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Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 26 2013,14:01) Quote (2besee @ Mar. 26 2013,04:38) Quote (2besee @ Mar. 26 2013,11:25) Quote Jesus had both his own and God's which is why he stated “not as I will but as you will”. God's Spirit is later called by Jesus' name. I can think of two different reasons why to do that.
Kerwin, please say more.
What are the two reasons?
So is the spirit now called Jesus.2besee,
1 Jesus lives by God's Spirit.
2 Jesus sends it.The Spirit is called Christ.
The new man seems a better one to be called Jesus Christ.
Kerwin,
okay. I kind of hear what you are saying..Quote (abe @ Mar. 26 2013,15:19) Quote (2besee @ Mar. 25 2013,14:36) Quote (abe @ Mar. 26 2013,08:38) Quote (2besee @ Mar. 25 2013,02:04) But the Comforter, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatever I have said to you.
John 14:2618 I will not leave you Comfortless: I will come to you.
John 14:18Please, someone with some wisdom help me to solve this.
I can't piece it together.
Hi 2b,Past? Present? Future?
Jesus living? Jesus died? Jesus now? Jesus future?
Jesus future.
Jer.3:17 At that time they shall call Jerusalem the throne of the LORD; and all the nations shall be gathered unto it, to the name of the LORD, to Jerusalem: neither shall they walk any more after the imagination of their evil heart.
Peace brother…
Hi Abe.
Do you think that this is still to come?
Hi 2b,Rev.22:3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
Peace brother.
Hi Abe.
But what does that have to do with the comforter?
The Spirit was poured out on the day of Pentecost.
So how is that something future or in what way are you connecting it with (heavenly?) Jerusalem?Thanks Abe.
Quote (Richtuner @ Nov. 26 2012,05:16) I find it difficult to see the same old problem with John 1 and 1John 5:7.
Even the later is in Italics people get all off the reservation about it.Does everyone here believe that God cannot control His own Words, even down to our generation?
Did God not know how His Word would turn out in being translated into English?
These two complement and agree with each other, (NO I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE TRINITY)
Take this for an example, God created all thing by saying, by His Word, God spoke and it was so, God said let there be and it was etc.
Can God lie? Why? Can He speak a lie or anything that is not truth? Why?
God calls those thing that be not as though they were, meaning if God says that grass is blue, you need to look out the window because it will be blue and not green. He can not lie.
Now look at this,
Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.Notice that when he speaks a lie it is of his own and the father of it. If no truth is in him, he cannot tell the truth. If he does it is surrounded with lies.
How about God? Can he speak a lie? Then if He can only speak truth, He speaks of His own and is the father of truth.
Why is it so hard to believe that God's Word is God Himself?
In the beginning, “God” period! His presents was all that was in the beginning.
Richturner……….has posted it rightPeace and love to you and yours………….gene
Quote (2besee @ Mar. 26 2013,20:35) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 26 2013,11:08) Quote (2besee @ Mar. 26 2013,08:29) Hi Ed. —————-
I looked into something.
John 14:23…Click on Here and scroll down to the word 2064 [e]eleusomethaἐλευσόμεθαwe will come and then click on the strongs number for that word 2064, and it does not say 'WE' will come. It just means ' I come/go'
So,
Answered Jesus and said to him — If anyone love me — the word of me he will keep — and the Father of me will love him — and to him (I?) come — and an abode with him will make.
Now, that would fit with the Holy Spirit being sent!!
Hi 2Besee,“WE” is the “middle voice” (in Greek) denoting himself.
(Jesus comes at the fathers right hand, WITH YHVH)“OUR” is used in conjunction with “abode”, which
IS THE SAME WORD TRANSLATED A MANSION.
Ed, you said:Quote “OUR” is used in conjunction with “abode”, which
IS THE SAME WORD TRANSLATED A MANSION.Did you click on the link to the Greek wording? Please do that now, Ed, and you will see that the word “OUR” is not there in conjunction with “abode”, just as the word that has been translated as “we will come” is actually in “strongs” simply “will come” and match that with what Jesus said when he said that HE will come however, the Holy Spirit came.
Here is the link again:
http://biblos.com/john/14-23.htm
Now clink on the strongs number next to the word “we will come”.
Hi 2Besee,It is necessary to add informational words in cases of translational differences.
