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Quote (kerwin @ April 14 2013,13:39) T, I am showing you an example of the pattern that applies to 1) “Hope is God”, 2)“Love is God” and 3)“the Word is God”. These are three different but related concepts.
1. 1 Timothy 6:10
For the love of money is the root of all evil:Kerwin, is the “LOVE” of money “God”? It IS “love”, after all, right?
2. I have HOPE that the aliens who created us will come back for us again. Do I have “God”?
3. John 1:1
…..and the Word was with God……Something that IS “God” cannot also be WITH “God”. God cannot be WITH Himself, Kerwin.
Now, all three of your diversions have been SOLIDLY refuted. Please stop playing around, and answer the direct questions that are asked of you.
Quote (Ed J @ April 14 2013,20:46) Good post. The entirety “of what God is” was in Jesus,
but the entirety of what God is wasn't limited to Jesus;
because God also exists outside of Jesus – “A Paradox”.
Thanks Ed.I don't believe it is a paradox.
I agree with you that “the entirety of what God is wasn't limited to Jesus”.
I don't agree that “the entirety of what God is was in Jesus”.
If that latter statement was true, then Jesus would know everything God knows – including the day and the hour. And Jesus would be as powerful as his God – therefore not needing his God to place his enemies at his feet so that he can destroy them.
There are more examples, but this should give you the main gist.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 15 2013,13:59) Quote (Ed J @ April 14 2013,20:46) Good post. The entirety “of what God is” was in Jesus,
but the entirety of what God is wasn't limited to Jesus;
because God also exists outside of Jesus – “A Paradox”.
Thanks Ed.I don't believe it is a paradox.
I agree with you that “the entirety of what God is wasn't limited to Jesus”.
I don't agree that “the entirety of what God is was in Jesus”.
If that latter statement was true, then Jesus would know everything God knows – including the day and the hour. And Jesus would be as powerful as his God – therefore not needing his God to place his enemies at his feet so that he can destroy them.
There are more examples, but this should give you the main gist.
Thank you Mike.Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 15 2013,08:41) Quote (kerwin @ April 14 2013,12:18) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 14 2013,09:47) Quote (kerwin @ April 13 2013,15:13) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 13 2013,09:38)
14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the only begotten Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.1. If the Word was God Himself-Made-Flesh (as Kerwin's new kick dictates), why did this Word have the glory of an only begotten Son from the Father?
2. Wouldn't God Himself dwell on earth with the glory of GOD? Please explain.
Mike,In the beginning the Love was with the God and the Love was God.
Kerwin,When you can show me your statement in the scriptures, I'll be happy to discuss it.
Right now, I'd appreciate DIRECT answers to my DIRECT questions above. Thanks.
Since God is Love the reverse is true and Love is God.
No Kerwin, “love” is not “God”. You are confused.Quote (kerwin @ April 14 2013,12:18) Now that answers your objections.
Actually, it doesn't even address my objection. My objection is: When you can show me your statement IN THE SCRIPTURES, we will discuss it. You CANNOT show me that statement in the scriptures, so IMO, it is just another “dodge” that you've employed in order to NOT address my questions.I want you to DIRECTLY address my questions, Kerwin. (I've made them even bigger this time – and numbered them for your convenience.)
Mike,You are looking for faults in the way of a fault finder. You find my using a question as an answer challenging and so divert to what I suspect even you know is nonsense.
Now you are denying that God is love and love is God. You know what love is God and God is so why bother asking about “the love of money”. You also know Scripture states God is love in at least two places and yet you say the idea is not there.
I expect better than that from you.
Quote (kerwin @ April 14 2013,21:50) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 15 2013,08:41) Quote (kerwin @ April 14 2013,12:18) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 14 2013,09:47) Quote (kerwin @ April 13 2013,15:13) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 13 2013,09:38)
14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the only begotten Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.1. If the Word was God Himself-Made-Flesh (as Kerwin's new kick dictates), why did this Word have the glory of an only begotten Son from the Father?
2. Wouldn't God Himself dwell on earth with the glory of GOD? Please explain.
Mike,In the beginning the Love was with the God and the Love was God.
Kerwin,When you can show me your statement in the scriptures, I'll be happy to discuss it.
Right now, I'd appreciate DIRECT answers to my DIRECT questions above. Thanks.
Since God is Love the reverse is true and Love is God.
No Kerwin, “love” is not “God”. You are confused.Quote (kerwin @ April 14 2013,12:18) Now that answers your objections.
Actually, it doesn't even address my objection. My objection is: When you can show me your statement IN THE SCRIPTURES, we will discuss it. You CANNOT show me that statement in the scriptures, so IMO, it is just another “dodge” that you've employed in order to NOT address my questions.I want you to DIRECTLY address my questions, Kerwin. (I've made them even bigger this time – and numbered them for your convenience.)
