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Ed J, if you believe that Jesus has already returned, then when he does return, will you join the armies of the world and attack him thinking he is your enemy?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 03 2013,13:41) Ed, 1 Corinthians 11:26
For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes.1 Corinthians 15:23
But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.1 Thessalonians 2:19
For what is our hope, our joy, or the crown in which we will glory in the presence of our Lord Jesus when he comes? Is it not you?1 Thessalonians 3:13
May he strengthen your hearts so that you will be blameless and holy in the presence of our God and Father when our Lord Jesus comes with all his holy ones.Are you seeing a pattern?
Good one Mikeboll.
He will only come at the last trump.wakeup.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 03 2013,13:41) Ed, 1 Corinthians 11:26
For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes.1 Corinthians 15:23
But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.1 Thessalonians 2:19
For what is our hope, our joy, or the crown in which we will glory in the presence of our Lord Jesus when he comes? Is it not you?1 Thessalonians 3:13
May he strengthen your hearts so that you will be blameless and holy in the presence of our God and Father when our Lord Jesus comes with all his holy ones.Are you seeing a pattern?
Hi Mike,I SURE DO Mike! Here's the pattern I see:
1. People read man's corrupted versions of “The Bible.”
2. People then post man's corrupt versions of “The Bible.”
3. People acquire many misconceptions based on these facts.
4. And endlessly argue with others based on their misconceptions.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Reason for edit: GrammarQuote (t8 @ June 03 2013,15:18) Ed J, if you believe that Jesus has already returned, then when he does return, will you join the armies of the world and attack him thinking he is your enemy?
Why don't you start another useless thread in “The Hot Seat” and ask me
this useless question “there” – dictating I choose from one of three answers?
What's your answer to my question? “Yes”, “No”, or “I don't know”?Mike,
Quote WRONG! Paul did NOT say anything at all about this man's body being flesh, Kerwin. He does many times teach how our bodies will be TRANSFORMED from flesh to spiritual. So his comment means that he doesn't know whether this man (most commentators think “the man” was Paul himself) actually had his body transformed into a spiritual body, and was then taken to heaven………. OR if all the things the man saw were simply visions in his head as he himself remained in his flesh body on earth. Ie: He doesn't know whether he was PHYSICALLY there (in a body other than flesh), or if it was all a vision in his head.
Nice device that allows you to keep your paradigm alive. Basically Paul’s choice to use the generic body instead of more precise flesh leaves enough wiggle room that you can pick spiritual instead of the implied flesh just like you make the vague spiritual mean non-physical instead of Spiritual. So you want others to believe a mortal man is made immortal in order to enter heaven and then made mortal on his return to earth. I find that idea absurd.
Quote There is NO such thing as “spiritual flesh”, Kerwin. The words spiritual and soulish seem to be easier for you to understand when they are not describing the body. For example 1 Corinthians 2:14-15 where I doubt interpret spiritual to be non-physical. I believe you interpret it Spiritual at the same time you interpret natural as worldly. Those interpretations do not fit your paradigm so you throw them away and invent new ones that do.
Quote Spirit and flesh are always at odds with each other in the scriptures. They are always antonyms. So the entire premise of your made up claim of “spiritual flesh” is flawed right from the jump. The vast majority of Scripture covers a time when the Spirit strives against the flesh but it was not like that in the beginning as before adam ate of the tree they would not die, Genesis 2:17. Death occurs when God is through having his Spirit striving against the flesh, Genesis 6:3. The immortal body was created by God and sin changed it to the mortal body.
Quote Now I'm going to try this one more time from a simple angle – one you should be able to comprehend: John 3
Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.”4 “How can someone be born when they are old?” Nicodemus asked. “Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mother’s womb to be born!”
5 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.
6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.
Here is an example when you miss the obvious. Nicodemus is asking if the flesh needs to born of flesh a second time. Jesus is answering him. He is teaching of the renewal of the spirit of the mind, Ephesians 4:23.
Quote 1. WHAT, according to Jesus, gives birth to flesh? Flesh gives birth to flesh. God also makes it from the earth or from another’s flesh though Jesus does not say so, nor is it relevant to Nicodemus’s question.