And you I did check into this. One should always check out disputed formation.Here is the same quote with all the added words removed:
“If man love me, keep my words: and my Father love him,
and come unto him, and make “Mansion” of him.” (John 14:23)Does this wording help you to understand it better?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (2besee @ Mar. 26 2013,21:05) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 26 2013,11:45) “And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive
you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.” (John 14:3)Ed, Good verse.
Now, read the whole chapter (14) whilst keeping in mind the Greek which reads “I will come” and “make abode”.
Hi 2Besee,Yes, that is what happened at “Pentecost”!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (2besee @ Mar. 26 2013,21:16) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 26 2013,11:48) Quote (2besee @ Mar. 26 2013,09:41) Ed, I believe that the Father is in HEAVEN.
“I will be what I will be”“God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and
I will be(see Ex.3:14) their God, and they shall be my people.” (2 Cor 6:16)Ed
Through the Spirit of God (1Cor 2:10-16) just as the Holy Spirit was in Jesus, and the Father was in heaven.
Jesus prayed to the Father in Heaven and told us to pray to the Father in Heaven.
Hi 2Besee,“Pentecost” was the fulfillment of God's kingdom coming. – AND –
“Feast of Tabernacles” is the fulfillment of God's will being done.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (2besee @ Mar. 26 2013,16:26) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 26 2013,14:01) Quote (2besee @ Mar. 26 2013,04:38) Quote (2besee @ Mar. 26 2013,11:25) Quote Jesus had both his own and God's which is why he stated “not as I will but as you will”. God's Spirit is later called by Jesus' name. I can think of two different reasons why to do that.
Kerwin, please say more.
What are the two reasons?
So is the spirit now called Jesus.2besee,
1 Jesus lives by God's Spirit.
2 Jesus sends it.The Spirit is called Christ.
The new man seems a better one to be called Jesus Christ.
Kerwin,
okay. I kind of hear what you are saying..
2besee,Just let me know how you kind of understand and I will try to be more understandable.
Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 27 2013,04:34) Quote (2besee @ Mar. 26 2013,16:26) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 26 2013,14:01) Quote (2besee @ Mar. 26 2013,04:38) Quote (2besee @ Mar. 26 2013,11:25) Quote Jesus had both his own and God's which is why he stated “not as I will but as you will”. God's Spirit is later called by Jesus' name. I can think of two different reasons why to do that.
Kerwin, please say more.
What are the two reasons?
So is the spirit now called Jesus.2besee,
1 Jesus lives by God's Spirit.
2 Jesus sends it.The Spirit is called Christ.
The new man seems a better one to be called Jesus Christ.
Kerwin,
okay. I kind of hear what you are saying..2besee,
Just let me know how you kind of understand and I will try to be more understandable.
Kerwin, No, I get you now. I was half asleep last night.The Spirit is called Christ, and the new man is called Jesus Christ.
Yes I understand that much if that is what you are meaning.
Jesus Christ is in Heaven with the Father and the Christ/Holy Spirit is here.
The Christ/Holy Spirit is a part of God.
Is that what you are saying, and do I have the rest right, IYO?
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 27 2013,01:34) Quote (Richtuner @ Nov. 26 2012,05:16) I find it difficult to see the same old problem with John 1 and 1John 5:7.
Even the later is in Italics people get all off the reservation about it.Does everyone here believe that God cannot control His own Words, even down to our generation?
Did God not know how His Word would turn out in being translated into English?
These two complement and agree with each other, (NO I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE TRINITY)
Take this for an example, God created all thing by saying, by His Word, God spoke and it was so, God said let there be and it was etc.
Can God lie? Why? Can He speak a lie or anything that is not truth? Why?
God calls those thing that be not as though they were, meaning if God says that grass is blue, you need to look out the window because it will be blue and not green. He can not lie.
Now look at this,
Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.Notice that when he speaks a lie it is of his own and the father of it. If no truth is in him, he cannot tell the truth. If he does it is surrounded with lies.
How about God? Can he speak a lie? Then if He can only speak truth, He speaks of His own and is the father of truth.
Why is it so hard to believe that God's Word is God Himself?
In the beginning, “God” period! His presents was all that was in the beginning.
Richturner……….has posted it rightPeace and love to you and yours………….gene
Gene, Yes, I agree.
