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Hi all.
Christmas day is nearly here… and 2023.
Wonder what that will bring….
Hope everyone is well.
God bless 🙂
Miia, and all, “may the LORD bless you and keep you, may he make his face shine upon you and be gracious unto you, may he lift up his countenance upon you and give you peace.”
Peace and love to you all and yours……….gene
Merry Christmas Mia and everyone.
WHY, may I ask:
unto to us, a Son IS GIVEN?
WHY NOT, UNTO US A SON IS BORN?
How come then that FIRST AND FOREMOST verse 6 says also
For a CHILD IS BORN to us,
May I ask also then,
Who is this CHILD?
Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
[7] But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
[8] And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.…..Being in the form of God …..WAS MADE in the form OF a servant, AND WAS MADE in the likeness OF men….
Berean…….Jesus was in the “likeness”, ie, “image” of God , just exactly as we are, with the nature “spirit” of God in him, but he did not think to try to, “rob” God by trying to make himself equal to him , he was found in the flesh , exactly as we are, because he was a human being exactly as we are in everyway.
If you and everyone else do not become “exactly” like himyou will not be in the kingdom of God. You must be “bornagain” , the Christo’s that was “IN”Jesus must come tobe “In” you “exactly” as it is and was ” in ” Our lord Jesus Christ (the human anointed one) and you must do the exact same thing he did, put you own “will” to death in obedience to GOD THE FATHER, exactly as The “MAN” Jesus did, or you simply will not be in the kingdom of God!, nor the kingdom of Jesus the Christ either.
The conception Jesus did it all for us, SO WE DON’T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING, is a lie, what God the Father did in and through Jesus was to show us the way, but the, “exact same thing”. Must take place “IN” US ALSO, JUST AS IT DID IN the “MAN” Jesus.
The Satanic, false teachings of modern christanity, have completely destorted the truth of Gos, and his work in “all humanity”. The Jesus you people preach is not the true Jesus of scripture, but are the works of iniquity, brought about by the very works of Satan himself. You will know this when you hear the words…… “depart from me you workers of “iniquity” i know you not from whence you are”.
Jesusthe man never preceeded his birth on the earth in any form of existence, except, “IN”, in the “WILL” and purposesse of GOD THE FATHER. WHICH GOD HAS AND HAD IN MIND FOR “ALL” HIS CREATION OF “ALL” HUMANITY, BEFORE ANY HUMAN EVER EXISTED. AND THAT INCLUDES JESUS HIMSELF TOO.
Peace and love to you and yours Berean……….gene
Carmel. He came in the flesh. His name was Jesus.
But again, the fact that it says “A CHILD….” is not just a reference to Jesus.
IT IS ALSO A REFERENCE TO HIS MOTHER MARY!
SHE WAS BORN FIRST. ‘AND THROUGH HER
HE WAS NOT REALLY BORN BUT GIVEN TO US, SINCE HE PRE-EXISTED AND EVEN CREATED HIS OWN MOTHER!
SCRIPTURE IS CLEAR:
ALL IN HIM, ALL BY HIM, and ALL FOR HIM!
John1:3 All things were made by him: and without him was made nothing that was made.
HE CREATED HIS MOTHER ‘IN HIM’ IN HIS SPIRIT,
HE CREATED HIS MOTHER ‘BY HIM’ BY HIS SPIRIT, and
HE CREATED HIS MOTHER ‘FOR HIM’ FOR HIS SPIRIT. WITHIN HER HEART!
Now reflect please, Jesus “THE WORD” IS AN ANDROGENOUS SPIRIT, MALE AND FEMALE, THE FACT THAT IN COLOSSIANS WE ARE AWARE THAT
in ALL THINGS, BOTH MALE AND FEMALE, he may hold the PRIMACY: TO BE CLEAR:
THE FIRST OF ALL THE FIRST! and
THE BEGINNING OF ALL BEGINNINGS.
