Firstborn of/over all creation

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  • #384919
    mikeboll64
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    Quote (Ed J @ May 27 2014,20:00)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 28 2014,10:05)

    Quote (Ed J @ May 27 2014,15:46)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 27 2014,12:22)
    Well Ed,

    WHO created you?


    Hi Mike,

    God created my spirit, my flesh cam from my parents.


    Are you sure Ed?

    Send your dad out to the tool shed, and see how long it takes him to “create flesh”.

    God ALONE created the heavens, the earth, the sea, and EVERYTHING IN THEM.

    Malachi 2:10
    Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us?

    God didn't just create your spirit, Ed.  God ALONE is the ONLY one who actually created you.  Were it not for God, you would not exist.

    But God chose to do that THROUGH your parents.  God making that choice does not equate your parents with your Creator.

    He who creates is one, and anyone He decides to create THROUGH is another.


    Hi Mike,

    God gave humans the power to pro-create after their kind.
    And the spirit, which God gave me, came from God.  


    Okay Ed.

    I'm glad you're back and posting a little bit. But I won't get bogged down in any of your, “The grass is blue and the sky is green” games this time.

    If YOU want to believe that God didn't create the entirety of Ed J, but only PARTS of Ed J, then that is your choice.

    As for me, I am a creation of God Himself – every last bit of me.

    #384920
    mikeboll64
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    Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 27 2014,20:02)
    Hi MB,
    When natural men do not use the word CHRIST when speaking of Jesus you wonder if they realise it could mean the ordinary man or the empowered ANOINTED man


    Nick,

    “Jesus Christ” just means “Jesus, the anointed one”. And he was anointed (set apart as holy) long before he came into this world, and long before the Jordan.

    Don't you have 5 questions waiting for you? Better get to answering them, don't you think?

    #384922
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi MB,
    You say
    “And he was anointed (set apart as holy)”

    That is not the meaning of anointed.

    Acts 13
    13 Now there were at Antioch, in the church that was there, prophets and teachers: Barnabas, and Simeon who was called Niger, and Lucius of Cyrene, and Manaen who had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch, and Saul. 2 While they were ministering to the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, “Set apart for Me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.” 3 Then, when they had fasted and prayed and laid their hands on them, they sent them away.”

    They were SET APART
    Then hands were laid on them in ANOINTING

    #384923
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 28 2014,12:54)
    Hi GB,
    John explained it in 1 Jn1
    He saw the WORD and touched the WORD.
    Jesus had BECOME the WORD by the anointing at the Jordan


    Hi MB,
    I have answered here.
    The Word was made flesh in Jesus at the Jordan.

    #384930
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 28 2014,14:08)

    Quote (Ed J @ May 27 2014,19:56)
    Hi Mike,

    Then you agree that adding the word 'OTHER' to the verse you quoted is spurious correct?


    Not at all, Ed.

    When it says God created EVERYTHING in heaven, does it mean God created HIMSELF as well?  Or did He create all the OTHER things in heaven…….. BESIDES Himself?

    Same thing here.  We know that God didn't create Jesus THROUGH Jesus, so it is implied that God created all OTHER things (BESIDES Jesus himself) through Jesus.

    Paul makes the point in 1 Cor 15:27, Ed.  He says God placed EVERYTHING under Jesus, but then adds a note for people who might not be that smart, and says, Now when it says EVERYTHING, it is OBVIOUS it doesn't mean God placed HIMSELF under Jesus as well.

    In other words, God placed all OTHER things under Jesus.


    Hi Mike,

    The Bible says God created *ALONE* – that means with NO-ONE ELSE,     no buts.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #384931
    Ed J
    Participant

    God created all things by himself, wink wink, he really didn't

    #384932
    Ed J
    Participant

    God said there are no other gods, wink wink, there really are

    #384933
    Ed J
    Participant

    Mike, your doctrine has more holes than swiss-cheeze

    #384937
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 28 2014,14:18)

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 27 2014,20:02)
    Hi MB,
    When natural men do not use the word CHRIST when speaking of Jesus you wonder if they realise it could mean the ordinary man or the empowered ANOINTED man


    Nick,

    “Jesus Christ” just means “Jesus, the anointed one”.  And he was anointed (set apart as holy) long before he came into this world, and long before the Jordan.

    Don't you have 5 questions waiting for you?  Better get to answering them, don't you think?


    MikeB.

    1.Do you believe that God needs some other person
    to do the creating?

    2. You say God created a spokes man. Why is it that God
    did not create all things as he created the spokesman?
    Why *NEED* a spokesman; When God could create the
    spokesman Himself?

    3. How did the spokesman create everything?
    How did He do it?

    Please amswer.

    wakeup.

    #385058
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ May 28 2014,10:27)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 28 2014,14:18)

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 27 2014,20:02)
    Hi MB,
    When natural men do not use the word CHRIST when speaking of Jesus you wonder if they realise it could mean the ordinary man or the empowered ANOINTED man


    Nick,

    “Jesus Christ” just means “Jesus, the anointed one”.  And he was anointed (set apart as holy) long before he came into this world, and long before the Jordan.

