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Gene, gyros resist motion put simply. If an airplane is going over a curve the gyro would resist that motion and move backwards to maintain its level.
Boats going over the horizon can easily be debunked by yourself. Grab any cheap set of binoculars and watch a boat “go over the horizon”. Then look through the binoculars – presto! It’s back in view. What happened to the curvature? Eventually it will fade out of sight due to atmospheric disturbance or lack of magnification.
D4T: Psalm 74:16-18 Yours is the day, Yours also is the night; You have prepared the light and the sun.
17 You have established all the boundaries of the earth; You have made summer and winter.
18 Remember this, O Lord, that the enemy has reviled, And a foolish people has spurned Your name.The light AND the sun? Boundaries of a spherical earth? Where’s the end of a sphere?
Good catch.
A pillar holds stuff up unless it is in the context of a metaphor speaking of a person. If you said that you had a footstool being held up by pillars it would have to be the literal meaning.
Andrew: Did God break the law of gravity by Jesus ascending to heaven? or maybe Jesus just didn’t have much respect for that law?
Maybe Jesus was comprised of helium. 🙂
T8: If these pillars are literal, then Jesus has a literal double edged sword coming out of his mouth and locusts with the faces of men will appear in the end times.
What? Why?
Dig4truth, o really, that’s not what I personally have seen with my oun eyes. Your using smoke and mirrors to try to convince people to believe a lie. There are thousands of evidences available to anyone that apsolutly prove the earth is round. It almost imbarnancing to even contemplate a flat earth, people have known for centuries the earth is a sphere.
As far a gyros go they resist change to the axis they are spinning on, that is on surface they are attached to, that is why there are two Gryos in plains and ships that have auto pilots. They are mounted perpendicular to each other. It all has to do with the axis they are spinning on, either right left or up down.
Still waiting for your apology for not knowing who raised Jesus.
Look Dig4truth, you are not dealing here with novice, we know the scriptUres and what they say. This stuff about Flat Earth has nothing to do with the Truth of God, it just a destruction to what really counts, the kingdoms of God and His righteousness, that is what we should be discussing here, not this Flat Earth “GARBAGE” . It has “NOTHING” to do with the kingdom of GOD Nor HIS righteousness. This FE thing is just a deversion from what really matters, a tool used by Satan to try to throw of people from seeking true scriptural understanding. A waste of time. IMO
peace and love to you and yours……gene
Andrew: Mike,
Thanks for your kind response as well and the vids concerning satellites. I take it you agree with many of the conspiracy theories out there. Do you listen to Alex Jones? I used to quite a bit but he’s on while I’m working now. I don’t buy into a lot of the theories but enjoy listening to him when I can. And I’ve got a program I just recorded on the dvr about the moon landings. The fellow who did “A Funny Thing Happened on the way to the Moon”, -which I haven’t seen yet, is on the show which was on AHC channel today. It’s called Chasing Conspiracies-The Cold War in Space.
I know who Alex is, but I have never listened to any of his shows. Most of the flat earth community considers him “controlled opposition” – but I couldn’t weigh in on that since I’m not familiar with his stuff. But yes, there are a lot of conspiracies and deceptions going on out there… all being run by the same group who runs the world. The mainstream media is owned by only 5 entities, and “journalists” are merely actors reading scripts that have been prepared for them.. And as the following video shows, these entities are not very happy with the citizen investigators on the social media outlets who don’t follow the mainstream script…
This one is hilarious, and shows very well how these guys just read the script that has been written for them…
The leaders of most countries are merely puppets on a string, dancing to the beat of their masters. In the US, presidents are selected, not elected. And every major nation has two distinct opposition parties (ie: Democrat/Republican) by design. One of the main goals of the god who runs this world for the time being is to have constant divisiveness among the masses. So yeah, there’s a lot of stuff we’re being led to believe that has no relation to the reality of the world in which we live. That we live on a spinning ball flying through infinite space at millions of miles per hour is integral to the rest of the lies. It is the granddaddy of them all.
I hope you get the chance to watch A Funny Thing…, because it is a well done documentary – as is Sibrell’s Astronauts Gone Wild – where he tries to get the men who “went to the moon” to swear on a Bible that they did that. But the moon landing hoax is so well documented with such blatantly obvious proofs that you can trip over the sheer amount of videos that have exposed it. That’s why I’m a little surprised to find that people still believe we went. Pick a YouTube video – any YouTube video – and just watch it for 15-30 minutes. That’s all the time it takes to know it was a hoax. Search YouTube for “Paul on the Plane: Auditing Apollo”. It is a series of short videos, each on exposing a few of the mistakes in the Apollo photographs. Each one begins with a most glaring error… a wet American flag (no water in space).
