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Jehovah is also the God OF gods, right? Who are some of those other gods that Jehovah is the God OF, Gene?

Mike………They are false Gods created by the minds of men.

Deuteronomy 10:17
For Jehovah your God is God of gods and Lord of lords…………

Is that what you really think Moses had in mind when he said those above words, Gene? Do you think that Moses intended to teach Israel that Jehovah was the God of false idols created by the minds of men?

1. In what way is Jehovah the God of these false idols, that cannot even move, speak, or think?

2. And what about the lords that Jehovah is the Lord of? Are they also false lords created by the minds of men?

April 10, 2013 at 12:33 am#341449

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Mike ……..First of all he did not say he was LORD OF LORDS, but LORD of lords, the word lord (adon) is a human being like a magistrate or Judge or human king and yes the “LORD” Yahweh is the Adonai, the LORD God of all “human” lords and there is no other LORD (YAHWEH) at all there is only adon which is alway a human condition as Jesus and king David and was implying nothing else either. Therefore David said the LORD (Yahweh) (GOD Almighty) said to my Lord a (human magistrate) sit on right until i make you enemies you foot stool. The two words used for LORD and Lord are two “completely” “different” words, They have two complete different meanings. It is unfortunate translators those different word in same form. But the original Hebrew show a complete different word used their. One references a Deity, the other a Human being.

There are not two different meaning for the word GOD there is ONLY ONE and there are NO OTHERS. And because you can change the lettering from a upper case to a lower case in no way means scriptures do that , because all scripture was written in upper case lettering. So To pick and Choose the same word is only used by those pushing their own forms of doctrines to fit there Trinitarian and Preexistence false teachings.

Come on Mike admit is that not what you are trying so desperately to do is shore up is your rendition of John 1.1, be honest for a change that is the only reason you push the “little god” Big GOD thing Mike.

To say there are other “real” Gods is in direct contradictions of God words himself. And the word Elohim does not imply a singular meaning as Just a Power as in big power or “little' power, but has something connected with the Elohim or “Power” and that is what we “trust” In. So any thing can be “your” god big or Little, as long as it or they have power and you trust in them, but doe that “really” Make them or it a God of course not. They are “FALSE” Gods.

Just as the “original” Pictorial Language of the ancient Hebrew shows> You can not just say God by it self, it must be connected with who you “TRUST” IN> Get it,? ,So Paul says thought there are so-called Gods Many but to us there is “ONLY” ONE GOD>Get it? One God and ONE Mediator between that God and Man , THE “MAN” (not god) JESUS CHRIST. There are NO GOD or little god Men never was even though the roman called there leaders like Cesar Gods, but trust me they were no God at all and they all died just as we die, but i am sure in their minds they may as you think they were real Gods.

You trash Jesus own words, Paul's Word, God the Fathers words, Just to try to make Jesus a god, you are without even know it turning the Son of Man Jesus, into a Man of Sin , Just as spoken of in 2Th 2, The one sitting in the temple of God being displayed as a God, Which turns the “IMAGE” of the Man Jesus into a GOD and and making , That image of Jesus, into a man of sin, and what is more amazing you have no idea how you are doing it. IMO

I asked you a question why could you not answer it , Was the So-called God Baal a real God was he a little god or no god at all, yes or no Please , all the people worshiped Baal as a god right? So in you thoughts he had to be a “real” God right, but scripture shows he was not a real God but an imagination in the minds of people. Just as you cannot produce any Present god's big or little, now tell us is Buddha one of your present gods, while you presenting other gods. Mike why don't you answer all the question put to you?

peace and love to you and yours……………………………gene

April 10, 2013 at 1:14 am#341454

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 09 2013,18:33)

The two words used for LORD and Lord are two completely “different” words, They have two complete different meanings.

Gene, you are confused. The word often translated as “LORD”, with all caps, is the Hebrew word “YHWH”. It does not mean “lord” – in any sense of the word. It is instead God's personal name – the one He gave to Moses in Exodus 3:14. It means “I shall be what I shall choose to be”. (Many think it means “I am who I am”, but at any rate, it doesn't mean “lord” at all.)

Also, the word “adonai” is simply the emphatic form of “adon” – and that word is used of Jehovah and others in scripture. Also, Jehovah is sometimes called “adon”, not “adonai”.

In Deuteronomy, Moses is simply saying that Jehovah (YHWH) is the lord of other lords.