Quote 2. And can those who ARE born of flesh enter the kingdom of God? Yes.
Quote 3. Or must those who are born of flesh be born AGAIN – of something OTHER THAN flesh – in order to enter the kingdom of God? The spirit of the mind must be born again.
Quote 4. And what does spirit give birth to? Does it say “spiritual FLESH”? Or does it say “spirit”? The Spirit gives birth to the spirit of the mind.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 03 2013,06:27) Quote (kerwin @ June 02 2013,17:19) Mike, I answered honestly but I chose to make it less vague than what you wanted to hear.
Actually Kerwin, as is par for you, you chose to make things way more CONFUSING and MUMBLED than they ever needed to be.Quote God is not created.
All bodies are created because bodies occupy space.
All beings are created. God is the exception.All bodies are created. God's is the exception.
(And not that I think you even have the foggiest idea about bodies and space, I will indulge you……….)
All bodies occupy space. God's is the exception.
Now can you see it, Kerwin? If God is the exception to SO MANY general claims about everyone else, then why can't He also be the exception to the claim, “All bodies are created” ?
There is no good answer you can give, Kerwin……….. so just let it go. You are making claims that you simply have no idea about. Paul said Jesus was existing in the form of God. I believe Paul, and you don't. That's the long and short of it.
Mike,Quote All bodies occupy space. God's is the exception. What I am hearing is that you are claiming God's body does not actually exist but is an ideal.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 03 2013,02:17) Kerwin, Genesis 6
1 When men began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them,2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose.
In verse 1, who is included in the word “men”? Only Cain's line? Or does it mean men IN GENERAL?
Mike,This is the best argument supporting the the hypothesis that sons of God are the angel kind.
It is plausible that adam are the sons of Cain, whose numbers are growing larger while Seth's line is growing weaker due to intermarriage.
Quote (Ed J @ June 03 2013,13:50) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 03 2013,13:41) Ed, 1 Corinthians 11:26
For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes.1 Corinthians 15:23
But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.1 Thessalonians 2:19
For what is our hope, our joy, or the crown in which we will glory in the presence of our Lord Jesus when he comes? Is it not you?1 Thessalonians 3:13
May he strengthen your hearts so that you will be blameless and holy in the presence of our God and Father when our Lord Jesus comes with all his holy ones.Are you seeing a pattern?
Hi Mike,I SURE DO Mike! Here's the pattern I see:
1. People read man's corrupted versions of “The Bible.”
2. People then post man's corrupt versions of “The Bible.”
3. People acquire many misconceptions based on these facts.
4. And endlessly argue with others based on their misconceptions.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Reason for edit: Grammar
EDJbut you answer scriptures with your personal opinions ;
this is making you the judge of God's word ,
Quote (kerwin @ June 03 2013,17:05) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 03 2013,06:27) Quote (kerwin @ June 02 2013,17:19) Mike, I answered honestly but I chose to make it less vague than what you wanted to hear.
Actually Kerwin, as is par for you, you chose to make things way more CONFUSING and MUMBLED than they ever needed to be.Quote God is not created.
All bodies are created because bodies occupy space.
All beings are created. God is the exception.All bodies are created. God's is the exception.
(And not that I think you even have the foggiest idea about bodies and space, I will indulge you……….)
All bodies occupy space. God's is the exception.
Now can you see it, Kerwin? If God is the exception to SO MANY general claims about everyone else, then why can't He also be the exception to the claim, “All bodies are created” ?
There is no good answer you can give, Kerwin……….. so just let it go. You are making claims that you simply have no idea about. Paul said Jesus was existing in the form of God. I believe Paul, and you don't. That's the long and short of it.
Mike,Quote All bodies occupy space. God's is the exception. What I am hearing is that you are claiming God's body does not actually exist but is an ideal.
KerwinQuote What I am hearing is that you are claiming God's body does not actually exist but is an ideal. how do you come to that conclusion
because I can not see that at all
Quote (terraricca @ June 04 2013,01:30) Quote (Ed J @ June 03 2013,13:50) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 03 2013,13:41) Ed, 1 Corinthians 11:26
For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes.1 Corinthians 15:23
But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.1 Thessalonians 2:19
For what is our hope, our joy, or the crown in which we will glory in the presence of our Lord Jesus when he comes? Is it not you?1 Thessalonians 3:13
May he strengthen your hearts so that you will be blameless and holy in the presence of our God and Father when our Lord Jesus comes with all his holy ones.Are you seeing a pattern?
