In the Beginning

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Okay All,

It is clear that none of you can actually show any scripture that says God's Holy Spirit is one of His sons. And now we have 2B and Gene threatening to walk away from the discussion because it is not going their way.

In light of this fact, I will speed up the “Holy Spirit Son of God” comparisons of John 1.

4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind.

6 There was a man sent from God whose name was John. 7 He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all might believe.

Where are the scriptures that teach us that John the Baptist came to testify about the Holy Spirit at all – let alone “the Holy Spirit Son of God”?

I showed you MANY scriptures that tell us exactly who the light was that John testified about, right? And that “light of the world” was Jesus Christ, right? And it is CLEARLY taught, over and over in scripture, that John came to testify about Jesus, right?

Now it's your turn, guys. Where is the scripture that says John testified one single thing about the “Holy Spirit Son of God”?

April 3, 2013 at 11:44 pm#340726

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2B, before you bail, I would really like a response to this post:

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Mike, The Word is not the entire being of God Almighty but a part of God Almighty.

Very good. So, if the “theos” in part b DOES refer to the entire being of God, and the “theos” in part c DOES NOT refer to the entire being of God – we have a case where the two “theos” are referring to DIFFERENT things, right?

That sounds reasonable – especially considering that one was “with” the other, right?

So now, whether you like it or not, it seems we agree that “THE theos” was with someone/something that was not entirely “THE theos”, right?

April 3, 2013 at 11:45 pm#340727

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I would like to hear more of Abe's view, but I don't want Abe to feel pressured into answering.

In your own time, Abe. I will be listening, as usual.

Hi 2b,

What does complete denial mean?

Peace brother..

April 3, 2013 at 11:56 pm#340729

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I would like to hear more of Abe's view…………

2 Timothy 4:3
For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.

April 4, 2013 at 12:12 am#340730

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The fact that Christ is resurrected from the dead it does not make him the holy spirit ,right ?

I'd like to hear Abe's answer as well.

Hi Mike,

Gal.4:6 Because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!”

Peace.

That is a scripture, Abe………… not an answer to Pierre's question.

Please answer his question DIRECTLY, because your scripture surely isn't saying that Jesus became the Holy Spirit upon his resurrection.

Hi Mike,

Gal.4:6 Because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!”

Mike you are in complete DENIAL on this verse?
Do you understand that?

Peace brother..

Abe,

As Pierre and I have clearly pointed out to you, we aren't even able to see what it is you think this verse is claiming. How can we be “in denial” about something when we don't even know what that something is?

Are you claiming that “the spirit of the Son” in that verse is the Holy Spirit? If so, then just PLAINLY say as much.

If not, then what exactly ARE you claiming from that verse?

Hi Abe,

Complete denial?

April 4, 2013 at 12:15 am#340731

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2B, before you bail, I would really like a response to this post:

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Mike, The Word is not the entire being of God Almighty but a part of God Almighty.

That sounds reasonable – especially considering that one was “with” the other, right?

So now, whether you like it or not, it seems we agree that “THE theos” was with someone/something that was not entirely “THE theos”, right?

Mike,

Two theos?
No, The one God and His Word and His spirit = One God.

April 4, 2013 at 12:42 am#340733

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Read it closely, 2B. I am not asking you if there were two GODS in John 1:1.

I am merely pointing out that you agree with me that the theos in part b IS the ENTIRE being of God Almighty, and the theos in part c IS NOT the ENTIRE being of God Almighty.

And that one little agreement puts you and I closer to each other's understanding than we started, right?

April 4, 2013 at 12:49 am#340734

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Hi Mike,

Gal.4:6 Because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!”

Mike you are in complete DENIAL on this verse?
Do you understand that?

Peace brother..

Abe,

Are you claiming that “the spirit of the Son” in that verse is the Holy Spirit? If so, then just PLAINLY say as much.

If not, then what exactly ARE you claiming from that verse?

Hi Abe,

Complete denial?

What exactly am I “denying”, 2B? Abe?

How can honest Christian men just run around saying I am “in denial”, but then not answer my honest question about what I am supposedly denying?

Come one Abe or 2B. Clue us in about what we are denying.