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There are not two different meaning for the word GOD there is ONLY ONE and there are NO OTHERS.

So when Satan is called “god”, it means the exact same thing as when Jehovah is called “god”? What exactly is that “one meaning”, in your opinion?

And if “GOD” only has one meaning, then explain to me how Jehovah is the GOD of GODS.

Jeremiah 46:25 NET ©
The Lord God of Israel who rules over all says, “I will punish Amon, the god of Thebes. I will punish Egypt, its gods, and its kings. I will punish Pharaoh and all who trust in him.

Gene, perhaps you could tell me how Jehovah “punishes” these gods of Egypt. Does He say they are “false gods”? Does He say they are “man-made idols”? And if they were, how exactly would God “punish” them?

Yet He says he will punish the gods AND the kings of Egypt, right? If the KINGS are real, why do you suppose the GODS aren't?

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I asked you a question why could you not answer it , Was the So-called God Baal a real God was he a little god or no god at all, yes or no Please , all the people worshiped Baal as a god right?

First of all, I'm still waiting for your answers to my questions, Gene. Secondly, I didn't even read your whole post, and didn't even see the question. (I don't usually read huge, rambling posts – but you already know that, right?)

Now, to answer your question, baal means “lord”, or “master”. I suppose many of the baals were created out of man's imagination – and were nothing but idols. But Jehovah called Satan “Baal-Zebub, the god of Ekron”. And Jesus calls this same baal “Beelzebub, ruler of the demons.” Jesus also calls him “Satan”. So in this case, the baal of Ekron was a real, living being. He is one of the angels of God who rebelled against God a long time ago. Paul calls him “the god of this world”.

I hope that answers all your questions. Now please answer the ONE question I bolded for you, okay?

April 10, 2013 at 3:21 pm#341507

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Mike….. That is exactly what i said the word used for LORD is not the same Word used for Lord in Hebrew Scriptures. If you believe that then there is not Problem , Your must have read my post wrong. I know the word LORD means (YAHWEH) and the word Lord means a magistrate of human origins. I have no problem with that.

As i said the word God has two meanings that must be used every time you use the word God, two parts Mike, POWER “and” TRUST you can not used the word without both senses applied. Notice you always find the word God when spoken of as a Person and will alway contain the words < “your” God , “our” God, “their” God, “my” God, the God “OF” , why is that? because anything can be a God to anyone because Gods are made up by the minds of men, they are the formation of mans mind , But are they “true” Gods , no they are False God's created by the mind of man and indeed “MY” God is the God of those “false” created Gods of man. Therefore Jesus says in Prayer “FOR THOU ARE THE “ONLY” “TRUE” GOD”, and he also “never” told us he was any kind of God at all but it appears you Mike know more then Jesus does about who are Gods.

And where Jesus said Mike, Know you not you are God's is in a Possessive sense Not that they were actually gods of any kind. and where he said he called them God's you have to tie the rest of that sentence together , “WHOM THE WORD OF GOD CAME” And there was no upper case or lower case lettering that was added by trinitarians latter . Those leaders of Israel Jesus was mentioning there were representatives of the Only “TRUE” God and were as Moses, acting in the Name of “there” God and that is Just what Pharisee's of Jesus day were suppose to be doing , thee were supposed to be God's Representatives to the Jews, but they as the larders of Israel did not Representative him by speaking his word. God came to his own even “IN” Jesus, but that did not make Jesus a God of any kind. Or Jessi would have responded by simply saying He was a God also as they were, but that is not what Jesus said He say top them , why did they get angry with him for saying he was “SON” of God, but he did not ever say He was a God of any kind. That is your false rendition of those scriptures need to enforce you trinitarian and Preexistence views. IMO

God “IS” anything you give POWER and TRUST TO and Worship in you life. But as i said Just because you trust something does not mean they are TRUE GOD . Face it Mike you need us to believe in others Gods because it support you false teaching of John 1:1 , you need Jesus to be a God so your false doctrine of the Preexistence of Jesus can fly. But Jesus never said he was a God “EVER” those are YOUR WORDS, Not His Words, He told us He was going to “His God” and “OUR God” , “HIS” Father and “OUR” Father. We are not confused about the word God, and we have NO “LITTLE” god's or big GOD'S, Just “ONE GOD” that is all. AS Paul clearly said , But unto us there is ONLY ONE GOD> The little gods you have created in you mind are false Gods Mike.

