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Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 16 2013,04:03) Quote (kerwin @ May 14 2013,12:57) Mike, There was the line of Seth and the line of Cain at that time.
Which line showed they were not mere men by calling on the name of the Lord?
Genesis 6
1 When human beings began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose.Kerwin, the bolded words above are both the generic form of “adam”, meaning “humankind”……… according to NETNotes.
These “sons of God” are distinguished from “humankind”. It is evident from the context that these are beings other than “humankind”, who thought the daughters of “humankind” were good looking.
In your understanding, the human offspring of Seth all a sudden discovered that human women were good looking, and started having sex with them.
The whole ordeal is outlined in the Book of Enoch, right?
Tell me, what scriptural reason do you offer for any of us NOT to believe it was spirit beings who went unto the daughters of human beings?
Mike,Deuteronomy 14:1
King James Version (KJV)14 Ye are the children of the Lord your God: ye shall not cut yourselves, nor make any baldness between your eyes for the dead.
Who does God say are the sons and daughters of God in this verse?
Who are not the son's and daughters of God?
What are they called?
Psalm 82:6-7
King James Version (KJV)6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.I have already introduced a later scripture,1 Corinthians 3:3 that spoke of those humans that were not God's children as humans.
So the children of Israel are the children of God while the Gentile nations are humans(adam).
Later the believers are the children of God while unbelievers are human(adam).The question is if Seth's line is chosen of God while Cain's line is not.
Quote (kerwin @ May 15 2013,20:50) Mike, Ghosts are spirits.
So then angels are ghosts? How about the demons? Were these unclean spirits actually “ghosts”?God is a spirit, right? Is God a “ghost”?
Please expand on “Ghosts are spirits”.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 16 2013,08:52) Mike………Saying they “THOUGHT” they saw something, in no way means they Did See it or any evidence that a spirit “body” exists either. Jesus went on to tell them that he was NOT A SPIRIT, becasue He had “FLESH and BONE” ,and Spirt do not have that,
Gene, they THOUGHT they saw a SPIRIT. Now according to you (the resident expert on spirits), they THOUGHT they saw a “cognate intelligence that was IN someone”.Is that what they THOUGHT they saw, Gene? If not, then what did they think they were seeing?
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 16 2013,08:52) So much for the resurection being Just a Sprit “body” of some kind , Right?.
I agree that Jesus was resurrected in the same body in which he died – complete with the holes and scars.But we know that flesh cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor can flesh enter the kingdom of heaven.
We also know that not all of us will taste death, but some will instead have their bodies transformed into a glorious NEW body like the one Jesus now has. (Phil 3:21)
So while it is SCRIPTURALLY evident that Jesus was NOT a spirit for those 40 days on earth after the resurrection, it is just as SCRIPTURALLY evident that he is NOW a spirit in heaven. (1 Cor 15:45 says exactly that.)
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 16 2013,09:12) Eze 37:5……>Thus says the Lord God unto these “bones”; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and you shall live: (6) And I will lay “SINEWS” upon you, and will bring up “FLESH” upon you, and cover you with “SKIN” and put “BREATH” in you and you shall Live; and you shall know I am the LORD.
Gene, Ezekiel 37:1-14 is NOT about the resurrection. Nor does it even come close to matching what Paul taught in 1 Corinthians 15.In the Ezekiel passage you quoted, God is reassuring Israel that they will “live” again. They were thinking God had completely abandoned them. They were saying, We're as good as dead – you might as well bury us in our graves.
And God was saying that although it might LOOK like that right now, the day is coming when I'll raise you up out of those metaphorical graves and breathe life back into you as a nation.
Quote (kerwin @ May 16 2013,14:12) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 16 2013,04:03) Quote (kerwin @ May 14 2013,12:57) Mike, There was the line of Seth and the line of Cain at that time.
Which line showed they were not mere men by calling on the name of the Lord?
Genesis 6
1 When human beings began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose.Kerwin, the bolded words above are both the generic form of “adam”, meaning “humankind”……… according to NETNotes.
These “sons of God” are distinguished from “humankind”. It is evident from the context that these are beings other than “humankind”, who thought the daughters of “humankind” were good looking.
In your understanding, the human offspring of Seth all a sudden discovered that human women were good looking, and started having sex with them.
The whole ordeal is outlined in the Book of Enoch, right?
Tell me, what scriptural reason do you offer for any of us NOT to believe it was spirit beings who went unto the daughters of human beings?