THUS JESUS, AS A SPIRIT WAS BOTH THE BEGINNING OF THE NEW CREATION IN HIS OWN MOTHER AND ALSO THE FIRST WOMAN TO BE BORN SINLESS IN HIM. THE NEW LIVING SOUL, WHICH GOD RE-ESTABLISHED A NEW RELATIONSHIP WITH HUMANITY AND RESTORED ALL ANEW IN MARY WHICH WAS LOST IN ADAM AS THE FIRST LIVING SOUL.
THE MAIN REASON THAT HIS MOTHER WAS
THE MOST BLESSED!
FROM THIS WE ARE AWARE THAT MARY, HIS MOTHER IS THE FEMALE ASPECT OF “THE WORD”
IN HER SOUL/HEART ON HER CONCEPTION,
THE MOST BLESSED, THE IMMACULATE CONCEPTION!
WHILE JESUS, IS THE MALE ASPECT OF “THE WORD” MADE FLESH
THE SON OF MAN.
Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
[7] But ‘MADE’ HIMSELF of no reputation, and ‘TOOK UPON HIM’ the form of a servant, and ‘WAS MADE’ in the likeness of men:
[8] And ‘BEING FOUND’ in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.Hi Gene,
You: Jesus the man never preceded his birth on the earth in any form of existence,
Me: Just read the scripture hereunder and explain please:
Jude 1: 4For certain men are secretly entered in, (who were written of long ago unto this judgment,) ungodly men, turning the grace of our Lord God into riotousness, and denying the ONLY SOVEREIGN RULER, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
5 I will therefore admonish you, though ye once knew all things,
that Jesus, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, did afterwards destroy them that believed not:
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Gene
Sorry, that’s not what Paul says to the Phillipians.
I reject your misinterpretation of WHO WAS AND IS JESUS CHRIST.Gene,
You: Berean…….Jesus was in the “likeness”, ie, “image” of God,
Read Gene, please:
Hebrews1:1Who being the brightness of his glory
WHAT GLORY Gene, THE FATHER’S GLORY.
, and the express image of his person,
WHAT EXPRESS IMAGE, Gene, THE FATHER’S IMAGE.
and upholding all things by the word of his power…
WHAT POUR Gene, THE FATHER’S POUR.
Colossians 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, ….
Gene, YOU ALWAYS SCREAM THAT THE FATHER IS A SPIRIT, WHICH IS THE TRUTH!
NOW ACCEPT ALSO THE TRUTH THAT
JESUS IS THE ONLY GENUINE PHYSICAL IMAGE OF THE INVISIBLE GOD.
ETERNALLY ONE SAME SUBSTANCE OF THE FATHER.
IN ONE SAME GLORY BEFORE THE WORLD WAS!
THUS JESUS IS THE UNIQUE EMBODIMENT OF GOD ETERNALLY!
ATTENTION!
Genesis 1:26 And God said,
Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:
Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God created he him;
NOW Gene IF MAN WAS CREATED IN
THE ONLY IMAGE AND LIKENESS OF GOD, and
JESUS IS THE ONLY IMAGE AND LIKENESS OF THE INVISIBLE GOD
WHO IS A SPIRIT.
MAN WAS CREATED IN THE IMAGE AND LIKENESS OF GOD,
WHICH MEANS THAT
MAN WAS CREATED IN THE IMAGE AND LIKENESS OF THE VISIBLE GOD JESUS!
THE FACT THAT WE READ HEREUNDER IN
Philippians 2:5 For let this mind be in you,
which was also in Christ Jesus:
Gene, Jesus pre-existed, carry on reading please:
6Who being in the form of God,
thought it not robbery to be equal with God: …..
Gene, THERE’S ONLY ONE FORM OF GOD, AS GOD IS AN INVISIBLE SPIRIT.
AND THAT FORM WAS THE PHYSICAL JESUS, THE ONLY PHYSICAL AND VISIBLE GOD IN ONE GLORY WITH THE FATHER BEFORE THE WORLD WAS
John17:5 And now glorify thou me, O Father, with thyself,
with the glory which I had, before the world was, with thee.
I AND THE FATHER ARE ONE!
JESUS AND THE FATHER ARE EQUAL,
ONE VISIBLE AND ONE INVISIBLE!