Hi Mike,I SURE DO Mike! Here's the pattern I see:
1. People read man's corrupted versions of “The Bible.”
2. People then post man's corrupt versions of “The Bible.”
3. People acquire many misconceptions based on these facts.
4. And endlessly argue with others based on their misconceptions.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDJbut you answer scriptures with your personal opinions ;
this is making you the judge of God's word ,
NO Pierre, I have told you the truth, and you do not accept the truth.I don't respond to you much because of the foul stuff that comes out of your mouth.
“That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man. For from within,
out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts” (Mark 7:20-21)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (terraricca @ June 03 2013,00:05) Quote (Ed J @ June 02 2013,12:11) (This quote was taken from here) “For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is
neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.” (Gal 3:27-28)
EDJGal 3:27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.
THEIR ARE TWO THINGS HERE THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR THE FOLLOWING TO TAKE PLACE ;1) BAPTIZED IN CHRIST (SUBMERGED IN THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOD AND CHRIST HIS SON)
2) HAVE CLOTHED OUR SELF WITH IT ;MEANING ;HAVE MADE GOD AND HIS SON WAYS ,OURS, AND MEANING BECOMING LIKE CHRIST AS A MEN AND SO BECOME SPIRITUAL IN VIEW,AND ACTIONS ,LIVING NOT WITH THIS WORLD BUT FOR GOD'S NEW KINGDOM ,
FAILING TO DO SO ,THE FOLLOWING VERSE OF PAUL CANNOT APPLY TO YOU BECAUSE YOU HAVE FAILED TO DO THE BASIC NEEDS OF THE FAITH HE TALK'S ABOUT
Hi Pierre,Here is yet another example of your *foul trash mouth* at work.
*Note to all, please also read my last post to Pierre also to see why I use Gene's words.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ June 03 2013,06:03) Quote (kerwin @ June 01 2013,18:26) In 2 Corinthians Paul declares he is not sure whether flesh did not enter heaven while previously he was sure flesh and blood could not inherit the kingdom of God.
WRONG! Paul did NOT say anything at all about this man's body being flesh, Kerwin. He does many times teach how our bodies will be TRANSFORMED from flesh to spiritual.So his comment means that he doesn't know whether this man (most commentators think “the man” was Paul himself) actually had his body transformed into a spiritual body, and was then taken to heaven………. OR if all the things the man saw were simply visions in his head as he himself remained in his flesh body on earth. Ie: He doesn't know whether he was PHYSICALLY there (in a body other than flesh), or if it was all a vision in his head.
I pray that some day God opens your eyes to see what you do on a daily basis. You fixate on what you WANT the scriptures to teach, and then go to absurd and nonsensical lengths to convince other people that the scriptures actually teach this nonsense you've invented.
There is NO such thing as “spiritual flesh”, Kerwin. Spirit and flesh are always at odds with each other in the scriptures. They are always antonyms. So the entire premise of your made up claim of “spiritual flesh” is flawed right from the jump. Yet you can't see this. And do you know WHY you can't see it? Let me tell you:
1. You WANT Jesus to have been nothing but a human being, and so twist many scriptures to force them into teaching this desire of yours.
2. You WANT Jesus (for some very odd reason) to REMAIN the one and only flesh being who sells in the completely spiritual realm of heaven, and so have INVENTED a thing called “spiritual flesh” so your desire can be fulfilled in your own mind.
Kerwin, both of these are not only very odd, but they are completely unscriptural.
There are at least 50 scriptures that speak of the pre-existence of Jesus, yet any sensible person should be able to figure it out with just two:
1. Phil 2 CLEARLY says Jesus WAS existing in the form of God, but then emptied himself and was made in the likeness of a human being. And what is YOUR take on this? You oddly imagine that Jesus was already a human being before he was “made into the likeness of a human being”. What?
