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Hi All,
Let me add and combine,
1 John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not. 19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness. 20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life. 21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.
John said previously,
1 John 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
Isaiah 42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my Spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles. 2 He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street. 3 A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth. 4 He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law. 5 Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein: 6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;
Ephesians 5:9 For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth.
READ it again,
“but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.”
People, Jesus had the Spirit come to live in him in to be SENT OUT into the world in order to deliver captives, to set us at liberty from our sins.
Jesus of Nazareth was begotten of the Spirit a calling to righteousness and God held his hand and kept him so that he could be the lamb without spot or blemish and take away our sins, fulfilling God’s covenant.
“his Son Jesus Christ”
Jesus of Nazareth who was anointed of the Spirit of YHVH and sent out into the world is YHVH’s only begotten Son, as he had been born of the Spirit without measure, where God held his hand and kept him from following his own will, so that he would be a lamb without spot or blemish.
Hi Berean,
There is NO SCRIPTURAL SUPPORT THAT there was a previous sending of Jesus into the world where he came down from heaven and entered a womb.
ALL scripture speaking of “he” who was sent, is speaking of Jesus Christ. John preached before HIS COMING. There was no SENDING until Jesus was begotten of the Spirit of YHVH, it came upon him and dwelled therein. There was NO CHRIST, NO ONLY BEGOTTEN SON until Jesus was begotten of the Spirit not by measure.
John 5: 36 But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me. 37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape. 38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not. 39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. 40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life. 41 I receive not honour from men. 42 But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you. 43 I am come in my Father’s name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. 44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only? 45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust. 46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. 47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?
John 6:36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not. 37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. 38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. 39 And this is the Father’s will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
John 3:33 He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true. 34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him. 35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand. 36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
Berean, it is the anointed Jesus who is the Son of God, he who was begotten of the Spirit without measure, an anointing (Chrio -to anoint thus becoming the Christos -anointed). That Spirit he received without measure is in all goodness, righteousness and truth, which made him an only begotten Son and able to be the lamb without spot or blemish.
For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will,
The will of him is that of a man of weak mortal flesh that was able to deny his own will through the eternal Spirit that was begotten in him, aboding therein. When Jesus asked God to take this cup from him, that was because of his fear of death, but through the Spirit he denied his will and obeyed that of God’s.
John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
Berean, the Son of Man came down from heaven.
The Son of Man came down directly from God and was sent out into the world directly from God to the people.
JUST AS JESUS SAID IN JOHN 5, search the scriptures and read what Moses said concerning the coming Son of Man. The WORD that we read in those scriptures was made true in the flesh of Jesus of Nazareth. He was indeed full of grace and truth as he became the prophet YHVH promised to raise up from among his people where YHVH would put His words in his mouth and all who would hear would be saved. He was able to do so because he had been begotten of the Spirit, receiving as the prophet Isaiah said, the Spirit of Wisdom, Understanding, Council and Might, Knowledge and Fear of YHVH where upon he was sent TO PREACH the word that saves and TO be obedient unto his death on the cross.
The Son of Jesse CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN, YHVH’s WORD CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN AND WAS MADE TRUE IN THE FLESH where the people beheld his glory as the only begotten of the Father FULL OF GRACE AND TRUTH.
38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not. 39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
Berean…..We are telling you the “whole truth” , which you are unable to understand, because of not truly loving truth, and because of that, there has have been sent unto you the “deluding Spirit from God” , and as a result, you have come to believed, a “LIE”, and that “LIE” is, “Jesus is a GOD,” and you, along with the “many” in fallen Christianity have turned the human being, Jesus Christ into a GOD, and you worship him as such. A “LIE”, which makes the “IMAGE” of Jesus, into a ‘MAN OF SIN”. 2ths2, which he will “abolish” at his return by his very own mouth.
Its all there for them who have eyes to see.
Peace and love to you and yours……..gene
Jodi
There is NO SCRIPTURAL SUPPORT THAT there was a previous sending of Jesus into the world where he came down from heaven and entered a womb.
ALL scripture speaking of “he” who was sent, is speaking of Jesus Christ. John preached before HIS COMING. There was no SENDING until Jesus was begotten of the Spirit of YHVH, it came upon him and dwelled therein. There was NO CHRIST, NO ONLY BEGOTTEN SON until Jesus was begotten of the Spirit not by measure.
Me
LEARN TO READ WHAT JESUS SAID
For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
To Berean and All,
John 1:32 And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him. 33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost. 34 And I saw, and bare record that THIS IS the Son of God.
Mark 1:10 And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him: 11 And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed (Chrio “to anoint” to be the Christos “anointed”) me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
36 But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me. 37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me.