In the same way, YOU in your flesh body, and YOUR SOUL ARE also EQUAL.
YOUR SOUL WITHOUT THE BODY CANNOT LIVE AS A HUMAN, as much as
YOUR BODY WITHOUT THE SOUL CANNOT LIVE AS A HUMAN!
THE FACT THAT AT THE VERY END BOTH WOULD BE
ONE INTERMINGLED SPIRITUAL FLESH BODY.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
CARMEL……God made “all” mankind in his “image”, please explaine how that “only” applies to The “Man” Jesus and not the rest of his human brothers and sisters?
Jesus said (not me)…..“call “no man” your Father on earth ,one is your FATHER WHO IS IN HEAVEN”, so from what Jesus said (not me) my father and Jesus’ Father are the one and same person. Face it CARMEL YOU DON’T “TRULY” BELIEVE JESUS DO YOU?
Jesus existence comes from man kind , just the exact same as our existence does , through the power of God the exact same as our existence does. But Satan and his ministers wants to make Jesus appear different then his brothers and sisters, so they and you, change Jesus’ orgin, as a “preexistent God”.
That should tell you on what side of the fence you are on? , if you “truly have eyes to see” ,as you say or are you, “a 2Ths2” person, as Satan is? Have you changed the “image” of Jesus, the “man” , who now sits in the temple of God, into your God? Many have. “Few haven’t” , they keep God the Father as their “ONLY” TRUE GOD, exactly as Jesus does and did.
Peace and love to you and yours Carmel………gene
Hi Gene,
You: God made “all” mankind in his “image”,
Me: Gene, the Father has no image He is an invisible spirit!
NOW, WHO IS THE ONLY IMAGE OF GOD?
JESUS CHRIST
SO “ALL” MANKIND IN ADAM THE MAN AFTER SIN, IS MADE IN THE IMAGE OF THE MAN JESUS CHRIST
EVEN BEFORE THE WORLD WAS.
You: Jesus said (not me)…..“call “no man” your Father on earth ,one is your FATHER WHO IS IN HEAVEN”,
Me: THAT IS A REFERENCE TO HIM, AS JESUS, IS OUR PHYSICAL FATHER SINCE ADAM REJECTED GOD AND SINNED, AND MANKIND LOST ALL KIND OF RELATIONSHIP WITH THE FATHER. JESUS CAME AND ESTABLISHED GOD THE FATHER ANEW
IN HIMSELF, as
GOD THE FATHER IS SPIRIT, AND HE IS ‘ONLY’ OUR SPIRITUAL FATHER! READ
John16:15 All things whatsoever the Father hath, are mine.
OK, Gene, the above IS Jesus’ own words!
NOW ALL THINGS INCLUDING THE
ATTRIBUTES BOTH AS GOD AND AS FATHER! TO BE CLEAR;
JESUS, AS A HUMAN AND TANGIBLE, IS BOTH GOD AND FATHER.
NOW DESPITE JESUS COMING TO EARTH
HE STILL REMAINED ALSO IN HEAVEN WITH THE FATHER! HE IS THE ONLY EMBODIMENT OF GOD BEFORE THE WORLD WAS. READ:
John3:13 And no man hath ascended into heaven,
but he that descended from heaven,
the Son of man who is in heaven.
JESUS PRE-EXISTENCE!
NOW DESPITE GOD THE FATHER IS ALWAYS IN HEAVEN, IN THE SAME INSTANT
HE CAME TO EARTH IN JESUS!
JESUS AND GOD THE FATHER ARE ONE!
GOD THE FATHER BECAME PHYSICAL AND VISIBLE IN JESUS!
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Gene,
You said:
God made “all” mankind in his “image”…
Mankind is made in their image.
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:…
Jesus is the image of the invisible God, singular…you are not.
Mankind is made in their image, plural.
LU……I realize what you and Carmel say, but i would rather believe what our actual scriptures say, and this is what they say (not me)……Gen 1:27…..”so God created “MAN” in his “OWN” IMAGE , in the “IMAGE” of God created “he” him; male and female created he them”.