Let me know what you think after watching that moon program you DVR’d. And by all means, keep the flat earth questions coming. Nobody here is asking you to take our word for any of it. But the proof is clearly available for anyone to see. I’ll gladly point you to some places where you can see it and make your own mind up about it.
Gene, don’t doubt me, the ship is not going over a curve. Just use the binoculars or small telescope and you can prove it to yourself. If it were simply going over a curve then magnifying it would not bring it back into view.
As you can see in this 40 second clip:
Gene, gyros aren’t attached to any surface. They free spin in all directions, otherwise they’d be useless. In their free spinning ability the housing is attached to a surface but it does not effect the gyro.
Gene, I believe I was clear when I responded to your question about Yeshua’s resurrection. Which Scripture did you have a problem with?
Yes Gene, we all have seen the wonderful things scientism has done for the kingdom of God. Why evolution alone has brought, I don’t know how many would you say into the kingdom? Oh, and the part where we are just an insignificant spec in an infinite space full of other insignificant specs, how many would you say that has brought into the kingdom? Yes, ain’t science so godly!
Hi Dig God bless, using the tanach wow that’s impressive. Dig this is where the Jewish people went wrong ,, didn’t except the way of Christ I’m not under the old testament law I’m under the law of Christ. So Dig you seemed to take that to heart the scriptures of the day, not night I said day … So Dig do you believe in the inspired word God ? You probably believe in the Trinity , the old testament Jews didn’t DO You? Dig! but to try to belittle The Scripture and myself is un-call for. HEY DIG you flat earther’s are brain washed. God bless have a nice day!!!! In Him Anthony
Mike, oh my, I’m trying to stop laughing!!! Did you prove your point – big time!
Puppets on a string!
Andrew, this is the full image…
Note that the same side of the moon always faces the earth. Note that all the Apollo missions were said to have landed on the side facing the earth. Note that since that side always faces the earth, the only place the astronauts could see the earth from the moon is by looking directly above them.
And why is that earth so tiny? It’s supposed to be four time larger than the moon, but actually looks smaller than the moon looks from earth in that image. Plus, if you adjust the levels in Photoshop, it’s easy to see that the earth was pasted into these photos…
So one Apollo image (wet flag, earth too small, earth in the wrong place, earth clearly pasted in) is all it really takes to prove the hoax – although there are volumes of similar evidence out there to see with your own eyes. Because if they really went, why fake even one photo? And if we didn’t go, NASA is a deceiver, and a thief of trillions of our tax dollars, so why should we believe anything else they tell us, or any of the other Photoshopped crap they show us?
Anthony: “Hi Dig God bless, using the tanach wow that’s impressive. Dig this is where the Jewish people went wrong ,, didn’t except the way of Christ I’m not under the old testament law I’m under the law of Christ. So Dig you seemed to take that to heart the scriptures of the day, not night I said day … So Dig do you believe in the inspired word God ? You probably believe in the Trinity , the old testament Jews didn’t DO You? Dig! but to try to belittle The Scripture and myself is un-call for. HEY DIG you flat earther’s are brain washed. God bless have a nice day!!!! In Him Anthony”
What? Yes, Jewish people DID accept Yeshua! Hello, the disciples, remember them? The thousands in Acts 21:20? Ring a bell?
The Law of Messiah is the same as the Law of God. Please tell me you don’t disagree with this. If Messiah added or took away from the Torah He would be disqualified from being Messiah.
I’m missing the part where I’m belittling the Scriptures or you. Can you clarify?
Kathi: Maybe the water came forth out of God and then the birth of the Son happened. Neither was created, both came forth. Perhaps with the water from inside of God came matter and with the Son came Light. Btw, a woman giving birth always has water coming out of her before the baby. Coincidence?? Something to think about.
God: Oh crap… my water broke! The child is coming! Just kidding. 🙂
Okay, but if Jesus coming out from God makes him equally God, then the waters from which the heavens and earth were formed would also be equally God – on the same exact level as Jesus. Actually, one might say on a higher level than Jesus, since they came forth out from God before Jesus did. Surely we aren’t to worship the heavens and earth – or the waters from which they were made – as you believe we are to worship the Son, right?
Kathi: Also, Mike regarding the word for “only begotten,” I’ve read a bit of what you think you learned about that word but I think that can be debunked when realizing the term “unbegotten God” was used for it to describe the Father and “begotten God” was used to describe the Son in some ancient Greek church father’s writings.