Of course our understanding may be slightly different (even your understanding and mine) but we do hear each other.Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 27 2013,01:39) Quote (2besee @ Mar. 26 2013,20:35) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 26 2013,11:08) Quote (2besee @ Mar. 26 2013,08:29) Hi Ed. —————-
I looked into something.
John 14:23…Click on Here and scroll down to the word 2064 [e]eleusomethaἐλευσόμεθαwe will come and then click on the strongs number for that word 2064, and it does not say 'WE' will come. It just means ' I come/go'
So,
Answered Jesus and said to him — If anyone love me — the word of me he will keep — and the Father of me will love him — and to him (I?) come — and an abode with him will make.
Now, that would fit with the Holy Spirit being sent!!
Hi 2Besee,“WE” is the “middle voice” (in Greek) denoting himself.
(Jesus comes at the fathers right hand, WITH YHVH)“OUR” is used in conjunction with “abode”, which
IS THE SAME WORD TRANSLATED A MANSION.
Ed, you said:Quote “OUR” is used in conjunction with “abode”, which
IS THE SAME WORD TRANSLATED A MANSION.Did you click on the link to the Greek wording? Please do that now, Ed, and you will see that the word “OUR” is not there in conjunction with “abode”, just as the word that has been translated as “we will come” is actually in “strongs” simply “will come” and match that with what Jesus said when he said that HE will come however, the Holy Spirit came.
Here is the link again:
http://biblos.com/john/14-23.htm
Now clink on the strongs number next to the word “we will come”.
Hi 2Besee,It is necessary to add informational words in cases of translational differences.
And you I did check into this. One should always check out disputed formation.Here is the same quote with all the added words removed:
“If man love me, keep my words: and my Father love him,
and come unto him, and make “Mansion” of him.” (John 14:23)Does this wording help you to understand it better?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Ed,
Well, the Holy Spirit and the Father are the one God, so i suppose that it does not make much difference with the wording, because God dwells in people through the Holy Spirit, though God is in Heaven. It just helped to clarify other scripture to me.
Quote (2besee @ Mar. 26 2013,02:34) Quote (abe @ Mar. 26 2013,15:19) Quote (2besee @ Mar. 25 2013,14:36) Quote (abe @ Mar. 26 2013,08:38) Quote (2besee @ Mar. 25 2013,02:04) But the Comforter, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatever I have said to you.
John 14:2618 I will not leave you Comfortless: I will come to you.
John 14:18Please, someone with some wisdom help me to solve this.
I can't piece it together.
Hi 2b,Past? Present? Future?
Jesus living? Jesus died? Jesus now? Jesus future?
Jesus future.
Jer.3:17 At that time they shall call Jerusalem the throne of the LORD; and all the nations shall be gathered unto it, to the name of the LORD, to Jerusalem: neither shall they walk any more after the imagination of their evil heart.
Peace brother…
Hi Abe.
Do you think that this is still to come?
Hi 2b,Rev.22:3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
Peace brother.
Hi Abe.
But what does that have to do with the comforter?
The Spirit was poured out on the day of Pentecost.
So how is that something future or in what way are you connecting it with (heavenly?) Jerusalem?Thanks Abe.
Hi 2b,Remember the Bride? Wife?
Peace brother.
Okay Mike I went through your post and have answered everything as best I can.
Quote 1. And the Word was a god: (Is 9:6, Heb 1:8-9, etc.) False JW translation.
Quote 2. He was with God in the beginning: (John 17:5) “He” is not in the Greek.
Quote 3. All things were made through him: (Col 1:16, 1 Cor 8:6, Heb 1:2) All things were made through God's word
“the Spirit of God was moving over the face of the waters.
And God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light.”Col 1:16, 1 Cor 8:6, Heb 1:2 has been analyzed.
Quote 4. In him was life, and that life was the light of men: (John 5:26, John 8:12) In Him was light and in Him was life because God was in Him.
Quote 5. The light shines in the darkness: (Matthew 4:16; John 3:19; 2 Corinthians 4:6)
6. John the Baptist came as a witness to testify concerning that light: (John 1:29-34; 3:26; 5:32-36)Yes. God's light shines in the darkness and God's light shone through Jesus. Those who are with God are in coninual light (The continual day – Zachariah 14).
Quote 7. The true light that gives light to every man was coming into the world: (Isaiah 42:6-7; John 3:19, 9:5, 12:35-36, 46; Luke 1:78-79) God was coming into the world through Jesus.
