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NIck,
you said: He was reborn from above at the Jordan showing us the way we should follow.
Where does Jesus claim to be “reborn from above?”
To quote you: “Should we add to what is revealed?”
Hi LU,
The Holy Spirit came down on Jesus at the Jordan.
Lk 24.45
Then he opened their minds to understand the scriptures, and he said to them
’Thus it is written, that the Christ would suffer and rise again from the dead the third day,and that repentance for forgiveness of sins would be proclaimed in his name to all the nations, beginning from Jerusalem. You are witnessesof these things. And behold I am sending forth the promise of the Father upon you, but you are to stay in the city until you are clothed with power from above.”
That promise was fulfilled at Pentecost when the Spirit was given. And with the laying on of hands the brothers continued to share this blessing with the baptised
And this promise is still valid as Acts 2.39 shows.
Nick,
Do you believe that it is the act of the Holy Spirit descending on man that causes one to be reborn from above? Or is it belief in Jesus as Lord that causes one to be reborn? In other words, is the act of the Holy Spirit descending on someone making someone born again or is that to empower and seal the believer who is already born again?
What comes first:
Belief in Jesus as Lord
or
Receiving the Holy Spirit?
What do you say Nick?
Hi LU,
What does scripture say?
Acts 2.37
Now when they heard this, they were pierced to the heart and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles
’Brethren what shall we do?’
Peter said to them
”Repent and each of you be baptised in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off, as many as the Lord God will call to Himself”
Nothing has changed.
You must repent and be born again of water and the Holy Spirit.
Hi LU,
Even demons believe, and tremble.
God requires witnesses to our belief.
1jn 5.5
Who is the one who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the son of God? This is the one that came by water and blood, Jesus Christ; not with the water only but with the water and with the blood. It is the Spirit who testifies because the Spirit is the truth. For there are three that testify; the Spirit and the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement. If we accept the testimony of men, the testimony of God is greater.
We do not want to be found at the wedding feast without the correct garments.
Hi LU,
Acts 10.36
The Word which was sent to the sons of Israel, preaching peace through Jesus Christ ( he is Lord of all)
Was he always?
Acts 2.36
Therefore let all the house of Israel know for certain that God has made him both Lord and Christ-this Jesus whom you crucified.
Nick,
you said:
God requires witnesses to our belief.
That is the purpose of this thread, Nick. I have presented you with those witnesses. Where are yours?
Nick,
you said:
Acts 10.36
The Word which was sent to the sons of Israel, preaching peace through Jesus Christ ( he is Lord of all)
Was he always?
Acts 2.36
Therefore let all the house of Israel know for certain that God has made him both Lord and Christ-this Jesus whom you crucified.
Yes, the Son has always been Lord of all ever since all things were made through Him. The Father has made it that way.
Col 116For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him. 17He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. 18He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything.
I hope that helps you!
LU
Nick,
You wrote:
Acts 2.37
Now when they heard this, they were pierced to the heart and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles
’Brethren what shall we do?’
Peter said to them
”Repent and each of you be baptised in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off, as many as the Lord God will call to Himself”
You haven’t shown me when scripture declares Jesus to be born again at the Jordan. Can you show anything that said Jesus ‘repented’ or can you show us that scripture says that Jesus was baptised in His own name? Again, what scripture declares that Jesus was ‘born again’ at the Jordan as you say…where are your witnesses?
LU….Where is it written, Jesus willing decided to become flesh, he had no say in that just as we have no say in being born either. Show one scripture of any activity of Jesus before his berth on this earth.
If Jesus was a God before he became flesh, he then overcame nothing himself, BECAUSE GOD CAN NOT BE TEMPTED WITH EVIL, and in no way could he be compared to us. Tell me this does it sound like a preexisting “JOHOVAH GOD”, SAYING, “MY GOD, MY GOD, HAVE YOU FORSAKEN ME”.on the cross, a ALMIGHTY GOD WOULD KNOW HE WOULDN’T FORSAKEN HIMSELF.
What about the scripture that says, “GOD IS “NOT” A MAN THAT HE SHOULD LIE NOR A SON OF MAN THAT HE SHOULD REPENT”. And all the scriptures where God himself said there is “NO” GOD BESIDES ME. HE EVEN SAID HE LOOKED FOR ANOTHER GOD AND FOUND NONE.
DO TRINITARIANS JUST TARE THOSE SCRIPTURES OUT OF THEIR BIBLES, AND GO ON AS IF THEY DON’T EXIST? NOT TO EVEN MENTION THE HUNDREDS OF OTHER SCRIPTURES THAT PLAINLY SAY THERE IS “ONLY’ ONE GOD And “ONE” MEDERATOR BETWEEN GOD (THAT ONE GOD) AND MAN “THE MAN” JESUS CHRIST.
