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Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 25 2014,12:14) Quote (Wakeup @ June 24 2014,16:11) Terra; Mike and some others believe that Jesus was the first creature created. And through Him all things are created. But they could not name that first creature.
His name can not be THe Word;because the Word created the so called creature.They are in error,but the proud heart will not admit it.
Actually, I just did name him…….. not that it's important anyway. We don't know what his new name is right now……….. is that important to us? Does our everlasting life depend on our knowing that name RIGHT NOW?I mean, if Jesus was NOT the first being God ever created, then someone else WAS, right? What was his name? And is it important? If so, tell me how it is important.
Mikeb.You still will not, or can not perceive.
He is God's own Word Which God gave a form,
as His own image.
That is why He is called *THE WORD OF GOD*.
And you call this nonsense:meaning impossible.If He was another creature;then he must have been given a name. which you can not come up with.
The closes you can guess would be Micha'el.
But this wont work,because He is also a created creature.As expected from you, regarding this as not important.
I am still waiting for a name.wakeup.
I already gave you the NAME, Wakeup……… the first time you asked. The NAME is “Jesus”. So why do you keep saying that I “can't” give you a name?
Also, since you keep IGNORING it in the other thread, I will once again point out these things for you:
1. If you are right, and God caused His own literal word to become a separate, living, breathing being, complete with a will and mind of his own, then God caused a new being to COME INTO EXISTENCE – when that being didn't exist before.
2. The act of “creation” is the causing of things/beings to come into existence when they didn't exist before.
Do you understand these things? Your doctrine says that God caused a NEW being to exist. So no matter how YOU want to word it, God causing a NEW being to begin existing means God CREATED a new being.
3. That first NEW BEING that God caused to exist – the being who didn't exist before that time – would be the FIRSTBORN OF EVERY CREATURE.
He would be THE BEGINNING OF THE CREATION BY GOD.
God would have created him AS THE FIRST OF HIS WORKS.
He would be called GOD'S FIRSTBORN SON.
Do any of those titles sound familiar to you? To whom do those titles belong, Wakeup?
Quote (Wakeup @ June 25 2014,09:11) Quote (Ed J @ June 25 2014,03:29) Quote (Wakeup @ June 25 2014,00:43) Quote (Ed J @ June 24 2014,22:05) Quote (Wakeup @ June 24 2014,15:36) Who is the name of that first creature? wakeup.
I give up, who?
EDj.What is your word's name?
wakeup.
Um, “Ed”? My word doesn't have a name; does yours?
Edj.That is exactly it.
God's Word has no name,because He is God's Word.
He is also coming as *THE WORD OF GOD*.rev.19.Terra; Mike and some others believe that Jesus was the first creature created. And through Him all things are created.
But they could not name that first creature.
His name can not be THe Word;because the Word created the so called creature.They are in error,but the proud heart will not admit it.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,My spirit has a name though, do you want to know the name of my spirit?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ June 24 2014,11:39) Quote (942767 @ June 22 2014,14:48) He did not say that the Father did not tell him to say that he came to do God's will. You did. Certainly, God did show him why He sent him.
Absolutely Marty!I have no doubt that the Father let Jesus know WHY He was sending him from heaven to earth.
Do you agree?
Hi Mike:He told him why he sent him after he was here on earth. Do you not see him in the synagogues at the age of 12 stating that he must be about his Father's business.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (Wakeup @ June 23 2014,16:48) Quote (942767 @ June 22 2014,08:57) Hi Wakeup: It may seem that way to you, but that is not what the scriptures state. Yes, he was conceived of the Holy Ghost in the womb of the vrigin Mary, and he was born into this world in the state of innocence, just as any other child is born, and he was raised under the Law by Jewish parents, and was just as any other Jewish Lad growing up under the Law, but he unlike all others did not sin(transgress the Law), and so, he was without sin when the Father said about him when he came to be baptized: “This is by beloved Son in whom I am well pleased”, but the Holy Ghost did not indwell him until after he was baptized in water.