In the oldest mss, John 1:18 has “monogenes theos”, ie: “only begotten god”. In fact, that’s how the NWT and many other versions translate that verse…
John 1:18 NWT
No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god who is at the Father’s side is the one who has explained Him.
I agree that Jesus is not only a god, but the only begotten god. I just don’t confuse him (or any of the other countless gods identified in scripture) with the Most High God of all the other gods. Jesus has a God of his own, and tells us that his God is also our God. The God Jesus told us to worship and serve as our God doesn’t have a God of His own.
T8: On a Flat earth model, the Southern Ocean would be way larger and way too many people would notice it.
From 200 Proofs the Earth is Not a Spinning Ball, by Eric Dubay…
39) Practical distance measurements taken from “The Australian Handbook, Almanack, Shippers’ and Importers’ Directory” state that the straight line distance between Sydney and Nelson is 1550 statute miles. Their given difference in longitude is 22 degrees 2’14”. Therefore if 22 degrees 2’14” out of 360 is 1550 miles, the entirety would measure 25,182 miles. This is not only larger than the ball-Earth is said to be at the equator, but a whole 4262 miles greater than it would be at Sydney’s southern latitude on a globe of said proportions.
Anthony: As we have already mentioned, the Bible consistently uses the phrase, heaven and earth, to refer to the universe or cosmos…
I read the scriptures you listed, but was unable to find either “universe” or “cosmos” in them.
Anthony: Thus it is not necessary to assume the sun was not part of the heaven and the earth created on the first day…
Since there will be no need for the sun as a light source in the future, it is certainly possible that there was no need for the sun as a light source in the beginning.
Your latter statement makes null your former. Let’s take it backwards… Since there will be light without the sun in the future, there is no reason to assume there wasn’t light without the sun until day four – the time scripture clearly says God created the sun.
Ed: “And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day” (Gen 1:16)
The light he called “Day” happened on DAY 1 Mike…
“And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night.
And the evening and the morning were the first day.” (Gen 1:5)It doesn’t say God created the sun because “day” couldn’t exist without it. It says He created the greater light to “rule” the day. For example, if God specifically created King David to “rule” Israel, it doesn’t mean Israel couldn’t have existed until King David existed to rule it. Consider these scriptures…
Revelation 22:5
There will be no more night. They will not need the light of a lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light. And they will reign for ever and ever.
Notice it doesn’t say there will be no more “day” just because the sun will no longer be needed.
Isaiah 60:19
No longer will you have the sun for light by day, Nor for brightness will the moon give you light; But you will have the LORD for an everlasting light, And your God for your glory.
Notice that there will still be day… it’s just that we’ll no longer have the sun for light during the day.
But since you omitted my Genesis verses when you quoted me, let me take them one at a time here…
Genesis 1
14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the firmament…”
Did the lights really come to be at this time? If not, what is the reason behind your conclusion?
15 And it was so.
Was it really so that the lights came to be at this time? If not, what is the reason behind your conclusion?
16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars.
Did God really make the two great lights and the stars at this time? If not, what is the reason behind your conclusion?
17-18 God set them in the firmament to give light on the earth, to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness.
Did God really set them in the firmament at this time? If not, what is the reason behind your conclusion?
19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.
Did this really happen on the fourth day? If not, what is the reason behind your conclusion?
Ed, please note that when I’m asking for the reasons behind your conclusions, I’m not asking for the ways you can manipulate the words of scripture to suit your purpose. I’m asking for the reason this purposes exists in the first place. If you are honest, you will tell me clearly that the reason is because men have told you that stars/suns come before planets, and since you believe both those men and the scriptures, you are bound to find a way the scriptures can align themselves with the words of those men.
That is the honest answer, and it pains me that neither you nor T8 nor Gene nor anyone else here will just come right out and say it like it is. T8 came the closest when he said King David’s understanding of how the world really is was mistaken. Of course the underlying reason for his conclusion is that godless men have told him something different than what God’s messiah David said, and therefore it is God’s anointed “firstborn of the kings of the earth” who must be wrong – not the godless men.
But I think it would be cathartic for all of you to just admit what we all know is the truth of the matter anyway. Maybe plainly admitting it will cause you one of those moments when people say, “Now that I hear it out loud, I realize just how ridiculous it sounds.” Like this funny clip from Friends. I have it cued to the spot… you need only watch 30 seconds. Who knows… maybe you’ll have a “floating Eddy” moment.
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