Quote 8. Though he was in the world, the world did not recognize him: (Isaiah 53:3, John 4:10, Acts 13:27, John 12:37-38, 1 John 3:1)
9. He came to that which was his own: (Col 1:16; Matt 11:27; John 3:35, 13:3, 16:15; Eph 1:10; Heb 1:2)
10. but his own did not receive him: (Luke 9:53; John 5:43; Acts 13:46)“If you have seen me, you have seen the Father”
Quote 11. to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God: (Acts 4:12; John 3:14-16; Gal 3:26; Heb 2:10; Eph 1:5) Yahshua/Yeshua – Yah saves.
Quote 12. The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us: (1 John 1:1-2, 4:2; Phil 2:6-7; Rom 8:3; Gal 4:4-5) God's word was manifested in the flesh (A body you have prepared for me) through the Holy Spirit.
Quote 13. We have seen his glory, the glory of the only begotten: (John 1:18, 3:16-18; 1 John 4:9)
14. who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.: (John 1:16, 14:6; Luke 2:40; Romans 1:5)I have explained the use of Monogenes and Gennáō
“The Word became flesh and lived among us. We gazed on his glory, the kind of glory that belongs to the Father’s unique Son, who is full of grace and truth.” John 1:14 (ISV)
Jesus was full of grace and truth. Jesus had the Holy Spirit without measure.
Quote 15. John testified concerning him.: (Mark 1:7-8; John 1:32, 34; John 3:26; John 5:32-33; John 10:41) Moving on…………….
He cried out, saying, “This is the one I spoke about when I said, ‘He who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.’”
Supporting scriptures:
John 1
29 The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!30 This is the one I meant when I said, ‘A man who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.’
He WAS before John because God knows everything that happens before it happens, and Jesus was higher than John.
Or maybe somebody who knows more than me could say more or different.Okay,
I am being a hypocrite now because I told somebody that i was sick of the Greek (studies). Anyway:emprosthen: before, in front of (in place or time)
Original Word: ἔμπροσθεν
Part of Speech: Adverb; Preposition
Transliteration: emprosthen
Phonetic Spelling: (em'-pros-then)
Short Definition: in front, before the face
Definition: in front, before the face; sometimes made a subst. by the addition of the article: in front of, before the face of.ahead (5), before (28), front (4), higher rank (2), presence (4), sight (3).
continued…
1473 [e]mouμουof me
1096 [e]gegonenγέγονενhas,3754 [e]hotiὅτιbecause
4413 [e]prōtosπρῶτόςbefore
1510 [e]ēnἦνhe was.Maybe you could study that more.
Quote John 3
28 You yourselves can testify that I said, ‘I am not the Messiah but am sent ahead of him.30 He must become greater; I must become less.
Micah 5:2
“But you, Bethlehem………… out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times.”And here is the Hebrew:
http://interlinearbible.org/micah/5-2.htm
http://biblos.com/micah/5-2.htm3318 [e]yê·ṣê,יֵצֵ֔אwill go
1961 [e]lih·yō·wṯלִֽהְי֥וֹתbecome
4910 [e]mō·wō·šêlמוֹשֵׁ֖לto be ruler
3478 [e]bə·yiś·rā·’êl;בְּיִשְׂר
ָאֵ֑לIsrael
4163 [e]ū·mō·w·ṣā·’ō·ṯāwוּמוֹצָאֹתָ֥יוhis goings
6924 [e]miq·qe·ḏemמִקֶּ֖דֶםlong
3117 [e]mî·mêמִימֵ֥יthe days
5769 [e]‘ō·w·lām.עוֹלָֽם׃of eternityYes, Jesus and His kingdom will be eternal. (Please read Daniel chapter 7 which goes into much more detail).
Quote (abe @ Mar. 27 2013,10:45) Hi 2b, What happened to the Shepard thread?
Peace brother.
Hi Abe, the Shepherd thread, I forgot about that, sorry. Umm…Quote (abe @ Mar. 27 2013,10:31) Quote (2besee @ Mar. 26 2013,02:34) Quote (abe @ Mar. 26 2013,15:19) Quote (2besee @ Mar. 25 2013,14:36) Quote (abe @ Mar. 26 2013,08:38) Quote (2besee @ Mar. 25 2013,02:04) But the Comforter, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatever I have said to you.
