How many thrones are there in heaven?

[Spock]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 22 2013,10:25)

Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 21 2013,10:57) The purpose is to create another gospel, and another Jesus. To confuse the seekers. Agreed. Galatians 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! EVEN AN ANGEL, Colter.

LOL! Paul preached a different Gospel himself.

That dog won't hunt!

Colter

[abe]

Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 19 2013,17:38)

Quote (abe @ Aug. 20 2013,08:12) Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 19 2013,05:09) Revelation4:2. And immediately I was *in the spirit*. And behold; **A THRONE** was set in heaven,and *ONE* sat on the throne. Revelation5:6 And I beheld,and lo; **IN THE MIDS OF THE THRONE**,and of the four beast,and in the mids of the Elders *STOOD A LAMB*,as it hath been slain having seven horns and seven eyes,which are the seven spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.(THE LAMB WITH THE SEVEN SPIRITS OF GOD). ONE THRONE,AND THE LAMB IS IN THE MIDS OF THE THRONE. AS JESUS HAS TOLD US; I AM *IN* THE FATHER, AND THE FATHER IS *IN* ME. JOHN17:8.—-*I CAME OUT FROM THEE*,—– VERSE 21. THAT THEY MAY BE ONE: AS THOU FATHER ARE *IN ME*,AND I *IN THEE*,THAT THEY ALSO MAYBE *ONE IN US*:THAT THE WORLD MAY BELIEVE THAT THOU HAS SENT ME. THIS MAKES IT GOD ALL IN ALL. DONT FORGET WE ARE SPEAKING OF THE SPIRIT WORLD HERE; NOT THE MATERIAL WORLD. JUST REMEMBER THE MAN POSSESSED BY A LEGION OF SPIRITS? THIS IS JUST TO HELP YOU COMPREHEND THE SPIRIT WORLD. ONES ALL HIS CHILDREN ARE MADE HOLY;GOD WILL BE ALL IN ALL. wakeup. Hi Wakeup, Is.66:1   Thus says the LORD, “Heaven is My throne and the earth is My footstool. Where then is a house you could build for Me? And where is a place that I may rest? Heaven is My throne Ez.1:26   And above the firmament that [was] over their heads [was] the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne [was] the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it. Gen.1:8   And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. Revelation4:2. And immediately I was *in the spirit*. And behold; **A THRONE** was set in heaven,and *ONE* sat on the throne. (Topic) How many Thrones are in Heaven? I see Two Thrones,one for the Son and One for the Father. (Quote) DONT FORGET WE ARE SPEAKING OF THE SPIRIT WORLD HERE; NOT THE MATERIAL WORLD. Ez.1:26   And above the firmament that [was] over their heads [was] the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne [was] the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it. and upon the likeness of the throne [was] the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it. appearance of a   #Man   above upon it. Strongs #120……Same as Adam. Peace. Abe. Where there is Gods throne shown;the four beasts are also there. Rev 5:6. and in the *MIDS* OF THE THRONE AND THE FOUR BEAST— It is the same throne. wakeup.

Hi Wakeup,

Rev,20:11   And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Who is sitting on this Throne?

Peace…

[Wakeup]

Quote (abe @ Aug. 22 2013,18:35)

Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 19 2013,17:38) Quote (abe @ Aug. 20 2013,08:12) Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 19 2013,05:09) Revelation4:2. And immediately I was *in the spirit*. And behold; **A THRONE** was set in heaven,and *ONE* sat on the throne. Revelation5:6 And I beheld,and lo; **IN THE MIDS OF THE THRONE**,and of the four beast,and in the mids of the Elders *STOOD A LAMB*,as it hath been slain having seven horns and seven eyes,which are the seven spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.(THE LAMB WITH THE SEVEN SPIRITS OF GOD). ONE THRONE,AND THE LAMB IS IN THE MIDS OF THE THRONE. AS JESUS HAS TOLD US; I AM *IN* THE FATHER, AND THE FATHER IS *IN* ME. JOHN17:8.—-*I CAME OUT FROM THEE*,—– VERSE 21. THAT THEY MAY BE ONE: AS THOU FATHER ARE *IN ME*,AND I *IN THEE*,THAT THEY ALSO MAYBE *ONE IN US*:THAT THE WORLD MAY BELIEVE THAT THOU HAS SENT ME. THIS MAKES IT GOD ALL IN ALL. DONT FORGET WE ARE SPEAKING OF THE SPIRIT WORLD HERE; NOT THE MATERIAL WORLD. JUST REMEMBER THE MAN POSSESSED BY A LEGION OF SPIRITS? THIS IS JUST TO HELP YOU COMPREHEND THE SPIRIT WORLD. ONES ALL HIS CHILDREN ARE MADE HOLY;GOD WILL BE ALL IN ALL. wakeup. Hi Wakeup, Is.66:1   Thus says the LORD, “Heaven is My throne and the earth is My footstool. Where then is a house you could build for Me? And where is a place that I may rest? Heaven is My throne Ez.1:26   And above the firmament that [was] over their heads [was] the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne [was] the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it. Gen.1:8   And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. Revelation4:2. And immediately I was *in the spirit*. And behold; **A THRONE** was set in heaven,and *ONE* sat on the throne. (Topic) How many Thrones are in Heaven? I see Two Thrones,one for the Son and One for the Father. (Quote) DONT FORGET WE ARE SPEAKING OF THE SPIRIT WORLD HERE; NOT THE MATERIAL WORLD. Ez.1:26   And above the firmament that [was] over their heads [was] the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne [was] the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it. and upon the likeness of the throne [was] the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it. appearance of a   #Man   above upon it. Strongs #120……Same as Adam. Peace. Abe. Where there is Gods throne shown;the four beasts are also there. Rev 5:6. and in the *MIDS* OF THE THRONE AND THE FOUR BEAST— It is the same throne. wakeup. Hi Wakeup, Rev,20:11   And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. Who is sitting on this Throne? Peace…

Hi Abe.

Good question:

Since *God himself*had destroyed satan in the war of Gog and Magog,it would be fair to say that from then on
God has taken over cotrol. For Jesus time limit to rule is 1000years.

The great white throne would be Gods throne.and God is judging all the generations of all religions and tongues.
The final judgement,the sheep put on the right and the goats on the left.This judgement is according to their works what is written in the book of life.

The sheep will be changed.
Then the earth will be renewed.

wakeup.

**************

Your previous question; heaven is my
throne, and the earth is my footstool.