What do you do with this scripture, “that they might know you, THE (ONLY) TRUE GOD , and Jesus the anointed one whom you sent. Now if JESUS said the “ONLY” TRUE GOD, what does that exactly mean to you LU.
JESUS is the “only” begotten human being that God himself begot from humanity by impregnating a human women. Therefore he is called the “only” begotten by GOD FROM HUMANITY. HE WAS NOT MORPHED FROM ANOTHER EXISTENCE TO A HUMAN BEING. If that were the case then that would make Jesus a lier saying he was a son of man, whrn in fact he was just “morphed” from another existance.
Nick is right in this LU, IMO
Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
Gene,
you asked:
Show one scripture of any activity of Jesus before his berth on this earth.
How about a chapter?
Genesis 18:
1And Jehovah appeared unto him by the oaks of Mamre, as he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day; 2and he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood over against him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself to the earth, 3and said, My lord, if now I have found favor in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant: 4let now a little water be fetched, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree: 5and I will fetch a morsel of bread, and strengthen ye your heart; after that ye shall pass on: forasmuch as ye are come to your servant. And they said, So do, as thou hast said. 6And Abraham hastened into the tent unto Sarah, and said, Make ready quickly three measures of fine meal, knead it, and make cakes. 7And Abraham ran unto the herd, and fetched a calf tender and good, and gave it unto the servant; and he hasted to dress it. 8And he took butter, and milk, and the calf which he had dressed, and set it before them; and he stood by them under the tree, and they did eat.
Sarah Laughs at the Promise
9And they said unto him, Where is Sarah thy wife? And he said, Behold, in the tent. 10And he said, I will certainly return unto thee when the season cometh round; and, lo, Sarah thy wife shall have a son. And Sarah heard in the tent door, which was behind him. 11Now Abraham and Sarah were old, and well stricken in age; it had ceased to be with Sarah after the manner of women. 12And Sarah laughed within herself, saying, After I am waxed old shall I have pleasure, my lord being old also? 13And Jehovah said unto Abraham, Wherefore did Sarah laugh, saying, Shall I of a surety bear a child, who am old? 14Is anything too hard for Jehovah? At the set time I will return unto thee, when the season cometh round, and Sarah shall have a son. 15Then Sarah denied, saying, I laughed not; for she was afraid. And he said, Nay; but thou didst laugh.
16And the men rose up from thence, and looked toward Sodom: and Abraham went with them to bring them on the way. 17And Jehovah said, Shall I hide from Abraham that which I do; 18seeing that Abraham had surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him? 19For I have known him, to the end that he may command his children and his household after him, that they may keep the way of Jehovah, to do righteousness and justice; to the end that Jehovah may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him. 20And Jehovah said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous; 21I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know.
22And the men turned from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before Jehovah. 23And Abraham drew near, and said, Wilt thou consume the righteous with the wicked? 24Peradventure there are fifty righteous within the city: wilt thou consume and not spare the place for the fifty righteous that are therein? 25That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked, that so the righteous should be as the wicked; that be far from thee: shall not the Judge of all the earth do right? 26And Jehovah said, If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place for their sake. 27And Abraham answered and said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the Lord, who am but dust and ashes: 28peradventure there shall lack five of the fifty righteous: wilt thou destroy all the city for lack of five? And he said, I will not destroy it, if I find there forty and five. 29And he spake unto him yet again, and said, Peradventure there shall be forty found there. And he said, I will not do it for the forty’s sake. 30And he said, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak: peradventure there shall thirty be found there. And he said, I will not do it, if I find thirty there. 31And he said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the Lord: peradventure there shall be twenty found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for the twenty’s sake. 32And he said, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak yet but this once: peradventure ten shall be found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for the ten’s sake. 33And Jehovah went his way, as soon as he had left off communing with Abraham: and Abraham returned unto his place.
Let me add this from the next chapter:
24Then Jehovah rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from Jehovah out of heaven; 25and he overthrew those cities, and all the Plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground.
There you go Gene…Jesus is called Jehovah here in the bolded words.
LU….SHOW me the scripture that says Jesus is JEHOVAH. NO SCRIPTURE SAYS THAT. YOU HAVEN’T PROVED THAT ONE OF THE THREE BEINGS WAS JESUS AT ALL. I THINK I BEGINING TO SEE YOU PROBLEM HERE IT’S WITH THE WORDS, LORD (adonia) “almighty GOD”, AND THE LOWER CASE lord (adoni) judge or ruler but not a God.
