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T8: My two posts above easily refute the logic that air pressure in the atmosphere will reach equilibrium and consequently be sucked out into the vacuum, of space.
No T8, they don’t. Your posts not only fail to refute the claim that there is no way that a pressurized system could exist adjacent to a near perfect vacuum, but the claims therein fail for two glaring reasons…
- They go directly against 2LoT (second law of thermodynamics), which says pressure will always and constantly move from high to low until the entire system has reached equilibrium.
- They rely on a very selective force called gravity, which was dreamed up from pure imagination as an answer to why spherical objects in the heavens could remain in orbits, and has NEVER been verified to even exist.
T8: What you are basically arguing here is that yes there is this law, but no, there are no other laws. So I could argue that you cannot fly a plane because of gravity. To say that, I have to ignore aerodynamics. Or that things fall because of gravity, so I could argue that they fall forever because I am leaving out electromagnetism.
Listen friend, you are posting a lot of videos and Google Search results that tell you what your ears are itching to hear… but you’re not thinking straight, and you’re definitely not using discernment in these things. You just keep posting blatant nonsense that you found on the web, and keep claiming it as real answers when it is anything but.
I have still not heard back about you starting the debate thread… even after repeatedly asking if you’ve done so. If you have, please let me know. If you haven’t, please do so. We’re all over the place in this thread, which is fine for it’s purpose. People are getting a chance to gain some cursory knowledge about some of the complete absurdities we’ve all taken for granted just because “science says”. I hope that will cause them to dig a little deeper and question some of these things. But in the debate thread, you and I can really pick these things apart, and I will be able to adequately address your Google and YouTube “answers” in a way that you will then be able to recognize them for what they really are.
So please start the thread if you haven’t.
Gene: Mike….Tell us who said this, “destory this “temple” and in three days (I) shall raise “it” up.
Jesus said those words, Gene.
T8: There is no up in the universe. IF there was and actual up based on up and down, then in space you wouldn’t float and then ask yourself why the earth disk doesn’t fall down by default and why would everything fall down anyway.
Interesting, because there is a clear and definitive “up” and “down” in the scriptures. Another case of men knowing more than God, I guess.
T8: But I guess you will say nothing falls, it is the disk that propels upward. But why would upward motion lead to you sticking to the disk.
There is no serious flat earther who believes that tripe from the controlled opposition organization known as “The Flat Earth Society”. It is there to mislead people just beginning to look into the topic. They mix completely absurd claims (like the earth rising at a rate that equals gravity) with a few rational tidbits. But the intent is that people thinking about checking out flat earth walk away thinking, “These guys are nuts!” So the site serves the purpose it was designed to serve.
The earth isn’t rising. God built it on foundational pillars, and it is fixed and stationary. What’s under the pillars? Probably more of the “deep” that God formed the heavens and earth out of. How do the pillars rest on the “deep”? Scripture says God hangs the earth on nothing. I don’t know the answers to these deep things of God… only what He has shared with us through His written word.
Our moving atmosphere
Again, use discernment. What on earth would make you believe such blatant nonsense? Does a speeding car cut through the air… or take all the air molecules along with it due to friction?
Air is also matter, and it is pulled towards earth’s centre and rotates with the earth. A balloon is also attracted towards the centre of Earth but it overcomes that by being lighter than the air around it. It moves with the Earth’s atmosphere while still being subject to other forces like wind etc. Does the balloon just zip away at 1500 km/h? If not, then it too demonstrates that the atmosphere is moving with the Earth. But yes, I can see that a Flat Earth model also works when describing such things as would an inverse earth where people live on the inside of a rotating globe.
There is no serious flat earther who believes that tripe from the controlled opposition organization known as “The Flat Earth Society”. It is there to mislead people just beginning to look into the topic. They mix completely absurd claims (like the earth rising at a rate that equals gravity) with a few rational tidbits. But the intent is that people thinking about checking out flat earth walk away thinking, “These guys are nuts!” So the site serves the purpose it was designed to serve.
Okay, good to know that there are different viewpoints within the Flat Earth community just as you get with any community.
Up and down
Interesting, because there is a clear and definitive “up” and “down” in the scriptures. Another case of men knowing more than God, I guess.
There is up and down regards to being closer to God and further away and God’s ways are higher than ours. Heaven is generally considered up and Hell below. Not a physical up and down in the whole Universe. Up and down implies gravity which is what you are arguing against right?
Ancient map showing Antarctica
Does this ancient map from the 1530s show Antarctica? While this should not have been known, it was drawn by Ottoman admiral and cartographer Piri Reis who claimed that his map was based from an earlier map of Christopher Columbus as a source, as well as ten Arab sources, and four Indian maps sourced from the Portuguese. An interesting mystery or perhaps a lucky guess? That said, it doesn’t appear to depict a flat earth and obviously the older source maps do not either.
Hi Mike,
Did you only hear the man Jesus speak in Jn 2.19?
Did you not know the one God has sent speaks the words of God?
Hi,
Mike now looks at everything with a skeptical eye and decides what is rational.
Quite a lonely place I would think.
Nick: “Has not God rather chosen to reveal His nature through the wonders of creation?Rom 1.20 f Are you not limiting His revelation rather to what is written and frustrating His plan?”
Are you suggesting that He hates it when we take Him at His Word? That would be a radical position to me.
Nick. “Men know more than God? You flatter yourself if you think you speak for God.”
Didn’t you just say that men by observing nature can know about the creation? If those observations are contrary to the written Word, which is what we have been pointing out – but you are arguing with us, then are not men neccessarily saying that they know more than God?
However, if we support what is in the written Word how then are we being accused for “limiting” God?
The answer of course, is that any revelation from nature can not contradict the written Word and be considered true.
Mike….So the 13 scriptures i quoted for Dig4truth, which by the way i have yet to see a commit on, you also then must believe JESUS RAISED HIMSELF FROM THE DEAD, SO those 13 scriptures must not be in your bible either, or are you simply trying to incourage your co-hart in this FE thing, right, well anyway that makes sense, why you can’t seem to see the truth in this FE thing EITHER.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……gene
Mike said:
Scripture says God hangs the earth on nothing. I don’t know the answers to these deep things of God… only what He has shared with us through His written word.
Gravity is a non-tangible thing right?
Hi Dig4,
You misquote me. The visible earth is used by God to reveal Himself.
Would you make scripture argue against scripture?
Is that wise?
This is what Rom 1 says
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men , who hold the truth in unrighteousness; because that which may be known of God is manifest to them; for God shewed it unto them.
For the invisible things of Him, from the creation of the world, are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and godhead; so that they are without excuse.
Because that, When they knew God, they glorified Him not as God, Neither were they thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and four footed beasts, and creeping things.
So gaze at the universe and see reflected the glory of God. Do not bother to try to put Him in a box that you made from your own scriptural deductions.
T8: “Gravity is a non-tangible thing right?”
Gravity is part of your theory, please tell us if it is a tangible thing or not. I won’t hold you to this challange very strongly because I don’t believe that anyone has identified exactly “what” gravity is.
T8: “The Flat Earth is the experience that God gave us of living on Earth. But knowledge increased as it is written that would happen and consequently, we see that the framework of creation comprises of spherical planets including Earth held in orbits around suns by gravity and all wonderfully made.”
I have heard you use that “knowledge will increase” over and over. Have you searched out what that means? Did you look at the original language? If you did you would notice that the it is “The knowledge”. It is not a random knowledge as in “knowledge in general” but the increase of a specific knowledge increase. Do you know what that is? Could it be the flat earth?
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