We should be able to see that God is speaking symbolically here. For there are more planets then just the one earth as his footstool.

wakeup.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 22 2013,22:07)

Quote (abe @ Aug. 22 2013,18:35) Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 19 2013,17:38) Quote (abe @ Aug. 20 2013,08:12) Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 19 2013,05:09) Revelation4:2. And immediately I was *in the spirit*. And behold; **A THRONE** was set in heaven,and *ONE* sat on the throne. Revelation5:6 And I beheld,and lo; **IN THE MIDS OF THE THRONE**,and of the four beast,and in the mids of the Elders *STOOD A LAMB*,as it hath been slain having seven horns and seven eyes,which are the seven spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.(THE LAMB WITH THE SEVEN SPIRITS OF GOD). ONE THRONE,AND THE LAMB IS IN THE MIDS OF THE THRONE. AS JESUS HAS TOLD US; I AM *IN* THE FATHER, AND THE FATHER IS *IN* ME. JOHN17:8.—-*I CAME OUT FROM THEE*,—– VERSE 21. THAT THEY MAY BE ONE: AS THOU FATHER ARE *IN ME*,AND I *IN THEE*,THAT THEY ALSO MAYBE *ONE IN US*:THAT THE WORLD MAY BELIEVE THAT THOU HAS SENT ME. THIS MAKES IT GOD ALL IN ALL. DONT FORGET WE ARE SPEAKING OF THE SPIRIT WORLD HERE; NOT THE MATERIAL WORLD. JUST REMEMBER THE MAN POSSESSED BY A LEGION OF SPIRITS? THIS IS JUST TO HELP YOU COMPREHEND THE SPIRIT WORLD. ONES ALL HIS CHILDREN ARE MADE HOLY;GOD WILL BE ALL IN ALL. wakeup. Hi Wakeup, Is.66:1   Thus says the LORD, “Heaven is My throne and the earth is My footstool. Where then is a house you could build for Me? And where is a place that I may rest? Heaven is My throne Ez.1:26   And above the firmament that [was] over their heads [was] the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne [was] the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it. Gen.1:8   And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. Revelation4:2. And immediately I was *in the spirit*. And behold; **A THRONE** was set in heaven,and *ONE* sat on the throne. (Topic) How many Thrones are in Heaven? I see Two Thrones,one for the Son and One for the Father. (Quote) DONT FORGET WE ARE SPEAKING OF THE SPIRIT WORLD HERE; NOT THE MATERIAL WORLD. Ez.1:26   And above the firmament that [was] over their heads [was] the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne [was] the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it. and upon the likeness of the throne [was] the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it. appearance of a   #Man   above upon it. Strongs #120……Same as Adam. Peace. Abe. Where there is Gods throne shown;the four beasts are also there. Rev 5:6. and in the *MIDS* OF THE THRONE AND THE FOUR BEAST— It is the same throne. wakeup. Hi Wakeup, Rev,20:11   And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. Who is sitting on this Throne? Peace… Hi Abe. Good question: Since *God himself*had destroyed satan in the war of Gog and Magog,it would be fair to say that from then on God has taken over cotrol. For Jesus time limit to rule is 1000years. The great white throne would be Gods throne.and God is judging all the generations of all religions and tongues. The final judgement,the sheep put on the right and the goats on the left.This judgement is according to their works what is written in the book of life. The sheep will be changed. Then the earth will be renewed. wakeup.                            ************** Your previous question; heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool. We should be able to see that God is speaking symbolically here. For there are more planets then just the one earth as his footstool. wakeup.

Saying: “We believe in the lord of the worlds,

( سورة الشعراء , Ash-Shuara, Chapter #26, Verse #47)

[Wakeup]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 22 2013,10:21)

Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 20 2013,18:16) NO; IT DOES NOT SAY 24 THRONES;BUT 24 SEATS. The Greek word is “thronos”, Wakeup.  It is the same word used twice in 3:21. I believe that God's throne, Jesus' throne, the thrones of the elders, and the 12 thrones of the Apostles are all in heaven right now as we speak. Jesus begins to reign from his own in heaven throne the minute Satan is thrown down to the earth. You don't have to agree with me.

Mike B.

Matthew 19:28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, **in the regeneration** **when** the Son of man *shall* sit in the throne of his glory, ye also *shall* sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

SHALL JUDGE THE 12 TRIBES OF ISRAEL.
FUTURE. IN THE KINGDOM COMING.

Luke 22:30 That ye may eat and drink at my table in **my kingdom**, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

MATT.25:31. *When* the son of man shall come in his glory,and all the holy angels with him,*THEN* shall he sit upon the *throne of his glory*.

We should not depend so much on the greek tranlations
because they also have not found the truth.
Proof: They all believe in the trinity.

You dont have to agree with me ,but agree with what the scriptures says.

Jesus did not rule in his throne the minute satan was thrown down to earth.
For God said: Sit thou on my right hand ;*UNTILL* I make your enemies your footstool.

wakeup.

[abe]

Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 22 2013,03:07)

Quote (abe @ Aug. 22 2013,18:35) Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 19 2013,17:38) Quote (abe @ Aug. 20 2013,08:12) Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 19 2013,05:09) Revelation4:2. And immediately I was *in the spirit*. And behold; **A THRONE** was set in heaven,and *ONE* sat on the throne. Revelation5:6 And I beheld,and lo; **IN THE MIDS OF THE THRONE**,and of the four beast,and in the mids of the Elders *STOOD A LAMB*,as it hath been slain having seven horns and seven eyes,which are the seven spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.(THE LAMB WITH THE SEVEN SPIRITS OF GOD). ONE THRONE,AND THE LAMB IS IN THE MIDS OF THE THRONE. AS JESUS HAS TOLD US; I AM *IN* THE FATHER, AND THE FATHER IS *IN* ME. JOHN17:8.—-*I CAME OUT FROM THEE*,—– VERSE 21. THAT THEY MAY BE ONE: AS THOU FATHER ARE *IN ME*,AND I *IN THEE*,THAT THEY ALSO MAYBE *ONE IN US*:THAT THE WORLD MAY BELIEVE THAT THOU HAS SENT ME. THIS MAKES IT GOD ALL IN ALL. DONT FORGET WE ARE SPEAKING OF THE SPIRIT WORLD HERE; NOT THE MATERIAL WORLD. JUST REMEMBER THE MAN POSSESSED BY A LEGION OF SPIRITS? THIS IS JUST TO HELP YOU COMPREHEND THE SPIRIT WORLD. ONES ALL HIS CHILDREN ARE MADE HOLY;GOD WILL BE ALL IN ALL. wakeup. Hi Wakeup, Is.66:1   Thus says the LORD, “Heaven is My throne and the earth is My footstool. Where then is a house you could build for Me? And where is a place that I may rest? Heaven is My throne Ez.1:26   And above the firmament that [was] over their heads [was] the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne [was] the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it. Gen.1:8   And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. Revelation4:2. And immediately I was *in the spirit*. And behold; **A THRONE** was set in heaven,and *ONE* sat on the throne. (Topic) How many Thrones are in Heaven? I see Two Thrones,one for the Son and One for the Father. (Quote) DONT FORGET WE ARE SPEAKING OF THE SPIRIT WORLD HERE; NOT THE MATERIAL WORLD. Ez.1:26   And above the firmament that [was] over their heads [was] the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne [was] the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it. and upon the likeness of the throne [was] the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it. appearance of a   #Man   above upon it. Strongs #120……Same as Adam. Peace. Abe. Where there is Gods throne shown;the four beasts are also there. Rev 5:6. and in the *MIDS* OF THE THRONE AND THE FOUR BEAST— It is the same throne. wakeup. Hi Wakeup, Rev,20:11   And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. *12*And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before the throne; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. Who is sitting on this Throne? Peace… Hi Abe. Good question: Since *God himself*had destroyed satan in the war of Gog and Magog,it would be fair to say that from then on God has taken over cotrol. For Jesus time limit to rule is 1000years. The great white throne would be Gods throne.and God is judging all the generations of all religions and tongues. The final judgement,the sheep put on the right and the goats on the left.This judgement is according to their works what is written in the book of life. The sheep will be changed. Then the earth will be renewed. wakeup.                            ************** Your previous question; heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool. We should be able to see that God is speaking symbolically here. For there are more planets then just the one earth as his footstool. wakeup.