Mike,Deuteronomy 14:1
King James Version (KJV)14 Ye are the children of the Lord your God: ye shall not cut yourselves, nor make any baldness between your eyes for the dead.
Who does God say are the sons and daughters of God in this verse?
Who are not the son's and daughters of God?
What are they called?
Psalm 82:6-7
King James Version (KJV)6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.I have already introduced a later scripture,1 Corinthians 3:3 that spoke of those humans that were not God's children as humans.
So the children of Israel are the children of God while the Gentile nations are humans(adam).
Later the believers are the children of God while unbelievers are human(adam).The question is if Seth's line is chosen of God while Cain's line is not.
That entire post is nonsense, Kerwin. First of all, you quoted a verse where the nation of Israel was called the children of God.This was LONG after Seth, LONG after Noah, LONG after Abraham, and even LONG after Israel himself.
Which scripture allows for you to take this verse from 1000's of years later, and apply it BACK to Seth and his offspring? Wasn't it also the offspring of Seth that God regretted making? Or was that only the offspring of Cain?
If God had only flooded the offspring of Cain, and not the offspring of Seth, then PERHAPS your claim would have the slightest inkling of merit. But even then, it wouldn't be the most OBVIOUS and SENSIBLE understanding of the words in Gen 6:2 and 6:4.
Psalm 82 that you listed should also be a hint for you. Once again, the sons of God are distinguished from “adam”. So once again, this should tell you that this psalm is addressed to the divine heavenly counsel. What sense would it make to tell a man who was bound to die anyway, “You will die like a man”?
You've implied that since the children of Israel are called the children of God, they are NOT considered to be “human beings”. What?
Where do you come up with this stuff?Malachi 2:10
Do we not all have one Father? Did not one God create us?Kerwin, did God create ONLY Seth – and not Cain? Did God create ONLY Israel – and not the other nations?
The one who created us all is our Father. Therefore we are all His children. And just like with normal human children, some of God's children behave, and others don't. The ones that don't behave don't stop being the children of their father, right?
You mentioned 1 Cor 3? Here it is:
3:1 So, brothers and sisters, 1 I could not speak to you as spiritual people, but instead as people of the flesh, 2 as infants in Christ.
3:2 I fed you milk, 3 not solid food, for you were not yet ready. In fact, you are still not ready,
3:3 for you are still influenced by the flesh. 4 For since there is still jealousy and dissension among you, are you not influenced by the flesh and behaving like unregenerate people? 5
3:4 For whenever someone says, “I am with Paul,” or “I am with Apollos,” are you not merely human? 6
Let's look at some of those footnotes. #2 says:
Grk “fleshly [people]”; the Greek term here is σαρκινόςThis does not mean true believers are no longer human beings, Kerwin.
#4 says:
Grk “fleshly.”
It is the same word as is used in verse 1.#5 says:
Grk “and walking in accordance with man,”So far, there is nothing to say “children of God” are no longer “adam”, “anthropos”, or “human beings”. But perhaps footnote #6 holds some hope for you:
Grk “are you not men,” i.e., (fallen) humanity without the Spirit’s influence. Here Paul does not say “walking in accordance with” as in the previous verse; he actually states the Corinthians are this. However, this is almost certainly rhetorical hyperbole.Now you can try to understand this to mean that true Christians are no longer “human beings”, Kerwin……… but you'd be dead wrong. We all must fight the urges of the flesh, and try to live according to the spirit. But we are all still human beings. We are all still “adam”.
So now that I've spent a lot of time addressing your comments, let's get down to the brass tacks of it all, okay?
Genesis 6
1 When human beings began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose.3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not remain in humans forever, for they are flesh; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.”
4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.
5 The Lord saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time. 6 The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled. 7 So the Lord said, “I will wipe from the face of the earth the human race I have created—and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground—for I regret that I have made them.”
Walk me through your unde
rstanding. Does this passage mean:When the offspring of Cain began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, 2 the offspring of Seth saw that the daughters of the offspring of Cain were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose.
3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not remain in the offspring of Cain forever, for they are flesh; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.”
4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the offspring of Seth went to the daughters of the offspring of Cain and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.
5 The Lord saw how great the wickedness of the offspring of Cain had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the hearts of the offspring of Cain was only evil all the time.
6 The Lord regretted that he had made the offspring of Cain on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled.
7 So the Lord said, “I will wipe from the face of the earth the offspring of Cain I have created—and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground—for I regret that I have made them.”
