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D4T: The language of the creation days makes it clear that normal days are in view. So to interpret the days as anything other than normal days would be forcing a particular meaning.
T8: …prove to me that the first day without the sun was 24 hours with a morning and evening.
Exodus 20
8 “Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
T8, how many days did God command for us to work before taking one day off? And more importantly, what was the reason that Jehovah Himself gave for this commandment?
T8: I loved the Truman Show too and it did remind me a lot about the deception of the world…
So you caught that it was a deception, and that the entire world was involved in it? Good. Now think on those words I told you… “We accept the version of the world with which we are presented”… even if that version is an entire worldwide deception.
T8: That said, what you are proposing with the Globe Earth conspiracy is just way too big to believe.
What if Truman had a friend named T8, who was also in the dark about the worldwide deception they were living? And Truman started talking to T8 about things that just didn’t add up in the version of the world they were being presented? And T8’s response was, “Come on, Truman. What you’re proposing is just too big of a conspiracy to believe. Surely this many people can’t be involved in a deception. Stop being paranoid.” But Truman’s friend T8 would have been wrong, right?
Or what if T8 was one of the friends who came to “comfort” Job? Job starts laying out the situation…
First, Sabeans attacked my servants out of the blue, killed all but one of them, and stole all my oxen and donkeys. Then, fire fell from the sky and burned up all my sheep, along with the servants who were tending them. Then, the Chaldeans attacked out of the blue with not one, not two, but three different raiding parties. They stole all my camels, and put the servants who were tending them to death with the sword. Then, a mighty wind swept in from nowhere and struck the four corners of the house where all my children were having a get-together, and the house collapsed and killed every last one of my kids. And then, out of the blue, I became afflicted with painful sores from the soles of my feet to the crown of my head. T8 my friend, I’m beginning to think someone is conspiring to do me harm.
T8 responds… Brother Job, don’t talk such silliness. What you’re proposing is ludicrous. Do you really expect me to believe that a whole clan of Sabeans were in on some secret plot to kill your servants and steal your oxen and donkeys? Don’t you realize how many people would have had to be in on it? And then triple that number for the Chaldeans. Do you seriously think all those people were in cahoots together just to do you harm? And then what… you think that some secret agency has some directed energy weapon that can just aim down at only your sheep? Whatever would they do that for – even if there was such a secret weapon? And you think that man can control the weather, and cause a windstorm to rise up – right at your son’s house – and blow the house down on top of them? Why would anyone want to kill your kids – and where would they have gotten a weapon by which they could control the weather? And to top it all off, you think some foreign entity has attacked you personally with a biological weapon – causing only you to become infected – but not your wife who was right there with you? Dude, can you even hear yourself? What you’re proposing is a conspiracy so wide spread that you’d have to be a lunatic to even consider it. You need to stop being paranoid, man, because you’re sounding like a real wack job here.
But of course, T8 would have been wrong once again, wouldn’t he?
Do you realize that all the kings and armies of the entire earth are going to rise up to do battle against the Lamb and his armies? Do you think these regular old people like you and I are going to know who they are going into battle against, and why? I think the vast majority of them will be deceived by the god who currently rules over this sick world, and will be led into believing – through many various deceptive means – that they are doing a service to God and country. I believe the “enemy” they gather to fight will be aliens from another galaxy who are invading earth to kill us all. So the majority of them will think they’re doing a good thing to save the poor woman and children of the world from this vicious alien race. Only the alien race will be Jesus and his armies of angels. That’s just speculation, but look around you. Every other story out today is about space this and space that, aliens this and aliens that. They’re priming us with all these space movies they’ve been shoving down our throats since the 50’s.
Mark my words. We will be on the verge of an”alien attack” before too long. Trump just created his “Space Force”, right? And all of these lies are made possible by the lie of the Copernican heliocentric model. And all those who have been deceived into believing that nonsense will be equally deceived into believing they’re gathering to do battle against aliens from another world. But don’t worry, because nobody can pull off a deception that large, right? All the kings and armies of the entire earth can’t be deceived, because in your mind, even a few thousand people are too many to carry out a conspiracy, right?
Equatorial bulge
The earth, it is said, has a bulge at the equator. Does anyone know how high this bulge is?