Hi Wakeup,

(Quote)
The great white throne would be Gods throne.and God is judging all the generations of all religions and tongues.

Jn.5:22   “For not even the Father judges anyone, but He *Has given*   All  Judgment to the Son,
23  so that all will honor the Son even as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.

Jn.12:47  “If anyone hears My sayings and does not keep them, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world. 48″He who rejects Me and does not receive My sayings, has one who judges him; the *Word*  I spoke  is what will Judge him at the last day.

Acts17:29   “Being then the children of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, an image formed by the art and  Thought  of  Man. 30“Therefore having overlooked the times of ignorance, God is now declaring to men that all people everywhere should repent,
31because He has fixed a day in which He will judge the world in righteousness  through(in)  a  *Man*  whom He has appointed, having furnished proof to all men by raising Him from the dead.”

“For not even the Father judges anyone,but He *Has given*   All  Judgment to the Son,

(Quote)
Your previous question; heaven is my
throne, and the earth is my footstool.

We should be able to see that God is speaking *symbolically* here. For there are more planets then just the one earth as his footstool.

*symbolically*

14   Then God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night, and let them be for ‘signs’  and  for ‘seasons' and for ‘days' and ‘years';
15  and let them be for lights in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth”; and it was so.
16  God made the two great lights, the greater light to govern the day, and the lesser light to govern the night; [He made] the   Stars   also.
17  God placed them in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth,
18  and to govern the day and the night, and to separate the light from the darkness; and God saw that it was good.
19   There was evening and there was morning, a  Fourth  Day.

[He made] the   Stars   also.

*I edited R
ev.20:12*

Peace………

[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (abe @ Aug. 23 2013,04:22)

Jn.5:22   “For not even the Father judges anyone, but He *Has given*   All  Judgment to the Son, 23  so that all will honor the Son even as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him. Jn.12:47  “If anyone hears My sayings and does not keep them, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world. 48″He who rejects Me and does not receive My sayings, has one who judges him; the *Word*  I spoke  is what will Judge him at the last day. Acts17:29   “Being then the children of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, an image formed by the art and  Thought  of  Man. 30“Therefore having overlooked the times of ignorance, God is now declaring to men that all people everywhere should repent, 31because He has fixed a day in which He will judge the world in righteousness  through(in)  a  *Man*  whom He has appointed, having furnished proof to all men by raising Him from the dead.” “For not even the Father judges anyone,but He *Has given*   All  Judgment to the Son,

Abe…..Good Post, your point on Judgment being “GIVEN” To Jesus, in the sense of his ability to Judge in God place, I believe is right Brother. God did give Jesus that ability . IMO

peace and love to you and your……………………………gene

[Wakeup]

Quote (abe @ Aug. 23 2013,04:22)

Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 22 2013,03:07) Quote (abe @ Aug. 22 2013,18:35) Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 19 2013,17:38) Quote (abe @ Aug. 20 2013,08:12) Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 19 2013,05:09) Revelation4:2. And immediately I was *in the spirit*. And behold; **A THRONE** was set in heaven,and *ONE* sat on the throne. Revelation5:6 And I beheld,and lo; **IN THE MIDS OF THE THRONE**,and of the four beast,and in the mids of the Elders *STOOD A LAMB*,as it hath been slain having seven horns and seven eyes,which are the seven spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.(THE LAMB WITH THE SEVEN SPIRITS OF GOD). ONE THRONE,AND THE LAMB IS IN THE MIDS OF THE THRONE. AS JESUS HAS TOLD US; I AM *IN* THE FATHER, AND THE FATHER IS *IN* ME. JOHN17:8.—-*I CAME OUT FROM THEE*,—– VERSE 21. THAT THEY MAY BE ONE: AS THOU FATHER ARE *IN ME*,AND I *IN THEE*,THAT THEY ALSO MAYBE *ONE IN US*:THAT THE WORLD MAY BELIEVE THAT THOU HAS SENT ME. THIS MAKES IT GOD ALL IN ALL. DONT FORGET WE ARE SPEAKING OF THE SPIRIT WORLD HERE; NOT THE MATERIAL WORLD. JUST REMEMBER THE MAN POSSESSED BY A LEGION OF SPIRITS? THIS IS JUST TO HELP YOU COMPREHEND THE SPIRIT WORLD. ONES ALL HIS CHILDREN ARE MADE HOLY;GOD WILL BE ALL IN ALL. wakeup. Hi Wakeup, Is.66:1   Thus says the LORD, “Heaven is My throne and the earth is My footstool. Where then is a house you could build for Me? And where is a place that I may rest? Heaven is My throne Ez.1:26   And above the firmament that [was] over their heads [was] the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne [was] the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it. Gen.1:8   And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. Revelation4:2. And immediately I was *in the spirit*. And behold; **A THRONE** was set in heaven,and *ONE* sat on the throne. (Topic) How many Thrones are in Heaven? I see Two Thrones,one for the Son and One for the Father. (Quote) DONT FORGET WE ARE SPEAKING OF THE SPIRIT WORLD HERE; NOT THE MATERIAL WORLD. Ez.1:26   And above the firmament that [was] over their heads [was] the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne [was] the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it. and upon the likeness of the throne [was] the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it. appearance of a   #Man   above upon it. Strongs #120……Same as Adam. Peace. Abe. Where there is Gods throne shown;the four beasts are also there. Rev 5:6. and in the *MIDS* OF THE THRONE AND THE FOUR BEAST— It is the same throne. wakeup. Hi Wakeup, Rev,20:11   And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. *12*And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before the throne; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. Who is sitting on this Throne? Peace… Hi Abe. Good question: Since *God himself*had destroyed satan in the war of Gog and Magog,it would be fair to say that from then on God has taken over cotrol. For Jesus time limit to rule is 1000years. The great white throne would be Gods throne.and God is judging all the generations of all religions and tongues. The final judgement,the sheep put on the right and the goats on the left.This judgement is according to their works what is written in the book of life. The sheep will be changed. Then the earth will be renewed. wakeup.                            ************** Your previous question; heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool. We should be able to see that God is speaking symbolically here. For there are more planets then just the one earth as his footstool. wakeup. Hi Wakeup, (Quote) The great white throne would be Gods throne.and God is judging all the generations of all religions and tongues. Jn.5:22   “For not even the Father judges anyone, but He *Has given*   All  Judgment to the Son, 23  so that all will honor the Son even as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him. Jn.12:47  “If anyone hears My sayings and does not keep them, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world. 48″He who rejects Me and does not receive My sayings, has one who judges him; the *Word*  I spoke  is what will Judge him at the last day. Acts17:29   “Being then the children of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, an image formed by the art and  Thought  of  Man. 30“Therefore having overlooked the times of ignorance, God is now declaring to men that all people everywhere should repent, 31because He has fixed a day in which He will judge the world in righteousness  through(in)  a  *Man*  whom He has appointed, having furnished proof to all men by raising Him from the dead.” “For not even the Father judges anyone,but He *Has given*   All  Judgment to the Son, (Quote) Your previous question; heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool. We should be able to see that God is speaking *symbolically* here. For there are more planets then just the one earth as his footstool. *symbolically* 14   Then God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night, and let them be for ‘signs’  and  for ‘seasons' and for ‘days' and ‘years'; 15  and let them be for lights in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth”; and it was so. 16  God made the two great lights, the greater light to govern the day, and the lesser light to govern the night; [He made] the   Stars   also. 17  God placed them in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth, 18  and to govern the day and the n ight, and to separate the light from the darkness; and God saw that it was good. 19   There was evening and there was morning, a  Fourth  Day. [He made] the   Stars   also. *I edited Rev.20:12* Peace………

