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Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 27 2014,12:22) Well Ed, Let's start slowly, since you don't know what Tertullian meant.
WHO created you?
Hi Mike,God created my spirit, my flesh cam from my parents.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ May 26 2014,09:37) Quote (Ed J @ May 25 2014,16:08) “In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
Who is the image of the invisible God, the “FIRSTBORN” of every creature:”(Col 1:14-15)Hi Everyone,
This verse has caused much confusion, some even believing that the word
“firstborn” is a coded message to us to mean: 'THE FIRST BEING TO BE CREATED'.– but –
If we were to do 2 things, the trail ends up in the same place.
1. Follow the context
2. Look up the definitionAnd in both cases the meaning is the same
“that in all things he might have the preeminence“ (Col.1:18)
Preeminence means he is the most important, does anyone disagree?END OF STORY
Ed,The CONTEXT is that Jesus was the firstborn of every creature……….BECAUSE……. through him, all the [other] things in heaven and on earth were created.
Don't forget the Greek “because” or “since” that Paul uses to start verse 16. The two verses are really one long statement.
Also, if anyone has “preeminence” in all things, it would be God…….. not His holy servant Jesus the Anointed.
Mike, there is no record of Jesus creating anything.Quote (942767 @ May 26 2014,21:16) I know that he has become that spirit now through the Word of God which he obeyed without sin unto death on the cross.
Jesus WAS the Word of God that God made everything through, Marty.That's why you see scriptures that say all things were made through “the Word”, and scriptures that say all things were made through “our Lord Jesus”, and scriptures that say all things were made through God's Son.
It's because “God's Son”, “The Word”, and “Our Lord Jesus Christ” are all the same exact being.
Or do you believe Jesus BECAME the Word that he used to obey? (Rev 19:13)
Hi MB,
The problem for you is that God only proclaimed publicly that Jesus was His Son at the Jordan.
Sonship is by sharing the Holy Spirit.The sons of God are led by the Spirit of God
Hi MB,
That was where he was anointed as the Christ.
Of course the Spirit of Christ preceded the conception and birth of Jesus.Quote (Ed J @ May 27 2014,15:46) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 27 2014,12:22) Well Ed, WHO created you?
Hi Mike,God created my spirit, my flesh cam from my parents.
Are you sure Ed?Send your dad out to the tool shed, and see how long it takes him to “create flesh”.
God ALONE created the heavens, the earth, the sea, and EVERYTHING IN THEM.
Malachi 2:10
Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us?God didn't just create your spirit, Ed. God ALONE is the ONLY one who actually created you. Were it not for God, you would not exist.
But God chose to do that THROUGH your parents. God making that choice does not equate your parents with your Creator.
He who creates is one, and anyone He decides to create THROUGH is another.
Hi MB,
When Jesus Christ said“Before Abraham I am”
it should be plain that this was the Spirit speaking.
His neighbours knew him as the carpenter son conceived of Mary.Hi MB,
God created Adam and Eve and instructed them to multiply.
Of course the spirits of their descendants come from the Father of spiritsQuote (Ed J @ May 27 2014,15:49) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 26 2014,09:37)
Ed,The CONTEXT is that Jesus was the firstborn of every creature……….BECAUSE……. through him, all the [other] things in heaven and on earth were created.
Mike, there is no record of Jesus creating anything.
Agreed. Well, scripture says he did “create” a whip out of cords he tied together. (John 2:15)
But I have never said Jesus created anything, Ed. I said that God ALONE created all things THROUGH Jesus. I say that, because that is what the scriptures say.
Hi MB,
You say
“I said that God ALONE created all things THROUGH Jesus. I say that, because that is what the scriptures say. “Through Jesus or JESUS CHRIST?
Nick,
John 6:38
For I have come down from heaven, not to do my will, but to do the will of him who sent me.1. Nick, does this “spirit” you talk about have HIS OWN WILL, like a person?
John 6:51
I am the living bread that came down from heaven. Whoever eats this bread will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.2. Nick, does this “spirit” you talk about have FLESH?
John 6:62
Then what if you see the Son of Man ascend to where he was before!3. Nick, Can this “spirit” you talk about be SEEN by human eyes?
4. Nick, is this “spirit” you talk about called “the Son of Man”?
5. Nick, who did the God-inspired writer of John 6 attribute all those words to? What is the NAME of the person who said all of those words I quoted?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 27 2014,17:12) Hi MB,
You say
“I said that God ALONE created all things THROUGH Jesus. I say that, because that is what the scriptures say. “Through Jesus or JESUS CHRIST?