And no, I am not speaking of another Jesus, just trying to get you to understand the truth.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty.You said that Jesus is just like any other jewish boy; than received the HS at age thirty;not before that.
Is there anyone ever born of the Holy Ghost; except Jesus?
Can you name any?wakeup.
Hi Wakeup:He is the “Only Begotten Son of God” which he was uniquely conceived by the Holy Ghost in the womb of a woman. All others were born of the sperm of man.
That means that his body is born of God. It does not mean that the Holy Ghost indwelt him at that time. The Holy Ghost indwelt him after he was baptized in water at the Jordan river.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ June 26 2014,06:31) Hi Wakeup: He is the “Only Begotten Son of God” which he was uniquely conceived by the Holy Ghost in the womb of a woman. All others were born of the sperm of man.
That means that his body is born of God. It does not mean that the Holy Ghost indwelt him at that time. The Holy Ghost indwelt him after he was baptized in water at the Jordan river.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Exactly.
I don't know why others have so much trouble accepting this.Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 25 2014,14:12) I already gave you the NAME, Wakeup……… the first time you asked. The NAME is “Jesus”. So why do you keep saying that I “can't” give you a name? Also, since you keep IGNORING it in the other thread, I will once again point out these things for you:
1. If you are right, and God caused His own literal word to become a separate, living, breathing being, complete with a will and mind of his own, then God caused a new being to COME INTO EXISTENCE – when that being didn't exist before.
2. The act of “creation” is the causing of things/beings to come into existence when they didn't exist before.
Do you understand these things? Your doctrine says that God caused a NEW being to exist. So no matter how YOU want to word it, God causing a NEW being to begin existing means God CREATED a new being.
3. That first NEW BEING that God caused to exist – the being who didn't exist before that time – would be the FIRSTBORN OF EVERY CREATURE.
He would be THE BEGINNING OF THE CREATION BY GOD.
God would have created him AS THE FIRST OF HIS WORKS.
He would be called GOD'S FIRSTBORN SON.
Do any of those titles sound familiar to you? To whom do those titles belong, Wakeup?
Mike b.We were not speaking of Jesus,but of the word before the beginning.
God did not split in two.
One; is God; and two; is His word;as his own image.What was that so called first creature's
name in the beginning?
Remember what pride does to the soul.
Dont talk the talk;but walk the talk.wakeup.
Quote (Ed J @ June 26 2014,05:13) Quote (Wakeup @ June 25 2014,09:11) Quote (Ed J @ June 25 2014,03:29) Quote (Wakeup @ June 25 2014,00:43) Quote (Ed J @ June 24 2014,22:05) Quote (Wakeup @ June 24 2014,15:36) Who is the name of that first creature? wakeup.
I give up, who?
EDj.What is your word's name?
wakeup.
Um, “Ed”? My word doesn't have a name; does yours?
Edj.That is exactly it.
God's Word has no name,because He is God's Word.
He is also coming as *THE WORD OF GOD*.rev.19.Terra; Mike and some others believe that Jesus was the first creature created. And through Him all things are created.
But they could not name that first creature.
His name can not be THe Word;because the Word created the so called creature.They are in error,but the proud heart will not admit it.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,My spirit has a name though, do you want to know the name of my spirit?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Joshua 22:34 And the children of Reuben and the children of Gad called the altar
****Ed****:
for it shall be a witness between us that the LORD is God.And I am spiderman.
wakeup.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 25 2014,14:12) I already gave you the NAME, Wakeup……… the first time you asked. The NAME is “Jesus”. So why do you keep saying that I “can't” give you a name? Also, since you keep IGNORING it in the other thread, I will once again point out these things for you:
1. If you are right, and God caused His own literal word to become a separate, living, breathing being, complete with a will and mind of his own, then God caused a new being to COME INTO EXISTENCE – when that being didn't exist before.
