Firstborn of/over all creation

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 29 2014,21:18)

Hi MB, He called himself SON OF MAN but you disagree? Mary was his mother

He was also the “only begotten Son of God”.

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
Just as Isaac was?

Hebrews 11:17
By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,

[mikeboll64]

Did Isaac have an earthly father, Nick? Jesus didn't.

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
So you are attempting to make him different so you can justify your idea that another god came to earth?
The Son of man was one of us.

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
Acts 14:11
When the crowds saw what Paul had done, they raised their voice, saying in the Lycaonian language, “The gods have become like men and have come down to us.”

[942767]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 28 2014,09:57)

Quote (942767 @ May 26 2014,21:16) I know that he has become that spirit now through the Word of God which he obeyed without sin unto death on the cross. Jesus WAS the Word of God that God made everything through, Marty. That's why you see scriptures that say all things were made through “the Word”, and scriptures that say all things were made through “our Lord Jesus”, and scriptures that say all things were made through God's Son. It's because “God's Son”, “The Word”, and “Our Lord Jesus Christ” are all the same exact being. Or do you believe Jesus BECAME the Word that he used to obey?  (Rev 19:13)

Hi Mike:

The Word of God is exactly that “it is the Logos (“the sayings of God”), and according to Strong's concordance, the “Logos” embodies an idea or plan, that plan was to make man in His (God's) own image, and Jesus is the “last Adam” who is the express image of God's person(Hebrews 1), and he (Jesus) stated that “he who has seen me has seen the Father”, how so, “through the works of obedience that he did in obeying the Father, the Word of God, unto death on the cross without sin.

And so, yes, all things were made by him and for him and without him was nothing made that was made. The Word of God pertains to Jesus, from the beginning of creation because it was through him that God would fulfill His ultimate plan for man, to make him unto His own image, through His Word, and to reconcile all things through him unto Himself, both the living, unto eternal life, and dead unto judgment and everlasting destruction, punished in accordance to the works or life that he lived in the body.

He made all things for him. He is God's heir, and we are joint heirs with him.

You say:

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It's because “God's Son”, “The Word”, and “Our Lord Jesus Christ” are all the same exact being.

I already stated that the Word of God pertains to Jesus, and it through obedience to the Word of God unto death unto sin that his spirit was formed, to become the quickening spirit, the life giving spirit, through which we can also be reconciled to God and be conformed to God's image.

The scripture did not say that he is the Word. The scriptures state that in the last day God has spoken to humanity through His Son, and Revelation 19 states that “his name is called “the Word of God” not that “he is the Word”. He is God's Son and His Christ, and His representative to be a mediator between God and man, and no man can come to the Father except through him, and he is the judge of all men, and he will judge them by the Word of God(John 12)

Revelation 19:

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13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

Note what this scripture states about “his name being called…” Through his life of obedience to the Father his character manifests these traits of the Father in himself, but he is not “the everlasting Father”, is he?

Isaiah 9:

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6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Love in Christ,
Marty

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 27 2014,20:16)

Hi 94, MB thinks that Jesus was a spirit god, became a mortal man and then became a spirit again. Such natural thinking tries to justify the work of the Spirit of Christ in logical terms but it is false

I know, Nick. It doesn't make any sense according to the scriptures, does it? But he won't listen, and keeps right on insisting that he is correct.

Oh well, let us pray that things will change.

Love in Christ,
Marty

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Quote (Wakeup @ May 29 2014,18:12)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 29 2014,17:27) Hi T, Was he not born of a woman or do you oppose scripture again? The Man Jesus was born a Holy Man. A Holy man has the Spirit of God in Him. He knew things of God from a very young age. wakeup.

Hi Wakeup:

Jesus was born in innocence, just as any other child is born, and was raised by Jewish parents, Joseph and Mary, under the Law of Moses, and he did not sin under the Law. “If he was without sin”, meaning that he obeyed God's Law without sinning, does that not make him “holy”?

The scriptures show him discussing the scriptures in the Synagogues with the scribes, and the scriptures show that he was increasing in favor with God and man, but they do not say that he had the Holy Spirit until after he was baptized in water.

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Galatians 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, 5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

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Luke 3:21 Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened, 22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.

Love in Christ,
Marty

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Quote (Wakeup @ May 30 2014,02:59)

Anyone that does not believe that Jesus is Holy, the spirit is not right in Him. There are many Holy men; and yet Jesus is not Holy?? This I can not bear. wakeup.

Wakeup:

Of course, he is Holy, but that is not what you said initially is it?

You stated that “he already had the Holy Spirit dwelling within him at birth”.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[942767]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 01 2014,06:40)

Did Isaac have an earthly father, Nick?  Jesus didn't.