Mike,You are looking for faults in the way of a fault finder. You find my using a question as an answer challenging and so divert to what I suspect even you know is nonsense.
Now you are denying that God is love and love is God. You know what love is God and God is so why bother asking about “the love of money”. You also know Scripture states God is love in at least two places and yet you say the idea is not there.
I expect better than that from you.
Hi,1Jn.4:8 The one who does not love does not know God, for God is love.
1Jn.4:16 And so we know and rely on the love God has for us. God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them.
Peace brothers.
Quote (kerwin @ April 14 2013,23:50)
Mike,You find my using a question as an answer challenging and so divert to what I suspect even you know is nonsense.
Actually Kerwin, it is quite the opposite. The truth is that I'm tired of YOU posting nonsense as a diversion.Quote (kerwin @ April 14 2013,23:50) Now you are denying that 1) God is love and 2) love is God.
I wholeheartedly agree with the first statement, Kerwin. God IS love. I disagree that love is God. In fact, I've shown SCRIPTURAL reference to the fact that “love” is not God.So if you cannot show me from scripture that love IS God, then you have no legs. And since that IS the case, I would really appreciate your DIRECT answers to those two super sized questions you've been avoiding.
Abe, thanks for showing the scriptures to which Kerwin was referring. But I would also like DIRECT answers to those questions from you as well.
Kerwin,
I'm also waiting for you to explain away the word “AND” in John 1:14 – so your “Word-Made-Flesh” title thing works.
Also, as an afterthought to my last post:
God is power. Is power God Himself?
God is just. Is justice God Himself?
God is faithful. Is faithfulness God Himself?
God is kind. Is kindness God Himself?
God is forgiving. Is forgiving God Himself?
I could go on and on, but surely you now see the point I'm making, and therefore your previous error.
8The person who does not love does not know God, because God is love. 9This is how God’s love was revealed among us: God sent his unique Son into the world so that we might live through him. 10This is love: not that we have loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son to be the atoning sacrifice for our sins. 11Dear friends, if this is the way God loved us, we must also love one another. 12No one has ever seen God. If we love one another, God lives in us, and his love is perfected in us. 13This is how we know that we abide in him and he in us: he has given us his Spirit.
14We have seen for ourselves and can testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world. 15God abides in the one who acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, and he abides in God. 16We have come to know and rely on the love that God has for us.
God is love, and the person who abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him. 17This is how love has been perfected among us: we will have confidence on the day of judgment because, during our time in this world, we are just like him. 18There is no fear where love exists. Rather, perfect love banishes fear, for fear involves punishment, and the person who lives in fear has not been perfected in love.
19We love because God first loved us. 20Whoever says, “I love God,” but hates his brother is a liar. The one who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love the God whom he has not seen. 21And this is the commandment that we have from him: the person who loves God must also love his brother.
Quote (2besee @ April 15 2013,19:14) Only God can reveal to you that God is love, and the meaning of it. Amen Kerwin and Abe.
2B,Pierre and I have wholeheartedly acknowledged that God is love.
It's Kerwin's claim that LOVE is GOD that we're having a problem with.
Perhaps you could shed some light?
(And I didn't personally address you on this last point I made about John 1, because I thought you were taking a break. But since you're here now, why not answer those two super sized questions that Kerwin seems unwilling to DIRECTLY answer.)
peace,
mikeHi Mike,
I am taking a break, but just had to say something!
As I also believe that God is love, and it is not something which man can quite understand, though some I know, will know.
Quote But since you're here now, why not answer those two super sized questions that Kerwin seems unwilling to DIRECTLY answer.) If I can help, which two questions are those?
If they are the two bolded questions a page back – I do not quite understand them?
Quote (2besee @ April 16 2013,07:14) Only God can reveal to you that God is love, and the meaning of it. Amen Kerwin and Abe.
2beBut God as it written in the scriptures ,you just have to read it ,and of cause understand it,
And saying God will make you see it ,does not work when he as it written in his scriptures,
You say as per scriptures and yet I have ask Kerwin,Abe,and you
What is the love of God,and so how is it that scriptures depict God,s love
If you going to support someone do you care if what they say is true or not,when you you show scriptures but no understanding in them what would you think others should think???
Genesis 1:3
And God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light.
And God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness.John 1:1
In him was life, and the life was the light of men.
The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.1 John 1:5
This is the message that we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light, and in him there is no darkness—none at all.
1 John 2:8
The darkness is fading away, and the true light is already shining.
The person who says that he is in the light but hates his brother is still in the darkness.
The person who loves his brother abides in the light, and there is no reason for him to stumble.