2. The act of “creation” is the causing of things/beings to come into existence when they didn't exist before.
Do you understand these things? Your doctrine says that God caused a NEW being to exist. So no matter how YOU want to word it, God causing a NEW being to begin existing means God CREATED a new being.
3. That first NEW BEING that God caused to exist – the being who didn't exist before that time – would be the FIRSTBORN OF EVERY CREATURE.
He would be THE BEGINNING OF THE CREATION BY GOD.
God would have created him AS THE FIRST OF HIS WORKS.
He would be called GOD'S FIRSTBORN SON.
Do any of those titles sound familiar to you? To whom do those titles belong, Wakeup?
Mikeb.I am right.
God did not split in two.
His Word has **been given** a form as His own image.
He is still Gods Word with a Form.
God Himself is a spirit;He can be of any form.wakeup.
Quote (942767 @ June 26 2014,06:31) Quote (Wakeup @ June 23 2014,16:48) Quote (942767 @ June 22 2014,08:57) Hi Wakeup: It may seem that way to you, but that is not what the scriptures state. Yes, he was conceived of the Holy Ghost in the womb of the vrigin Mary, and he was born into this world in the state of innocence, just as any other child is born, and he was raised under the Law by Jewish parents, and was just as any other Jewish Lad growing up under the Law, but he unlike all others did not sin(transgress the Law), and so, he was without sin when the Father said about him when he came to be baptized: “This is by beloved Son in whom I am well pleased”, but the Holy Ghost did not indwell him until after he was baptized in water.
And no, I am not speaking of another Jesus, just trying to get you to understand the truth.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty.You said that Jesus is just like any other jewish boy; than received the HS at age thirty;not before that.
Is there anyone ever born of the Holy Ghost; except Jesus?
Can you name any?wakeup.
Hi Wakeup:He is the “Only Begotten Son of God” which he was uniquely conceived by the Holy Ghost in the womb of a woman. All others were born of the sperm of man.
That means that his body is born of God. It does not mean that the Holy Ghost indwelt him at that time. The Holy Ghost indwelt him after he was baptized in water at the Jordan river.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty.Quote That means that his body is born of God. It does not mean that the Holy Ghost indwelt him at that time. The Holy Ghost indwelt him after he was baptized in water at the Jordan river. How can you as a God fearing christian
say such thing.The only begotten son of God was void of the Holy spirit?
For thirty years?
You better pray and ask for forgiveness;because that is not a good thing to say.wakeup.
Quote (Ed J @ June 26 2014,06:44) Quote (942767 @ June 26 2014,06:31) Hi Wakeup: He is the “Only Begotten Son of God” which he was uniquely conceived by the Holy Ghost in the womb of a woman. All others were born of the sperm of man.
That means that his body is born of God. It does not mean that the Holy Ghost indwelt him at that time. The Holy Ghost indwelt him after he was baptized in water at the Jordan river.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Exactly.
I don't know why others have so much trouble accepting this.
You too Ed. Truly.
You need to pray and ask for forgiveness.
that is not a good thing to say.wakeup
Quote (Wakeup @ June 26 2014,09:47) Quote (Ed J @ June 26 2014,06:44) Quote (942767 @ June 26 2014,06:31) Hi Wakeup: He is the “Only Begotten Son of God” which he was uniquely conceived by the Holy Ghost in the womb of a woman. All others were born of the sperm of man.
That means that his body is born of God. It does not mean that the Holy Ghost indwelt him at that time. The Holy Ghost indwelt him after he was baptized in water at the Jordan river.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Exactly.
I don't know why others have so much trouble accepting this.
You too Ed. Truly.
You need to pray and ask for forgiveness.
that is not a good thing to say.wakeup
Hi Wakeup,Jesus was born without the sin in man's seed, do you disagree?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ June 26 2014,09:49) Quote (Wakeup @ June 26 2014,09:47) Quote (Ed J @ June 26 2014,06:44) Quote (942767 @ June 26 2014,06:31) Hi Wakeup: He is the “Only Begotten Son of God” which he was uniquely conceived by the Holy Ghost in the womb of a woman. All others were born of the sperm of man.