Hi Abe.

You could be right,and I could be right
The white throne judgement
*could be* Jesus judging.
Not enough info here.

wakeup.

[abe]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 22 2013,09:40)

Quote (abe @ Aug. 23 2013,04:22) Jn.5:22   “For not even the Father judges anyone, but He *Has given*   All  Judgment to the Son, 23  so that all will honor the Son even as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him. Jn.12:47  “If anyone hears My sayings and does not keep them, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world. 48″He who rejects Me and does not receive My sayings, has one who judges him; the *Word*  I spoke  is what will Judge him at the last day. Acts17:29   “Being then the children of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, an image formed by the art and  Thought  of  Man. 30“Therefore having overlooked the times of ignorance, God is now declaring to men that all people everywhere should repent, 31because He has fixed a day in which He will judge the world in righteousness  through(in)  a  *Man*  whom He has appointed, having furnished proof to all men by raising Him from the dead.” “For not even the Father judges anyone,but He *Has given*   All  Judgment to the Son, Abe…..Good Post, your point on Judgment  being “GIVEN” To Jesus,  in the sense of his ability to Judge in God place, I believe is right Brother. God did give Jesus that ability . IMO peace and love to you and your……………………………gene

Hi Gene,

Thanks.

Here’s the hard one?

Col.3:15   And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful.
16  Let the  Word of Christ  dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.
17  And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by(through) him.

*Word of Christ*

Peace brother……………………

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 22 2013,06:09)

Luke 22:30   That ye may eat and drink at my table in **my kingdom**, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

John 14
2 “My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you?

3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am.

4 You know the way to the place where I am going.”

The only place Jesus went was to heaven.  It is there that he prepared a place for the 12.  It is there where their thrones are.

John 17:24
Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world.

Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 22 2013,06:09)

Matthew 19:28   And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, **in the regeneration** **when** the Son of man *shall* sit in the throne of his glory, ye also *shall* sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. Jesus did not rule in his throne the minute satan was thrown down to earth. For God said: Sit thou on my right hand ;*UNTILL* I make your enemies your footstool.

1 Corinthians 15:25
For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet.

Revelation 12:10
Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say: “Now have come………. the authority of his Messiah. For the accuser of our brothers and sisters, who accuses them before our God day and night, has been hurled down.

Jesus reigns until those enemies are put at his feet AND destroyed. His authority (reign) began when Satan was hurled down – if in fact that has already happened.

We are apparently understanding things differently, Wakeup.  I'm okay with that.

[Wakeup]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 23 2013,09:15)

Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 22 2013,06:09) Luke 22:30   That ye may eat and drink at my table in **my kingdom**, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel. John 14 2 “My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. 4 You know the way to the place where I am going.” The only place Jesus went was to heaven.  It is there that he prepared a place for the 12.  It is there where their thrones are. John 17:24 Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world. Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 22 2013,06:09) Matthew 19:28   And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, **in the regeneration** **when** the Son of man *shall* sit in the throne of his glory, ye also *shall* sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. Jesus did not rule in his throne the minute satan was thrown down to earth. For God said: Sit thou on my right hand ;*UNTILL* I make your enemies your footstool. 1 Corinthians 15:25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. Revelation 12:10 Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say: “Now have come………. the authority of his Messiah. For the accuser of our brothers and sisters, who accuses them before our God day and night, has been hurled down. Jesus reigns until those enemies are put at his feet AND destroyed.  His authority (reign) began when Satan was hurled down – if in fact that has already happened. We are apparently understanding things differently, Wakeup.  I'm okay with that.

Hi MikeB.

We are discussing scriptures and thats is most important.
You seem to believe that Jesus kingdom is here on earth for 2000yrs now.

John 14
2 “My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you?
THE KJV SAYS MANSION,THAT COULD BE DIMENSIONS.
ROOMS IN HEAVEN? DONT SOUND TOO GOOD.

3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am.

JESUS SAID THIS TO HIS APOSTLS *BEFORE* HE WAS CRUSIFIED. AFTER HE WAS RESURRECTED,HE STAYED
40 DAYS ON EARTH. HE WENT UP TO HEAVEN,AND THE APOSTLES STAYED ON EARTH TO TEACH THE GOSPEL FOR ANOTHER 40/50 YEARS.

THE WAR IN HEAVEN IN REV12.HAPPENED SOON AFTER JESUS WAS TAKEN UP TO HEAVEN. SATAN AND HIS ANGELS WERE NOT DESTROYED IN THAT WAR.

REV.12—THE CHILD WAS CAUGHT UP UNTO GOD
VERSE. 7.–AND THERE WAS WAR *IN HEAVEN*.–
VERSE. 12 *WOE* TO THE INHABITERS OF THE EARTH
THE DEVIL HAS COME DOWN TO YOU HAVING GREAT WRATH. DOES NOT LOOK LIKE A KINGDOM BEING SET UP DOES IT?