Ibelieve there are seven Spirits of God, with those seven Spirits of his , “HE” , GOD, CREATED mankind, and everything else, by the power of his own self. Jesus is not even mentioned there, your simply forcing the text to say what in fact it does not say or even hint at?
Please notice even further , scriptures says (not me)…..Gen 1:28……. And God blessed “THEM” , and God said unto the be fruitfull and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air , and over every thing that moves upon the earth.
So who did God bless here, was it Jesus, or “THEM”, Adam and Eve?
Also please notice the word God there is only in a singular form, it does not say GOD’S, as in a plurel form, but GOD, in a “singular form”.
LU, forcing the scriptures to say thing they do not specifically say , is a sign of “aragorance”, don’t you have some kind of fear of doing that? It’s One thing to say you believe this or that, but quite another to just force scriptures to say, what in fact they do not say or even hint at, who has caused you to think you can just change clear scriptures to say what they don’t specifically say?
Peace and love to you and your LU…….gene
Hi Lu,
You: carmel,
You said:
WHY, may I ask:
unto to us, a Son IS GIVEN?
WHY NOT, UNTO US A SON IS BORN?
It’s both.
Me, Lu I don’t know what you meant by BOTH.
Read what I said:
But again, the fact that it says “A CHILD….” is not just a reference to Jesus.
IT IS ALSO A REFERENCE TO HIS MOTHER MARY!
SHE WAS BORN FIRST. ‘AND THROUGH HER
HE WAS NOT REALLY BORN BUT GIVEN TO US, SINCE HE PRE-EXISTED AND EVEN CREATED HIS OWN MOTHER!
Do you mean Jesus and His mother Mary when you said BOTH?
Keep in mind that Jesus was not BORN THE WAY HUMANS DO, I mean
THROUGH SEX!
HE WAS GIVEN TO US OF THE HOLY GHOST!
THE ABOVE IS A REFERENCE TO JESUS AS SON OF GOD, NOT AS SON OF MAN!
AS SON OF MAN HE WAS GIVEN TO US DIRECTLY BY
THE FATHER, IN ORDER FOR THE FATHER TO BE OUR REDEEMER!
Genesis 22:8 And Abraham said:
God will provide ‘HIMSELF’ a victim for a holocaust,
my son. So they went on together.
THE FIRST ADAM WAS FORMED BY GOD, LIKEWISE, THE SECOND ADAM WAS ALSO FORMED BY GOD.
Hebrews 10:5Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith: Sacrifice and oblation thou wouldest not:
but a body thou hast fitted to me:
THIS IS FOR YOU Gene,
JESUS’ BODY, “THE WORD” MADE FLESH, THE SON OF MAN WAS THE WORK OF THE FATHER, SIMPLY
PRONOUNCED:
LET THERE BE LIGHT!
THE FATHER’S OWN SUBSTANCE, AFTER JESUS WAS BORN FIRST AS A LUMINOUS SPIRIT CHILD, THE SON OF GOD, AND ANTICIPATED THE EVENT ON MOUNT TABOR, PRECISELY;
THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD! Asserted by Jesus in
John 12:46 I am come a light into the world,…..
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Paul said (not me) …….. “that you may be blameless and harmless, the Sons of GOD, without rebuck, in the mudest of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom “YOU” SHINE AS “LIGHTS” IN THE WORLD;
And again James says (not me)…… “every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and comes from the FATHER OF “LIGHTS”, with whom is no varoableness, neither shadow of turning., with his own “WILL”begat us with the word of truth, that we should be a kibd of “FIRSTFRUITS” of “HIS” CREATION.
Seems Paul and James thinks we are “LIGHTS” also, who came from the “FATHER OF LIGHTS, but then again you assume you know more the Paul and James does, right?
Jesus himself is not the light, the spirit of God is the lught, and that light was “IN” Jesus, exactly as it is in all who have the holy spirit “in” them “EXACTLY LIKE THE MAN JESUS, has in him?
Your “doctrine of seperation”, of Jesus from his brothers and sisters dosen’t work CARMEL.
Peace and love to you and yours Carmel………gene
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