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Berean,
The fact that you cannot speak to the many passages I gave and show how they fit with your doctrine tells us a lot.
Berean,
YOU: All this for DENY
THE DIVINITY OF THE DIVINE SON OF GOD.ME:
As said to you prior, Gene and I DO NOT DENY THE DIVINE NATURE OF THE SON OF GOD. Let’s be honest here, I gave you scripture that defines the divine nature and you ignored those scriptures.
Hi Carmel,
John 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. 43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. 44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. 46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me? 47 He that is of God heareth God’s words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
YOU: THE ABOVE Jodi IS A STATEMENT BY JESUS WHICH MAKES ONE PONDER, CONSIDERING THAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT HIS LIFE PRECISELY HIS HIDDEN YEARS!
JESUS WAS NOT JUST TALKING TO THE PHARISEES BUT HE WAS USING THEM IN ORDER TO SEND A CLEAR MESSAGE WHOM HE WAS TO SATAN.
WHO WAS STILL DELUDED AND UNDER THE IMPRESSION NOT ONLY THAT JESUS WAS NOT THE SON OF GOD BUT THAT HE COULD EVEN BE THE ANTICHRIST.
If I say the truth to you, why do you not believe me?
ME:
The fact that Jesus says that the Pharisees are of their father the devil does not prove Jesus pre-existed. Nowhere in that passage is Jesus talking about his hidden years. You speak utter nonsense which is one of the reasons why I have refrained from even acknowledging you in the past.
Jesus was anointed with the Spirit without measure then he was sent out into the world to do YHVH’s work, be His messenger, speak His word. The Pharisees didn’t believe his word and Jesus explains to them why, because they were not of God but rather they were of their father the devil.
There is absolutely NOTHING in the text of verses 43-47 that could give opportunity for a false interpretation of pre-existence, so it’s rather mind boggling to me that you actually think it’s some sort of proof that he did pre-exist.
Jodi
DIVINE NATURE FOR JESUS IS TO BE GOD
NO MORE OR LESS, BUT THAT YOU DENY.
IN THE BIGINNING WAS “THE WORD” AND “THE WORD” WAS WITH(THE) GOD AND “THE WORD” WAS GOD.(JOHN1:1)JESUS IS the brightness of THE glory OF GOD, and the express image of HIS PERSON (Heb.1:3)
Hi Berean,
Jesus was of the divine nature of his Father and our Father, his God and our God.
Jesus said in John 20 “I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.”
Who ascended, what kind of being was he?
Luke 22:69 Hereafter shall the Son of man (anthropos –HUMAN BEING) sit on the right hand of the power of God.
Acts 7:55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, 56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man (HUMAN BEING) standing on the right hand of God.
1 Chronicles 17:11 And it shall come to pass, when thy days be expired that thou must go to be with thy fathers, that I will raise up thy seed after thee, which shall be of thy sons; and I will establish his kingdom. 12 He shall build me an house, and I will stablish his throne for ever. 13 I will be his father, and he shall be my son: and I will not take my mercy away from him, as I took it from him that was before thee: 14 But I WILL settle him in mine house and in my kingdom for ever: and his throne shall be established for evermore.
Berean, the son of a HUMAN BEING, the son of David was promised by God TO BECOME his Son and God WOULD settle him into His House. Stephen saw this Son of Man in heaven at God’s right hand.
Pure and simple biblical fact, Jesus is NOT GOD, he is the Son of Man sitting at God’s right hand, his God and Father and our God and Father.
Isaiah 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: 11 Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it.
Pure and simple biblical fact, this man who is sitting at God’s right hand at this moment was IN THE WORD OF GOD FROM THE BEGINNING.
Romans 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. 29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
What is the image Paul directly gives us prior in the chapter,
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
What did Jesus inherit according to a promise?
Acts 2:32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
Acts 12:32 And we declare unto you glad tidings, how that the promise which was made unto the fathers, 33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee. 34 And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.
God had declared unto the son of David that He would be a Father to him, that He would not take His mercy away from him, He would settle him into His House and give him an eternal throne. A promise was made by God unto the fathers that this king of the tribe of Judah would sit on his father David’s throne according to the flesh where he would destroy all their enemies.
On the day he rose from the dead he received by promise the Holy Spirit, he also according to a promise was begotten on that day. Jesus was raised being born of the Spirit, born a firstborn of many brethren. Those who are led by the Spirit of God are the Sons of God. The Spirit bore witness to his spirit that he was a Son of God.
Ephesians 5:9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)
Proverbs 12:28 In the way of righteousness is life; And in the pathway thereof there is no death
You are the expressed image of our God when God’s Spirit is all in you causing you to walk in the way that He does and it’s a gift of eternal life.