Is the blue version the way you understand it, Kerwin? If it is, then I have many questions……… but we can get to them one at a time in my next post.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 17 2013,06:00) Quote (kerwin @ May 16 2013,14:12) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 16 2013,04:03) Quote (kerwin @ May 14 2013,12:57) Mike, There was the line of Seth and the line of Cain at that time.
Which line showed they were not mere men by calling on the name of the Lord?
Genesis 6
1 When human beings began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose.Kerwin, the bolded words above are both the generic form of “adam”, meaning “humankind”……… according to NETNotes.
These “sons of God” are distinguished from “humankind”. It is evident from the context that these are beings other than “humankind”, who thought the daughters of “humankind” were good looking.
In your understanding, the human offspring of Seth all a sudden discovered that human women were good looking, and started having sex with them.
The whole ordeal is outlined in the Book of Enoch, right?
Tell me, what scriptural reason do you offer for any of us NOT to believe it was spirit beings who went unto the daughters of human beings?
Mike,Deuteronomy 14:1
King James Version (KJV)14 Ye are the children of the Lord your God: ye shall not cut yourselves, nor make any baldness between your eyes for the dead.
Who does God say are the sons and daughters of God in this verse?
Who are not the son's and daughters of God?
What are they called?
Psalm 82:6-7
King James Version (KJV)6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.I have already introduced a later scripture,1 Corinthians 3:3 that spoke of those humans that were not God's children as humans.
So the children of Israel are the children of God while the Gentile nations are humans(adam).
Later the believers are the children of God while unbelievers are human(adam).The question is if Seth's line is chosen of God while Cain's line is not.
That entire post is nonsense, Kerwin. First of all, you quoted a verse where the nation of Israel was called the children of God.This was LONG after Seth, LONG after Noah, LONG after Abraham, and even LONG after Israel himself.
Which scripture allows for you to take this verse from 1000's of years later, and apply it BACK to Seth and his offspring? Wasn't it also the offspring of Seth that God regretted making? Or was that only the offspring of Cain?
If God had only flooded the offspring of Cain, and not the offspring of Seth, then PERHAPS your claim would have the slightest inkling of merit. But even then, it wouldn't be the most OBVIOUS and SENSIBLE understanding of the words in Gen 6:2 and 6:4.
Psalm 82 that you listed should also be a hint for you. Once again, the sons of God are distinguished from “adam”. So once again, this should tell you that this psalm is addressed to the divine heavenly counsel. What sense would it make to tell a man who was bound to die anyway, “You will die like a man”?
You've implied that since the children of Israel are called the children of God, they are NOT considered to be “human beings”. What?
Where do you come up with this stuff?Malachi 2:10
Do we not all have one Father? Did not one God create us?Kerwin, did God create ONLY Seth – and not Cain? Did God create ONLY Israel – and not the other nations?
The one who created us all is our Father. Therefore we are all His children. And just like with normal human children, some of God's children behave, and others don't. The ones that don't behave don't stop being the children of their father, right?
You mentioned 1 Cor 3? Here it is:
3:1 So, brothers and sisters, 1 I could not speak to you as spiritual people, but instead as people of the flesh, 2 as infants in Christ.
3:2 I fed you milk, 3 not solid food, for you were not yet ready. In fact, you are still not ready,
3:3 for you are still influenced by the flesh. 4 For since there is still jealousy and dissension among you, are you not influenced by the flesh and behaving like unregenerate people? 5
3:4 For whenever someone says, “I am with Paul,” or “I am with Apollos,” are you not merely human? 6
Let's look at some of those footnotes. #2 says:
Grk “fleshly [people]”; the Greek term here is σαρκινόςThis does not mean true believers are no longer human beings, Kerwin.
#4 says:
Grk “fleshly.”
It is the same word as is used in verse 1.#5 says:
Grk “and walking in accordance with man,”So far, there is nothing to say “children of God” are no longer “adam”, “anthropos”, or “human beings”. But perhaps footnote #6 holds some hope for you:
Grk “are you not men,” i.e., (fallen) humanity without the Spirit’s influence. Here Paul does not say “walking in accordance with” as in the previous verse; he actually states the Corinthians are this. However, this is almost certainly rhetorical hyperbole.Now you can try to understand this to mean that true Christians are no longer “human beings”, Kerwin……… but you'd be dead wrong. We all must fight the urges of the flesh, and try to live according to the spirit. But we are all still human beings. We are all still “adam”.