Mike simply put a god or Big God can be anything you equate POWER and Put your Trust IN. The word God demands Both things to be a God . and also demands you Worship. There are no big and Little God there is only ONE “TRUE” God. Trying to make a BIG Theo's, and a Little Theo's is wrong Mike. You can not use that to force the Text of John 1:1 to mean what it does not mean , nor was the “word” (A) God either , the word “was” God. Just as your word are you and can not be separated from you.

peace and loveto you and yours……………………………………………gene

April 10, 2013 at 8:46 pm#341519

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Mike,

Yes, though all the rest become the Word made flesh through him.

So then after the rest of us become “The Word-Made-Flesh” along with Jesus, will it also be said of us that all things in heaven and earth were created through us – like it is said of Jesus?

And since you believe the Word actually IS the God it was with in the beginning, you are really saying that GOD was made flesh, right? So by saying Jesus is “The Word-Made-Flesh”, you are really saying that Jesus is “God-Made-Flesh”, right? And since he is the first of many, eventually, there will be MANY “God-Made-Fleshes”, right?

Am I following you so far?

Mike,

I am saying that the Word was made flesh because Jehovah came to dwell in Jesus by the Spirit of Christ.

Jesus is the first that God tented in by his Spirit and he only dwells in others in the same manner by his dwelling first in Jesus.

Jesus' soul and spirit came in the flesh.

April 11, 2013 at 12:40 am#341542

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Okay Kerwin………….. so then answer my questions.

1. Will the many, soon-to-come “Word-Made-Fleshes” (us) also have it said about them that all things were created through them? YES or NO? (If “NO”, then why not?)

2. Since you think the Word IS God, it means you think Jesus is “The God-Made-Flesh”, right?

3. And since Jesus is the first of many, eventually, there will be MANY “God-Made-Fleshes”, right?

April 11, 2013 at 12:43 am#341543

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 10 2013,09:21)

As i said the word God has two meanings that must be used every time you use the word God, two parts Mike, POWER “and” TRUST you can not used the word without both senses applied.

Actually Gene,

Your exact words were “There are not two different meaning for the word GOD there is ONLY ONE and there are NO OTHERS.”

But at any rate, tell me how Satan being “the god of this world” means Satan has “POWER” and “TRUST”. Tell me how Satan is not a “lessor god”, but exactly equal to Jehovah, since there is “literally only ONE god”.

April 11, 2013 at 1:59 am#341552

terraricca

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Mike,

Yes, though all the rest become the Word made flesh through him.

So then after the rest of us become “The Word-Made-Flesh” along with Jesus, will it also be said of us that all things in heaven and earth were created through us – like it is said of Jesus?

Am I following you so far?

Mike,

I am saying that the Word was made flesh because Jehovah came to dwell in Jesus by the Spirit of Christ.

Jesus is the first that God tented in by his Spirit and he only dwells in others in the same manner by his dwelling first in Jesus.

Jesus' soul and spirit came in the flesh.

Kerwin

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I am saying that the Word was made flesh because Jehovah came to dwell in Jesus by the Spirit of Christ.

Jehovah God does not dwell in people ,but his love can,his spirit ,being his will can,any one who does the will of the father has the father in him ;try to understand this

April 11, 2013 at 1:59 am#341553

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Mike,

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1. Will the many, soon-to-come “Word-Made-Fleshes” (us) also have it said about them that all things were created through them? YES or NO? (If “NO”, then why not?)

I would be speculation to give either of those answers.

The bible is God's Word made text and true believers are God's Word made flesh. Jesus is the firstborn of all believers. His role is the head of the church. Each believer has been given a role in the body.

The Word the the bible makes text, and which those of the body, even the head, make flesh; created all things, even the bible, the members of the body, and Jesus Christ.

If you are speaking about the Word then then answer is yes. If you are speaking of that which is not the Word then the answer is no.

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2. Since you think the Word IS God, it means you think Jesus is “The God-Made-Flesh”, right?

Yes, In a manner of speaking as Jehovah is dwelling in Jesus' flesh by the Saintly Spirit.

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3. And since Jesus is the first of many, eventually, there will be MANY “God-Made-Fleshes”, right?

Yes, as Jehovah will come to dwell in a multitude.

