Firstborn of/over all creation

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 01 2014,19:42)

Hi MB, “In John 6, Jesus himself tells us that he came down from heaven.” Yes the anointed man Jesus said that. Of course it was the Spirit speaking through him.

Show me from SCRIPTURE, Nick.

(Oh, and don't forget to use only ONE scripture to support your theory, so you don't end up with a “patchwork quilt”. )

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 01 2014,20:00)

Hi MB, You agree that evil spirits speak through their human vessels but think God has less ability via His Spirit in Jesus.

See Ed? Repetitive, mundane, and useless.

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
We have shown you the words of Jesus.
We have nothing better to offer
listen to him

You say this
“Agreeing with me on anything scriptural means you're agreeing with what the scriptures ACTUALLY teach.”

But he is greater than you

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 02 2014,08:48)

Hi, Give up hope all who argue with MB. He says “Agreeing with me on anything scriptural means you're agreeing with what the scriptures ACTUALLY teach.”

Nick

no ,that is not what he says but what he says is that he present (see previous comment s) as the scriptures are written and believe them as such ,and allow scriptural correction from all ,but not opinions

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
Are you defining yourself as unteachable?
“Agreeing with me on anything scriptural means you're agreeing with what the scriptures ACTUALLY teach.”

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 02 2014,08:51)

Hi MB, We have shown you the words of Jesus. We have nothing better to offer listen to him You say this “Agreeing with me on anything scriptural means you're agreeing with what the scriptures ACTUALLY teach.” But he is greater than you

Nick

you start to sound like a broken phonograph

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 01 2014,20:51)

Hi MB, We have shown you the words of Jesus.

I haven't seen any words from Jesus that said someone besides him said the words of John 6:38.

Maybe I missed that one, Nick. Show it to me again.

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
Should we consult you as an expert on other matters too?
But you cannot hear the Spirit in Jesus so how can you help anyone?

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 02 2014,08:55)

Hi MB, Should we consult you as an expert on other matters too? But you cannot hear the Spirit in Jesus so how can you help anyone?

Nick

I was under the impression you are a born again and have received the holy spirit ;

and are all those who are born again do not believe in Jesus words

if so why using scriptures at all ???if you do not going to believe them

[942767]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 02 2014,13:46)

Quote (942767 @ June 01 2014,19:41) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 02 2014,11:56) Jesus was the Word who became flesh.  He was existing in the form of God before emptying himself and being made in the likeness of a human being.  God sent His firstborn Son into the world. That Son came down from heaven.  That firstborn Son was also the firstborn of EVERY creature, and God created all things in heaven and earth through him. This is what the scriptures teach.  Some men don't like what they teach, and so they try to mold the scriptures around their own beliefs.  But in the end, it is all for naught. But no, Mike, it is you who is rationalizing trying to Make the scriptures say what you think that they mean. Marty, There was nothing in that long post that refuted anything that I said. And more importantly, there is no amount of rationalizing (you did quite a bit in that post) that will CHANGE the fact that the PERSON Jesus is the one who said he came down from heaven, not to do his own will, but to do the will of God. That is really the BOTTOM LINE for you non-preexisters, Marty.  You can accept that scriptural teaching, or try to rationalize it away. The choice is yours.

Hi Mike:

The scriptures tell us how he came down from heaven, and if you will read what I have given you, which supported by scripture, then the scriptures will refute what you said: “that he was sent from heaven to be born of the flesh”.

His body, his flesh, was conceived by the Holy Ghost in the womb of the virgin Mary, and he was born of the virgin Mary and at that time “he was called the Son of God”.

The scripture states that He was conceived of the Holy
Ghost, not that he jumped into the womb of the virgin Mary from some pre-existing state, and then was born of flesh.

And if he said, that he would give his flesh so that we could have life, and then defines that he is speaking of the
Word of God that would be spoken through him as a man, then the Word of God was not spoken to humanity until he became a man, and specifically, in his ministry.

That is how his body, and his spirit came down from heaven according to the scriptures.

Now, give me the scripture which states that he came down from heaven in some pre-existent state into the womb of the virgin Mary to be born into this world.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[terraricca]

Marty

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Now, give me the scripture which states that he came down from heaven in some pre-existent state into the womb of the virgin Mary to be born into this world.

give me one scripture where it says IN DETAILS that God is the creator of all things

if you cannot then why are you believe in him

[942767]

Quote (terraricca @ June 02 2014,14:21)

Marty Quote Now, give me the scripture which states that he came down from heaven in some pre-existent state into the womb of the virgin Mary to be born into this world. give me one scripture where it says IN DETAILS that God is the creator of all things if you cannot then why are you believe in him

Hi Pierre:

This is what the scriptures state:

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Genesis 1 King James Version (KJV) 1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. 3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. 5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. 6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. 7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. 9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. 10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good. 11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. 12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 13 And the evening and the morning were the third day. 14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: 15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. 16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. 17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, 18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. 19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day. 20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. 21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. 23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day. 24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. 25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. 29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. 30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. [Quote]31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Does this satisfy you?