But the person who hates his brother is in the darkness and lives in the darkness. He does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes.'Love is Light
Hate is DarkGod is Love and God is Light.
The opposite to God is Hate and Darkness.
—————
Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.
It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.
Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.
It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
Love never fails.
But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away.Quote (terraricca @ April 16 2013,15:31) Quote (2besee @ April 16 2013,07:14) Only God can reveal to you that God is love, and the meaning of it. Amen Kerwin and Abe.
2beBut God as it written in the scriptures ,you just have to read it ,and of cause understand it,
And saying God will make you see it ,does not work when he as it written in his scriptures,
You say as per scriptures and yet I have ask Kerwin,Abe,and you
What is the love of God,and so how is it that scriptures depict God,s love
If you going to support someone do you care if what they say is true or not,when you you show scriptures but no understanding in them what would you think others should think???
T,
God is love and God's love will never pass away.
When you have experienced God's love, you will never forget it.God bless,
Quote (2besee @ April 16 2013,08:42) Genesis 1:3 And God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light.
And God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness.John 1:1
In him was life, and the life was the light of men.
The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.1 John 1:5
This is the message that we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light, and in him there is no darkness—none at all.
1 John 2:8
The darkness is fading away, and the true light is already shining.
The person who says that he is in the light but hates his brother is still in the darkness.
The person who loves his brother abides in the light, and there is no reason for him to stumble.
But the person who hates his brother is in the darkness and lives in the darkness. He does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes.'Love is Light
Hate is DarkGod is Love and God is Light.
The opposite to God is Hate and Darkness.
—————
Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.
It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.
Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.
It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
Love never fails.
But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away.
2beeYou are mixing the natural light and the spiritual understanding light given by the son of God,
Two very different lights
Quote (2besee @ April 16 2013,08:47) Quote (terraricca @ April 16 2013,15:31) Quote (2besee @ April 16 2013,07:14) Only God can reveal to you that God is love, and the meaning of it. Amen Kerwin and Abe.
2beBut God as it written in the scriptures ,you just have to read it ,and of cause understand it,
And saying God will make you see it ,does not work when he as it written in his scriptures,
You say as per scriptures and yet I have ask Kerwin,Abe,and you
What is the love of God,and so how is it that scriptures depict God,s love
If you going to support someone do you care if what they say is true or not,when you you show scriptures but no understanding in them what would you think others should think???
T,
God is love and God's love will never pass away.
When you have experienced God's love, you will never forget it.God bless,
2beeWhat make you think I have not shared God,s love
You should read the all of scriptures to know and understand God,s love ,
God does not change,do not use comments that focuses on the ignorance of others,You do not answered my questions,but call me ignorant.
Quote (terraricca @ April 16 2013,15:55) 2bee What make you think I have not shared God,s love
You should read the all of scriptures to know and understand God,s love ,
God does not change,do not use comments that focuses on the ignorance of others,You do not answered my questions,but call me ignorant.
Where did I say that you have not known God's love? It is nowhere in my post.
When I say “you” I mean anybody (Myself included) – it is the way that I speak (The Irish) and I did not use the word “not known”.
And your questions were answered but you could not see the answer.
Quote (2besee @ April 15 2013,18:42) Genesis 1:3 And God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light.
And God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness.John 1:1
In him was life, and the life was the light of men.
The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.1 John 1:5
This is the message that we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light, and in him there is no darkness—none at all.
1 John 2:8
The darkness is fading away, and the true light is already shining.
The person who says that he is in the light but hates his brother is still in the darkness.
The person who loves his brother abides in the light, and there is no reason for him to stumble.
But the person who hates his brother is in the darkness and lives in the darkness. He does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes.'Love is Light
Hate is DarkGod is Love and God is Light.
The opposite to God is Hate and Darkness.
—————
Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.
It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.
Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.
It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
Love never fails.
But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away.
Hi 2b,Amen.
Peace brother.
Quote (abe @ April 16 2013,16:52) Quote (2besee @ April 15 2013,18:42) Genesis 1:3 And God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light.
And God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness.John 1:1
In him was life, and the life was the light of men.
The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.1 John 1:5
This is the message that we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light, and in him there is no darkness—none at all.
1 John 2:8
The darkness is fading away, and the true light is already shining.
The person who says that he is in the light but hates his brother is still in the darkness.
The person who loves his brother abides in the light, and there is no reason for him to stumble.
But the person who hates his brother is in the darkness and lives in the darkness. He does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes.'Love is Light
Hate is DarkGod is Love and God is Light.
The opposite to God is Hate and Darkness.
—————
Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.
It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.
Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.
It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
Love never fails.
But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away.Hi 2b,
Amen.
Peace brother.
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