So now that I've spent a lot of time addressing your comments, let's get down to the brass tacks of it all, okay?
Genesis 6
1 When human beings began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose.3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not remain in humans forever, for they are flesh; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.”
4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.
5 The Lord saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time. 6 The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled. 7 So the Lord said, “I will
wipe from the face of the earth the human race I have created—and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground—for I regret that I have made them.”Walk me through your understanding. Does this passage mean:
When the offspring of Cain began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, 2 the offspring of Seth saw that the daughters of the offspring of Cain were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose.
3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not remain in the offspring of Cain forever, for they are flesh; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.”
4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the offspring of Seth went to the daughters of the offspring of Cain and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.
5 The Lord saw how great the wickedness of the offspring of Cain had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the hearts of the offspring of Cain was only evil all the time.
6 The Lord regretted that he had made the offspring of Cain on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled.
7 So the Lord said, “I will wipe from the face of the earth the offspring of Cain I have created—and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground—for I regret that I have made them.”
Is the blue version the way you understand it, Kerwin? If it is, then I have many questions……… but we can get to them one at a time in my next post.
Mike,That is a long post. As far as I know Job took place after Deuteronomy and it is the only place angels are clearly called sons of God. Angels are called by other things in the five books. There is no evidence that the Hebrews were the first ones called the children of God. We are going by types and types appear throughout history.
Being a child of God succeeds being a child of Adam but it does not eliminate it. Man(adam) is sinful man and as God said, of those who he later called his children, you will die like men and so in the days of Noah they did die with their siblings in sin. Only a remnant was rescued.
So one question when you see the word men is if it is men in general or sinful men that are being spoken of.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 17 2013,04:39) Quote (kerwin @ May 15 2013,20:50) Mike, Ghosts are spirits.
So then angels are ghosts? How about the demons? Were these unclean spirits actually “ghosts”?God is a spirit, right? Is God a “ghost”?
Please expand on “Ghosts are spirits”.
Mike,Ghosts have form but cannot be touched nor can they touch. Those characteristics are of the body.
Angels have form and can touch and be touched.
God has no form as he is not created. He uses instruments to do his touching and as it were to be touched.
Kerwin,
Moses was thought to have written Job. And from his present life in the wilderness, he was writing about a man who lived long before he did………. as I understand it.
Also, Psalm 82 was written by Asaph in the time of King David…………. WAY after the great flood of Noah's day. So the “sons of the Most High” in that psalm could not have been any of those who died in the flood.
Kerwin, I know my post was huge. And we can just forget most of it for now. But I really want you to read the blue Genesis translation, and tell me if that IS how you understand that passage.
It seems like that is what you're preaching, and so if that IS the way you understand the passage, just say so. Because I have a lot of one-at-a-time questions about that passage – if it is indeed the way you understand it.
Quote (kerwin @ May 16 2013,19:19) Ghosts have form but cannot be touched nor can they touch.
Where in scripture did you learn this?Quote (kerwin @ May 16 2013,19:19) God has no form as he is not created.
Where in scripture did you learn this one? Phil 2 says Jesus was existing in the form of God. How could that be if God has no form?Also, if God cannot be touched, and ghosts cannot be touched, is God a ghost? If not, why not?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 17 2013,09:56) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 16 2013,09:12) Eze 37:5……>Thus says the Lord God unto these “bones”; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and you shall live: (6) And I will lay “SINEWS” upon you, and will bring up “FLESH” upon you, and cover you with “SKIN” and put “BREATH” in you and you shall Live; and you shall know I am the LORD.
Gene, Ezekiel 37:1-14 is NOT about the resurrection. Nor does it even come close to matching what Paul taught in 1 Corinthians 15.In the Ezekiel passage you quoted, God is reassuring Israel that they will “live” again. They were thinking God had completely abandoned them. They were saying, We're as good as dead – you might as well bury us in our graves.
And God was saying that although it might LOOK like that right now, the day is coming when I'll raise you up out of those metaphorical graves and breathe life back into you as a nation.
Mike……My O My, how your mind must work to think God was not talking about a physical resurrection , this isn't another of God speaking none Emphatically things is it? He sure went into a lot of details about their bodies coming out of there graves and living again, even talking about their skeletal structure and sinew, and skin, and putting spirit back into them, to be making some other kind of point right?, MIKE.Mike why is it when God Speaks something, you say, he doesn't mean what he says ,or he means it differently, you do this about him saying he created everything by himself and alone, that, and where He said, there is no other God's, none but him. It's no wonder you have come up with all these physiological arguments all the time, trying to make something say what in fact it does not say, it's because you appear to not truly believe what is written the way it's written.