Why Nick? Do you intend to prove that this “Spirit of Anointing” thing you invented was named “Jesus”? Or perhaps you intend to prove that your “Spirit of Anointing” was the Son of God?Because in John 1:3, he is called “The Word” – like he is called in Revelation 19:13.
And in Colossians 1:15-16, he is called “the Son”.
And in Hebrews 1:2, he is called “His Son”.
And in 1 Corinthians 8:6, he is called “our Lord, Jesus Christ”.
But each of these verses speaks about God creating all things through him. And YOUR idea is that those scriptures are really talking about God creating all things through this imagined “Spirit of Anointing”. But that would only work IF your “Spirit of Anointing” thing was “our Lord”, “the Son”, “His Son”, and “The Word”.
Is your imaginary “Spirit of Anointing” all of those things, Nick?
The simple answer is: “Jesus Christ” simply means “Jesus, the Anointed One”. And yes, God did indeed create the heavens, the earth, and everything in them, through “Jesus, the Anointed One”.
Sometimes he is called “Jesus”. And other times “Jesus of Nazareth”. And still other times, “Jesus, the Anointed One”. But all of those titles speak about the same one being.
Matthew 1:16
New International Version
and Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, and Mary was the mother of Jesus, who is called the Messiah.◦King James Version
And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.It is the same exact “Jesus”, whether or not the additional “Anointed One” title is added to the end of his name, Nick.
Hi MB,
Where is the word PERSON in the bible?
i think it is only in trinitarian theologyIf Christ means anointing then there is a Spirit of anointing.
When Jesus was baptised in the Spirit he became the Christ.
Jesus was conceived 30 years before thatQuote (Nick Hassan @ May 27 2014,18:33) If Christ means anointing then there is a Spirit of anointing.
But I keep telling you that “christ” doesn't mean “anointing”, Nick.It means “anointed (one)”.
Btw, when will you answer my John 6 questions? I don't suppose you ever will, since they undeniably shoot down the things you were claiming, and prove that JESUS is the one who came down from heaven……… just like John 6 CLEARLY teaches us.
Hi GB,
John explained it in 1 Jn1
He saw the WORD and touched the WORD.
Jesus had BECOME the WORD by the anointing at the JordanQuote (mikeboll64 @ May 28 2014,10:09) Quote (Ed J @ May 27 2014,15:49) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 26 2014,09:37)
Ed,The CONTEXT is that Jesus was the firstborn of every creature……….BECAUSE……. through him, all the [other] things in heaven and on earth were created.
Mike, there is no record of Jesus creating anything.
Agreed. Well, scripture says he did “create” a whip out of cords he tied together. (John 2:15)But I have never said Jesus created anything, Ed. I said that God ALONE created all things THROUGH Jesus. I say that, because that is what the scriptures say.
Hi Mike,Then you agree that adding the word 'OTHER' to the verse you quoted is spurious correct?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ May 28 2014,10:05) Quote (Ed J @ May 27 2014,15:46) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 27 2014,12:22) Well Ed, WHO created you?
Hi Mike,God created my spirit, my flesh cam from my parents.
Are you sure Ed?Send your dad out to the tool shed, and see how long it takes him to “create flesh”.
God ALONE created the heavens, the earth, the sea, and EVERYTHING IN THEM.
Malachi 2:10
Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us?God didn't just create your spirit, Ed. God ALONE is the ONLY one who actually created you. Were it not for God, you would not exist.
But God chose to do that THROUGH your parents. God making that choice does not equate your parents with your Creator.
He who creates is one, and anyone He decides to create THROUGH is another.
Hi Mike,God gave humans the power to pro-create after their kind.
And the spirit, which God gave me, came from God.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi MB,
When natural men do not use the word CHRIST when speaking of Jesus you wonder if they realise it could mean the ordinary man or the empowered ANOINTED manQuote (Ed J @ May 27 2014,19:56) Hi Mike, Then you agree that adding the word 'OTHER' to the verse you quoted is spurious correct?
Not at all, Ed.When it says God created EVERYTHING in heaven, does it mean God created HIMSELF as well? Or did He create all the OTHER things in heaven…….. BESIDES Himself?
Same thing here. We know that God didn't create Jesus THROUGH Jesus, so it is implied that God created all OTHER things (BESIDES Jesus himself) through Jesus.
Paul makes the point in 1 Cor 15:27, Ed. He says God placed EVERYTHING under Jesus, but then adds a note for people who might not be that smart, and says, Now when it says EVERYTHING, it is OBVIOUS it doesn't mean God placed HIMSELF under Jesus as well.
In other words, God placed all OTHER things under Jesus.
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