Love in Christ,
Marty

[terraricca]

Quote (942767 @ June 02 2014,09:28)

Quote (terraricca @ June 02 2014,14:21) Marty Quote Now, give me the scripture which states that he came down from heaven in some pre-existent state into the womb of the virgin Mary to be born into this world. give me one scripture where it says IN DETAILS that God is the creator of all things if you cannot then why are you believe in him Hi Pierre: This is what the scriptures state: Quote Genesis 1 King James Version (KJV) 1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. 3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. 5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. 6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. 7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. 9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. 10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good. 11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. 12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 13 And the evening and the morning were the third day. 14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: 15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. 16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. 17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, 18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. 19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day. 20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. 21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. 23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day. 24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. 25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. 29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. 30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. [Quote]31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. Does this satisfy you? Love in Christ, Marty

Marty

do not under estimate my question ;
I said in details ;

so what is the VOID

HOW DID HE CREATE THE HEAVEN AND WHAT MATERIAL WHERE USED TO MAKE IT

AND WHAT WAS THE DARKNESS MADE OFF

AND OF WHAT WAS MADE THE SPIRIT OF GOD

AND WERE DOES IT GIVE THE COMPOSITION OF THE WATER IN DETAILS

AND WHAT IS LIGHT MADE OF

AND HOW DID HE DIVIDED THE LIGHT FROM DARKNESS WHAT WAS THE MECHANISM THAT HE USED

HOW DID HE MAKE AND OF WHAT IS MADE THE FIRMAMENT

HOW DID HE MOVED THE TWO WATER AND HOW WAS IT PROCESSED TO SEPARATE THEM

DO YOU HAVE ANY SUCH A SCRIPTURE MARTY

i CAN MAKE MORE QUESTIONS FOR YOU IF YOU WANT TO ,HUNDREDS MORE

[942767]

Quote (terraricca @ June 02 2014,14:45)

Quote (942767 @ June 02 2014,09:28) terraricca,June wrote: Marty Quote Now, give me the scripture which states that he came down from heaven in some pre-existent state into the womb of the virgin Mary to be born into this world. give me one scripture where it says IN DETAILS that God is the creator of all things if you cannot then why are you believe in him Hi Pierre: This is what the scriptures state: Quote Genesis 1 King James Version (KJV) 1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. 3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. 5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. 6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. 7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. 9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. 10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good. 11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. 12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 13 And the evening and the morning were the third day. 14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: 15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. 16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. 17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, 18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. 19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day. 20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. 21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. 23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day. 24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. 25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. 29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. 30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. Quote 31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. Does this satisfy you? Love in Christ, Marty Marty do not under estimate my question ; I said in details ; so what is the VOID HOW DID HE CREATE THE HEAVEN AND WHAT MATERIAL WHERE USED TO MAKE IT AND WHAT WAS THE DARKNESS MADE OFF AND OF WHAT WAS MADE THE SPIRIT OF GOD AND WERE DOES IT GIVE THE COMPOSITION OF THE WATER IN DETAILS AND WHAT IS LIGHT MADE OF AND HOW DID HE DIVIDED THE LIGHT FROM DARKNESS WHAT WAS THE MECHANISM THAT HE USED HOW DID HE MAKE AND OF WHAT IS MADE THE FIRMAMENT HOW DID HE MOVED THE TWO WATER AND HOW WAS IT PROCESSED TO SEPARATE THEM DO YOU HAVE ANY SUCH A SCRIPTURE MARTY i CAN MAKE MORE QUESTIONS FOR YOU IF YOU WANT TO ,HUNDREDS MORE

Well, I am not as smart as God and you, and so, you are going to have to teach me since you seem to know.

I answered your question. You asked if there was a scripture that I could give you stating that God created everything in detail. I have given you the scripture. You did not say that you expected me to give you every detail of how he created everything.

You want to change in the middle of the stream.

I simply believe that you are being a pest. Like a little fly that keeps buzzing around my ear trying to get me upset, but I know how to handle these little devils.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[terraricca]

Quote (942767 @ June 03 2014,02:59)