Well sorry you don't believe in a resurrection of actual physical bodies spiritually keep alive as Jesus now has. I will guarantee you this if you have occasion to see Jesus, you will be seeing a physical bodied person, Just like the body he was raised up with, when comes to rule this earth and every saint will have physical bodies ruling with him also.
What you got against physical bodies, I have no idea of, but God said they were good when he created them and put spirit into them. Spirits are not bodies of any kind Mike no matter how hard you try to make them be. You can not see spirit not now or in the future. IMO
Peace and love to you and yours……………………….gene
Gene,
Can you tell me in that Ezekiel passage where it says it is about the final resurrection of all people?
So it's not that I don't think GOD means what He says. It's more a matter of I rarely agree with YOUR understanding of what God has said. See the difference?
Also, I don't have anything against physical bodies. I have no reason to believe that the bodies of angels aren't physical – and I believe those who are raised to dwell in heaven will have bodies like those of heaven now have. I believe Paul speaks of these bodies in 1 Cor 15. I also believe Jesus now has one of these bodies.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 17 2013,07:26) Kerwin, Moses was thought to have written Job. And from his present life in the wilderness, he was writing about a man who lived long before he did………. as I understand it.
Also, Psalm 82 was written by Asaph in the time of King David…………. WAY after the great flood of Noah's day. So the “sons of the Most High” in that psalm could not have been any of those who died in the flood.
Kerwin, I know my post was huge. And we can just forget most of it for now. But I really want you to read the blue Genesis translation, and tell me if that IS how you understand that passage.
It seems like that is what you're preaching, and so if that IS the way you understand the passage, just say so. Because I have a lot of one-at-a-time questions about that passage – if it is indeed the way you understand it.
Mike,I am tired right now but I hope to look into it.
Mike,
This is what I understand.1 When humanity began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, 2 God’s human sons saw that noGod’s human daughters were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose.
3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not remain in humanity forever, for they are flesh; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.”
4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when God’s human sons went to noGod’s human daughters and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, males of renown.
5 The Lord saw how great the wickedness of humanity had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the humanity was only evil all the time.
6 The Lord regretted that he had made humanity on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled.
7 So the Lord said, “I will wipe from the face of the earth the humanity I have created—and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground—for I regret that I have made them.”
God’s parentage has precedence over humanity and noGod is a word I invented to speak of those, even atheist and agnostics, whose God is not Jehovah.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 17 2013,07:28) Quote (kerwin @ May 16 2013,19:19) Ghosts have form but cannot be touched nor can they touch.
Where in scripture did you learn this?Quote (kerwin @ May 16 2013,19:19) God has no form as he is not created.
Where in scripture did you learn this one? Phil 2 says Jesus was existing in the form of God. How could that be if God has no form?Also, if God cannot be touched, and ghosts cannot be touched, is God a ghost? If not, why not?
Mike,The apostles who saw Jesus and thought he was a ghost and Jesus' words and actions about touching him. The witch of Endor also saw a form. The disciple stated Rhoda probably saw Peter's messenger, a type of “ghost” sighting common to this day.
Mike,
Quote Where in scripture did you learn this one? Phil 2 says Jesus was existing in the form of God. How could that be if God has no form? Also, if God cannot be touched, and ghosts cannot be touched, is God a ghost? If not, why not?
Outward forms are a thing of creation. God created matter/energy or anything that serves the same purpose. There was no space or time before God set off the big bang. Outward forms require space to exist.
Quote (kerwin @ May 20 2013,11:58) Mike,
This is what I understand.1 When humanity began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, 2 God’s human sons saw that noGod’s human daughters were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose.
3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not remain in humanity forever, for they are flesh; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.”
4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when God’s human sons went to noGod’s human daughters and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, males of renown.
5 The Lord saw how great the wickedness of humanity had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the humanity was only evil all the time.
6 The Lord regretted that he had made humanity on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled.
7 So the Lord said, “I will wipe from the face of the earth the humanity I have created—and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground—for I regret that I have made them.”
