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T8: Click on the image now. It should link to the original file.
Thanks dude. I tried to edit a post just to browse the compiled media files for this thread, but your photo isn’t among them for some reason. They go all the way back to the ones I posted in my OP, and the one you posted of the Antarctic ice wall is there, but not Mount Ruapehu. Anyway, thanks. I’ll let you know when I make the video using your flat earth observation.
Kathi: I wasn’t moving…my family went early to a campsite and set up camp around a picnic table and stayed there specifically to watch the whole event.
Your statement is accurate and true and scriptural. You guys didn’t move an inch. But I meant according to the spinning ball earth model to which you subscribe, you moved a couple hundred miles during the event of the eclipse – because the ground on which you stood moved that much. Nearer to clearer now?
T8: Another method (I think) is to attach another file somewhere, and it seems that your attachments will reappear in the first post. Is that correct though? I am not 100% sure how you accumulated all attachments in the first post, but you would know.
I’m quite sure I don’t know! 😀 They just attach wherever and whenever they want to. For example, your Mount Ruapehu is now attached to the OP, and I didn’t do anything with it. Sometimes they attach to the next three posts after I insert them in one post. Sometimes they attach to the OP. Not all of them, just the ones that want to I guess. 🙂
Hey T8, thanks for your direct answers. I’ll get to them tomorrow, but please don’t forget this one that you left out…
Mike: Jehovah told us that He created two lights – the greater to govern the day, and the lesser to govern the night.
T8: There you go being literal again and assuming that which is not written.
Mike: Which part of my blue words above is not written?
What is your answer to that very simple question?
Okay Mike, I will play around with the words a bit more to suit.
The moon is literally a light, but not the source of that light.Are you the light of the world? Is Jesus the light of the world? Are either the source of light?
God is light.
Obviously you can be light, while still not being the source of that light.
The moon is a lesser light simply because it reflects the sun’s light. Your version is the moon is a machine of some kind. Show me the proof.
And how is it that you can shine a laser on the moon and have it reflect back?
Ringed by footprints, sitting in the moondust, lies a 2-foot wide panel studded with 100 mirrors pointing at Earth: the “lunar laser ranging retroreflector array.” Apollo 11 astronauts Buzz Aldrin and Neil Armstrong put it there on July 21, 1969, about an hour before the end of their final moonwalk.
I’m quite sure I don’t know! 😀 They just attach wherever and whenever they want to. For example, your Mount Ruapehu is now attached to the OP, and I didn’t do anything with it. Sometimes they attach to the next three posts after I insert them in one post. Sometimes they attach to the OP. Not all of them, just the ones that want to I guess. 🙂
Ah, thanks for that. I suspect then that they attach to all the posts that you apply an attachment, maybe because you are the author of the topic. If ‘Add Media’ was working, then it wouldn’t be so much of an issue because attachments are meant for documents, spreadsheets, and things you cannot embed into the post.
Perspective should not be ignored
Mike, my answer to many of your questions is the same answer. Perspective.
The sun rises and sets, as well as circuits overhead as does the moon. The earth is flat from our perspective and far away objects get smaller when in reality are not. It’s perspective and God speaks to us not only through our own limited language, but also from our perspective a lot of the time. Simple as that.
From God’s perspective, the universe could well revolve around him as he should be at the centre, not us. And who knows how many worlds he has created. He is above, not below in his perspective. And we know he can reside in all things, so his spirit may be the centre of every atom. We are not the centre and neither are we above. We are the footstool compared with his heaven and I am sure he can see all things at once. Just know that we can enter heaven if we are redeemed, so I expect that things would look different once there.
God created two lights
If you require an even simpler answer then try this.
God created two lights. It doesn’t say that God created two lights that generate light themselves.
He said a greater and a lesser.
We know that God is greater because he is the source and we are images and lesser.
We are not told the nature of each body apart from the fact that both are lights which they are.
A full moon certainly lights up the night somewhat compared to no moon for example.
The verse is too simple to apply an exact nature to these lights, only that light comes from both.
Who know, maybe the sun is a gateway to the heavens and the light actually comes from there.
You have to keep an open mind when you read a simple statement. In other words there is not enough detail to go into detail about.
Mike,
you said:
Do birds fly where the sun, moon, and stars are? No.
Did God create the sun, moon, and stars and place them in the firmament? Yes
Therefore, do birds also fly IN the firmament? Of course not
my response:
The birds do not fly as high as the sun, moon and stars, true.