‘The LORD (adonia) almighty GOD, said unto my lord (adoni) human ruler Jesus the Christ, sit on my right side until I (adonia) ALMIGHTY GOD, make your enimies your footstool.
Please do a honst search on the two words, Adonia verses Adoni, they are not the same words and have different meanings, one is TRUE GOD, the other applies to any human ruler or judge, mayor m governer ect. Check it out LU.
Peace and love to you and yours. …..gene
Gene,
You said:
SHOW me the scripture that says Jesus is JEHOVAH.
Jeremiah 23:
5Behold, the days come, saith Jehovah, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and he shall reign as king and deal wisely, and shall execute justice and righteousness in the land.
6In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely; and this is his name whereby he shall be called: Jehovah our righteousness.
There you go Gene.
LU….THAT IS NOT SAYING JESUS IS , LORD GOD ALMIGHTY, READ THE REST OF THE OTHER SENTENCES, IT REFERING THE GOD ALMIGHTY, WHO IS THE ONE PUTTING ALL THINGS UNDER THE FOOTSTOOL OF Jesus, who is the king, lord (adoni) human ruler, but it is the LORD (ADONIA) DOING IT, JUST AS THE REST OF THE PARAGRAPH SHOWS.
Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
Hi LU,
You are right.
Scripture does not state that Jesus was born again at the Jordan.
Neither does it say the Peter or the brothers were born again at Pentecost.
But it does say we are to follow Jesus and we must be born again of water and the Spirit.
Gene,
Can you call Jesus “Jehovah our Righteousness?”
Realize that when Jehovah is two, both Father and Son, and the Father has authority over the Son (which would show a perfect relationship, not an inferiority), then the Son would naturally receive authority from the Father.
Nick,
I’m glad you realize this, finally.
You should no longer say that Jesus was born again at the Jordan.
LU…. so he who has God’s spirit is a God now? , GOD’S PRESENCE “IS” IN JESUS, VIA HIS SPIRIT, but that does not make him a GOD, AS JESUS SAID., “THE SON OF MAN CAN DO “NOTHING” OF HIMSELF.” “THE FATHER WHO IS “IN” ME “HE” DOES THE WORKS.” AND AGAIN BELIEVE YOU NOT THAT THE FATHER “IS” IN ME”?.
AND AGAIN THE WORDS I AM TELLING YOU ARE “NOT” “MY” WORDS, BUT THE WORDS OF HIM WHO SENT ME, AND AGAIN THAT “THEY MIGHT KNOW “YOU”, THE “ONLY” “TRUE” GOD, AND JESUS THE CHRIST (ANOINTED ONE) WHO YOU HAVE SENT.
AND AGAIN HE SAYS TO HIS SON, “SIT ON MY RIGHT SIDE UNTILL “Ì” (GOD) MAKE YOU ENIMIES YOUR FOOTSTOOL”.
WHY DOES THESE SCRIPTURES SHOW IT IS THE “ONLY” “TRUE’, GOD DOING “HIS” WORK, THROUGH A ANOINTED MAN JESUS.
You seem to think that because a person has the anointing spirit “in” them that some how makes him a God, interesting, Well is Moses also a God, how about all those who have been give the Spirit of the living GOD. “KNOW YOU NOT THAT YOU BODY “IS” THE TEMLPE OF THE LIVING GOD”
So according to your logic, an anointed person is a JOHOVAH GOD ALSO, and findibg one scripture that can be twisted to mean something it truly is not saying, against hundreds if not thousands that disprove it. Seems you have a real delima on your hands. LU.Here is another one for you to figure out, scripture says, Jesus is the first born of “many” “brothers”, so if we can say we are his brother, and have the anointing spirit in us also like him, we then according to your logic can say we are A God also right?
You trinity teachers “only” use scriptures that they can twist to fit their teachings all the while negeleting scriptures that completely deny those false teachings. Truth is found in the sum of the scriptures, not just a few misconstrued scriptures.
Lu, go and read what JESUS SAID to God about some could have mistook him for God, and see how he corrected what he said and why to God the father. John 11:40-42. Don’t just read it study it, with the spirit of truth you should be able to see, where no way JESUS WAS GIVING THE IMPRESSION HE WAS trying to show them he was God. Take time and think about.
Peace and love to you and yours. …..gene
Hi Gene,
I’m gonna try to show you the actual Hebrew of that verse that tells us that Jesus will be called Jehovah (Yahweh) our Righteousness. Look for the word YAHWEH. Go to this link
http://biblehub.com/interlinear/jeremiah/23-6.htm
Blessings, LU
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