God’s parentage has precedence over humanity and noGod is a word I invented to speak of those, even atheist and agnostics, whose God is not Jehovah.
kerwinQuote 3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not remain in humanity forever, for they are flesh; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.” what part of God's spirit was their to be removed
?Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 20 2013,10:09) Gene, Can you tell me in that Ezekiel passage where it says it is about the final resurrection of all people?
So it's not that I don't think GOD means what He says. It's more a matter of I rarely agree with YOUR understanding of what God has said. See the difference?
Also, I don't have anything against physical bodies. I have no reason to believe that the bodies of angels aren't physical – and I believe those who are raised to dwell in heaven will have bodies like those of heaven now have. I believe Paul speaks of these bodies in 1 Cor 15. I also believe Jesus now has one of these bodies.
Mike…….Eze 37:12…..> Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God, Behold, “O MY PEOPLE”, I will open “YOUR GRAVES” and cause you to come UP OUT OF YOUR GRAVES” and bring you into the land of Israel. (13) And you shall know I am the LORD, when i have opened “YOUR GRAVES”, O “MY PEOPLE”, and brought you “UP OUT OF YOUR GRAVES”, (14) And shall put “MY SPIRIT” in you, and you shall live in your “OWN LAND”, then you shall know that i the LORD have spoken it and “PERFORMED” it, says the LORD .Mike this is not Metaphoric language, you can try to change the wording and dance all around it all you want to, trying desperately to Philosophy your way out of this truth , but you are then going against clearly written Scriptures of a “PHYSICAL” RESURRECTION> IMO
Paul plainly said, “FOR WE ARE LOOKING FOR THE RESURECTION, THAT WILL WITTNESS , THE “REDEMPTION” OF OUR “BODIES”. Paul never spoke of a “SPIRIT BODY” but a Physical Body, SPRITUALLY ACTIVATED, A physical body keep alive by the Spirit of God in it, Just as Jesus has now. IMO
peace and love to you and yours………………..gene
Quote (kerwin @ May 20 2013,11:58) Mike,
This is what I understand.1 When humanity began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, 2 God’s human sons saw that noGod’s human daughters were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose.
3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not remain in humanity forever, for they are flesh; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.”
4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when God’s human sons went to noGod’s human daughters and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, males of renown.
5 The Lord saw how great the wickedness of humanity had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the humanity was only evil all the time.
6 The Lord regretted that he had made humanity on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled.
7 So the Lord said, “I will wipe from the face of the earth the humanity I have created—and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground—for I regret that I have made them.”
God’s parentage has precedence over humanity and noGod is a word I invented to speak of those, even atheist and agnostics, whose God is not Jehovah.
kerwinNKJV ©
Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.not humanity but man;for some man were found righteous in the eyes of God,
Quote (terraricca @ May 20 2013,20:06) Quote (kerwin @ May 20 2013,11:58) Mike,
This is what I understand.1 When humanity began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, 2 God’s human sons saw that noGod’s human daughters were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose.
3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not remain in humanity forever, for they are flesh; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.”
4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when God’s human sons went to noGod’s human daughters and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, males of renown.
5 The Lord saw how great the wickedness of humanity had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the humanity was only evil all the time.
6 The Lord regretted that he had made humanity on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled.
7 So the Lord said, “I will wipe from the face of the earth the humanity I have created—and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground—for I regret that I have made them.”
God’s parentage has precedence over humanity and noGod is a word I invented to speak of those, even atheist and agnostics, whose God is not Jehovah.
kerwinQuote 3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not remain in humanity forever, for they are flesh; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.” what part of God's spirit was their to be removed
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T,The breath of life.
Quote (terraricca @ May 20 2013,20:14) Quote (kerwin @ May 20 2013,11:58) Mike,
This is what I understand.1 When humanity began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, 2 God’s human sons saw that noGod’s human daughters were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose.
3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not remain in humanity forever, for they are flesh; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.”
4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when God’s human sons went to noGod’s human daughters and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, males of renown.
5 The Lord saw how great the wickedness of humanity had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the humanity was only evil all the time.
6 The Lord regretted that he had made humanity on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled.
7 So the Lord said, “I will wipe from the face of the earth the humanity I have created—and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground—for I regret that I have made them.”
God’s parentage has precedence over humanity and noGod is a word I invented to speak of those, even atheist and agnostics, whose God is not Jehovah.
kerwinNKJV ©
Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.not humanity but man;for some man were found righteous in the eyes of God,
T,You have a point there. I think it is a generalization but I could be mistaken.
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