That means that his body is born of God. It does not mean that the Holy Ghost indwelt him at that time. The Holy Ghost indwelt him after he was baptized in water at the Jordan river.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Exactly.
I don't know why others have so much trouble accepting this.
You too Ed. Truly.
You need to pray and ask for forgiveness.
that is not a good thing to say.wakeup
Hi Wakeup,Jesus was born without the sin in man's seed, do you disagree?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Yes; He is clean; a perfect specimen.
To take away the sins of the world.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ June 26 2014,09:57) Quote (Ed J @ June 26 2014,09:49) Quote (Wakeup @ June 26 2014,09:47) Quote (Ed J @ June 26 2014,06:44) Quote (942767 @ June 26 2014,06:31) Hi Wakeup: He is the “Only Begotten Son of God” which he was uniquely conceived by the Holy Ghost in the womb of a woman. All others were born of the sperm of man.
That means that his body is born of God. It does not mean that the Holy Ghost indwelt him at that time. The Holy Ghost indwelt him after he was baptized in water at the Jordan river.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Exactly.
I don't know why others have so much trouble accepting this.
You too Ed. Truly.
You need to pray and ask for forgiveness.
that is not a good thing to say.wakeup
Hi Wakeup,Jesus was born without the sin in man's seed, do you disagree?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Yes; He is clean; a perfect specimen.
To take away the sins of the world.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,What is it that you disagree with then?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ June 26 2014,10:03) Quote (Wakeup @ June 26 2014,09:57) Quote (Ed J @ June 26 2014,09:49) Quote (Wakeup @ June 26 2014,09:47) Quote (Ed J @ June 26 2014,06:44) Quote (942767 @ June 26 2014,06:31) Hi Wakeup: He is the “Only Begotten Son of God” which he was uniquely conceived by the Holy Ghost in the womb of a woman. All others were born of the sperm of man.
That means that his body is born of God. It does not mean that the Holy Ghost indwelt him at that time. The Holy Ghost indwelt him after he was baptized in water at the Jordan river.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Exactly.
I don't know why others have so much trouble accepting this.
You too Ed. Truly.
You need to pray and ask for forgiveness.
that is not a good thing to say.wakeup
Hi Wakeup,Jesus was born without the sin in man's seed, do you disagree?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Yes; He is clean; a perfect specimen.
To take away the sins of the world.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,What is it that you disagree with then?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Edj.I disagree with anyone saying that Jesus was born void of the Holy Spirit for thirty years.
wakeup.
Quote (942767 @ June 25 2014,13:25) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 24 2014,11:39) Quote (942767 @ June 22 2014,14:48) He did not say that the Father did not tell him to say that he came to do God's will. You did. Certainly, God did show him why He sent him.
Absolutely Marty!I have no doubt that the Father let Jesus know WHY He was sending him from heaven to earth.
Do you agree?
Hi Mike:He told him why he sent him after he was here on earth.
Agreed. At sometime after Jesus arrived from heaven to earth, the Father let Jesus know why he was sent from heaven in the first place.I believe Jesus regained those early memories of who he had been in heaven when John baptized him. Up to that point, I believe he was led by God via the Holy Spirit – but didn't have full knowledge (if any) of who he had been in heaven for eons before he was made flesh. When the Spirit came on him IN FULL at his baptism, Jesus was given back all those memories of his past existence in heaven.
Quote (Ed J @ June 25 2014,13:44) Quote (942767 @ June 26 2014,06:31) It does not mean that the Holy Ghost indwelt him at that time. The Holy Ghost indwelt him after he was baptized in water at the Jordan river.
Exactly.
I don't know why others have so much trouble accepting this.