2. John 1 CLEARLY describes Jesus as the one called “the Word”, and CLEARLY says that this particular Word who was with God in the beginning became flesh and dwelled on earth with the glory of God's only begotten Son. For Christ's sake, Kerwin, John even goes as far as to illustrate how John the Baptist came to testify about this very Word – and we know from many CLEAR scriptures that John the Baptist was sent to testify about NONE OTHER THAN Jesus Christ.
But you don't WANT this to be what the scriptures teach, and so you have INVENTED a “Holy Spirit Son of God” who somehow “became flesh” and was the one John the Baptist testified about. What?
I have been arguing about the trinity and related issues with Kathi for over three years on this site. And although it's painfully clear that she often must read things into the scriptures for her own dream to be fulfilled, she is at least using SCRIPTURES! But not you. You INVENT crap that isn't even IN any scripture…… like “spiritual flesh” and a “Holy Spirit Son of God”.
Look, I have recently walked away from jammin because it is always the same old UNSCRIPTURAL crap coming out of his mouth. He searches high and low for purposely flawed translations that say what he WANTS the scriptures to say, and then presents them to us as if they are some kind of “proof” or something. And when we point out that the Greek or Hebrew text doesn't even say what his translators wrote, it's like we're talking to a brick wall, and he can't hear us.
It has become the same with you. Like jammin's translators, you have taken up INVENTING your own words and theories that you think the scriptures SHOULD BE teaching, and then throw those made up theories at us as if they are some kind of “proof” or something. But just like in the case of jammin's twisted translations, they are NOT proof of anything – except how far you are willing to go to make the scriptures teach what you WANT them to teach.
Now I'm going to try this one more time from a simple angle – one you should be able to comprehend:
John 3
Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.”4 “How can someone be born when they are old?” Nicodemus asked. “Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mother’s womb to be born!”
I5 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.
6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.
1. WHAT, according to Jesus, gives birth to flesh?
2. And can those who ARE born of flesh enter the kingdom of God?
3. Or must those who are born of flesh be born AGAIN – of something OTHER THAN flesh – in order to enter the kingdom of God?
4. And what does spirit give birth to? Does it say “spiritual FLESH”? Or does it say “spirit”?
Think long and hard on these things, Kerwin. I will most likely not be addressing any more of your posts unless they have a shred of scriptural support. I've simply grown tired of scripturally fighting against man's invented doctrines. When you are able to show SCRIPTURES for your claims, I might again become interested in discussing them.
You are kidding me right?
Mike, I am sorry to be the one to break it to you, but most people would laugh at your desperate attempts to avoid the obvious scriptures presented to you.
Trinitarians, Oneness believers and even Muslims and Jews could all agree in part to what we are saying (just google spirit christology).What could you do with all of the verses, nay ,whole chapters which were presented to you from the start if this thread?
Avoid them all!EDJ
Quote NO Pierre, I have told you the truth, and you do not accept the truth. I don't respond to you much because of the foul stuff that comes out of your mouth.
“That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man. For from within,
out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts” (Mark 7:20-21)may God give you in return as per your own words .
Quote (2besee @ June 04 2013,03:39) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 03 2013,06:03) Quote (kerwin @ June 01 2013,18:26) In 2 Corinthians Paul declares he is not sure whether flesh did not enter heaven while previously he was sure flesh and blood could not inherit the kingdom of God.
WRONG! Paul did NOT say anything at all about this man's body being flesh, Kerwin. He does many times teach how our bodies will be TRANSFORMED from flesh to spiritual.So his comment means that he doesn't know whether this man (most commentators think “the man” was Paul himself) actually had his body transformed into a spiritual body, and was then taken to heaven………. OR if all the things the man saw were simply visions in his head as he himself remained in his flesh body on earth. Ie: He doesn't know whether he was PHYSICALLY there (in a body other than flesh), or if it was all a vision in his head.
I pray that some day God opens your eyes to see what you do on a daily basis. You fixate on what you WANT the scriptures to teach, and then go to absurd and nonsensical lengths to convince other people that the scriptures actually teach this nonsense you've invented.