John 14:2618 I will not leave you Comfortless: I will come to you.
John 14:18Please, someone with some wisdom help me to solve this.
I can't piece it together.
Hi 2b,Past? Present? Future?
Jesus living? Jesus died? Jesus now? Jesus future?
Jesus future.
Jer.3:17 At that time they shall call Jerusalem the throne of the LORD; and all the nations shall be gathered unto it, to the name of the LORD, to Jerusalem: neither shall they walk any more after the imagination of their evil heart.
Peace brother…
Hi Abe.
Do you think that this is still to come?
Hi 2b,Rev.22:3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
Peace brother.
Hi Abe.
But what does that have to do with the comforter?
The Spirit was poured out on the day of Pentecost.
So how is that something future or in what way are you connecting it with (heavenly?) Jerusalem?Thanks Abe.
Hi 2b,
Remember the Bride? Wife?
Peace brother.
Abe, I wish you would say more
I am not that brainy, trust me!Quote (2besee @ Mar. 27 2013,02:52) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 27 2013,04:34) Quote (2besee @ Mar. 26 2013,16:26) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 26 2013,14:01) Quote (2besee @ Mar. 26 2013,04:38) Quote (2besee @ Mar. 26 2013,11:25) Quote Jesus had both his own and God's which is why he stated “not as I will but as you will”. God's Spirit is later called by Jesus' name. I can think of two different reasons why to do that.
Kerwin, please say more.
What are the two reasons?
So is the spirit now called Jesus.2besee,
1 Jesus lives by God's Spirit.
2 Jesus sends it.The Spirit is called Christ.
The new man seems a better one to be called Jesus Christ.
Kerwin,
okay. I kind of hear what you are saying..2besee,
Just let me know how you kind of understand and I will try to be more understandable.
Kerwin, No, I get you now. I was half asleep last night.The Spirit is called Christ, and the new man is called Jesus Christ.
Yes I understand that much if that is what you are meaning.
Jesus Christ is in Heaven with the Father and the Christ/Holy Spirit is here.
The Christ/Holy Spirit is a part of God.
Is that what you are saying, and do I have the rest right, IYO?
2beesee,yes.
Quote (abe @ Mar. 26 2013,13:31) Hi Abe.
But what does that have to do with the comforter?
The Spirit was poured out on the day of Pentecost.
So how is that something future or in what way are you connecting it with (heavenly?) Jerusalem?Thanks Abe.[/quote]
Hi 2b,Remember the Bride? Wife?
Peace brother.
Hi 2b,I think I found them.
How Christianity Began.
Gal.3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the Promises made. He said not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to your seed, which is Christ.
Rom.9:8 That is, it is not the children of the flesh that are children of God; but the children of the PROMISE are counted for the seed.
Gal.4:26 But the Jerusalem above is free; she is our Mother.
Acts2:32 This Jesus, did God raise up, whereof we all are witnesses.
33Being therefore by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the PROMISE of the Holy Spirit, he hath poured forth this, which ye see and hear.2:36 Let all the house of Israel therefore know assuredly, that God hath MADE him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom ye crucified.
Jn.1:29 The next day John sees Jesus coming to him, and said, Behold the Lamb of God, which takes away the sin of the world.
30This is he of whom I said, After me comes a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me.
31And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water.
32 And John bore record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it stayed on him.
33And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said to me, On whom you shall see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizes with the Holy Ghost
:34 And I saw, and bore record that this is the Son of God.Jn.3:27 John(Baptist) answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven.
28You yourselves bear me witness, that I said, I am not the Christ, but that I am sent before him.
29He that HAS the BRIDE is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which stands and hears him, rejoices greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled.
30He must increase, but I must decrease.He did not have the power to GIVE the Spirit to others until after his death.
Jn.16:5 “But now I am going to Him who sent Me; and none of you asks Me, 'Where are You going?'
6″But because I have said these things to you, sorrow has filled your heart.
7″But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you.Jn.14:18 I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.
Acts2:32 This Jesus, has God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having RECEIVED of the Father the PROMISE of the Holy Spirit, he has shed forth this, which you now see and hear.Phl.2:8 And being found in fashion as a man,(Jesus) he humbled himself, and became obedient to death, even the death of the cross.