April 11, 2013 at 4:47 pm#341586

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 11 2013,11:43)

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 10 2013,09:21)

As i said the word God has two meanings that must be used every time you use the word God, two parts Mike, POWER “and” TRUST you can not used the word without both senses applied.

Actually Gene,

Your exact words were “There are not two different meaning for the word GOD there is ONLY ONE and there are NO OTHERS.”

Mike……Satan is “called a God of this world” because that is who men serve , it has nothing to do with ha-satan, being a “REAL” god of any kind. As i said you can not use the word God without using both meanings “power” “AND” “trust”.
Anything can be a God to anyone , it all depends on who you serve God or bow down to. I for one and Jesus, only have “ONE” God > Who is true GOD all other are false Gods big or little makes no difference they are all false Gods other then the ONE and “ONLY TRUE” GOD> IMO

Mike reconceder your stand on many thing you try to devide up into verys forms of words, big and little , empathic or non empathic, came also mean, When it coe sto the Word of God it IS EMPHATIC ALWAYS, brother. IMO

peace and love to you and yours………………………….gene

April 11, 2013 at 4:55 pm#341587

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Mike,

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1. Will the many, soon-to-come “Word-Made-Fleshes” (us) also have it said about them that all things were created through them? YES or NO? (If “NO”, then why not?)

I would be speculation to give either of those answers.

The Word the the bible makes text, and which those of the body, even the head, make flesh; created all things, even the bible, the members of the body, and Jesus Christ.

If you are speaking about the Word then then answer is yes. If you are speaking of that which is not the Word then the answer is no.

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2. Since you think the Word IS God, it means you think Jesus is “The God-Made-Flesh”, right?

Yes, In a manner of speaking as Jehovah is dwelling in Jesus' flesh by the Saintly Spirit.

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3. And since Jesus is the first of many, eventually, there will be MANY “God-Made-Fleshes”, right?

Yes, as Jehovah will come to dwell in a multitude.

Kerwin……….You have presented it right Brother, Indeed it is GOD who will be “IN” ALL and THROUGH ALL, Just as He was “IN” Jesus our Lord , Just as Jesus said He was. God became Flesh in the Anointed Jesus, Just as He does in Us also.

It is through this eternal Spirit that we are “ALL” made son of God. It is the same “SPIRIT” that was in Jesus our Lord.

Peace and love to youand your ………………………..gene

April 12, 2013 at 2:29 am#341635

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Satan is “called a God of this world” because that is who men serve , it has nothing to do with ha-satan, being a “REAL” god of any kind.

Hmm………… I must have missed the part where Paul called Satan the “false” god of this age. Please point that out for me in the scripture, okay?

And what about Jesus? You have agreed that he is the one who “will be called mighty god” in Isaiah 9:6, right?

Is Jesus also a “false god”?

April 12, 2013 at 2:45 am#341638

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If you are speaking about the Word then then answer is yes. If you are speaking of that which is not the Word then the answer is no.

I'm speaking about ME, when I someday become another “Word-Made-Flesh” like Jesus. Will it then be said about ME that all things in heaven and earth were created through ME?

BTW, we never finished this “Word-Made-Flesh” discussion. Do you remember from before that the way you are explaining those words won't work in 1:14 because of the word “AND”?

If Jesus IS “The Word-Made-Flesh”, then it can be said that the Word-Made-Flesh dwelled among us. But it CANNOT be said that the Word-Made-Flesh AND dwelled among us.

Let's use my sample for an example:

1. The Self-Made-Man dwelled in Iowa.

2. The Self-Made-Man AND dwelled in Iowa.

See how #1 will work, but #2 won't? The word AND is in the Greek text of John 1:14, Kerwin. And because of that word, your whole theory is shot down. Try again.

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…….you think Jesus is “The God-Made-Flesh”, right?

Yes, In a manner of speaking as Jehovah is dwelling in Jesus' flesh by the Saintly Spirit.

So you are in line with the Trinitarians then. They also believe that Jesus was God Himself in the flesh.

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And since Jesus is the first of many, eventually, there will be MANY “God-Made-Fleshes”, right?

Yes, as Jehovah will come to dwell in a multitude.

Oh boy! Someday I will become God Himself in the flesh!

Kerwin, you are losing it – on more than one level.

April 12, 2013 at 2:46 am#341639

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 11 2013,10:55)

Indeed it is GOD who will be “IN” ALL and THROUGH ALL,

Does God being “in all and through all” mean that everyone will be “God-Made-Flesh”, Gene?

