Flat Earth?

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  • #845291
     t8 
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    Again. I never claimed refraction only, but that if the math was correct and there was leftover metres when the plateau was taken into account, then it would have to be refraction. I still stand by that. You act like it is a shameful thing, but then you admit that refraction is real. Worse, you then bring out your own rescuing device called compression.

    Seriously, what kind of victory do you have if people posit refraction as the explanation if the true measurements cannot account for all of the figures. No victory at all if you ask me. A victory would actually be something that points to a Flat Earth and was not able to be refuted. It wouldn’t make it true of course, but that you successfully argued for that premise even if it was false would be a victory of sorts.

    Finally, pointing out a flaw in Globe Earth science (lol) doesn’t make the Earth a flat disc and never will.

    #845322
     mikeboll64 
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    Take that dazza and T8! 😁

    #845323
     t8 
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    Will take a look when I get home Mike.

    #845324
     t8 
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    Hi Mike.

    I am calculating when my Ruapehu pic was taken. The time in the meta data is wrong because I never (as far as I can remember) altered the time settings since I purchased the camera many years ago.

    The date is correct as you can see, but the time zone is out when compared to my car dashboard which is accurate.

    From this I will post the date and time of the Ruapehu pic.

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    #845328
     t8 
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    Brilliant video Mike. Plenty of legs left in this debate it seems.

    One thing to consider Mike with all figure based calcs aside, if the tree line is half way down the mountain in reality, then how come it is near the bottom of my photo?

    This simple observation that dazza points out is still valid right?

    I’m guessing ‘compression’ is your answer. Is that a correct assumption?

    #845331
     t8 
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    Hi Mike.

    Take a look at this image. It shows Ohakune in relation to Mt Ruapehu and remember that Ohakune is shy of 2000 feet above sea level.

    As you can see, there is heaps of forested slopes on the lower mountain, even more than half the mountain perhaps, although that could be due to be at a high elevation. I think it is correct to say that the higher up you go, the more the flat ground below you will look like it is part of the mountain. As I am say 200 metres high in my pic, that would to some degree exaggerate the trees and the foreground IMO making them seem like they are more part of the mountain than they really are (as these pics suggest), yet we have an opposite effect in my photo. What we see is a thin band of trees, which is perhaps just the very top part of the forest. So that means that the rest of the forest is hidden, Ohakune is hidden, and near 2000 feet of landscape below Ohakune is hidden. But hidden by what? The mystery continues.

    Ruapehu-Ohakune
     

    Think about this fact. If the top red line matches sea level in my photo, then all the land below and the town of Ohakune, plus 2000 feet below is under water. Al Gore might believe that, but that simply isn’t the case. Do you agree?

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     t8 
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    For a comparison

    Remember that the sea at the base of the land has to be sea level.

    Where is all the forest? Where is all the landscape gone? Where is Ohakune? They are below the curve, right?

    #845344
     mikeboll64 
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    T8:  Brilliant video Mike. Plenty of legs left in this debate it seems.

     

    Thanks T8… I’m nothing if not resilient.  😎  What did you think of the one piece of ground all the way to the right in your photo?  That’s obviously not part of the Ruapehu treeline, right?  Yet there it is, plain to see.  So that is obviously a part of this land that you guys think is behind the curve, right?

    Also, you surely didn’t go all the way up there to take one single photo, right?  Can you show us the others?  Do you have any showing a little more to the right, so we can see land all the way to Ruapehu?

    #845346
     t8 
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    #845347
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    See the extent of the forest for yourself

    Behind you is the edge of town, that is 2000 feet above sea level. Ahead of you is the steady climb through thousands of feet in altitude of forest. Watch the trees get smaller as the climate gets colder. Navigate your way up till you reach the lava rock slopes and the snowy peaks. I bet you will give up though, it takes a while. Make a coffee before you start.

    When you get to the carpark above the trees, ask yourself if my photo captured all of this forest.

    https://www.google.com/maps/@-39.4004633,175.4136802,3a,75y,76.3h,100.91t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sBrJrgNf8Z1czqvGWtcZIWw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

    #845351
     Dig4truth 
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    Mike, I just watched that last video and you nailed it. Seeing is believing and I’ve seen the light!

    Keep up the good work, you are an encouragement to us who seek the truth and if I might add, your voice is a spectacular addition to YouTube.

     

    #845394
     mikeboll64 
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    D4T, thanks a heap for your encouragement!

    T8, what do you suppose that land mass is at the right of the mountain in your photo?  It can’t be part of the treeline of the mountain, because it can’t even be part of the mountain, right?  What then? Any ideas?

     

    Btw, I think dazza is mad now.  I skyped him this morning about my upcoming moon vid, and haven’t heard a word. He usually gets right back to me. 😁

     

    #845400
     t8 
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    Nah, he’s not mad. I sent him the date in my camera so he could work out what time the photo was taken. He apologized for not replying quickly saying he was busy, but wanted to get right back into it.

    #845401
     t8 
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    Hi Mike.

    I was checking out if I took any other photos that day and came across this photo of the dome.

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    #845402
     Dig4truth 
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    That’s a beauty t8!

    #845403
     t8 
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    I had a look at all unprocessed photos taken that day and there are a few, but none of Ruapehu. So yes, I took one photo of that. Then I drove down the hill and headed north to an area of mountains and trekked in for a bit and took a number of photos there. I don’t think they would be very helpful.

    BTW, according to Google Earth, there are some hills or mountains ranging around a few hundred metres to 1000 metres high running in two bands in front of the volcano, but perhaps in front of the horizon or only partially obscured by the horizon. Perhaps its them? This pic shows these hills better. Perhaps you can get a match looking at Google Earth using this pic.

    Mt Ruapehu

    #845424
     Dig4truth 
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    That’s a whole lot of mountain there!

    #845426
     t8 
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    But not the whole thing.

    What is hiding the bottom part of this mountain?

    #845427
     t8 
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    Hi guys.

    I finally put this image up on my New Zealand photo website.
    Let me know if there is any error in the description.

    https://www.virtualoceania.net/newzealand/photos/coast/kapiti/nz3235.shtml

    #845428
     mikeboll64 
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    Lol T8!  I just got done with a 13.5 hour work day, following a bunch of 11 and 12’s.  ImI short on time but will respond when I can. 😁

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