Mike:

Of course he had an earthly Father, Joseph, his stepfather, but we know that he was not born of the sperm of Joseph, but was conceived by the Holy Ghost, in the womb of the virgin Mary.  He is unique in that way.  And it was in God's Wisdom that he was foreordained to be born that way, because all men born of the sperm of man have sinned, and fallen short of the glory of God, and no one can boast that his salvation is based upon his own works.

But the scriptures also state that he was born of the seed of David after the flesh.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[terraricca]

Quote (942767 @ June 01 2014,05:00)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 27 2014,20:16) Hi 94, MB thinks that Jesus was a spirit god, became a mortal man and then became a spirit again. Such natural thinking tries to justify the work of the Spirit of Christ in logical terms but it is false I know, Nick.  It doesn't make any sense according to the scriptures, does it?  But he won't listen, and keeps right on insisting that he is correct. Oh well, let us pray that things will change. Love in Christ, Marty

Marty and nick

it make perfectly sense ,it make no sens to you guy's because you like to be like him but can not ,

because that is not what scriptures teaches ,but yes you will show me some scriptures that you think mean what you like to believe ,

just as you think ;that the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD WILL SHARE HIS SEAT WITH YOU AND SO GIVE UP HIS FIRST BORN RIGHTS ;YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR MINDS BOTH OF YOU AND ANYONE THAT THINK AS YOU ,

understand that none of us is part of ;

Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
Col 1:16 For through him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created through him and for him.

look what it says the two last words “FOR HIM “

NO ONE ELSE IS MENTION ;SO ARE YOUR INTENTIONS TO CHANGE THAT HOW

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
The Spirit of Christ

[NickHassan]

Hi,
God makes men Holy by sharing His Spirit with them

Jude 1:14
It was also about these men that Enoch, in the seventh generation from Adam, prophesied, saying, “Behold, the Lord came with many thousands of His holy ones,

[kerwin]

Quote (942767 @ June 01 2014,05:23)

Quote (Wakeup @ May 30 2014,02:59) Anyone that does not believe that Jesus is Holy, the spirit is not right in Him. There are many Holy men; and yet Jesus is not Holy?? This I can not bear. wakeup. Wakeup: Of course, he is Holy, but that is not what you said initially is it? You stated that “he already had the Holy Spirit dwelling within him at birth”. Love in Christ, Marty

Marty,

Luke 1:41
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

41 And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:

Since John the Baptist whom was yet in his mother's womb and of about 6 months from his conception was able to through the spirit recognize Marry was the mother of the Messiah Jesus was able to bear the fruit of the Spirit at the same time.

Jesus always bore the fruit even when from the first Satan was able to tempt him even as was common to humanity. That tells is he had to have the Spirit as councilor that whole time.

[942767]

Quote (terraricca @ June 01 2014,11:14)

Quote (942767 @ June 01 2014,05:00) Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 27 2014,20:16) Hi 94, MB thinks that Jesus was a spirit god, became a mortal man and then became a spirit again. Such natural thinking tries to justify the work of the Spirit of Christ in logical terms but it is false I know, Nick.  It doesn't make any sense according to the scriptures, does it?  But he won't listen, and keeps right on insisting that he is correct. Oh well, let us pray that things will change. Love in Christ, Marty Marty and nick it make perfectly sense ,it make no sens to you guy's because you like to be like him but can not , because that is not what scriptures teaches ,but yes you will show me some scriptures that you think mean what you like to believe , just as you think ;that the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD WILL SHARE HIS SEAT WITH YOU AND SO GIVE UP HIS FIRST BORN RIGHTS ;YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR MINDS BOTH OF YOU AND ANYONE THAT THINK AS YOU , understand that none of us is part of ; Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. Col 1:16 For through him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created through him and for him. look what it says the two last words “FOR HIM “ NO ONE ELSE IS MENTION ;SO ARE YOUR INTENTIONS TO CHANGE THAT HOW

Ok, Pierre:

If you will listen, I will teach you, so that you will quit making foolish statements.

Do you understand that the church is the bride of Christ?

What husband does not share what his wife all that he has?

This is what the scriptures state:

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Romans 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

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Galatians 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

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Revelation 21 King James Version (KJV) 21 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. 4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. 5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. 6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. 7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. 8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[Wakeup]

Quote (942767 @ June 01 2014,10:23)

Quote (Wakeup @ May 30 2014,02:59) Anyone that does not believe that Jesus is Holy, the spirit is not right in Him. There are many Holy men; and yet Jesus is not Holy?? This I can not bear. wakeup. Wakeup: Of course, he is Holy, but that is not what you said initially is it? You stated that “he already had the Holy Spirit dwelling within him at birth”. Love in Christ, Marty

Is that true or false?

wakeup.