April 4, 2013 at 12:50 am#340735

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Hi T,

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this is my question again,I have ask you that question because you made the declaration that Jesus Christ the son of God ;his the holy spirit ;

I did not say this. The Spirit of Christ is the Holy Spirit.

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COULD YOU TELL US WHAT IS IT THAT “WE THOUGHT “” WAS GOD IT SEEMS THAT YOU HAVE READ BOTH OF US VERY WRONG ,SO PLEASE ANSWER THE QUESTION

Mike said the Holy Spirit was not created.I am sure Mike said it. But not you? Do you believe the Holy Spirit is not created?

Peace brother.

abe

wen you click “quote” to copy and frame it ,you have to click “quote” again after yous have copy and paste,(if you look closely you can see a little star in the icon after the first click ,tells you you have a open quote,to close it you click it again and the little star goes away try it and see.

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Mike said the Holy Spirit was not created.I am sure Mike said it. But not you? Do you believe the Holy Spirit is not created?

is God almighty created NO ,then how can his spirit be created or his powers

now Christ “the Word of God was created the very first of creation all other things were created through him.

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Hi Gene,

To me, that sounds like Jesus and the “Holy Spirit Son of God” are now one being, not two.

Amen.

this is from your quote to Gene ,

so now you say ;what

abe

you did not answer my questions;and I can see that some here have influence you with their own devious mind ,

April 4, 2013 at 12:57 am#340739

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Read it closely, 2B. I am not asking you if there were two GODS in John 1:1.

I am merely pointing out that you agree with me that the theos in part b IS the ENTIRE being of God Almighty, and the theos in part c IS NOT the ENTIRE being of God Almighty.

And that one little agreement puts you and I closer to each other's understanding than we started, right?

Mike,

A) In the beginning was the word
B) The word was with God
C) And the word was God.

Theos in B = The entire being of God, I agree.
Theos in C = The entire being of God.

April 4, 2013 at 1:51 am#340747

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with their own devious mind ,

Terraricca,

See, this is why I would rather ignore you because you are, obviously, a troll. Of course you are nice to the Moderators, and nice to anyone who does not challenge your behaviour.

You do not like me because I told you in front of a moderator that you broke the rules.

Rules are there for a reason.

April 4, 2013 at 2:10 am#340758

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with their own devious mind ,

Terraricca,

See, this is why I would rather ignore you because you are, obviously, a troll. Of course you are nice to the Moderators, and nice to anyone who does not challenge your behaviour.

You do not like me because I told you in front of a moderator that you broke the rules.

Rules are there for a reason.

2bee

you give yourself to much credit ,you could not answer my questions and so run away ,

just like you tell others to do the same ,

you can not justify your own believes in scriptures ,this is why you just pick and what you find good enough for you to accept , the rest you push it aside ,and argue on it even wen you do not have anything to stand on ,reject all things that your understanding in your own circle do not want ,this is not the way to God s truth but i agree it is the fast road to your satisfaction ,

you should think more before you talk,so you would not have to backtrack,

April 4, 2013 at 2:16 am#340763

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Terraricca,
I am searching for truth.

I could have just ignored your behavior in the past, and put up with it, and allowed you to speak to others as you do, and then to myself as you did, but then what good am I if I turned a blind eye? Is it helping them? No. Is it helping You? NO.

What makes you so certain that you have all of the truth? What makes Wakeup so certain that He has all of the truth? What makes me so certain that I have all of truth? Nothing, because I do not claim to HAVE all of the truth, at ALL. But there are some things I have been shown, it is just that I cannot put it together properly.

I am only human.

April 4, 2013 at 2:17 am#340764

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….and you are only making up an excuse for grudge holding.

April 4, 2013 at 2:27 am#340766

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Anyway I am done here. Thanks for the conversation all. I have heard enough in one day from T and from Journey, and this is not spiritually healthy at all.

April 4, 2013 at 2:35 am#340770

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….and you are only making up an excuse for grudge holding.

2BEE

you are wrong ,i never hold grudges,and this is the truth

April 4, 2013 at 2:39 am#340772

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Theos in B = The entire being of God, I agree.
Theos in C = The entire being of God.

But you just got done telling me that the theos in part c was “a part of God“, right?

Surely a “part of” God isn't the same as “the entire being of God”, right?

April 4, 2013 at 2:46 am#340773