    Don't you have 5 questions waiting for you?  Better get to answering them, don't you think?


    MikeB.

    1.Do you believe that God needs some other person
      to do the creating?

    2. You say God created a spokes man. Why is it that God
       did not create all things as he created the spokesman?
       Why *NEED* a spokesman; When God could create the
       spokesman Himself?

    3. How did the spokesman create everything?
       How did He do it?

    Please amswer.

    wakeup.


    WUP

    THIS ACTION OF GOD TO USE HIS FIRST BORN OR CREATION IS SIMILAR TO GOD USING ADAM TO CREATED EVE ; READ VERY CAREFULLY ;PROVERB 8 ;22-31 AND PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT IT SAYS AND MEANS AND WHO IS WHO AND DOING WHAT ; READ IT OVER AND OVER UNTIL YOU HAVE IT FULLY UNDERSTOOD IT ;

    AND YOU WILL SEE THAT GOD'S WISDOM BY USING HIS SON TO CREATE ALL THING WAS THE MOST WONDERFUL THING ,BECAUSE OF IT WE NOW ARE SAVED ,

    ADAM COULD HAVE SAVE US IF HE WOULD HAVE NOT SIN , BUT HE JOINED HIS WIFE THE ONE THAT CAME OUT OF HIM ;

    THE SON OF GOD DID NOT DO THAT EVEN THOUGH SATAN ONE OF THE SONS OF GOD THAT WAS CREATED THROUGH HIM DID SIN ,THE SON OF GOD STAID CLEAN ,AND SO WAS REDEMPTION POSSIBLE FOR ALL CREATION BECAUSE ALL OF CREATION CAME TO EXISTENCE THROUGH HIM AND FOR HIM ,

    PAUL UNDERSTOOD THOSE SCRIPTURES VERY WELL.

    #385073
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ May 28 2014,23:36)

    Quote (Wakeup @ May 28 2014,10:27)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 28 2014,14:18)

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 27 2014,20:02)
    Hi MB,
    When natural men do not use the word CHRIST when speaking of Jesus you wonder if they realise it could mean the ordinary man or the empowered ANOINTED man


    Nick,

    “Jesus Christ” just means “Jesus, the anointed one”.  And he was anointed (set apart as holy) long before he came into this world, and long before the Jordan.

    Don't you have 5 questions waiting for you?  Better get to answering them, don't you think?


    MikeB.

    1.Do you believe that God needs some other person
      to do the creating?

    2. You say God created a spokes man. Why is it that God
       did not create all things as he created the spokesman?
       Why *NEED* a spokesman; When God could create the
       spokesman Himself?

    3. How did the spokesman create everything?
       How did He do it?

    Please amswer.

    wakeup.


    WUP

    THIS ACTION OF GOD TO USE HIS FIRST BORN OR CREATION IS SIMILAR TO GOD USING ADAM TO CREATED EVE ; READ VERY CAREFULLY ;PROVERB 8 ;22-31 AND PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT IT SAYS AND MEANS AND WHO IS WHO AND DOING WHAT ; READ IT OVER AND OVER UNTIL YOU HAVE IT FULLY UNDERSTOOD IT ;

    AND YOU WILL SEE THAT GOD'S WISDOM BY USING HIS SON TO CREATE ALL THING WAS THE MOST WONDERFUL THING ,BECAUSE OF IT WE NOW ARE SAVED ,

    ADAM COULD HAVE SAVE US IF HE WOULD HAVE NOT SIN ,  BUT HE JOINED HIS WIFE THE ONE THAT CAME OUT OF HIM ;

    THE SON OF GOD DID NOT DO THAT EVEN THOUGH SATAN ONE OF THE SONS OF GOD THAT WAS CREATED THROUGH HIM DID SIN ,THE SON OF GOD STAID CLEAN ,AND SO WAS REDEMPTION POSSIBLE FOR ALL CREATION BECAUSE ALL OF CREATION CAME TO EXISTENCE THROUGH HIM AND FOR HIM ,

    PAUL UNDERSTOOD THOSE SCRIPTURES VERY WELL.


    That is not the answer to my question.

    1. If God created the spokesman by Himself;
    Why did he not create all things by Himself?

    2. How did the spokesman create all things?

    wakeup.

    #385079
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ May 28 2014,21:03)

    Quote (terraricca @ May 28 2014,23:36)

    Quote (Wakeup @ May 28 2014,10:27)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 28 2014,14:18)

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 27 2014,20:02)
    Hi MB,
    When natural men do not use the word CHRIST when speaking of Jesus you wonder if they realise it could mean the ordinary man or the empowered ANOINTED man


    Nick,

    “Jesus Christ” just means “Jesus, the anointed one”.  And he was anointed (set apart as holy) long before he came into this world, and long before the Jordan.