God created and the sun, moon and the stars and placed them in the expanse/firmament, true.
Birds DO fly in the expanse/firmament. The expanse stretches from the earth to the end of outer space wherever that is.
Mike, God called the “raqia” “shamayim” therefore…raqia = shamayim (Gen 1:8). Now all I have to do is show you that birds fly IN the shamayim and this discussion is over and you need to admit that birds do indeed fly IN the firmament/expanse/raqia/shamayim.
Proverbs 30:19
New International Version
the way of an eagle in the sky (shamayim), the way of a snake on a rock, the way of a ship on the high seas, and the way of a man with a young woman.New Living Translation
how an eagle glides through the sky, how a snake slithers on a rock, how a ship navigates the ocean, how a man loves a woman.English Standard Version
the way of an eagle in the sky, the way of a serpent on a rock, the way of a ship on the high seas, and the way of a man with a virgin.Berean Study Bible
the way of an eagle in the sky, the way of a snake on a rock, the way of a ship at sea, and the way of a man with a maiden.New American Standard Bible
The way of an eagle in the sky, The way of a serpent on a rock, The way of a ship in the middle of the sea, And the way of a man with a maid.King James Bible
The way of an eagle in the air; the way of a serpent upon a rock; the way of a ship in the midst of the sea; and the way of a man with a maid.Christian Standard Bible
the way of an eagle in the sky, the way of a snake on a rock, the way of a ship at sea, and the way of a man with a young woman.
Holman Christian Standard Bible
the way of an eagle in the sky, the way of a snake on a rock, the way of a ship at sea, and the way of a man with a young woman.International Standard Version
The way an eagle flies in the sky, the way of a serpent on a rock, the way of a ship on the high seas, and the way of a man with a young woman.NET Bible
the way of an eagle in the sky, the way of a snake on a rock, the way of a ship in the sea, and the way of a man with a woman.New Heart English Bible
The way of an eagle in the air; the way of a serpent on a rock; the way of a ship in the midst of the sea; and the way of a man with a maiden.Aramaic Bible in Plain English
The way of an eagle in the sky, the way of the snake upon a rock, the way of the ship in the heart of the sea and the way of a man in his youth.
JPS Tanakh 1917
The way of an eagle in the air; The way of a serpent upon a rock; The way of a ship in the midst of the sea; And the way of a man with a young woman.New American Standard 1977
The way of an eagle in the sky, The way of a serpent on a rock, The way of a ship in the middle of the sea, And the way of a man with a maid.Jubilee Bible 2000
The track of the eagle in the air; the track of the serpent upon the rock; the track of the ship in the midst of the sea; and the track of the man in the maid.King James 2000 Bible
The way of an eagle in the air; the way of a serpent upon a rock; the way of a ship in the midst of the sea; and the way of a man with a maiden.American King James Version
The way of an eagle in the air; the way of a serpent on a rock; the way of a ship in the middle of the sea; and the way of a man with a maid.American Standard Version
The way of an eagle in the air; The way of a serpent upon a rock; The way of a ship in the midst of the sea; And the way of a man with a maiden.Douay-Rheims Bible
The way of an eagle in the air, the way of a serpent upon a rock, the way of a ship in the midst of the sea, and the way of a man in youth.Darby Bible Translation
The way of an eagle in the heavens, the way of a serpent upon a rock, the way of a ship in the midst of the sea, and the way of a man with a maid.English Revised Version
The way of an eagle in the air; the way of a serpent upon a rock; the way of a ship in the midst of the sea; and the way of a man with a maid.Webster’s Bible Translation
The way of an eagle in the air; the way of a serpent upon a rock; the way of a ship in the midst of the sea; and the way of a man with a maid.World English Bible
The way of an eagle in the air; the way of a serpent on a rock; the way of a ship in the midst of the sea; and the way of a man with a maiden.Young’s Literal Translation
The way of the eagle in the heavens, The way of a serpent on a rock, The way of a ship in the heart of the sea, And the way of a man in youth.Mike, please admit that the eagle flies in the raqia which is called shamayim according to Proverbs 30:19.
t8 and Mike,
If the moon had its own light, an eclipse would not be able to take it away but when the moon is fully in the solar eclipse or fully in the lunar eclipse stage, the moon’s surface that faces the earth is completely dark for a relatively short time.
I think Mike is just going to say something along the lines of a power cut or the moon is rebooting.