It’s 14 miles high, so they say, that’s higher than any mountain and higher than the airplanes fly from the surface! That’s quite a lot of centrifugal force! Yet the water on the earth does not flow to the equator or fly off of the earth. In fact we have placid lakes with mirrored water as calm as it gets. This is a ridiculous scenario.
Can anyone explain why this would be so?
I imagine the atmosphere is included in the rotation of the Earth, thus everything is moving in sync bulge or not, so do not see an issue with it myself. And the altitude of the sea is sea level, whether it is on the bulge or not makes no difference to the atmosphere as it starts from there up. Went to check if I am correct and found this:
An equatorial bulge is a difference between the equatorial and polar diameters of a planet, due to the force exerted by its rotation. A rotating body tends to form an oblate spheroid rather than a sphere. The Earth has an equatorial bulge of 42.77 km (26.58 mi); that is, its diameter measured across the equatorial plane (12,756.27 km (7,926.38 mi)) is 42.77 km more than that measured between the poles (12,713.56 km (7,899.84 mi)). An observer standing at sea level on either pole, therefore, is 21.36 km closer to Earth’s centrepoint than if standing at sea level on the equator. The value of Earth’s radius may be approximated by the average of these radii.
An often-cited result of Earth’s equatorial bulge is that the highest point on Earth, measured from the center outwards, is the peak of Mount Chimborazo in Ecuador, rather than Mount Everest. But since the ocean also bulges, like Earth and its atmosphere, Chimborazo is not as high above sea level as Everest is.
So I think the point is sea level at the equator is higher than it is in the polar regions if you measure from the core. The atmosphere simply starts from above the sea so everything is relative. In the case of mountains, I imagine that as you climb higher you are climbing into the atmosphere and this is why oxygen gets thinner.
Wikipedia stats on diameter of planets
Generally any celestial body that is rotating (and that is sufficiently massive to draw itself into spherical or near spherical shape) will have an equatorial bulge matching its rotation rate. Saturn is the planet with the largest equatorial bulge in Earth’s Solar System (11808 km, 7337 miles).
The following is a table of the equatorial bulge of some major celestial bodies of the Solar System:
Body Equatorial diameter Polar diameter Equatorial bulge Flattening ratio Earth 12,756.27 km 12,713.56 km 42.77 km 1:298.2575 Mars 6,805 km 6,754.8 km 50.2 km 1:135.56 Ceres 975 km 909 km 66 km 1:14.77 Jupiter 143,884 km 133,709 km 10,175 km 1:14.14 Saturn 120,536 km 108,728 km 11,808 km 1:10.21 Uranus 51,118 km 49,946 km 1,172 km 1:43.62 Neptune 49,528 km 48,682 km 846 m 1:58.54 Equatorial bulges should not be confused with equatorial ridges.
What are the deceptions exactly
So you caught that it was a deception, and that the entire world was involved in it? Good. Now think on those words I told you… “We accept the version of the world with which we are presented”… even if that version is an entire worldwide deception.
The world teaches all kinds of false religion, atheism, evolution, abortion, alternate sexuality, etc and many in the world are blinded by such. But faking of the Antarctic continent, spherical earth, and solar system is a completely different thing altogether. The Bible doesn’t disagree with these findings and they are too hard if not impossible to fabricate. Further, there is very little reason for doing so. The world is full of people who believe in God despite being shown the Earth is a globe. You would think the conspirators would have realised by now it is not working and end the spending of trillions of dollars from God knows where they get it. And as for the millions of actors who pretend to be explorers, yacht race participants, owners and employees of the space and satellite industries, Google, all who sail in the Southern Ocean, Christchurch Airport, Qantas, Air New Zealand, governments who have territory in the frozen continent, etc, there are not just too many, but a sufficient amount of actors would have come forward after they became true believers in God. Just too wacky to believe in this.
I believe in the existence of Madagascar for example, not because I have been there, but because there is little reason to fake its existence and there would be too many people who could blow the lid on that conspiracy. Same for what you are proposing. Can you for example give me indisputable proof that Madagascar exists? I bet the proof is not better than the proof for the globe earth. Further, many convert to faith in God and of all the conspirators in the Globe Earth, why hasn’t any come forward. More holes in this theory than a sieve.