John and the Father both bore witness that he who received the Spirit to dwell within him was he who was the Son of God. The WORKS that Jesus did bore witness that he was BEGOTTEN OF YHVH, A SON. Him being a Son had NOTHING to do with pre-existing.
Even the devil identified Jesus as being a Son of God because of the powers of YHVH that he had been begotten with.
Luke 4:3 And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread.
Jodi
You
Even the devil identified Jesus as being a Son of God because of the powers of YHVH that he had been begotten with.
Luke 4:3 And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread.
Me
Jésus IS not A son of God
BUT
THE
SON OF GOD
Luke 4 :3
Luke 4:3 And the devil said unto him, If thou be
THE Son of God,
command this stone that it be made bread.
JESUS CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN….
THE WORD WAS WiTH GOD AND THE WORD WAS GOD….
Hi Jodi,
YOU: Hi Carmel, Once again I see you applying your own imagination instead of applying direct scripture.
Lets look at the passage you gave from John 8,
John 8:41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God. 42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
ME: Jodi going back to your post again, you simply ignored completely both what I asked and the context of my post, while you deviated all in relation to your false belief, where you simply concentrated only on a phrase in John 8:42, apart from that you left out the remaining verses I posted and ACCUSED ME THAT I AM APPLYING MY IMAGINATION, without mentioning specifically and proved what to you are simply my imagination.
In my post, I was more concerned about Jesus’ pre-existence, and His divinity BOTH as SON OF GOD and SON OF MAN
MANIFESTED ON EARTH FROM HIS BIRTH!
Jodi, I am not concerned about YOUR CARNAL IMAGINATION REGARDING JESUS’HUMANITY attributed to Mary’s ovum, and Josep’s sperm, putting God in the same basket as
CORRUPTED HUMANS, doing all efforts that certain scriptures confirm your understandings, that Jesus, became THE SON OF GOD, only on His baptism, ignoring completely scripture itself, even by Jesus Himself, which emphatically declares Jesus’ eternal oneness and equality with the Father and in the same instant distinct. Read this scripture Jodi, and explain
what it actually declares!
Acts 20:28 Take heed to yourselves, and to the whole flock,
wherein the Holy Ghost hath placed you bishops,
to rule the church of God,
which he hath purchased with his own blood.
Jodi in the above scripture it is emphatically clear that
THE HOLY GHOST POSSESSES BLOOD, WHICH MEANS THAT
the blood of Jesus is ALSO defined as the blood of God in the Holy Ghost, (John13:31,32)
used by God to purchase the church.
This explains why the blood of Jesus IS
ONE OF A KIND,
and ONLY HE could save the entire humanity because it was indeed
the blood of God.
“THE WORD” MADE FLESH
IF TO YOU THE ABOVE IS MY IMAGINATION?
WHAT IS YOUR IMAGINATION?
Now, hereunder is again part of my post in relation to my questions!
YOU: When he was 12 years old he brought sorrow unto his parents when they believed he was traveling with them but instead he stayed behind where they went back and found him in the temple with teachers where he said
he was about his Father’s business.
ME: THE ABOVE DECLARATION FROM A BOY OF 12, ISN’T ENOUGH FOR YOU TO CONVINCE YOU THAT JESUS WAS ALREADY ANOINTED the fact that He said that
HE INITIATED HIS FATHER’S BUSINESS!
Have you got a suggestion, WHAT JESUS’FATHER’S BUSINESS WAS Jodi.?
44You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you will do.
WHO WERE THE PHARISEES Jodi,?
Now read what you said in your last post:
YOU: Luke 2: 40 And the child grew and waxed strong in spirit,
filled with wisdom and the grace of God was upon him.The above passage doesn’t mean anything to me,
it MEANS EXACTLY WHAT IT SAYS
Jodi, with respect to your OWN WORDS ABOVE,
NOW I AM EXPECTING YOUR SUGGESTION REGARDING
WHAT JESUS’FATHER’S BUSINESS WAS,
KEEP IN MIND WHAT JESUS SAID HEREUNDER:
…..did you not know,
that I must be about my father’s business?
OK, Jodi, A MERE BOY OF TWELVE ALREADY ABOUT HIS FATHER’S BUSINESS???
and according to you HE WAS NOT ANOINTED!!!!
AND ALSO
WHO WHERE THE PHARISEES???
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
No man is greater than John the Baptist who had the spirit while in the womb. Yet Jesus somehow is greater yet didnt have the spirit?
Proclaimer, Jesus said “no man is greater”, Does that mean no man was “as” great, as?, or does that mean to say Jesus therefore was not a human being?