Will YOU someday be “God-Made-Flesh”?

April 12, 2013 at 6:03 am#341654

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Quote (kerwin @ April 10 2013,19:59)

If you are speaking about the Word then then answer is yes. If you are speaking of that which is not the Word then the answer is no.

I'm speaking about ME, when I someday become another “Word-Made-Flesh” like Jesus. Will it then be said about ME that all things in heaven and earth were created through ME?

BTW, we never finished this “Word-Made-Flesh” discussion. Do you remember from before that the way you are explaining those words won't work in 1:14 because of the word “AND”?

If Jesus IS “The Word-Made-Flesh”, then it can be said that the Word-Made-Flesh dwelled among us. But it CANNOT be said that the Word-Made-Flesh AND dwelled among us.

Let's use my sample for an example:

1. The Self-Made-Man dwelled in Iowa.

2. The Self-Made-Man AND dwelled in Iowa.

See how #1 will work, but #2 won't? The word AND is in the Greek text of John 1:14, Kerwin. And because of that word, your whole theory is shot down. Try again.

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…….you think Jesus is “The God-Made-Flesh”, right?

Yes, In a manner of speaking as Jehovah is dwelling in Jesus' flesh by the Saintly Spirit.

So you are in line with the Trinitarians then. They also believe that Jesus was God Himself in the flesh.

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And since Jesus is the first of many, eventually, there will be MANY “God-Made-Fleshes”, right?

Yes, as Jehovah will come to dwell in a multitude.

Oh boy! Someday I will become God Himself in the flesh!

Kerwin, you are losing it – on more than one level.

Mike,

You either acknowledge Scripture is true when it states Jehovah comes to dwell in those that believe through his Spirit or you declare it is false.

If you believe it is true in some manner then you believe God is made flesh in the multitude of believers in the same way.

Your beliefs on this issue appear to be inconsistent.

The Trinitarians interpret it as Jesus being Jehovah at the same time they do not apply it to believers in the same way. Your apparent inconsistency is you apply it to the individual but not the multitude made up of the same individuals.

April 12, 2013 at 2:58 pm#341684

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 11 2013,10:55)

Indeed it is GOD who will be “IN” ALL and THROUGH ALL,

Does God being “in all and through all” mean that everyone will be “God-Made-Flesh”, Gene?

Will YOU someday be “God-Made-Flesh”?

Mike………If God is “IN” you then His Presence is there, Just as he was “IN” Jesus. Now if i and Jesus are Flesh being then God is “IN” and Present “IN” my flesh. Non of that makes God a Flesh being, nor have i suggested it either.

Your Problem Mike is you simply do not know what a Spirit “IS”> No Spirit can ever be flesh, I nor Kerwin are saying that, That is you just desperately trying to make what we have said seem ridiculous.

If anyone here believes a God of some type “became” flesh it is you , not us. Is is not you people that say Jesus was a Preexisting god , little as he may be, who became flesh. So trying to turn it around as if we are saying god is flesh is nonsense.

Here is one for you…… Know you not that your “BODIES” is the temple of the living GOD. Big GOD, not a Little god Mike.

As i have told you before there is NO Flesh SPIRIT in existence never was and never will be, Spirits are what is “IN” Flesh and when a person dies the Spirit “IN” him leaves Him and return to the one who gave it in the first place. If that Spirit is of God it returns to God and it will bring to life our Mortal bodies at the resurrection which will wittiness the redemption of our “Bodies”, Just like it did Jesus' Mortal Body at his resurrection.

So, some Day i will not be a God made Flesh being, but i will be a Flesh man being, who has God “IN” him , Just as Jesus did and “IS”. In this way i can be a Son of God and a Son of Man also. A Son of God by the “INDWELLING” SPIRIT of God and a Son of Man by the Flesh and Spirit God gave me at berth.

Mike if you still believe there are other “TRUE” God's you are not even close to understanding the truth of God concerning this subject. You empathic and non empathic sayings have screwed up you understanding about Not only GOD the Father Himself but about Jesus also preexisting as some kind of God. IMO

peace and lvoe to you and yours………………………………….gene

April 12, 2013 at 3:10 pm#341685

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 12 2013,13:29)

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 11 2013,10:47)

Satan is “called a God of this world” because that is who men serve , it has nothing to do with ha-satan, being a “REAL” god of any kind.