There is NO such thing as “spiritual flesh”, Kerwin. Spirit and flesh are always at odds with each other in the scriptures. They are always antonyms. So the entire premise of your made up claim of “spiritual flesh” is flawed right from the jump. Yet you can't see this. And do you know WHY you can't see it? Let me tell you:
1. You WANT Jesus to have been nothing but a human being, and so twist many scriptures to force them into teaching this desire of yours.
2. You WANT Jesus (for some very odd reason) to REMAIN the one and only flesh being who sells in the completely spiritual realm of heaven, and so have INVENTED a thing called “spiritual flesh” so your desire can be fulfilled in your own mind.
Kerwin, both of these are not only very odd, but they are completely unscriptural.
There are at least 50 scriptures that speak of the pre-existence of Jesus, yet any sensible person should be able to figure it out with just two:
1. Phil 2 CLEARLY says Jesus WAS existing in the form of God, but then emptied himself and was made in the likeness of a human being. And what is YOUR take on this? You oddly imagine that Jesus was already a human being before he was “made into the likeness of a human being”. What?
2. John 1 CLEARLY describes Jesus as the one called “the Word”, and CLEARLY says that this particular Word who was with God in the beginning became flesh and dwelled on earth with the glory of God's only begotten Son. For Christ's sake, Kerwin, John even goes as far as to illustrate how John the Baptist came to testify about this very Word – and we know from many CLEAR scriptures that John the Baptist was sent to testify about NONE OTHER THAN Jesus Christ.
But you don't WANT this to be what the scriptures teach, and so you have INVENTED a “Holy Spirit Son of God” who somehow “became flesh” and was the one John the Baptist testified about. What?
I have been arguing about the trinity and related issues with Kathi for over three years on this site. And although it's painfully clear that she often must read things into the scriptures for her own dream to be fulfilled, she is at least using SCRIPTURES! But not you. You INVENT crap that isn't even IN any scripture…… like “spiritual flesh” and a “Holy Spirit Son of God”.
Look, I have recently walked away from jammin because it is always the same old UNSCRIPTURAL crap coming out of his mouth. He searches high and low for purposely flawed translations that say what he WANTS the scriptures to say, and then presents them to us as if they are some kind of “proof” or something. And when we point out that the Greek or Hebrew text doesn't even say what his translators wrote, it's like we're talking to a brick wall, and he can't hear us.
It has become the same with you. Like jammin's translators, you have taken up INVENTING your own words and theories that you think the scriptures SHOULD BE teaching, and then throw those made up theories at us as if they are some kind of “proof” or something. But just like in the case of jammin's twisted translations, they are NOT proof of anything – except how far you are willing to go to make the scriptures teach what you WANT them to teach.
Now I'm going to try this one more time from a simple angle – one you should be able to comprehend:
John 3
Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.”4 “How can someone be born when they are old?” Nicodemus asked. “Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mother’s womb to be born!”
I5 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.
6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.
1. WHAT, according to Jesus, gives birth to flesh?
2. And can those who ARE born of flesh enter the kingdom of God?
3. Or must those who are born of flesh be born AGAIN – of something OTHER THAN flesh – in order to enter the kingdom of God?
4. And what does spirit give birth to? Does it say “spiritual FLESH”? Or does it say “spirit”?
Think long and hard on these things, Kerwin. I will most likely not be addressing any more of your posts unless they have a shred of scriptural support. I've simply grown tired of scripturally fighting against man's invented doctrines. When you are able to show SCRIPTURES for your claims, I might again become interested in discussing them.
You are kidding me right?
Mike, I am sorry to be the one to break it to you, but most people would laugh at your desperate attempts to avoid the obvious scriptures presented to you.
Trinitarians, Oneness believers and even Muslims and Jews could all agree in part to what we are saying (just google spirit christology).What could you do with all of the verses, nay ,whole chapters which were presented to you from the start if this thread?
Avoid them all!
2beeso you agree that your info is not taken out the scriptures but out of the mouth of men that have chew it up for you ???yes
Quote (Ed J @ June 03 2013,21:31) Quote (terraricca @ June 03 2013,00:05) Quote (Ed J @ June 02 2013,12:11) (This quote was taken from here) “For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is
neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.” (Gal 3:27-28)
EDJGal 3:27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.