I don't accept that Jesus lived his first 30 years on earth completely void of the Holy Spirit. The idea is absurd to people like Wakeup and me.First of all, he was FATHERED by the Holy Spirit. How could he not have even an inkling of that Spirit dwelling in him from the moment he was conceived in the womb of Mary?
Secondly, who exactly led Jesus to the synagogue when he was 12? What 12 year old kid tells his mother that she should have known he would be about his Father's business?
And lastly, who led Jesus to be baptized by John in the first place? When John tried to tell Jesus that he was the one who needed to be baptized by Jesus, Jesus told John that it must happen this way for “all righteousness to be fulfilled”. Who told that to Jesus? Was that just something Jesus' own human mind made up?
These are some of the things that make me believe Jesus was ALWAYS led by Spirit, but received that Spirit IN FULL MEASURE at his baptism.
Quote (Wakeup @ June 25 2014,16:30) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 25 2014,14:12) I already gave you the NAME, Wakeup……… the first time you asked. The NAME is “Jesus”. So why do you keep saying that I “can't” give you a name? Also, since you keep IGNORING it in the other thread, I will once again point out these things for you:
1. If you are right, and God caused His own literal word to become a separate, living, breathing being, complete with a will and mind of his own, then God caused a new being to COME INTO EXISTENCE – when that being didn't exist before.
2. The act of “creation” is the causing of things/beings to come into existence when they didn't exist before.
Do you understand these things? Your doctrine says that God caused a NEW being to exist. So no matter how YOU want to word it, God causing a NEW being to begin existing means God CREATED a new being.
3. That first NEW BEING that God caused to exist – the being who didn't exist before that time – would be the FIRSTBORN OF EVERY CREATURE.
He would be THE BEGINNING OF THE CREATION BY GOD.
God would have created him AS THE FIRST OF HIS WORKS.
He would be called GOD'S FIRSTBORN SON.
Do any of those titles sound familiar to you? To whom do those titles belong, Wakeup?
Mike b.We were not speaking of Jesus,but of the word before the beginning.
God did not split in two.
One; is God; and two; is His word;as his own image.What was that so called first creature's
name in the beginning?
Remember what pride does to the soul.
Dont talk the talk;but walk the talk.wakeup.
Wakeup,Nothing you wrote in that response addressed the things I said in my post. Try again……….
Is it true that YOU say the Word of God used to BE God Himself, because before the beginning, there was ONLY God? YES or NO?
Is it true that YOU say God caused His Word to take on a form, and become a DIFFERENT living, breathing BEING – who then obeyed all God's commands? YES or NO?
Answer those two with honesty (knowing that I can go back and find the posts where you said these things)…… and then we can move forward.
As for the name of God's firstborn, I have already told you THREE TIMES (five if you count the other threads in which you asked the same question) that his name in heaven was “Jesus” – even before he was born as a human being on earth.
You disagree with me about that, right? Okay then……. if JESUS was NOT the first being God ever created, YOU tell ME the name of the one who WAS the first being God ever created. And then tell me WHY it is important for us to know that name.
hi
Quote First of all, he was FATHERED by the Holy Spirit I do not believe that the holy spirit or the spirit of truth FATHERED Jesus ;but that he was made flesh BY THE POWER OF GOD AND THE WOMB OF MARY (THE MAIDEN)
IT IS TRUE HOWEVER THAT CHRIST AS BEEN BORN ACCORDING TO THE TRUTH WRITTEN IN SCRIPTURES AND THAT THE PROPHETS MADE THE PROPHECY' S ABOUT HIM UNDER THE INSPIRATION OF THE HOLY SPIRIT ;
WE TALKING ABOUT A BEING THAT WAS EXISTING AS A SOUL IN HEAVEN AND SO IT TOOK THE POWER OF GOD TO BRING HIM FORTH FROM A WOMEN , NOT THE HOLY SPIRIT OF TRUTH ,THIS WAS FOR THE THE FULFILLMENT OF THE WRITTEN WORD OF GOD
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