Firstborn of/over all creation

[Ed J]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 02 2014,12:40)

Hi MB, Two wills=2 persons? Only two persons by the sick logic of theologians

Hi Nick,

What are you saying?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

Marty

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His flesh came down from heaven

where do you get this from never heard this before

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ June 02 2014,07:35)

Quote (terraricca @ June 02 2014,12:28) edj is our faith not to be aligned with scriptures rather than men ,so that all men that are lined up together form one spirit in Christ and not in themselves Hi Pierre, What exactly are you saying here?   God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Edj

what i am saying is that we all believers should be lined up with scriptures in our believes so that the lined up is not of our selves ,but from scriptures ,in truth ,and so be one in Christ ,

but understand that it can only be the truth ,many religion are thinking the same thing but they are not for that reason ONE WITH CHRIST AND HIS FATHER .

[NickHassan]

Hi Ed,
Scripture never says that having a will defines a person, a sentient being
Theologians feast on such philosophical concepts

[942767]

Quote (terraricca @ June 02 2014,12:49)

Marty Quote His flesh came down from heaven where do you get this from never heard this before

Hi Pierre:

Have you heard that Jesus conceived by the Holy Ghost in the womb of the virgin Mary, and was born into this world a “man child”? Where did his flesh come from, if he was conceived by the Holy Ghost?

Love in Christ,
Marty

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
You agree that evil spirits speak through their human vessels but think God has less ability via His Spirit in Jesus.

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 02 2014,07:58)

Hi Ed, Scripture never says that having a will defines a person, a sentient being Theologians feast on such philosophical concepts

Nick

Ge 2:7 the LORD God formed the man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.

Adam did not have a will until he receive the breath into his nostrils

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
Living soul.

[terraricca]

Quote (942767 @ June 02 2014,07:59)

Quote (terraricca @ June 02 2014,12:49) Marty Quote His flesh came down from heaven where do you get this from never heard this before Hi Pierre: Have you heard that Jesus conceived by the Holy Ghost in the womb of the virgin Mary, and was born into this world a “man child”?  Where did his flesh come from, if he was conceived by the Holy Ghost? Love in Christ, Marty

Mary

science as proven that the women womb serves as a fabric to make flesh ,(at the least as the right condition to do it in)

but tell ;why does it say ;

1)Lk 1:34 “How will this be,” Mary asked the angel, “since I am a virgin?”
Lk 1:35 The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you,

2) and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.

please explain to me WHY IN #1 IT SAYS THAT ABOUT THE HOLY SPIRIT ;

AND THEN IN #2 IT TALKS ABOUT “THE POWER OF GOD “

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 02 2014,08:03)

Hi T, Living soul.

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does a living sentient person can move and do thing as he which

if not ;then can a dead sentient have a will and feelings

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Scripture never says that having a will defines a person, a sentient being

so your answer should be your answer to your own question

[942767]

Quote (terraricca @ June 02 2014,13:09)

Quote (942767 @ June 02 2014,07:59) Quote (terraricca @ June 02 2014,12:49) Marty Quote His flesh came down from heaven where do you get this from never heard this before Hi Pierre: Have you heard that Jesus conceived by the Holy Ghost in the womb of the virgin Mary, and was born into this world a “man child”?  Where did his flesh come from, if he was conceived by the Holy Ghost? Love in Christ, Marty Mary science as proven that the women womb serves as a fabric to make flesh ,(at the least as the right condition to do it in) but tell ;why does it say ; 1)Lk 1:34 “How will this be,” Mary asked the angel, “since I am a virgin?” Lk 1:35 The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, 2) and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God. please explain to me WHY IN #1 IT SAYS THAT ABOUT THE HOLY SPIRIT ; AND THEN IN #2 IT TALKS ABOUT “THE POWER OF GOD “

Hi Pierre:

You explain it to me, since you seem to know.

Jesus has a Father, and a mother, and without the Father, there is no Jesus.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ June 01 2014,19:26)

Hi Mike, So agreeing with your opinions equates to agreeing with Scripture?

It was meant as a silly little joke……. but now that you mention it, YES.

Agreeing with me on anything scriptural means you're agreeing with what the scriptures ACTUALLY teach.

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
Cobblers.
Your self assurance is invalid

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ June 01 2014,19:31)

Hi Mike, I notice when I ask the hard questions, their answers become more incoherent.

Or in the case of Nick, more mundane, useless, and repetitive.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 01 2014,19:33)

Hi MB, Yes from conception Jesus was a son of God and Mary.

Amen. (He was God's Son even before this time, but I'm happy to know that at least you no longer believe he became God's Son at the Jordan.)

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
This is why you cannot learn
“Agreeing with me on anything scriptural means you're agreeing with what the scriptures ACTUALLY teach.”

vanity vanity

[terraricca]

Quote (942767 @ June 02 2014,08:23)

Quote (terraricca @ June 02 2014,13:09) Quote (942767 @ June 02 2014,07:59) Quote (terraricca @ June 02 2014,12:49) Marty Quote His flesh came down from heaven where do you get this from never heard this before Hi Pierre: Have you heard that Jesus conceived by the Holy Ghost in the womb of the virgin Mary, and was born into this world a “man child”?  Where did his flesh come from, if he was conceived by the Holy Ghost? Love in Christ, Marty Mary science as proven that the women womb serves as a fabric to make flesh ,(at the least as the right condition to do it in) but tell ;why does it say ; 1)Lk 1:34 “How will this be,” Mary asked the angel, “since I am a virgin?” Lk 1:35 The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, 2) and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God. please explain to me WHY IN #1 IT SAYS THAT ABOUT THE HOLY SPIRIT ; AND THEN IN #2 IT TALKS ABOUT “THE POWER OF GOD “ Hi Pierre: You explain it to me, since you seem to know. Jesus has a Father, and a mother, and without the Father, there is no Jesus. Love in Christ, Marty

Marty

but both are the father #1 and #2 both are the father

so please answer the question

their must be a reason for it right

[mikeboll64]

Quote (942767 @ June 01 2014,19:41)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 02 2014,11:56) Jesus was the Word who became flesh.  He was existing in the form of God before emptying himself and being made in the likeness of a human being.  God sent His firstborn Son into the world. That Son came down from heaven.  That firstborn Son was also the firstborn of EVERY creature, and God created all things in heaven and earth through him. This is what the scriptures teach.  Some men don't like what they teach, and so they try to mold the scriptures around their own beliefs.  But in the end, it is all for naught. But no, Mike, it is you who is rationalizing trying to Make the scriptures say what you think that they mean.

Marty,

There was nothing in that long post that refuted anything that I said.

And more importantly, there is no amount of rationalizing (you did quite a bit in that post) that will CHANGE the fact that the PERSON Jesus is the one who said he came down from heaven, not to do his own will, but to do the will of God.

That is really the BOTTOM LINE for you non-preexisters, Marty. You can accept that scriptural teaching, or try to rationalize it away.

The choice is yours.

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 02 2014,08:42)

Hi MB, This is why you cannot learn “Agreeing with me on anything scriptural means you're agreeing with what the scriptures ACTUALLY teach.” vanity vanity

Nick

Mike is right ;

but I know you cannot say that because you do not agree with the scriptures ,

and so what is left for you are insult and belittle others

[NickHassan]

Hi,
Give up hope all who argue with MB.
He says

“Agreeing with me on anything scriptural means you're agreeing with what the scriptures ACTUALLY teach.”

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