1 Corinthians 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. 28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
Read again,
Isaiah 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: 11 Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it. 12 Hearken unto me, ye stouthearted, that are far from righteousness: 13 I bring near my righteousness; it shall not be far off, and my salvation shall not tarry: and I will place salvation in Zion for Israel my glory.
Biblical Fact, He who SPOKE the WORD in the beginning was not Jesus, Jesus is the man being spoken about, who would one day come and bring salvation and righteousness.
All things were made in the beginning by reason of this man, who would execute God’s will, where God would be all in him and come to be all in all. Nothing would have been made that was made without the man who would bring forth righteousness and salvation unto eternal life.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through him; and without him was not anything made that hath been made.
In the Word from the beginning was a promise of righteousness and eternal life. Righteousness and life is with God and is God. Also in the Word from the beginning was the man who would execute the word of righteousness and life.
Read again,
Romans 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the CALLED according to his purpose. 29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Isaiah 42:1 Behold, my servant, whom I uphold; my chosen, in whom my soul delighteth: I have put my Spirit upon him; he will bring forth justice to the Gentiles…5 Thus saith God Jehovah, he that created the heavens, and stretched them forth; he that spread abroad the earth and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein: 6 I, Jehovah, have CALLED thee in righteousness, and will hold thy hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, FOR A LIGHT of the Gentiles;
Jesus was the man CALLED according to YHVH’s purpose to be FOR A LIGHT. He is a light because he is the man of the Word from the beginning that would come and execute YHVH’s purpose for why YHVH created by HIMSELF all things in the first place.
What do we read next in John 1, that REALLY SEALS IT BEREAN,
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in the darkness; and the darkness apprehended it not.6 There came a man, sent from God, whose name was John. 7 The same came for witness, that he might bear witness of the light, that all might believe through him. 8 He was not the light, but came that he might bear witness of the light. 9 There was the true light, even the light which lighteth every man, coming into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made through him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and they that were his own received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he the right to become children of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
He was a light coming into the world that was made by reason of him. This man came to his own people who rejected him.
Exodus 4 tells us that YHVH was a Father unto the children of Israel, “And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn: And I say unto thee, Let my son go, that he may serve me: and if thou refuse to let him go, behold, I will slay thy son, even thy firstborn.”
Read again,
Isaiah 42:6 I, Jehovah, have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thy hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, FOR A LIGHT of the Gentiles;7 to open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the dungeon, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison-house. 8 I am Jehovah, that is my name; and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise unto graven images.
That glory is Jesus being begotten of the Spirit without measure from among the children of God where he was then sent out to be for a light to set us at liberty from our sins. From the people whom YHVH made and gave them a spirit to walk therein this mortal man of Israel, YHVH’s SONS, was called to righteousness becoming YHVH’s only begotten Son as he had been filled with His Spirit without measure, FULL OF GRACE AND TRUTH.
The WORD of Isaiah 11, 42, 46, and 61 which was of YHVH’s SPOKEN purpose from the beginning, was made true in the flesh, the anointing by the WORD of YHVH was made true, and Jesus the anointed of the Spirit being begotten of the Spirit without measure to be for a LIGHT as he was made full of grace and truth, came to his own and many of them rejected him.
Hi Berean,
2 Peter 1:4 whereby he hath granted unto us his precious and exceeding great promises; that through these ye may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped from the corruption that is in that world by lust.
Matthew 19:28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, that ye who have followed me, in the regeneration (NEW BIRTH) when the Son of man shall sit on the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
Ephesians 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as also ye were called in one hope of your calling; 5 one Lord, one faith, ONE baptism, 6 one God and Father of all, who is over all, and through all, and in all.
1 Cor 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
Mark 10:39 And they said unto him, We can. And Jesus said unto them, Ye shall indeed drink of the cup that I drink of; and with the baptism that I am baptized withal shall ye be baptized: 40 But to sit on my right hand and on my left hand is not mine to give; but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared.
Acts 2:32 And we declare unto you glad tidings, how that the promise which was made unto the fathers, 33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee. 34 And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.
Acts 13:32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
Romans 8:29 For whom he foreknew, he also foreordained to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren:
Ezekiel 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
Ezekiel 37:13 And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves, 14 And shall put my Spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it, and performed it, saith the LORD.
Romans 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
Jodi
You are Wrong Jodi
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[2] The same was in the beginning with God.