Quote (terraricca @ June 02 2014,14:45) Quote (942767 @ June 02 2014,09:28) terraricca,June wrote: Marty Quote Now, give me the scripture which states that he came down from heaven in some pre-existent state into the womb of the virgin Mary to be born into this world. give me one scripture where it says IN DETAILS that God is the creator of all things if you cannot then why are you believe in him Hi Pierre: This is what the scriptures state: Quote Genesis 1 King James Version (KJV) 1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. 3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. 5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. 6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. 7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. 9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. 10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good. 11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. 12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 13 And the evening and the morning were the third day. 14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: 15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. 16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. 17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, 18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. 19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day. 20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. 21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. 23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day. 24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. 25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. 29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. 30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. Quote 31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. Does this satisfy you? Love in Christ, Marty Marty do not under estimate my question ; I said in details ; so what is the VOID HOW DID HE CREATE THE HEAVEN AND WHAT MATERIAL WHERE USED TO MAKE IT AND WHAT WAS THE DARKNESS MADE OFF AND OF WHAT WAS MADE THE SPIRIT OF GOD AND WERE DOES IT GIVE THE COMPOSITION OF THE WATER IN DETAILS AND WHAT IS LIGHT MADE OF AND HOW DID HE DIVIDED THE LIGHT FROM DARKNESS WHAT WAS THE MECHANISM THAT HE USED HOW DID HE MAKE AND OF WHAT IS MADE THE FIRMAMENT HOW DID HE MOVED THE TWO WATER AND HOW WAS IT PROCESSED TO SEPARATE THEM DO YOU HAVE ANY SUCH A SCRIPTURE MARTY i CAN MAKE MORE QUESTIONS FOR YOU IF YOU WANT TO ,HUNDREDS MORE Well, I am not as smart as God and you, and so, you are going to have to teach me since you seem to know. I answered your question.  You asked if there was a scripture that I could give you stating that God created everything in detail.  I have given you the scripture.  You did not say that you expected me to give you every detail of how he created everything. You want to change in the middle of the stream. I simply believe that you are being a pest.  Like a little fly that keeps buzzing around my ear trying to get me upset, but I know how to handle these little devils. Love in Christ, Marty

Marty

my point was to show you that their are many question that are not answered ;and have to be believed by faith ,based on the information that God as provided us ,

it may be not spelled the way we would like to see it ,but we can use our god given intelligence and logic ,with god's wisdom and history ,to figure out what are the most important things to know so that we can LOVE OUR CREATOR AND GOD ,WITH ALL OUR HEART MIND AND SOUL WITHIN ALL OUR STRENGTH ,

DON'T BE LIKE THOMAS THAT WANT TO SEE WHIT  HIS OWN EYES ,AND SO BELIEVE ;THIS MAY CAUSE YOU TO LOSE THE GIFT ;THAT IS WHY CHRIST SAID ;

Jn 20:19 On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!”
Jn 20:20 After he said this, he showed them his hands and side. The disciples were overjoyed when they saw the Lord.
Jn 20:21 Again Jesus said, “Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you.”
Jn 20:22 And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit.
Jn 20:23 If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.”

Jesus Appears to Thomas

Jn 20:24 Now Thomas (called Didymus), one of the Twelve, was not with the disciples when Jesus came.
Jn 20:25 So the other disciples told him, “We have seen the Lord!”
But he said to them, “Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe it.”
Jn 20:26 A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!”
Jn 20:27 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”
Jn 20:28 Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”
Jn 20:29 Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

SO FOR YOUR CONVENIENCE WE SHOULD ERASE THE FOLLOWING SCRIPTURES OR AT THE LEAST ;CHANGE THEM AND SO MAKE A HUMAN OUT OF THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD “WOULD THIS BE WISE

Jn 6:38 For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me.

JESUS COULD NOT BE MORE CLEAR THAN THIS ,EITHER YOU BELIEVE HIM OR YOU DO NOT ;

Jn 3:12 I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things?
Jn 3:13 No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man.

Jn 3:19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.

IF NOT WITH GOD YOU ARE AGAINST GOD ;LIGHT IS WITH GOD ;DARKNESS IS WITHOUT GOD

[NickHassan]

Hi 94,
You say
“That is how his body, and his spirit came down from heaven according to the scriptures.”

Of course his body and his spirit were of a man like us.

His anointing came down from heaven

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 03 2014,03:51)

Hi 94, You say “That is how his body, and his spirit came down from heaven according to the scriptures.” Of course his body and his spirit were of a man like us. His anointing came down from heaven

N

is that what scriptures tells

or is it your opinion if not show scriptures ;

you soon will find out that it is harder to talk about truth wen you have to show the back up in scriptures ;

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
Yes you always miss the point

[942767]

Hi Pierre:

You say:

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Marty my point was to show you that their are many question that are not answered ;and have to be believed by faith ,based on the information that God as provided us

The scriptures state:

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Rom 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

And,

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2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

If there is not scripture which supports what you say that you believe I will never accept it.

If God did not say it, I won't teach it. It is His Word that I am teaching not your opinions.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[942767]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 03 2014,08:51)

Hi 94, You say “That is how his body, and his spirit came down from heaven according to the scriptures.” Of course his body and his spirit were of a man like us. His anointing came down from heaven

Hi Nick:

Surely, he was a man like us in every way other that he was conceived of the Holy Ghost instead of the sperm of man, and by his spirit, I am not speaking of “breath of life”, but of the Word of God that he obeyed unto without sin unto death on the cross. It is the life that one lives in the body that defines the person and either gives him life or death. Of course, for life, one must first be born again.

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Jhn 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Love in Christ,
Marty

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