9Why God also has highly exalted him, and GIVEN him a Name which is ABOVE every Name:
10That at the Name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is LORD, to the glory of God the Father.Baptism of Jesus
(1) Bride Rev.21:2 And I John saw the holy city, NEW Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a BRIDE adorned for her husband. 3And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is WITH men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
After Jesus Death
(2) Wife
Rev.21:9 And there came to me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come here, I will show you the bride, the WIFE of the Lamb.
10And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me that great city, the Holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God.
11HAVING the Glory of God. Her brilliance was like a very costly stone, as a stone of crystal-clear jasper.
22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God the Almighty, and the Lamb, are the TEMPLE thereof.
23And the city hath no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine upon it: for the Glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamp thereof is the Lamb.
24And the nations shall walk amidst the light thereof: and the kings of the earth bring their glory into it.
25And the gates thereof shall in no wise be shut by day (for there shall be no night there):
26and they shall bring the glory and the honor of the nations into it:
27and there shall in no wise enter into it anything unclean, or he that maketh an abomination and a lie: but only they that are written in the Lamb's book of life.Bride
2Cor.1:21-22 Now it is God who makes both us and you stand firm in Christ. He anointed us, set his Seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.
Deposit is the Bride. To come is the Wife.
New Jerusalem Holy JerusalemRom.8:22 We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time.
23Not only so, but we ourselves, who HAVE the FIRSTFRUITS of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption to sonship, the redemption of our bodies.Gal.4:19 (Paul) My dear children, for whom I am again in the pains of childbirth until Christ is formed in you,
2Cor.5:17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come
Eph.2:4 But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy,
5made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved.
6And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus,Col.2:12 having been buried with Him in baptism, in which you were also raised up with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead.
Peace brother…
Hi Abe.
Quote Jn.3:27 John(Baptist) answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven.
28You yourselves bear me witness, that I said, I am not the Christ, but that I am sent before him.
29He that HAS the BRIDE is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which stands and hears him, rejoices greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled.
30He must increase, but I must decrease.The Spirit and the man,
The Spirit is the bride
Jesus is the bridegroom?Quote Jn.16:5 “But now I am going to Him who sent Me; and none of you asks Me, 'Where are You going?'
6″But because I have said these things to you, sorrow has filled your heart.
7″But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you.So that is Jesus speaking.
Quote Jn.14:18 I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. That is the Spirit speaking.
Quote Baptism of Jesus (1) Bride Rev.21:2 And I John saw the holy city, NEW Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a BRIDE adorned for her husband. 3And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is WITH men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
I see that now.
That is past and present?Quote After Jesus Death (2) Wife
Rev.21:9 And there came to me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come here, I will show you the bride, the WIFE of the Lamb.
10And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me that great city, the Holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God.
11HAVING the Glory of God. Her brilliance was like a very costly stone, as a stone of crystal-clear jasper.
22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God the Almighty, and the Lamb, are the TEMPLE thereof.
23And the city hath no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine upon it: for the Glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamp thereof is the Lamb.
24And the nations shall walk amidst the light thereof: and the kings of the earth bring their glory into it.
25And the gates thereof shall in no wise be shut by day (for there shall be no night there):
26and they shall bring the glory and the honor of the nations into it:
27and there shall in no wise enter into it anything unclean, or he that maketh an abomination and a lie: but only they that are written in the Lamb's book of life.Past and Present?
Okay I'll pause it there and continue with the rest of your post tomorrow,okay.
Thanks.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 19 2013,23:03) Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 18 2013,22:52) I can show you scriptures that speak of YHVH and also scriptures where the exact things are said of Jesus.
And I can show you where those things can be, and are, said of others besides Jesus and his God, Jehovah. But this is not the thread for it.The point of my exercise is that ALL of the things said about the Word in John 1 are also said about Jesus in other scriptures. That isn't the case with “the Most High God” and “the Son of the Most High God”, is it?
After one more addition to my list, I will begin the process again to see if all of those same things can be said about God Himself, or about “the Holy Spirit Son of God”. If you would like to join in with scriptures or insights that either support or rebut my claims, feel free. But I would rather not have this turn into yet another “Jesus is God Almighty” discussion. There are already enough threads for that purpose, right?
Mike,
you asked:Quote ALL of the things said about the Word in John 1 are also said about Jesus in other scriptures. That isn't the case with “the Most High God” and “the Son of the Most High God”, is it? In some verses it is.
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