[3] All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
[4] In him was life; and the life was the light of men.JÉSUS IS THE DIVIN SON OF GOD
MENTIONED IN JOHN 1
Hi Berean,
The scriptures that I gave you, ALL of them support exactly what I say. This is because my beliefs are created from them, where I make sure that my interpretation of certain scriptures rely on other clear passages, as there can be no contradictions. You on the other hand have a doctrine where you just pick and choose only the passages that then fit the doctrine, whereby your interpretations create enormous amounts of contradiction. The fact that you can’t even speak to the scriptures that I give, makes this all so very clear.
Jodi
You are neither the first nor the last to make the scriptures lie, and that saddens me a lot ….
The Word of God tells us that Jesus is the divine Son of God (John 1: 1), that his origin dates back to the days of eternity (Micah 5)Hi Jodi,
YOU: Nowhere in that passage is Jesus talking about his hidden years.
ME: POOR Jodi, YOU ARE SO BLOCKED IN YOUR CARNAL MIND, WITH EVERY RESPECT TO YOU, THAT EVEN A MERE CLEAR PIECE OF SCRIPTURE, LITERALLY MEANT,
IT MEANS EXACTLY WHAT IT SAYS,
THE TRUTH
YOU ARE BLIND OF,
NOW I AM USING THE LARGEST BLOCK CAPITALS FOR YOU TO READ, WHAT JESUS SAID:
46 WHICH OF YOU CONVINCTH ME OF SIN?
And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?
YOU:You speak utter nonsense which is one of the reasons why I have refrained from even acknowledging you in the past.
ME Now, Jodi that Just one little simple statement by Jesus which you are not in the position to
DISCERN THE TRUTH, FROM IT
NEVER MIND THE MYSTERIOUS HIDDEN TEACHING WHICH JESUS PREACHED WHICH FOR YOU ARE SIMPLY
MY IMAGINATIONS!
ALSO, Jodi, PREPARE YOURSELF, AS,
FROM ONLY THAT VERSE,
I HAVE MORE OF MY IMAGINATIONS
TRUTH, TO REVEAL TO YOU!
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
The Eternal Father, the unchangeable one, gave his only begotten Son, tore from his bosom Him who was made in the express image of his person, and sent him down to earth to reveal how greatly he loved mankind. He is willing to do more, “more than we can ask or think.” An inspired writer asks a question which should sink deep into every heart: “He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?” Shall not every believer in the Lord Jesus Christ say, “Since God has done so much for us, how shall we not, for Christ’s sake, show our love to him by obedience to his commandments, by being doers of his word, by unreservedly consecrating ourselves to his service?” – RH July 9, 1895, par. 13
Before the entrance of evil there was peace and joy throughout the universe. All was in perfect harmony with the Creator’s will. Love for God was supreme, love for one another impartial. Christ the Word, the Only Begotten of God, was one with the eternal Father,—one in nature, in character, and in purpose,—the only being in all the universe that could enter into all the counsels and purposes of God. By Christ the Father wrought in the creation of all heavenly beings. “By Him were all things created, that are in heaven, … whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers” (Colossians 1:16); and to Christ, equally with the Father, all heaven gave allegiance. GC 493.1
Hi, Jodi,
YOU:You speak utter nonsense which is one of the reasons why I have refrained from even acknowledging you in the past.
46 WHICH OF YOU CONVINCTH ME OF SIN?
And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?ME: 23For all have sinned, …..
Jesus, Jodi,
didn’t sin, throughout His life ON EARTH, SATANIC!
even when He was twelve and DISOBEYED His parents as he was not YET under the law. A child must be thirteen years of age the be under the law.
Luke 2:And he went down with them, and came to Nazareth,
and was subject unto them:
IN THE ABOVE, LUKE MADE IT CLEAR THAT JESUS, FROM THAT MOMENT ON, WAS OBEDIENT TO HIS PARENTS. WHY IT WAS VITAL THAT LUKE SAYS SO?
JESUS AT THAT AGE COMMENCED HIS FATHER’S BUSINESS, Jodi.
Now read HEREUNDER what I asked you
YOU: When he was 12 years old he brought sorrow unto his parents when they believed he was traveling with them but instead he stayed behind where they went back and found him in the temple with teachers where he said
he was about his Father’s business.
ME: THE ABOVE DECLARATION FROM A BOY OF 12, ISN’T ENOUGH FOR YOU TO CONVINCE YOU THAT JESUS WAS ALREADY ANOINTED the fact that He said that
HE INITIATED HIS FATHER’S BUSINESS!
Have you got a suggestion, WHAT JESUS’FATHER’S BUSINESS WAS Jodi.?
NOW read my imaginations and I TELL YOU Jodi, WHAT JESUS’ FATHER’S BUSINESS
WAS!
Jesus, from that moment on
SUBJECT TO THE CARNAL LAW, SATAN’S ASSET!