THEIR ARE TWO THINGS HERE THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR THE FOLLOWING TO TAKE PLACE ;1) BAPTIZED IN CHRIST (SUBMERGED IN THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOD AND CHRIST HIS SON)
2) HAVE CLOTHED OUR SELF WITH IT ;MEANING ;HAVE MADE GOD AND HIS SON WAYS ,OURS, AND MEANING BECOMING LIKE CHRIST AS A MEN AND SO BECOME SPIRITUAL IN VIEW,AND ACTIONS ,LIVING NOT WITH THIS WORLD BUT FOR GOD'S NEW KINGDOM ,
FAILING TO DO SO ,THE FOLLOWING VERSE OF PAUL CANNOT APPLY TO YOU BECAUSE YOU HAVE FAILED TO DO THE BASIC NEEDS OF THE FAITH HE TALK'S ABOUT
Hi Pierre,Here is yet another example of your *foul trash mouth* at work.
*Note to all, please also read my last post to Pierre also to see why I use Gene's words.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjcould you produce one single scripture that is true in its context that disagree with what i have said
if you cannot do that ,then why are you calling me a FOOL
Quote so you agree that your info is not taken out the scriptures but out of the mouth of men that have chew it up for you ???yes T,
Cursed is he who follows man. I went to God.Quote (2besee @ June 03 2013,13:39) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 03 2013,06:03) Quote (kerwin @ June 01 2013,18:26) In 2 Corinthians Paul declares he is not sure whether flesh did not enter heaven while previously he was sure flesh and blood could not inherit the kingdom of God.
WRONG! Paul did NOT say anything at all about this man's body being flesh, Kerwin. He does many times teach how our bodies will be TRANSFORMED from flesh to spiritual.So his comment means that he doesn't know whether this man (most commentators think “the man” was Paul himself) actually had his body transformed into a spiritual body, and was then taken to heaven………. OR if all the things the man saw were simply visions in his head as he himself remained in his flesh body on earth. Ie: He doesn't know whether he was PHYSICALLY there (in a body other than flesh), or if it was all a vision in his head.
I pray that some day God opens your eyes to see what you do on a daily basis. You fixate on what you WANT the scriptures to teach, and then go to absurd and nonsensical lengths to convince other people that the scriptures actually teach this nonsense you've invented.
There is NO such thing as “spiritual flesh”, Kerwin. Spirit and flesh are always at odds with each other in the scriptures. They are always antonyms. So the entire premise of your made up claim of “spiritual flesh” is flawed right from the jump. Yet you can't see this. And do you know WHY you can't see it? Let me tell you:
1. You WANT Jesus to have been nothing but a human being, and so twist many scriptures to force them into teaching this desire of yours.
2. You WANT Jesus (for some very odd reason) to REMAIN the one and only flesh being who sells in the completely spiritual realm of heaven, and so have INVENTED a thing called “spiritual flesh” so your desire can be fulfilled in your own mind.
Kerwin, both of these are not only very odd, but they are completely unscriptural.
There are at least 50 scriptures that speak of the pre-existence of Jesus, yet any sensible person should be able to figure it out with just two:
1. Phil 2 CLEARLY says Jesus WAS existing in the form of God, but then emptied himself and was made in the likeness of a human being. And what is YOUR take on this? You oddly imagine that Jesus was already a human being before he was “made into the likeness of a human being”. What?
2. John 1 CLEARLY describes Jesus as the one called “the Word”, and CLEARLY says that this particular Word who was with God in the beginning became flesh and dwelled on earth with the glory of God's only begotten Son. For Christ's sake, Kerwin, John even goes as far as to illustrate how John the Baptist came to testify about this very Word – and we know from many CLEAR scriptures that John the Baptist was sent to testify about NONE OTHER THAN Jesus Christ.
But you don't WANT this to be what the scriptures teach, and so you have INVENTED a “Holy Spirit Son of God” who somehow “became flesh” and was the one John the Baptist testified about. What?
I have been arguing about the trinity and related issues with Kathi for over three years on this site. And although it's painfully clear that she often must read things into the scriptures for her own dream to be fulfilled, she is at least using SCRIPTURES! But not you. You INVENT crap that isn't even IN any scripture…… like “spiritual flesh” and a “Holy Spirit Son of God”.