Don’t you think John knew full well who Jesus was destined to become, and acknowledged it.peace and love to you and yours……..gene
Berean,
You once again lack scriptural support. You making capitals is your support? Because you say so seems to be the gist of you providing support.
You can’t even acknowledge the point I made that comes from a direct passage.
This is very simple and clear Berean.
IF YOU BE THE SON OF GOD COMMAND THESE STONES TO BECOME BREAD.
That has NOTHING to do with him pre-existing and everything to do with Jesus at the river Jordan BEING BEGOTTEN OF THE SPIRIT HAVING THE POWERS OF THE SPIRIT NOW LIVING IN HIM, WHERE HE COULD MAKE STONES INTO BREAD.
You won’t acknowledge this either,
36 But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me. 37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me.
Berean WHERE IS YOUR UNDERSTANDING?
Jesus was begotten of the Spirit to be sent out to do the works of God, those works that he did testified that he was God’s Son.
Moreover, not only the works he did through being begotten of the Spirit testified that he was the Son, but both John and God testified he was God’s Son at the moment the Spirit came to live within him.
Jesus of Nazareth upon having the Spirit come to live within him is he who was SENT.
John 17:14 I have given them thy word; and the world hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them from the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil one. 16 They are not of the world even as I am not of the world. 17 Sanctify them in the truth: thy word is truth. 18 As thou didst send me into the world, even so sent I them into the world.
If Jesus and they are not of the world, where then did Jesus and them COME FROM?
DOWN FROM HEAVEN, DIRECTLY FROM GOD Himself is where they CAME FROM. Their work was to preach the coming Kingdom of heaven, the Kingdom of God.
Proclaimer,
Luke 7:27 This is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee. 28 For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he. 29 And all the people that heard him, and the publicans, justified God, being baptized with the baptism of John.
John 1:28 Ye yourselves bear me witness, that I said, I am not the Christ, but that I am sent before him. 29 He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom’s voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled. 30 He must increase, but I must decrease.
Hi Berean,
Matthew 14:30 But when he saw the wind boisterous, he was afraid; and beginning to sink, he cried, saying, Lord, save me. 31 And immediately Jesus stretched forth his hand, and caught him, and said unto him,O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt? 32 And when they were come into the ship, the wind ceased. 33 Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.
BY his works Jesus is believed to be the Son of God. He did those works through the Spirit that came to live within him at the river Jordan. Jesus was born of the Spirit of Wisdom, Understanding, Council and Might, Knowledge and Fear of YHVH without measure, an only begotten declared to be YHVH’s Son at the moment the Spirit descended upon him.
HI Berean,
Matthew 8:29 And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?
Why did they fear the Son of God, because he came from being a pre-existing Son of God who entered a womb and became flesh, or because he was a man of flesh sent out into the world having been begotten of the powers of YHVH’s Spirit, an anointing (Chrio -to anoint and thus be Christos -anointed)?
HI Berean,
Matthew 27:40 And saying, Thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest it in three days, save thyself. If thou be the Son of God, come down from the cross.
Another example that Jesus is recognized as the Son of God because the powers of the Spirit came to live within him. He came out of the water and the Spirit entered him, he was born of water and of the Spirit. A man must be born again, born of the Spirit. Those who are born of such enter into the Kingdom, and though the Son of Man was lifted up on the cross to die, he would LIVE.
Fulfilled prophecy, that YHVH WOULD BE A FATHER UNTO THE SON OF DAVID and WOULD SETTLE him into HIS HOUSE.
Hi Berean,
Mark 1:1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;
9 And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan. 10 And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him: 11 And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
This is Christ (Christos- anointed) coming in the flesh, for Jesus was anointed and then sent.
This is the Word of God to which He declared from the beginning that was later spoken by Isaiah in chapters 11, 42, 46, and 61, made true in the flesh of Jesus of Nazareth. The man of YHVH’s WORD from the beginning coming to do YHVH’s works, perform YHVH’s council.
God had said that he WOULD BE a Father unto David’s son, and Jesus of Nazareth is he upon the Spirit coming to live within him without measure, an anointing.
The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;
Berean,
My scriptural support does not end!
Luke 1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
This is not an only begotten Son of God coming down entering into Mary’s womb. This is prophecy of 1 Chronicles 17 being confirmed. First you would have a son of David, then YHVH WOULD be a Father unto him where he would be an only mortal man begotten of the Spirit without measure sent out to do great works, and this Son of Man WOULD receive an eternal throne, where he WOULD reign as a firstborn over his brothers.
Once again it is his great works that Jesus does through the Spirit born in him at the river Jordan, that is linked to him being called the Son of God.
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