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Quote (942767 @ June 22 2014,09:04) Hi Mike: I don't know what kind of game you think you are playing, but I do not feel like going to the routine of stating that Jesus spoke the Words that the Father told him to speak over and over to you as if you did not hear the first time.
I gave you the scripture which states that, didn't I”?
I did not give you and opinion. I gave you scripture. So, you can believe what the scriptures state or not.
Love in Christ,
Marty
no answer ;but lot of words than mean nothing ,lame excuses ,for NOT answering Mike question ;
you made up your mind that the way you like it is the way you going to keep it ;no matter of truth in scriptures ;it is your way or the high way
Quote (942767 @ June 21 2014,21:04) Hi Mike: I don't know what kind of game you think you are playing, but I do not feel like going to the routine of stating that Jesus spoke the Words that the Father told him to speak over and over to you as if you did not hear the first time.
So is your answer that the living BEING known as Jesus Christ spoke the words of John 6:37?(It's not that hard of a question, and shouldn't take up more than a second or two of your time, Marty. I will point out that whenever people start getting defensive, it usually means things aren't working out so well for their doctrine. So, if you've nothing to hide, then just answer that very simple question in a very direct manner.)
Quote (942767 @ June 21 2014,21:04) Jesus spoke the Words that the Father told him to speak…………
This is true…….. to a certain point. But it was obviously not THE FATHER who spoke the words of John 6:38, because THE FATHER wasn't sent down from heaven to do the will of the one who sent Him, right?That's why I started a couple of scriptures earlier. I want to show a “chain of command”, so to speak. I want to make it clear that THE MAN JESUS is the one who is doing all of the talking.
Then, when we get to verse 38, there will be no doubt that THE MAN JESUS is also the one who said those words.
So I guess that is “the game I'm playing”.
Hi Mike:
You say:
Quote That's why I started a couple of scriptures earlier. I want to show a “chain of command”, so to speak. I want to make it clear that THE MAN JESUS is the one who is doing all of the talking. Ok. So, you showed that it was Jesus doing all of the talking.
He said that he only did what the Father showed him, and so, that is what he said. If you want to pick and choose, and decide what yourself if there is anything that the Father did not actually tell him to say, go ahead, and you might be right or you might not. He did not say that the Father did not tell him to say that he came to do God's will. You did. Certainly, God did show him why He sent him.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ June 22 2014,08:57) Hi Wakeup: It may seem that way to you, but that is not what the scriptures state. Yes, he was conceived of the Holy Ghost in the womb of the vrigin Mary, and he was born into this world in the state of innocence, just as any other child is born, and he was raised under the Law by Jewish parents, and was just as any other Jewish Lad growing up under the Law, but he unlike all others did not sin(transgress the Law), and so, he was without sin when the Father said about him when he came to be baptized: “This is by beloved Son in whom I am well pleased”, but the Holy Ghost did not indwell him until after he was baptized in water.
And no, I am not speaking of another Jesus, just trying to get you to understand the truth.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty.You said that Jesus is just like any other jewish boy; than received the HS at age thirty;not before that.
Is there anyone ever born of the Holy Ghost; except Jesus?
Can you name any?wakeup.
Quote (942767 @ June 22 2014,14:48) He did not say that the Father did not tell him to say that he came to do God's will. You did. Certainly, God did show him why He sent him.
Absolutely Marty!I have no doubt that the Father let Jesus know WHY He was sending him from heaven to earth.
Do you agree?
Quote (942767 @ June 22 2014,14:48) Ok. So, you showed that it was Jesus doing all of the talking.
Good, because that was the point. It might seem mindless to you, but I've been dealing with Gene, who says the Father said the words of 6:38………. and with Nick, who said “the Spirit of Anointing” (whatever that is) said those words.I assumed you would have an equally absurd theory as to why JESUS HIMSELF could not have been the one to say them.
Apparently I was wrong, and you DO believe that the PERSON Jesus Christ said the words of John 6:38. Is that correct?
If so, NOW is the time to explain to me how the PERSON Jesus Christ could say he “came down from heaven”.
You have posted some stuff before, but to be honest, I kind of blew it off, because I wanted to establish that we both agree it was the PERSON Jesus Christ who said those words.
Now I am ready to listen to your reasons about how a living being could say he came down from heaven, but he really didn't come down from heaven.
Quote (Wakeup @ June 24 2014,09:03) To all who believe Jesus was the first created creature in heaven. WHO/WHAT IS HIS NAME?
wakeup.
The WORD. Of God,Quote (terraricca @ June 24 2014,15:22) Quote (Wakeup @ June 24 2014,09:03) To all who believe Jesus was the first created creature in heaven. WHO/WHAT IS HIS NAME?
wakeup.
The WORD. Of God,
T.The Word of God created all things.
I am asking for the first created creature's name.
All creatures in heaven are created and given a name.
Like Michael;Daniel,Ariel,Raphael.Who is the name of that first creature?
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ June 24 2014,10:36) Quote (terraricca @ June 24 2014,15:22) Quote (Wakeup @ June 24 2014,09:03) To all who believe Jesus was the first created creature in heaven. WHO/WHAT IS HIS NAME?
wakeup.
The WORD. Of God,
T.The Word of God created all things.
I am asking for the first created creature's name.
All creatures in heaven are created and given a name.