COMMENCED THE HARSHEST SPIRITUAL BATTLE EVER BY A HUMAN BEING, ON EARTH, SATANIC, AGAINST HIS OWN HUMAN FLESH, ITS INSTINCT, and AGAINST
THE FULL FORCE OF SATAN AND CO. simply to push and force Jesus to commit
ONE mere sin.
It took Jesus 18 years to DISSOLVE all sins past, present, and future, PERSUADED ALL DEMONS THAT HE WAS THE REDEEMER AND FOR THEIR OWN SAKE, THEY ABANDONED JESUS.
JESUS WAS READY TO BE PROCLAIMED
THE PERFECT MAN ON EARTH! AND ONLY GOD IS PERFECT, HENCE
THE SON OF GOD AND
OFFICIALLY PROCLAIMED BY GOD THE FATHER AT THE RIVER JORDAN.
Now read:
Isaiah 42:13 The Lord shall go forth as a mighty man,
as a man of war shall he stir up zeal:
he shall shout and cry:
he shall prevail against his enemies.
Isaiah 42:25 And he (SATAN) hath poured out upon him( JESUS) the indignation of his ( SATAN’S) fury,
and a strong battle,
and hath burnt him (SATAN) round about, and he(SATAN) knew not: and set him(SATAN) on fire, and he(SATAN) understood not.
Jodi, LIGHT SHINES IN DARKNESS, AND DARKNESS UNDERSTOOD NOT!
ANSWER Jodi, in order for Jesus to beat Satan and his demons
ALL USELESS AGAINST HIM FOR 18 YEARS AND FAILED,
WHO BACKED AND SUPPORTED JESUS IN ORDER TO PREVAIL?
Read WHO:
Isaiah42:6 the Lord have CALLED THEE
in justice,
and taken thee by the hand, and preserved thee.
And I have given thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles:
Jodi, JESUS WAS ANOINTED WITH THE SPIRIT BEFORE THE WORLD WAS,
Read:
Isaiah 48:16 Come ye near unto me, and hear this:
I (Jesus) have not spoken in secret from THE BEGINNING:
from the time before it was done, I WAS THERE (AS “THE WORD”, SPIRIT)
and now the Lord God (THE FATHER)
hath sent me, and his spirit.
17Thus saith the Lord thy redeemer, (JESUS) the Holy One of Israel:
I am the Lord thy God that teach thee profitable things,( THE GOSPEL) that govern thee in the way that thou walkest.
the fact that
JESUS AS A SPIRIT WAS SLAIN LIKE A LAMB FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD Rev.13:8
At the river Jordan Jesus went and
JUSTIFIED HIMSELF WHOM HE WAS!
Matthew 2:14 But John stayed him, saying:
I ought to be baptized by thee, and comest thou to me?
15And Jesus answering, said to him:
Suffer it to be so now.
For so it becometh us to fulfill
ALL JUSTICE.Isaiah42:6
Then he suffered him.
John8:46 WHICH OF YOU CONVINCTH ME OF SIN?
In the above Jodi, IT’S NOT POSSIBLE FOR THE PHARISEES TO KNOW THAT JESUS DIDN’T SIN THROUGHOUT HIS LIFE! IMPOSSIBLE!!!
JESUS, SAID THOSE WORDS AS HE KNEW THAT THEY WERE SPIRITUALLY CONTROLED BY EVIL SPIRITS, SATAN’S
43 Why do you not know my speech?
Because you cannot hear my word.
Jodi, they definitely heard Jesus’WORD, BUT SPIRITUALLY THEY DIDN’T! READ:
44You are of your father the devil,
HE ADDRESSED THIS TO THE EVIL SPIRITS IN THEM.
and the desires of your father you will do.
THEY WERE UNDER THE CONTROL OF THE DEVIL!
He was a murderer from the beginning, and he stood not in the truth; because truth is not in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father thereof.
45But if I say the truth, you believe me not.
THEY HAD A HEART OF STONE, AND WERE NOT IN THE POSITION TO ACCEPT JESUS’ WORDS!
THUS JESUS, with that particular statement, SPOKE ALSO DIRECTLY TO SATAN AND HIS DEMONS,
AS ONLY THEM BATTLED WITH JESUS FOR EIGHTEEN USELESS YEARS.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust that he might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the Spirit, in which also he went and made proclamation to the spirits now in prison, who once were disobedient, of God kept waiting in the days of Noah during the construction of the Ark, in which a few, that is eight persons were brought safely through the water. Corresponding to that baptism now saves you- not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience- through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who is at the right hand of God, having gone into heaven, after angels and authorities and powers had been subjected to him. 1 Peter3.18f
who will obey the advice of the Spirit spoken through Peter at Pentecost?
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