I see this FE thing as a way to waste Believers time investigating a conspiracy that is not true and also to also give the Bible a bad name by teaching this is what the Bible actually says, when in fact it does not teach your view of a Flat Earth, 24 hour creation day, and doesn’t mention anything about man never landed on the moon. These are just conspiracies you have signed up for. The Bible never led you there. The rubbish doctrines and teachings that people use the Bible to support are many. Flat Earthers, Mormons, Gorbachev is the antichrist believers, Ancient Aliens, etc all use the Bible. And all their evidence is weak. None of them or few were led to these beliefs by reading scripture. They were convinced of it first and then use the Bible where they can to support these views while ignoring anything in scripture to the contrary.
Knowledge shall increase and if that knowledge tells us why the sun circuits over us and simplifies the orbits of wandering stars, then so be it. It doesn’t change a thing about how we view things from here does it. It still looks the same and if we are to look up and if the stars fall down to earth, then such things will happen whether we understand them scientifically or not. When these things are observed by us, then we know the time. If God gave us descriptions of observations from outer space, or from under the ground, then what would be the point right. No he talks to us using our perspective of things so we will know what season we are in. It never rules out that increases knowledge would show us how we get to view the sun as we do and the moon as we do and the stars as we do.
T8, I think you missed the point. If the earth is bulging at the equator then the surface would also have to be effected. Do people on the equator feel this force? Is it detected in the placid lakes?
T8, I think you missed the point. Rev 18:23 and the light of a lamp will not shine in you any longer; and the voice of the bridegroom and bride will not be heard in you any longer; for your merchants were the great men of the earth, because all the nations were deceived by your sorcery. Entire nations can and will be deceived.
T8, I think you missed the point. If the earth is bulging at the equator then the surface would also have to be effected. Do people on the equator feel this force? Is it detected in the placid lakes?
The atmosphere is moving with it so no. If I am in a car going 50 km/h, I can throw a tennis ball in the air and catch it one second later despite the ball moving quite a distance. This is exactly the same for a car going 100 km /h.
T8, I think you missed the point. Rev 18:23 and the light of a lamp will not shine in you any longer; and the voice of the bridegroom and bride will not be heard in you any longer; for your merchants were the great men of the earth, because all the nations were deceived by your sorcery. Entire nations can and will be deceived.
They are deceived. Many engage in murder (abortion), godlessness (atheism/evolution), attack on the family structure (honor thy father and mother), etc. Notice these things can keep people out of the kingdom. I never read anywhere that Globe Earthers do not inherit the kingdom. The deceptions the world tries to sell are deadly. You don’t go to hell because you have a different scientific view on something.
Creation days
T8, how many days did God command for us to work before taking one day off? And more importantly, what was the reason that Jehovah Himself gave for this commandment?
The Earth has reflections or images of heaven. We are God’s image. Eden and the rivers were like Paradise and the river of life. That river of life is spirit, but all physical life needs water, as our spirit needs God’s spirit. Jesus said he had water that gave eternal life.
Our week is a reflection of the creation week and we rest in the last stage as God did. It is written nowhere that the creation days were 24 hours. That is adding to scripture. We know that a day for God is not like a day for us. That we do know.
But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.
Mike said:
I believe the “enemy” they gather to fight will be aliens from another galaxy who are invading earth to kill us all. So the majority of them will think they’re doing a good thing to save the poor woman and children of the world from this vicious alien race. Only the alien race will be Jesus and his armies of angels.
Here is an opposing view where the aliens are demons:
There could well be an end time alien delusion.
Could also be because of the Islamic end time eschatological view where the real Jesus from the bible is thought to be Al-Masih ad-Dajjal in Islam thought.
Hi Mike,
So you have found one literal use of the word DAY.
And that gives you the right to make it’s use ALWAYS LITERAL.
Whom do you serve?
To all….AT the end of the thousand year reign of Jesus and the Saint’s, evil will once again be released back on the earth, and will go out to decieve the nations, and bring them together to war against Jesus and the Saints, who have retracted back to Jerusalem, and fire will come down from heaven and devour them all. The only one to surive will be JESUS AND THE SAINTS.