[942767]

Quote (kerwin @ June 01 2014,14:08)

Quote (942767 @ June 01 2014,05:23) Quote (Wakeup @ May 30 2014,02:59) Anyone that does not believe that Jesus is Holy, the spirit is not right in Him. There are many Holy men; and yet Jesus is not Holy?? This I can not bear. wakeup. Wakeup: Of course, he is Holy, but that is not what you said initially is it? You stated that “he already had the Holy Spirit dwelling within him at birth”. Love in Christ, Marty Marty, Luke 1:41 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV) 41 And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost: Since John the Baptist whom was yet in his mother's womb and of about 6 months from his conception was able to through the spirit recognize Marry was the mother of the Messiah Jesus was able to bear the fruit of the Spirit at the same time. Jesus always bore the fruit even when from the first Satan was able to tempt him even as was common to humanity.  That tells is he had to have the Spirit as councilor  that whole time.

Hi Kerwin:

The scriptures state that about John the Baptist, but it does not say that about Jesus.

I gave you scripture that states that he was born of a woman made under the Law.

This is what the scriptures state:

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Matthew 3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Matt. 4:1 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.

And so, when Jesus was being tempted of the devil, he had aleady been baptized and had received the Holy Spirit.

He did not have it until then. If he already had it from birth, why did he have to receive it again?

Love in Christ,
Marty

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Quote (Wakeup @ June 01 2014,14:25)

Quote (942767 @ June 01 2014,10:23) Quote (Wakeup @ May 30 2014,02:59) Anyone that does not believe that Jesus is Holy, the spirit is not right in Him. There are many Holy men; and yet Jesus is not Holy?? This I can not bear. wakeup. Wakeup: Of course, he is Holy, but that is not what you said initially is it? You stated that “he already had the Holy Spirit dwelling within him at birth”. Love in Christ, Marty Is that true or false? wakeup.

Hi Wakeup:

What you said initially, that Jesus had the Holy Spirit from birth is false according to the scriptures.

That he was Holy at birth is true. He was born in innocence under the Law of Moses. He had no sin.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[Wakeup]

Quote (942767 @ June 01 2014,14:36)

Quote (Wakeup @ June 01 2014,14:25) Quote (942767 @ June 01 2014,10:23) Quote (Wakeup @ May 30 2014,02:59) Anyone that does not believe that Jesus is Holy, the spirit is not right in Him. There are many Holy men; and yet Jesus is not Holy?? This I can not bear. wakeup. Wakeup: Of course, he is Holy, but that is not what you said initially is it? You stated that “he already had the Holy Spirit dwelling within him at birth”. Love in Christ, Marty Is that true or false? wakeup. Hi Wakeup: What you said initially, that Jesus had the Holy Spirit from birth is false according to the scriptures. That he was Holy at birth is true.  He was born in innocence under the Law of Moses.  He had no sin. Love in Christ, Marty

Elizabeth's baby leaped when Mary greeted her.
So you truly believe that Jesus was with no Holy Spirit,
for thirty years? true or false?

wakeup.

[kerwin]

Quote (942767 @ June 01 2014,09:28)

Quote (kerwin @ June 01 2014,14:08) Quote (942767 @ June 01 2014,05:23) Quote (Wakeup @ May 30 2014,02:59) Anyone that does not believe that Jesus is Holy, the spirit is not right in Him. There are many Holy men; and yet Jesus is not Holy?? This I can not bear. wakeup. Wakeup: Of course, he is Holy, but that is not what you said initially is it? You stated that “he already had the Holy Spirit dwelling within him at birth”. Love in Christ, Marty Marty, Luke 1:41 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV) 41 And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost: Since John the Baptist whom was yet in his mother's womb and of about 6 months from his conception was able to through the spirit recognize Marry was the mother of the Messiah Jesus was able to bear the fruit of the Spirit at the same time. Jesus always bore the fruit even when from the first Satan was able to tempt him even as was common to humanity.  That tells is he had to have the Spirit as councilor  that whole time. Hi Kerwin: The scriptures state that about John the Baptist, but it does not say that about Jesus. I gave you scripture that states that he was born of a woman made under the Law. This is what the scriptures state: Quote Matthew 3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Matt. 4:1 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. And so, when Jesus was being tempted of the devil, he had aleady been baptized and had received the Holy Spirit.   He did not have it until then.  If he already had it from birth, why did he have to receive it again? Love in Christ, Marty

Marty,

Scripture does say

Hebrews 4:15
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

We are tempted very early in our lives and Jesus could not have gone without being tempted thirty some and still be said to have been been tempted like us.

I know you cannot truly bear only the fruit of the Spirit unless you are have the Spirit to teach you how.

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