Like Michael;Daniel,Ariel,Raphael.Who is the name of that first creature?
wakeup.
wthe”WORD”
GOD CREATED ALL THINGS THROUGH “THE WORD”
NOT HIS SPOKEN WORDS ,HIS SPOKEN WORDS ARE ORDERS /DIRECTION TO BE FULFILLED BY THE “WORD” HIS FIRST CREATION,HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON ;
THAT IS WHAT SCRIPTURES TEACH IF YOU WANT TO BELIEVE IT
IT IS YOUR FAITH THAT IS TO BE TRUE ,
Quote (terraricca @ June 24 2014,22:37) Quote (Wakeup @ June 24 2014,10:36) Quote (terraricca @ June 24 2014,15:22) Quote (Wakeup @ June 24 2014,09:03) To all who believe Jesus was the first created creature in heaven. WHO/WHAT IS HIS NAME?
wakeup.
The WORD. Of God,
T.The Word of God created all things.
I am asking for the first created creature's name.
All creatures in heaven are created and given a name.
Like Michael;Daniel,Ariel,Raphael.Who is the name of that first creature?
wakeup.
wthe”WORD”
GOD CREATED ALL THINGS THROUGH “THE WORD”
NOT HIS SPOKEN WORDS ,HIS SPOKEN WORDS ARE ORDERS /DIRECTION TO BE FULFILLED BY THE “WORD” HIS FIRST CREATION,HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON ;
THAT IS WHAT SCRIPTURES TEACH IF YOU WANT TO BELIEVE IT
IT IS YOUR FAITH THAT IS TO BE TRUE ,
T.The first creature was created by the Word.
How can the Word be the first creature?explain.
wakeup.
Quote (Ed J @ June 24 2014,22:05) Quote (Wakeup @ June 24 2014,15:36) Who is the name of that first creature? wakeup.
I give up, who?
EDj.What is your word's name?
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ June 24 2014,19:43) Quote (Ed J @ June 24 2014,22:05) Quote (Wakeup @ June 24 2014,15:36) Who is the name of that first creature? wakeup.
I give up, who?
EDj.What is your word's name?
wakeup.
wI had a friend his name was TRUSTWORTHY ,BUT I CAN TELL YOU HE ALSO WAS A CROCK ,NOTHING IN HONESTY WAS IN HIM,
IN THE PAST THERE WERE PEOPLE THAT WAS CALLED the word, AND AT THE BEGINNING PEOPLE RECEIVED NAMES ACCORDING TO EITHER THEIR FUNCTION OR THERE WERE ABOUT THEY LIVED ,
BUT i AM SURE YOU KNOW ALL THAT ,
SO THE BALL IS IN YOUR HANDS ,BELIEVE IT OR NOT ,
SO FAR YOU GIVE ONLY OPINIONS ;TRUST ME I HAVE MORE THAN YOU CAN HANDLE IF WE GOD IN THAT DIRECTION ,BUT IT WOULD BE ALL B.S. ,RIGHT ?YES
SO BRING SCRIPTURES OR NOTHING ,I CAN LIVE WITH EITHER
Quote (Wakeup @ June 25 2014,00:43) Quote (Ed J @ June 24 2014,22:05) Quote (Wakeup @ June 24 2014,15:36) Who is the name of that first creature? wakeup.
I give up, who?
EDj.What is your word's name?
wakeup.
Um, “Ed”? My word doesn't have a name; does yours?Quote (Ed J @ June 24 2014,22:29) Quote (Wakeup @ June 25 2014,00:43) Quote (Ed J @ June 24 2014,22:05) Quote (Wakeup @ June 24 2014,15:36) Who is the name of that first creature? wakeup.
I give up, who?
EDj.What is your word's name?
wakeup.
Um, “Ed”? My word doesn't have a name; does yours?
Edj /wdoes YOUR SON AS A NAME
IF NOT IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO GIVE HIM ONE Quote (Ed J @ June 25 2014,03:29) Quote (Wakeup @ June 25 2014,00:43) Quote (Ed J @ June 24 2014,22:05) Quote (Wakeup @ June 24 2014,15:36) Who is the name of that first creature? wakeup.
I give up, who?
EDj.What is your word's name?
wakeup.
Um, “Ed”? My word doesn't have a name; does yours?
Edj.That is exactly it.
God's Word has no name,because He is God's Word.
He is also coming as *THE WORD OF GOD*.rev.19.Terra; Mike and some others believe that Jesus was the first creature created. And through Him all things are created.
But they could not name that first creature.
His name can not be THe Word;because the Word created the so called creature.They are in error,but the proud heart will not admit it.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ June 23 2014,21:03) To all who believe Jesus was the first created creature in heaven. WHO/WHAT IS HIS NAME?
wakeup.
Is there any reason to think his name wasn't “Jesus” – even before he came to earth?I can't think of any.
Quote (Wakeup @ June 24 2014,16:11) Terra; Mike and some others believe that Jesus was the first creature created. And through Him all things are created. But they could not name that first creature.
His name can not be THe Word;because the Word created the so called creature.They are in error,but the proud heart will not admit it.
Actually, I just did name him…….. not that it's important anyway. We don't know what his new name is right now……….. is that important to us? Does our everlasting life depend on our knowing that name RIGHT NOW?I mean, if Jesus was NOT the first being God ever created, then someone else WAS, right? What was his name? And is it important? If so, tell me how it is important.
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