Look, I have recently walked away from jammin because it is always the same old UNSCRIPTURAL crap coming out of his mouth. He searches high and low for purposely flawed translations that say what he WANTS the scriptures to say, and then presents them to us as if they are some kind of “proof” or something. And when we point out that the Greek or Hebrew text doesn't even say what his translators wrote, it's like we're talking to a brick wall, and he can't hear us.
It has become the same with you. Like jammin's translators, you have taken up INVENTING your own words and theories that you think the scriptures SHOULD BE teaching, and then throw those made up theories at us as if they are some kind of “proof” or something. But just like in the case of jammin's twisted translations, they are NOT proof of anything – except how far you are willing to go to make the scriptures teach what you WANT them to teach.
Now I'm going to try this one more time from a simple angle – one you should be able to comprehend:
John 3
Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.”4 “How can someone be born when they are old?” Nicodemus asked. “Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mother’s womb to be born!”
I5 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.
6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.
1. WHAT, according to Jesus, gives birth to flesh?
2. And can those who ARE born of flesh enter the kingdom of God?
3. Or must those who are born of flesh be born AGAIN – of something OTHER THAN flesh – in order to enter the kingdom of God?
4. And what does spirit give birth to? Does it say “spiritual FLESH”? Or does it say “spirit”?
Think long and hard on these things, Kerwin. I will most likely not be addressing any more of your posts unless they have a shred of scriptural support. I've simply grown tired of scripturally fighting against man's invented doctrines. When you are able to show SCRIPTURES for your claims, I might again become interested in discussing them.
You are kidding me right?
Mike, I am sorry to be the one to break it to you, but most people would laugh at your desperate attempts to avoid the obvious scriptures presented to you.
Trinitarians, Oneness believers and even Muslims and Jews could all agree in part to what we are saying (just google spirit christology).What could you do with all of the verses, nay ,whole chapters which were presented to you from the start if this thread?
Avoid them all!
Hi 2b,Amen.
Peace brother.
Quote (terraricca @ June 04 2013,08:41) EDJ Quote NO Pierre, I have told you the truth, and you do not accept the truth. I don't respond to you much because of the foul stuff that comes out of your mouth.
“That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man. For from within,
out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts” (Mark 7:20-21)may God give you in return as per your own words .
That's easy, you can accomplish that! …don't respond much to me than EITHER!
Quote (terraricca @ June 04 2013,08:48) Quote (Ed J @ June 03 2013,21:31) Quote (terraricca @ June 03 2013,00:05) Quote (Ed J @ June 02 2013,12:11) (This quote was taken from here) “For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is
neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.” (Gal 3:27-28)
EDJGal 3:27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.
THEIR ARE TWO THINGS HERE THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR THE FOLLOWING TO TAKE PLACE ;1) BAPTIZED IN CHRIST (SUBMERGED IN THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOD AND CHRIST HIS SON)
2) HAVE CLOTHED OUR SELF WITH IT ;MEANING ;HAVE MADE GOD AND HIS SON WAYS ,OURS, AND MEANING BECOMING LIKE CHRIST AS A MEN AND SO BECOME SPIRITUAL IN VIEW,AND ACTIONS ,LIVING NOT WITH THIS WORLD BUT FOR GOD'S NEW KINGDOM ,
FAILING TO DO SO ,THE FOLLOWING VERSE OF PAUL CANNOT APPLY TO YOU BECAUSE YOU HAVE FAILED TO DO THE BASIC NEEDS OF THE FAITH HE TALK'S ABOUT
Hi Pierre,Here is yet another example of your *foul trash mouth* at work.
*Note to all, please also read my last post to Pierre also to see why I use Gene's words.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjcould you produce one single scripture that is true in its context that disagree with what i have said
if you cannot do that ,then why are you calling me a FOOL
Sure,“ye are even my witnesses.
Is there 'a God' beside me? yea,
there is 'no God; I know not any.” (Isa 44:8)
You are a big boy, and you can look-up the context up yourself! (Acts 17:11)I said: “your FOUL trash mouth”, STOP FALSELY ACCUSING ME!
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