Explain this Flat Earthers
I have watched a series of videos that debunk the Flat Earth. The fifth video has some questions for Flat Earthers that I would like Mike to attempt answering, while I am looking for some answers to his questions. I posted these videos a few pages back, but added in the latter videos later on upon watching them first, so they may have been missed. So reposting them here. Just try to ignore the insulting tone of the videos and focus on the science and math.
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The above videos pretty much wraps up the debate IMO.
Does anyone want to disprove the arguments made in them.
If not, then this is enough proof for me that the Earth is a sphere and not a disk.
What about you Mike and Dig?
The sad part about this is the fact that this guy associates this and other conspiracies with Christians and the Bible, when most Christians do not believe this stuff at all. It is a bad witness IMO. I noticed another video from this guy debunking afterlife experiences. This is an example of how foolishness has unintended consequences.
Don’t you know that a little yeast leavens the whole batch of dough?
As followers of Christ, we should of course believe scripture, but remain open to new discoveries too. Scripture is not written as a full scientific document anyway, it is very brief allowing for many options in between the main points with even the main points having a number of possible variations. Be open minded and teachable. Clearly we are told that knowledge shall increase. Acting in an ignorant way and remaining stubborn on one’s scientific views taken from one’s own view of some brief verses in scripture is foolish when it stops you from changing your mind on things once discovered. At this point you have become an ignoramus in their eyes and your gospel as worthless. Sir Isaac Newton, arguably the greatest scientist of all time invented the scientific method and yet devoted more time to reading and studying scripture than studying science alone.
It’s not like Evolution which is a theory and we can agree is just plain wrong for a ton of reasons. The Globe Earth is the only model that makes mathematical sense, and there is lots of observational evidence too. Once we who are the light subscribe to a Flat Earth and the reason given is because the Bible, that paints the Bible in poor light and it reflects badly on all Christians for believing that book. We need to be wise people. There are souls out there that do not know God and some of them have been given a good reason to reject the gospel because ‘the Bible’. Sad.
T8: “The above videos pretty much wraps up the debate IMO. Does anyone want to disprove the arguments made in them. If not, then this is enough proof for me that the Earth is a sphere and not a disk.”
Do you mean call everyone that thinks different than you a retard and then shut down the debate? If that’s the point then no, it ain’t over.
Did the guy once mention that it is an equidistant map? No. Did he treat it like one or do calculations like it was one? Nope. Can you say strawman? Sure, I knew you could.
Can you put those arguments into your own words, kind of like the point of this debate; what can you see and discern for yourself.
Look, it’s really simple guys. In order for the earth to be a sphere it has to have a curve. However, when we try to find it, it just isn’t there. Maybe start there.
Pay attention Dig. I said to ignore the insults and focus on the math and science he is producing. Believe me, if there was a more civil video series showing these facts, I would have shown that instead. The truth, math, and science doesn’t care about your feelings. Truth is true no matter how we feel about it.
But you want to start again, wipe these facts away and debate from the ground up from our own experience. But that is a very narrow view of the world Dig. Further, we are not really well equipped to overrule science given our lack of budget and time, not to mention education.
Of course there is merit to checking things out from our perspective as that is basically what you are saying. But I find that a bit ironic too as perspective was pretty much ruled out by Mike and he preferred literal. These videos are literal. Can you counter the arguments he makes or not?
To see the curve of the Earth takes way more than little experiments in our flat earth experience of this globe. But sure, while I believe the war is won, we can contend in smaller battles from our own perspective and bring these into truth too.
T8: “To see the curve of the Earth takes way more than little experiments in our flat earth experience of this globe. But sure, while I believe the war is won, we can contend in smaller battles from our own perspective and bring these into truth too.”
You said “focus on the math“. OK, the curve should be able to be calculated then, right? The globalist’s math says that it is 8″ per mile squared. That means in 1 mile it is 8″ and in two miles it is 32″ and in three miles it is 6 feet or 72”! That’s the math – DO YOU DISPUTE IT?
If not then we can or should be able to observe the curve. We don’t. Why?
Where is the curve?
How do you explain this? A rail gun that can fire a projectile over a hundred and twenty five miles away in a straight line?
It isn’t a smart projectile it’s a dumb projectile, it just goes really really fast! Where’s the curve! Huh?
This rail gun goes over 6,600 feet of illedged curvature to hit its target! How does it do that on a line of sight weapon?
6,600 feet of curvature is over a mile “hump” in the globe! Again, where’s the curve? Let’s start here. And don’t call me a retard for looking at working science and figuring out that it doesn’t line up with theoretical science.
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