    Don't you have 5 questions waiting for you?  Better get to answering them, don't you think?


    MikeB.

    1.Do you believe that God needs some other person
      to do the creating?

    2. You say God created a spokes man. Why is it that God
       did not create all things as he created the spokesman?
       Why *NEED* a spokesman; When God could create the
       spokesman Himself?

    3. How did the spokesman create everything?
       How did He do it?

    Please amswer.

    wakeup.


    WUP

    THIS ACTION OF GOD TO USE HIS FIRST BORN OR CREATION IS SIMILAR TO GOD USING ADAM TO CREATED EVE ; READ VERY CAREFULLY ;PROVERB 8 ;22-31 AND PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT IT SAYS AND MEANS AND WHO IS WHO AND DOING WHAT ; READ IT OVER AND OVER UNTIL YOU HAVE IT FULLY UNDERSTOOD IT ;

    AND YOU WILL SEE THAT GOD'S WISDOM BY USING HIS SON TO CREATE ALL THING WAS THE MOST WONDERFUL THING ,BECAUSE OF IT WE NOW ARE SAVED ,

    ADAM COULD HAVE SAVE US IF HE WOULD HAVE NOT SIN ,  BUT HE JOINED HIS WIFE THE ONE THAT CAME OUT OF HIM ;

    THE SON OF GOD DID NOT DO THAT EVEN THOUGH SATAN ONE OF THE SONS OF GOD THAT WAS CREATED THROUGH HIM DID SIN ,THE SON OF GOD STAID CLEAN ,AND SO WAS REDEMPTION POSSIBLE FOR ALL CREATION BECAUSE ALL OF CREATION CAME TO EXISTENCE THROUGH HIM AND FOR HIM ,

    PAUL UNDERSTOOD THOSE SCRIPTURES VERY WELL.


    That is not the answer to my question.

    1. If God created the spokesman by Himself;
       Why did he not create all things by Himself?

    2. How did the spokesman create all things?

    wakeup.


    wup

    read care fully what i have written ,I have answered your question but it seems you do not like God's way of operation

    #385127
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi T,
    “AND YOU WILL SEE THAT GOD'S WISDOM BY USING HIS SON TO CREATE ALL THING WAS THE MOST WONDERFUL THING ,BECAUSE OF IT WE NOW ARE SAVED ,

    ADAM COULD HAVE SAVE US IF HE WOULD HAVE NOT SIN , BUT HE JOINED HIS WIFE THE ONE THAT CAME OUT OF HIM ;

    THE SON OF GOD DID NOT DO THAT EVEN THOUGH SATAN ONE OF THE SONS OF GOD THAT WAS CREATED THROUGH HIM DID SIN ,THE SON OF GOD STAID CLEAN ,AND SO WAS REDEMPTION POSSIBLE FOR ALL CREATION BECAUSE ALL OF CREATION CAME TO EXISTENCE THROUGH HIM AND FOR HIM ,””

    What does this mean?

    #385135
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 29 2014,03:26)
    Hi T,
    “AND YOU WILL SEE THAT GOD'S WISDOM BY USING HIS SON TO CREATE ALL THING WAS THE MOST WONDERFUL THING ,BECAUSE OF IT WE NOW ARE SAVED ,

    ADAM COULD HAVE SAVE US IF HE WOULD HAVE NOT SIN ,  BUT HE JOINED HIS WIFE THE ONE THAT CAME OUT OF HIM ;

    THE SON OF GOD DID NOT DO THAT EVEN THOUGH SATAN ONE OF THE SONS OF GOD THAT WAS CREATED THROUGH HIM DID SIN ,THE SON OF GOD STAID CLEAN ,AND SO WAS REDEMPTION POSSIBLE FOR ALL CREATION BECAUSE ALL OF CREATION CAME TO EXISTENCE THROUGH HIM AND FOR HIM ,””

    What does this mean?


    NICK

    can you not read what i said ???

    #385138
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi T,
    Yes but it only makes sense to you

    #385140
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 29 2014,03:37)
    Hi T,
    Yes but it only makes sense to you


    Nick

    you do know the scriptures do you ???

    #385147
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi T,
    I know a few.

    #385179
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 29 2014,03:52)
    Hi T,
    I know a few.


    nICK

    GOOD THEN YOU CAN OR SHOULD UNDERSTAND WHAT I AM SAYING

    #385180
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t,
    So how does the creation being done through the Spirit enable salvation??

    #385181
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 27 2014,20:02)
    Hi MB,
    When natural men do not use the word CHRIST when speaking of Jesus you wonder if they realise it could mean the ordinary man or the empowered ANOINTED man


    He is many times called JUST “Jesus” by the writers of scripture – even after the Jordan, Nick. When he is called just “Jesus”, are you confused? Or do you still recognize that they are talking about the Jesus who was anointed (set apart as holy by God and sent into this world)?

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