4 You know the way to the place where I am going.”

The only place Jesus went was to heaven. It is there that he prepared a place for the 12. It is there where their thrones are.

THERE ARE NOW 24 ELDERS IN HEAVEN NOT JUST 12.
IN REV.4:4 IS SAYS SEATS: BUT THEY HAVE CROWNS OF GOLD?? MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THEY HAVE BEEN GIVEN AUTHORITY(CROWN), BUT ARE NOT RULING AS YET.
WHO ARE THEY RULING OVER? IF YOU SEE BELOW; THE DEVIL AND HIS ANGELS WERE CAST DOWN TO EARTH;AND *WOE* TO THE EARTH. THERE WILL BE NO WOE'S IN THE KINGDOM.

John 17:24
Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world.

AND THERE THEY ARE IN HEAVEN NOT ONLY THE 12 APOSTLES,BUT ALSO THE 12 PROPHETS.

Matthew 19:28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, **in the regeneration** **when** the Son of man *shall* sit in the throne of his glory, ye also *shall* sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

AT THE MOMENT,JESUS IS SITTING NEXT TO HIS FATHER.
AS YOU CAN SEE THE 12TRIBES OF ISRAEL IS NOT JUDGED YET.THIS WILL BE AT JUDGEMENT DAY.

Jesus did not rule in his throne the minute satan was thrown down to earth.
For God said: Sit thou on my right hand ;*UNTILL* I make your enemies your footstool.

NOTICE GOD SAID; *I* WILL MAKE YOUR ENEMIES YOUR FOOTSTOOL. THIS WILL BE AT THE SECOND COMING,FOR SATAN AND HIS ANGELS WILL NOT BE DESTROYED,BUT ONLY SATAN PUT IN PRISON.
CHRIST WILL RULE WITH A ROD OF IRON,HE WILL BE IN CHARGE.THEY WILL OBEY.

1 Corinthians 15:25
For he *must reign* until he has put all his enemies under his feet.
NOTICE HERE; IT SAYS HE *MUST REIGN* UNTILL *ALL* HIS ENEMIES UNDER HIS FEET.AT THE SECOND COMING
SATAN AND HIS ANGELS WILL BE SPARED FOR THE MOMENT,SO THE WORD *ALL*WILL NOT FIT IN WITH THE SECOND COMING.

*ALL* HIS ENEMIES WILL BE UNDER HIS FEET,INCLUDING SATAN AND HIS ANGELS,AND THIS WILL BE AFTER THE BATTLE OF GOG AND MAGOG AND JUST *BEFORE* THE SECOND JUDGEMENT,THE WHITE THRONE JUDGEMENT.

Revelation 12:10
Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say: “Now have come………. the authority of his Messiah. For the accuser of our brothers and sisters, who accuses them before our God day and night, has been hurled down.

THIS WAR WAS SOON AFTER JESUS WENT TO HEAVEN.
NOTICE: IN THAT WAR SATAN AND HIS ANGELS WERE NOT DESTROYED.THEY ARE STILL IN FULL OPERATION ON EARTH TODAY.THEY STILL HAVE SOME MORE WORK TO DO. DECEIVING THE NATIONS,BABYLON THE GREAT
SATANS WOMAN IS STILL SERVING HER CUP OF ABOMINATIONS AT THE MOMENT.

Jesus reigns until those enemies are put at his feet AND destroyed. His authority (reign) began when Satan was hurled down – if in fact that has already happened.

SATAN AND HIS ANGELS ARE NOT DESTROYED YET.
ONLY AFTER HIS 1000YR RULE *ALL* HIS ENEMIES WILL BE DESTROYED.FOR SATAN HAS SOME MORE WORK TO DO,DECEIVING THEM THAT REFUSE TO FOLLOW CHRIST
DURING THE 1000YRS. HE WILL BE LET LOOSE AFTER THE 1000YR PRISON.

We are apparently understanding things differently, Wakeup. I'm okay with that.

THAT IS WHAT WE ARE HERE FOR,WE ARE THINKING.
USING OUR BRAINS,NOT JUST FOLLOW LIKE SHEEP TO THE SLAUGHTER. YOU HAVE LEARNED HEAPS IN A SHORT TIME.

wakeup.

[abe]

Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 22 2013,23:27)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 23 2013,09:15) Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 22 2013,06:09) Luke 22:30   That ye may eat and drink at my table in **my kingdom**, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel. John 14 2 “My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. 4 You know the way to the place where I am going.” The only place Jesus went was to heaven.  It is there that he prepared a place for the 12.  It is there where their thrones are. John 17:24 Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world. Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 22 2013,06:09) Matthew 19:28   And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, **in the regeneration** **when** the Son of man *shall* sit in the throne of his glory, ye also *shall* sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. Jesus did not rule in his throne the minute satan was thrown down to earth. For God said: Sit thou on my right hand ;*UNTILL* I make your enemies your footstool. 1 Corinthians 15:25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. Revelation 12:10 Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say: “Now have come………. the authority of his Messiah. For the accuser of our brothers and sisters, who accuses them before our God day and night, has been hurled down. Jesus reigns until those enemies are put at his feet AND destroyed.  His authority (reign) began when Satan was hurled down – if in fact that has already happened. We are apparently understanding things differently, Wakeup.  I'm okay with that. Hi MikeB. We are discussing scriptures and thats is most important. You seem to believe that Jesus kingdom is here on earth for 2000yrs now. John 14 2 “My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? THE KJV SAYS MANSION,THAT COULD BE DIMENSIONS. ROOMS IN HEAVEN? DONT SOUND TOO GOOD. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. JESUS SAID THIS TO HIS APOSTLS *BEFORE* HE WAS CRUSIFIED. AFTER HE WAS RESURRECTED,HE STAYED 40 DAYS ON EARTH. HE WENT UP TO HEAVEN,AND THE APOSTLES STAYED ON EARTH TO TEACH THE GOSPEL FOR ANOTHER 40/50 YEARS. THE WAR IN HEAVEN IN REV12.HAPPENED SOON AFTER JESUS WAS TAKEN UP TO HEAVEN. SATAN AND HIS ANGELS WERE NOT DESTROYED IN THAT WAR. REV.12—THE CHILD WAS CAUGHT UP UNTO GOD VERSE. 7.–AND THERE WAS WAR *IN HEAVEN*.– VERSE. 12 *WOE* TO THE INHABITERS OF THE EARTH THE DEVIL HAS COME DOWN TO YOU HAVING GREAT WRATH. DOES NOT LOOK LIKE A KINGDOM BEING SET UP DOES IT? 4 You know the way to the place where I am going.” The only place Jesus went was to heaven.  It is there that he prepared a place for the 12.  It is there where their thrones are. THERE ARE NOW 24 ELDERS IN HEAVEN NOT JUST 12. IN REV.4:4 IS SAYS SEATS: BUT THEY HAVE CROWNS OF GOLD??   MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THEY HAVE BEEN GIVEN AUTHORITY(CROWN), BUT ARE NOT RULING AS YET. WHO ARE THEY RULING OVER? IF YOU SEE BELOW; THE DEVIL AND HIS ANGELS WERE CAST DOWN TO EARTH;AND *WOE* TO THE EARTH. THERE WILL BE NO WOE'S IN THE KINGDOM. John 17:24 Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world. AND THERE THEY ARE IN HEAVEN NOT ONLY THE 12 APOSTLES,BUT ALSO THE 12 PROPHETS. Matthew 19:28   And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, **in the regeneration** **when** the Son of man *shall* sit in the throne of his glory, ye also *shall* sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. AT THE MOMENT,JESUS IS SITTING NEXT TO HIS FATHER. AS YOU CAN SEE THE 12TRIBES OF ISRAEL  IS NOT JUDGED YET.THIS WILL BE AT JUDGEMENT DAY. Jesus did not rule in his throne the minute satan was thrown down to earth. For God said: Sit thou on my right hand ;*UNTILL* I make your enemies your footstool. NOTICE GOD SAID; *I* WILL MAKE YOUR ENEMIES YOUR FOOTSTOOL. THIS WILL BE AT THE SECOND COMING,FOR SATAN AND HIS ANGELS WILL NOT BE DESTROYED,BUT ONLY SATAN PUT IN PRISON. CHRIST WILL RULE WITH A ROD OF IRON,HE WILL BE IN CHARGE.THEY WILL OBEY. 1 Corinthians 15:25 For he *must reign* until he has put all his enemies under his feet. NOTICE HERE; IT SAYS HE *MUST REIGN* UNTILL *ALL* HIS ENEMIES UNDER HIS FEET.AT THE SECOND COMING SATAN AND HIS ANGELS WILL BE SPARED FOR THE MOMENT,SO THE WORD *ALL*WILL NOT FIT IN WITH THE SECOND COMING. *ALL* HIS ENEMIES WILL BE UNDER HIS FEET,INCLUDING SATAN AND HIS ANGELS,AND THIS WILL BE AFTER THE BATTLE OF GOG AND MAGOG AND JUST *BEFORE* THE SECOND JUDGEMENT,THE WHITE THRONE JUDGEMENT. Revelation 12:10 Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say: “Now have come………. the authority of his Messiah. For the accuser of our brothers and sisters, who accuses them before our God day and night, has been hurled down. THIS WAR WAS SOON AFTER JESUS WENT TO HEAVEN. NOTICE: IN THAT WAR SATAN AND HIS ANGELS WERE NOT DESTROYED.THEY ARE STILL IN FULL OPERATION ON EARTH TODAY.THEY STILL HAVE SOME MORE WORK TO DO. DECEIVING THE NATIONS,BABYLON THE GREAT SATANS WOMAN IS STILL SERVING HER CUP OF ABOMINATIONS AT THE MOMENT. Jesus reigns until those enemies are put at his feet AND destroyed.  His authority (reign) began when Satan was hurled down – if in fact that has already happened. SATAN AND HIS ANGELS ARE NOT DESTROYED YET. ONLY AFTER HIS 1000YR RULE *ALL* HIS ENEMIES WILL BE DESTROYED.FOR SATAN HAS SOME MORE WORK TO DO,DECEIVING THEM THAT REFUSE TO FOLLOW CHRIST DURING THE 1000YRS. HE WILL BE LET LOOSE AFTER THE 1000YR PRISON. We are apparently understanding things differently, Wakeup.  I'm okay with that. THAT IS WHAT WE ARE HERE FOR,WE ARE THINKING. USING OUR BRAINS,NOT JUST FOLLOW LIKE SHEEP TO THE SLAUGHTER. YOU HAVE LEARNED HEAPS IN A SHORT TIME. wakeup.

Hi Wakeup,

(Quote)
Revelation 12:10
Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say: “Now have come………. the authority of his Messiah. For the accuser of our brothers and sisters, who accuses them before our God day and night, has been hurled down

Lk.10:17   The seventy returned with joy, saying, “Lord,
even the demons are subject to us in Your name.”
18  And He said to them, “I was watching Satan fall from heaven like lightning.
19  “Behold,  I   'Have Given You'   Authority to tread on serpents and scorpions,  and  Over all the Power   of the enemy, and nothing will injure you.
20  “Nevertheless do not rejoice in this, that the spirits are ‘Subject’  to you, but rejoice that your names are recorded in heaven.”

18  And He said to them, “I was  ‘Watching’  Satan fall from heaven like lightning.

19  “Behold,  I   'Have Given You'   Authority to tread on serpents and scorpions,  and  Over all the Power   of the enemy, and nothing will injure you.

Rev.12:10………Is Past.

Peace……………………

[Wakeup]

Abe.

QUOTE:
Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say: “Now have come………. the authority of his Messiah. For the accuser of our brothers and sisters, who accuses them before our God day and night, has been hurled down.

—————————————————————–
AS SOON AS JESUS HAS CONQUERED DEATH ITSELF,
HE HAD *GIVEN THE AUTHORITY* TO CLEANED UP HEAVEN;ALL THAT DIRT HAS BEEN CAST ON EARTH. NOW EARTH HAS BECOME THE DEVILS HEADQUARTER.
—————————————————————–
QUOTE:
Lk.10:17 The seventy returned with joy, saying, “Lord, even the demons are subject to us in Your name.”
18 And He said to them, “I was watching Satan fall from heaven like lightning.

—————————————————————–
JESUS WAS PROPHESYING THE WAR IN HEAVEN SOON AFTER HIS RETURN TO HEAVEN.SATAN DID FALL,HE WAS CAST DOWN TO EARTH.THIS EARTH IS THE RUBBISH TIP FOR ALL EVIL. BUT THE SPIRITUALLY CLEAN ARE IN A SEPERATE PLACE(ZION);NOT BABYLON.
—————————————————————-

QUOTE:
19 “Behold, I 'Have Given You' Authority to tread on serpents and scorpions, and Over all the Power of the enemy, and nothing will injure you.
20 “Nevertheless do not rejoice in this, that the spirits are ‘Subject’ to you, but rejoice that your names are recorded in heaven.

—————————————————————–
*SERPENTS,AND SCORPIONS* ARE THE WICKED.
WHY SHOULD THEY BE GIVEN AUTHORITY TO TREAD ON PHYSICAL SERPENTS AND SCRORPIONS?WHAT IS THE PIONT? THAT AUTHORITY IS GIVEN TO ALL OF US IN THE DAY GOD CREATED US,BUT ALSO NOT TO CONFRONT THEM,AND GET HURT.

