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Hi Nick,
You wrote:
If the Spirit lives in your soul and your body dies you are still alive in the eyes of God
Me: If the holy spirit lives in your spirit mind (your mind of the flesh is the image of your spirit mind) and your body and fleshly mind dies, you are alive spiritually with God in heaven (Rev 6:9, 2 Cor 5:8). Souls (5590) in Rev 6:9 has to be the whole person and not spirit, for their is only one spirit for the righteous dead, the holy spirit.
Hi Nick,
You wrote:
Sorry. But you are moving away from simplicity to form your own strange teachings.
Me: What I wrote is simple enough and straightforward. I quoted many verses and presented a coherent case. You, on the other hand have come on with your one liners that have no substance. It is strange to you because you do not comprehend scripture.
Hi Nick:
You: When you understand life in the Spirit of eternal life begins now you should understand what Jesus means.
‘God is the God of the living. Abraham’ ‘Isaac and Jacob are alive to God.’Me: Another case of you not comprehending what you read.
Matt 22:31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying,
32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.Me: This is clearly speaking of the future resurrection of the dead when Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob will live (John 5:25). In God’s eyes, it is reality already (Rom 4:17).
Hi Nick and truthcomber
These are scriptures that some use for the immortal soul. which I don’t believe.
Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
Rev 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
Rev 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellow servants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilledIt’s pretty obvious it speak about the ones that was ( slain for the Word.) If we look at the fist one that was slain (Able) His brother kiilled Him Cain) it say that Able’s blood cryed out from the ground. You now the story. And scriptures speaks about that life is in the blood.
Edj…I know the kingdom of God is within a person, “for the kingdom of God comes without observation, it is within you”, Jesus said, i am not a novice. Jesus said the kingdom of God has come near you, not that it had already come, i was talking about the literal kingdom that JESUS and the saints will bring to this world at the return of Jesus.
I WAS REFERING TO THE VISION, Jesus showed to Peter, James, and John on the mount of tranfiguration.
Nick was using that to shore up his teaching that people are alive after they die, which i disagree with. For several reasons as i have already mentioned several times in this thread. I try to show that it is crucial that we are actually resurested from the dead as Jesus was, to be with and rule with him in the future kingdom to come on this whole earth.
But please don’t get me wrong i do respect Nick, he does bring out some very good points, i just see this death thing different then he does.
Peace and love to you and yours. ….gene
Hi Gene,
Jesus returned in Spirit form on Pentecost
(with his Father’s Spirit: Holy Spirit),
54 days from his Crucifixion…“Thine eyes (Ed J) shall see the king in his beauty:
they (Gene and others) shall behold the land that
is very far off (in the future).” (Isaiah 33:17)____________
God bless
Ed JHi Anthony,
Is your source the ASK site?
Hi Nick,
If you remember correctly the owner of the “Got Questions”
website use to post and discuss biblical matters here with us.
I can’t remember her user name though, T8 may still remember.____________
God bless
Ed JHi TC,
But you have got offered no scriptural support for your ideas that Ecc 12 refers to the Holy Spirit
and that the Holy Spirit is removed from the anointed ones at death.
Surely you would not go beyond divine revelation.2jn9?
What is your foundation if not scripture?
Hi TC,
David pleaded with God that He not take His Spirit from him.
But you think our God does that to all the anointed ones at death?
Or could it be you do not understand the unity that is promised in Jn 17?
‘What God has joined together let no man put asunder’
Hi TC,
God does not take back His Spirit from those who walk in it.
Those in the bosom of Abraham, and those in Christ sleep.
Hi Ed,
Not convinced that Is 33 was written personally to you.
But you claim you are also mentioned in scripture as well?
Hi Anthony,
So you have identified Lazarus and the rich man as real men in the Lk 16 parable.
It would take a brave man to say the rest of the parable is FICTION.
Hi Nick
Why the martyrs are described as being “under the altar” Obviously, if this assumption is true, the altar of incense in heaven must be extremely large in or noder for thousands of martyrs to be there. That would be a literal interpretation, and makes about as much sense as all the dead saints literally going to Abraham’s bosom (Luke 16:22), but Revelation is a book full of symbols. Nick wouldn’t you that this would be symbolic?
Hi Nick . Lazarus of the parable was Eleazar, Abraham’s steward (Genesis 15:2).He was a Gentile “of Damascus” (“a proselyte of the gate”) who “ate the crumbs.”He was disinherited (to become a beggar) but he remained faithful to Abraham and God.When this earthly life was over, he received Abraham’s ininheritanc after all (he was in in Abraham’s bosom) — “everlasting habitations.”The Rich Man of the Parable was Judah. This son of Jacob had five literal brothers as did the Rich Man.He was also a literal son of Abraham, while Eleazar (Lazarus) was not!The Rich Man (Judah) also had the kingship (purple) and the priesthood (linen)Yet Judah (representing God on this earth) was not the true steward of the Abrahamic blessings.Though he and his literal brothers had been graced with the “oracles of God” (the Old Testament) they would not respond to the One resurrected from the dead (Christ).The “great gulf” was the Jordan rift valley the dividing line between Gentile lands and the Holy Land of promise (Abraham’s inheritance). Crossing the Jordan was a typical figure recognized by the Jews as a symbol of salvation.
So Nick what we’re seeing here is the Jewish Nation and all the nations of the Gentiles. By Ernest Martin. A.S.K.
Anthony…i know Earnesr Martian he was with the WWCG, WHICH I WAS A ACTIVE MEMBER, YEARS AGO. HE WAS INDEED A VERY GOOD TEACHER, HE FOLLOWED HERBERT W. ARMSTRONG, AND EVENTUALLY LEFT THAT ORGANAZATION AND SO DID I. THAT IS WHY I TOLD YOU I HAD HEARD THAT TEACHING BEFORE. I DON’T KNOW IF HE IS STILL AROUND BUT HE WAS INDEED A SCHOLAR, HE ATTENDED AMBASSADOR COLLEGE.
Peace and love to you and yours. ….gene
Nick…why do you even think the lord even raises our bodies up and puts the breath of life back into it if the soul doesent die upon death. Seems to me a resurection of a body with the breath of life back into it would be a waste if time according to your teachings, right?
Peace and love to you and yours. …..gene
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