WHY does the people on the earth who were under the rule of the saints and Jesus, turn againt them, because even through they lived in a perfect world under t h e rule of Jesus and the saints, they never had recieved the holy spirit in them, and when evil is released again for a little while, they are easely decieved by the devil, why, because they did not have the spirit of truth abiding in them, but the SAIBT’S AND JESUS did, and therefore Satan could not decieve them as he does the whole rest of humanity.
So whats the lesson learned here, what does the picture show, what is GOD TRYING TO PROVE? SOMETHING VERY SIMPLE BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT LESSON WE COULD EVER LEARN, AND EVEN THOUGH IT TOOK A THOUSAND YEARS TO TEACH IT , IT WAS NESSARY FOR ALL TO LEARN,
THE LESSON IS THAT WITHOUT GOD’S HOLY SPIRIT ABIDING “IN” US, NO MATTER HOW MANY THOUSANDS OR MILLIONS OF YEARS WE LIVED WITHOUT EVIL IN OUR LIVES, NO MATTER HOW MUCH RIGHTIOUSNESS AND GOOD WE HAVE DONE, WHEN EVIL COMES WE WOULD ALL FALL AS THEY WILL, IT IS APSOLUTELY NESSESARY THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH DWELL IN US, AS IT DOES THE SAINTS AND JESUS, WHO OUT OF ALL THE EARTHS POPULATION, DID NOT SUCCUMB TO THE EVIL ENFLUENCES.
THE THOUSAND YEAR RULE, PROVES THE POINT, SIMPLE BUT APSOLUTELY NEEDFUL, FOR ALL TO SEE AND UNDERSTAND, GOD THE FATHER HIMSELF MUST KEEP US, LEAST WE FALL TO EVIL.
Peace and love to you all and yours. ……..gene
Hi Gene,
You seem to have become frightened of using the name SATAN or THE DEVIL.
Instead you suggest EVIL IS IMPRISONED for 1000 years.
Hmmm
T8: “6 distinct stages; A beginning and ending of each period; Sun appeared in the firmament in the 4th stage;”
Your word is “stage” the biblical word is day.
You claim the sun “appeared” on the 4th ” stage”, however the Bible says the sun was “made” on day 4.
The Earth has an equatorial bulge of 42.77 km (26.58 mi); that is, its diameter measured across the equatorial plane (12,756.27 km (7,926.38 mi)) is 42.77 km more than that measured between the poles (12,713.56 km (7,899.84 mi)).
Wow, I stand corrected. It’s not 14 miles but 26 miles according to your source.
So is it your point that a force that can raise the surface of the earth made of rock dirt and water 26 miles would not be felt by a person or observed in a body of water? So powerful but yet so gentle that it cannot be felt by the most sensitive person or a placid body of water. A little too much for me to believe.
The Scripture that says, “But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day.” Does not mean that a day is a thousand years or a thousand years are a day. It simply describes God’s timelessness. God is outside of time and not effected by it – but we are.
But let’s run with your theory. Is 7,000 years enough time for a an atmosphere to develop and then for the sun to appear thru the atmosphere? How long would it take for just the atmosphere to develop?
The breathable air we enjoy today originated from tiny organisms, although the details remain lost in geologic time
For some untold eons prior to the evolution of these cyanobacteria, during the Archean eon, more primitive microbes lived the real old-fashioned way: anaerobically. These ancient organisms—and their “extremophile” descendants today—thrived in the absence of oxygen, relying on sulfate for their energy needs.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/origin-of-oxygen-in-atmosphere/
While that’s hardly an answer it did answer the question if 7,000 years was enough time. Clearly it was not. So even giving you 7,000 years you still could not account for the atmosphere to develop and then for the sun to be able to shine thru. Would you like to offer a better timeline?
Since neither could account for the evolution of the earth in a naturalistic way then why don’t we take God at His word? We can call it one week or 7 days with the sun being made on day 4.
But let’s run with your theory. Is 7,000 years enough time for a an atmosphere to develop and then for the sun to appear thru the atmosphere? How long would it take for just the atmosphere to develop?
Not my theory at all. I believe 7 stages which could have been 7 minutes or 7 million years. It doesn’t give us the exact unit.
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