WITH THE SPIRIT OF JESUS INSIDE US; WE ALSO HAVE POWER TO REBUKE SPIRITS.AND THEY MUST OBEY.
A HATEFULL THING FOR THEM: FOR HAVING TO OBEY
TO FLESHLY CREATURES.SPIRITS BEING TOLD BY THE FLESH.
—————————————————————–

QUOTE:
18 And He said to them, “I was ‘Watching’ Satan fall from heaven like lightning.
19 “Behold, I 'Have Given You' Authority to tread on serpents and scorpions, and Over all the Power of the enemy, and nothing will injure you.

—————————————————————–
THE ENEMY CAN KILL OUR BODY,BUT CAN NOT TOUCH OUR SOULS.SATAN COULD TOUCH JOB'S BODY,BUT HE
COULD NOT TOUCH HIS SOUL. SATAN IS THE AXE,BUT GOD IS THE HAND HOLDING THE AXE.

wakeup.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 23 2013,01:27)

Hi MikeB. We are discussing scriptures and thats is most important.

Yep!  

Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 23 2013,01:27)

You seem to believe that Jesus kingdom is here on earth for 2000yrs now.

Nope.  I believe Jesus reigns at the right hand of God right now.  I believe his Apostles reign with him from heaven right now.  I believe this reign began the minute Satan was thrown out of heaven.

[abe]

Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 23 2013,13:02)

Abe. QUOTE: Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say: “Now have come………. the authority of his Messiah. For the accuser of our brothers and sisters, who accuses them before our God day and night, has been hurled down. —————————————————————– AS SOON AS JESUS HAS CONQUERED DEATH ITSELF, HE HAD *GIVEN THE AUTHORITY* TO CLEANED UP HEAVEN;ALL THAT DIRT HAS BEEN CAST ON EARTH. NOW EARTH HAS BECOME THE DEVILS HEADQUARTER. —————————————————————– QUOTE: Lk.10:17   The seventy returned with joy, saying, “Lord, even the demons are subject to us in Your name.” 18  And He said to them, “I was watching Satan fall from heaven like lightning. —————————————————————– JESUS WAS PROPHESYING THE WAR IN HEAVEN SOON AFTER HIS RETURN TO HEAVEN.SATAN DID FALL,HE WAS CAST DOWN TO EARTH.THIS EARTH IS THE RUBBISH TIP FOR ALL EVIL. BUT THE SPIRITUALLY CLEAN ARE IN A SEPERATE PLACE(ZION);NOT BABYLON. —————————————————————- QUOTE: 19  “Behold,  I   'Have Given You'   Authority to tread on serpents and scorpions,  and  Over all the Power   of the enemy, and nothing will injure you. 20  “Nevertheless do not rejoice in this, that the spirits are ‘Subject’  to you, but rejoice that your names are recorded in heaven. —————————————————————– *SERPENTS,AND SCORPIONS* ARE THE WICKED. WHY SHOULD THEY BE GIVEN AUTHORITY TO TREAD ON PHYSICAL SERPENTS AND SCRORPIONS?WHAT IS THE PIONT? THAT AUTHORITY IS GIVEN TO ALL OF US IN THE DAY GOD CREATED US,BUT ALSO NOT TO CONFRONT THEM,AND GET HURT. WITH THE SPIRIT OF JESUS INSIDE US; WE ALSO HAVE POWER TO REBUKE SPIRITS.AND THEY MUST OBEY. A HATEFULL THING FOR THEM: FOR HAVING TO OBEY TO FLESHLY CREATURES.SPIRITS BEING TOLD BY THE FLESH. —————————————————————– QUOTE: 18  And He said to them, “I was  ‘Watching’  Satan fall from heaven like lightning. 19  “Behold,  I   'Have Given You'   Authority to tread on serpents and scorpions,  and  Over all the Power   of the enemy, and nothing will injure you. —————————————————————– THE ENEMY CAN KILL OUR BODY,BUT CAN NOT TOUCH OUR SOULS.SATAN COULD TOUCH JOB'S BODY,BUT HE COULD NOT TOUCH HIS SOUL. SATAN IS THE AXE,BUT GOD IS THE HAND HOLDING THE AXE. wakeup.

Hi Wakeup,

QUOTE:
19  “Behold,  I   'Have Given You'   Authority to tread on serpents and scorpions,  and  Over all the Power   of the enemy, and nothing will injure you.
20  “Nevertheless do not rejoice in this, that the spirits are ‘Subject’  to you, but rejoice that your names are recorded in heaven.

—————————————————————–
*SERPENTS,AND SCORPIONS* ARE THE WICKED.
WHY SHOULD THEY BE GIVEN AUTHORITY TO TREAD ON PHYSICAL SERPENTS AND SCRORPIONS?WHAT IS THE PIONT? THAT AUTHORITY IS GIVEN TO ALL OF US IN THE DAY GOD CREATED US,BUT ALSO NOT TO CONFRONT THEM,AND GET HURT.

Acts28:3   And when Paul had gathered a bundle of sticks, and laid [them] on the fire, there came a viper out of the heat, and fastened on his hand. 4And when the barbarians saw the [venomous] beast hang on his hand, they said among themselves, No doubt this man is a murderer, whom, though he hath escaped the sea, yet vengeance suffereth not to live. 5And he shook off the beast into the fire, and felt no harm. 6Howbeit they looked when he should have swollen, or fallen down dead suddenly: but after they had looked a great while, and saw no harm come to him, they changed their minds, and said that he was a god.

(Quote)
WHY SHOULD THEY BE GIVEN AUTHORITY TO TREAD ON PHYSICAL SERPENTS AND SCRORPIONS?

Did you notice  Who  thought he was a god?

I will get back later with other questions.

Peace………..

[Wakeup]

Quote (abe @ Aug. 26 2013,05:44)

Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 23 2013,13:02) Abe. QUOTE: Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say: “Now have come………. the authority of his Messiah. For the accuser of our brothers and sisters, who accuses them before our God day and night, has been hurled down. —————————————————————– AS SOON AS JESUS HAS CONQUERED DEATH ITSELF, HE HAD *GIVEN THE AUTHORITY* TO CLEANED UP HEAVEN;ALL THAT DIRT HAS BEEN CAST ON EARTH. NOW EARTH HAS BECOME THE DEVILS HEADQUARTER. —————————————————————– QUOTE: Lk.10:17   The seventy returned with joy, saying, “Lord, even the demons are subject to us in Your name.” 18  And He said to them, “I was watching Satan fall from heaven like lightning. —————————————————————– JESUS WAS PROPHESYING THE WAR IN HEAVEN SOON AFTER HIS RETURN TO HEAVEN.SATAN DID FALL,HE WAS CAST DOWN TO EARTH.THIS EARTH IS THE RUBBISH TIP FOR ALL EVIL. BUT THE SPIRITUALLY CLEAN ARE IN A SEPERATE PLACE(ZION);NOT BABYLON. —————————————————————- QUOTE: 19  “Behold,  I   'Have Given You'   Authority to tread on serpents and scorpions,  and  Over all the Power   of the enemy, and nothing will injure you. 20  “Nevertheless do not rejoice in this, that the spirits are ‘Subject’  to you, but rejoice that your names are recorded in heaven. —————————————————————– *SERPENTS,AND SCORPIONS* ARE THE WICKED. WHY SHOULD THEY BE GIVEN AUTHORITY TO TREAD ON PHYSICAL SERPENTS AND SCRORPIONS?WHAT IS THE PIONT? THAT AUTHORITY IS GIVEN TO ALL OF US IN THE DAY GOD CREATED US,BUT ALSO NOT TO CONFRONT THEM,AND GET HURT. WITH THE SPIRIT OF JESUS INSIDE US; WE ALSO HAVE POWER TO REBUKE SPIRITS.AND THEY MUST OBEY. A HATEFULL THING FOR THEM: FOR HAVING TO OBEY TO FLESHLY CREATURES.SPIRITS BEING TOLD BY THE FLESH. —————————————————————– QUOTE: 18  And He said to them, “I was  ‘Watching’  Satan fall from heaven like lightning. 19  “Behold,  I   'Have Given You'   Authority to tread on serpents and scorpions,  and  Over all the Power   of the enemy, and nothing will injure you. —————————————————————– THE ENEMY CAN KILL OUR BODY,BUT CAN NOT TOUCH OUR SOULS.SATAN COULD TOUCH JOB'S BODY,BUT HE COULD NOT TOUCH HIS SOUL. SATAN IS THE AXE,BUT GOD IS THE HAND HOLDING THE AXE. wakeup. Hi Wakeup, QUOTE: 19  “Behold,  I   'Have Given You'   Authority to tread on serpents and scorpions,  and  Over all the Power   of the enemy, and nothing will injure you. 20  “Nevertheless do not rejoice in this, that the spirits are ‘Subject’  to you, but rejoice that your names are recorded in heaven. —————————————————————– *SERPENTS,AND SCORPIONS* ARE THE WICKED. WHY SHOULD THEY BE GIVEN AUTHORITY TO TREAD ON PHYSICAL SERPENTS AND SCRORPIONS?WHAT IS THE PIONT? THAT AUTHORITY IS GIVEN TO ALL OF US IN THE DAY GOD CREATED US,BUT ALSO NOT TO CONFRONT THEM,AND GET HURT. Acts28:3   And when Paul had gathered a bundle of sticks, and laid [them] on the fire, there came a viper out of the heat, and fastened on his hand. 4And when the barbarians saw the [venomous] beast hang on his hand, they said among themselves, No doubt this man is a murderer, whom, though he hath escaped the sea, yet vengeance suffereth not to live. 5And he shook off the beast into the fire, and felt no harm. 6Howbeit they looked when he should have swollen, or fallen down dead suddenly: but after they had looked a great while, and saw no harm come to him, they changed their minds, and said that he was a god. (Quote) WHY SHOULD THEY BE GIVEN AUTHORITY TO TREAD ON PHYSICAL SERPENTS AND SCRORPIONS? Did you notice  Who  thought he was a god? I will get back later with other questions. Peace………..

Abe.

The serpent did not harm Paul because God has given him a job to do,and miracles are sometimes performed.
Just like Jesus did,to convince them.
Because they like to see proof, and like to see it with their physical eyes. We dont;we believe by faith.We have never seen Jesus, and yet we believe, by reading and understanding, his word in the scriptures.

They saw that as a miracle and see Paul as a god.
A man will come soon with great miracles,and many *seeing with their eyes* will also see him as god.
But he is the false prophet.

We dont see with our physical eyes,but with our spiritual eyes. The physical eyes can be deceived,but not the spiritual eyes. With knowledge,we can see spiritually.
We can also see of things to come shortly.

Thats good Abe.

wakeup.

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 26 2013,05:04)

Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 23 2013,01:27) Hi MikeB. We are discussing scriptures and thats is most important. Yep!   Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 23 2013,01:27) You seem to believe that Jesus kingdom is here on earth for 2000yrs now. Nope.  I believe Jesus reigns at the right hand of God right now.  I believe his Apostles reign with him from heaven right now.  I believe this reign began the minute Satan was thrown out of heaven.

Mike B.

Psalms 110:1 The LORD said unto my Lord, **Sit thou** at my right hand, **until I make** thine enemies thy footstool.

He is not ruling but sitting; untill God make his enemies his footstool.
This will be at the coming. Then he will rule in his kingdom with a rod of iron.

wakeup.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 26 2013,06:28)

He is not ruling but sitting; until God make his enemies his footstool.

Then what do you make of 1 Cor 15:25, Wakeup?  That one says he is reigning right now, right?

I understand it as Jesus will reign from the right hand of his God until His God places all his enemies at his feet and he destroys them.

The LAST enemy to be destroyed is death, at which time Jesus will hand the reigns back over to his Father and God.

But who is to say there aren't other enemies being either destroyed or “put in their places” right now – and up until the time the LAST enemy is destroyed?

Tell me about 1 Cor 15:25.  The Greek word is “basileuo”, and means “to be king, to exercise kingly power, to reign”.

[abe]

Hi Wakeup,

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AT THE MOMENT,JESUS IS SITTING NEXT TO HIS FATHER.
AS YOU CAN SEE THE 12TRIBES OF ISRAEL  IS NOT JUDGED YET.THIS WILL BE AT JUDGEMENT DAY.

AT THE MOMENT,JESUS IS SITTING NEXT TO HIS FATHER.

Acts7:54   54Now when they heard this, they were cut to the quick, and they [began] gnashing their teeth at  him(Stephen).

55   But being   Full of the Holy Spirit,   he gazed intently into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus *standing* at the right hand of God;

and Jesus  *Standing*  at the right hand of God;

Scripture says standing.

Peace..

[abe]

Hi Wakeup,

Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 22 2013,06:09)

Matthew 19:28   And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, **in the   ** regeneration**   **when** the Son of man *shall* sit in the throne of his glory, ye also *shall* sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Jesus did not rule in his throne the minute satan was thrown down to earth.
For God said: Sit thou on my right hand ;*UNTILL* I make your enemies your footstool.

I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, **in the   ** regeneration**   **when** the Son of man *shall* sit in the throne of his glory,

in the   ** regeneration**  

Tit.3:3   For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, [and] hating one another.
4  But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man   Appeared,
5  Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of   *Regeneration*,  and  Renewing of the Holy Ghost;
6  whom He poured out   upon us   richly through Jesus Christ our Savior,
7  That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

The *Regeneration* is  Past.

Peace………………..

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