Hmm………… I must have missed the part where Paul called Satan the “false” god of this age. Please point that out for me in the scripture, okay?

And what about Jesus? You have agreed that he is the one who “will be called mighty god” in Isaiah 9:6, right?

Is Jesus also a “false god”?

Mike……No you did not miss it you simply do not understand what Paul meant , Had you understood what i was telling you you would understand why Paul could say that , and it is becasue men follow ha-satans Spirit and bow down to it in there lives, that is who most allmen serve and worship as the driving force in their lives. Paul obvisely did not mean Satan was a True God himself , of he would not have said But unto us ther is ONLY ONE GOD. But to you and other there are Many “SO-CALLED” God's right , But to the Saints and Jesus, there is “ONLY ONE TRUE GOD”.

I not only understand ,you believe in other gods , i also know why you do. You need to believe it inorder to advance you false teaching about Jesus' “PREXISTENCES” , right?

peace and love to you and yours…………………………….gene

April 12, 2013 at 3:26 pm#341687

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Quote (kerwin @ April 10 2013,19:59)

If you are speaking about the Word then then answer is yes. If you are speaking of that which is not the Word then the answer is no.

I'm speaking about ME, when I someday become another “Word-Made-Flesh” like Jesus. Will it then be said about ME that all things in heaven and earth were created through ME?

BTW, we never finished this “Word-Made-Flesh” discussion. Do you remember from before that the way you are explaining those words won't work in 1:14 because of the word “AND”?

If Jesus IS “The Word-Made-Flesh”, then it can be said that the Word-Made-Flesh dwelled among us. But it CANNOT be said that the Word-Made-Flesh AND dwelled among us.

Let's use my sample for an example:

1. The Self-Made-Man dwelled in Iowa.

2. The Self-Made-Man AND dwelled in Iowa.

See how #1 will work, but #2 won't? The word AND is in the Greek text of John 1:14, Kerwin. And because of that word, your whole theory is shot down. Try again.

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…….you think Jesus is “The God-Made-Flesh”, right?

Yes, In a manner of speaking as Jehovah is dwelling in Jesus' flesh by the Saintly Spirit.

So you are in line with the Trinitarians then. They also believe that Jesus was God Himself in the flesh.

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And since Jesus is the first of many, eventually, there will be MANY “God-Made-Fleshes”, right?

Yes, as Jehovah will come to dwell in a multitude.

Oh boy! Someday I will become God Himself in the flesh!

Kerwin, you are losing it – on more than one level.

Mike,

You either acknowledge Scripture is true when it states Jehovah comes to dwell in those that believe through his Spirit or you declare it is false.

If you believe it is true in some manner then you believe God is made flesh in the multitude of believers in the same way.

Your beliefs on this issue appear to be inconsistent.

The Trinitarians interpret it as Jesus being Jehovah at the same time they do not apply it to believers in the same way. Your apparent inconsistency is you apply it to the individual but not the multitude made up of the same individuals.

Hi Kerwin,

You said that backwards. He does apply it to
the multitude (the church) but refuses to apply it
the same way to an individual. (2 Corinthians 6:16)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

April 12, 2013 at 6:30 pm#341693

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Mike,

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1. Will the many, soon-to-come “Word-Made-Fleshes” (us) also have it said about them that all things were created through them? YES or NO? (If “NO”, then why not?)

I would be speculation to give either of those answers.

The Word the the bible makes text, and which those of the body, even the head, make flesh; created all things, even the bible, the members of the body, and Jesus Christ.

If you are speaking about the Word then then answer is yes. If you are speaking of that which is not the Word then the answer is no.

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2. Since you think the Word IS God, it means you think Jesus is “The God-Made-Flesh”, right?

Yes, In a manner of speaking as Jehovah is dwelling in Jesus' flesh by the Saintly Spirit.

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3. And since Jesus is the first of many, eventually, there will be MANY “God-Made-Fleshes”, right?

Yes, as Jehovah will come to dwell in a multitude.

It is through this eternal Spirit that we are “ALL” made son of God. It is the same “SPIRIT” that was in Jesus our Lord.

Peace and love to youand your ………………………..gene

Gene,

I have my disagreement with certain of your tenets but this one you seem to be putting together. Mike is not yet putting the puzzle of the gospel together. Judging what the whole picture is by the picture on a particular piece is tricky.

April 12, 2013 at 8:05 pm#341694