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Hi TC,
Circumcision was essential to those who were called to follow the Law.
Water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ is equally essential.
As Colossians shows baptism is the new circumcision.
It is a popular teaching that death means separation.
- Physical death is the separation of body and soul;
- Second death is the separation of soul and God or Spirit;
- Dead to sin is the separation of the Believer with sin;
- Dead to Law is the separation of Believer and the law;
It seems that to be away from the body is to be present with the Lord and for those that do not belong to God are not annihilated at this point. But some teach that the first death is a temporary annihilation followed by life, so that the sinner can be alive to suffer in eternal flames.
Hi Nick,
You wrote:
The anointed men in the OT are alive to God and Moses and Elijah were wakened to speak with Jesus on the mountain.
Jesus Christ brought life and truth potentially to all who follow him into his death and resurrection.
That way is of water and the Spirit but folks still argue outside the gates of salvationMe: Not true
Matt 17:9 And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead.
Hi Nick,
You wrote:
Are visions just imaginary?
Can you visions with conversations happening that never occurred?Me: vision by definition are revelations of the future.
https://biblehub.com/greek/3705.htm
You: statement 1 The anointed men in the OT are alive to God and Moses and Elijah were wakened to speak with Jesus on the mountain.
You: statement 2 Are visions just imaginary?
Me: You have changed from statement 1 to statement 2 when you realized that statement one was incorrect. Nick, both your statements are incorrect. A vision is a phenomena that one can see the future. Now we are addressing the vision of the son of God that God gave him. God’s words were in Christ.
John 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
Hi Nick,
You wrote:
The baptism of the Spirit is not of cleansing but of sanctification.
Where were men who responded to the Word NOT baptised in water in Acts?
We need the three witnesses to our faith shown in 1jn 5.You wrote: afterwards:
I have no interest in the added verses in 1jn5.7 and Matt 28.19.
We enter the kingdom by rebirth of water and the Spirit.Me: you are not being honest. When you found out 1 John 5.7 was a verse supported by trinitarians, you made it sound like you never wrote the first statement.
Hi Nick:
first Post again
You wrote:
The baptism of the Spirit is not of cleansing but of sanctification.
Where were men who responded to the Word NOT baptised in water in Acts?
We need the three witnesses to our faith shown in 1jn 5.Me: Where else in 1 John 5 does it talk about three witnesses but vs 7?
Again being dishonest
Hi TC,
Dishonesty?
You misunderstand and rashly accuse.
Forget the Kjv addition.
1 Jn 5.5
Who is the one who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?
This is the one who came by water and blood, Jesus Christ, not with the water only, but with the
water and the blood. It is the Spirit that testifies, because the Spirit is the truth.
For there are three that testify, the Spirit and the water and the blood, and the three are in agreement.
If we receive the testimony of men, the testimony of God is greater;
for the testimony of God is this, that He has testified concerning His Son.
The one who believes in the son of God has the testimony within himself;
the one who does not believe God has made Him a liar,
because he does not believe in the testimony that God has given concerning His Son.
And the testimony is this, that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son.
He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the son of God does not have the life.
For us faith in God leads to faith in the Son and obedience to him results in us receiving the Spirit.
The Spirit teaches us that we have followed the right path
The water, the blood and the Spirit.
Hi Nick
You spoke on page 206 as if
Lazarus and the Rich man is literal, . Which it’s not. To me it doesn’t speak about a hell literally. What I think it’s saying.
Hi Nick
- The Lazarus of the parable was Eleazar, Abraham’s steward (Genesis 15:2).
- He was a Gentile “of Damascus” (“a proselyte of the gate”) who “ate the crumbs.”
- He was disinherited (to become a beggar) but he remained faithful to Abraham and God.
- When this earthly life was over, he received Abraham’s inheritance after all (he was in in Abraham’s bosom) — “everlasting habitations.”
- The Rich Man of the Parable was Judah. This son of Jacob had five literal brothers as did the Rich Man.
- He was also a literal son of Abraham, while Eleazar (Lazarus) was not!
- The Rich Man (Judah) also had the kingship (purple) and the priesthood (linen).
- Yet Judah (representing God on this earth) was not the true steward of the Abrahamic blessings.
- Though he and his literal brothers had been graced with the “oracles of God” (the Old Testament) they would not respond to the One resurrected from the dead (Christ).
- The “great gulf” was the Jordan rift valley the dividing line between Gentile lands and the Holy Land of promise (Abraham’s inheritance). Crossing the Jordan was a typical figure recognized by the Jews as a symbol of salvation.
Once these factors are recognized, all the points in the parable (with its context) fit perfectly to give us some simple but profound teachings of Christ. It shows that the physical promises of God (though excellent) are very inferior to the spiritual redemption that anyone (Jew or Gentile) can have in Christ.
You:
Dishonesty?
You misunderstand and rashly accuse.
Forget the Kjv addition.
1 Jn 5.5 (NIV)
Who is the one who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?
6 This is the one who came by water and blood, Jesus Christ, not with the water only, but with the
water and the blood. It is the Spirit that testifies, because the Spirit is the truth.
7 For there are three that testify, the Spirit and the water and the blood, and the three are in agreement.
If we receive the testimony of men, the testimony of God is greater;
for the testimony of God is this, that He has testified concerning His Son.
8 The one who believes in the son of God has the testimony within himself;
the one who does not believe God has made Him a liar,
because he does not believe in the testimony that God has given concerning His Son.
And the testimony is this, that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son.
He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the son of God does not have the life.For us faith in God leads to faith in the Son and obedience to him results in us receiving the Spirit.
The Spirit teaches us that we have followed the right path
The water, the blood and the Spirit.Me: Now you are back to using 1 John 5:7-8 by using aother version to justify this trinity deception. No matter what version you use, 1 John 5:7-8 was added many centuries after the original text.
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/1_john/5-7.htm
Greek interlinear bible:
7. For three they are bearing testimony in heaven the Father the Word and the Holy Spirit and these three one are.
Me: This is more authentic than what you quoted above for verse 7.
Nick….the transfiguration was a vision, about the comming kingdom of God. Jesus aid somethat were there would not die till they saw the kingdom of God coming, so he took three of them andwent up on the mountain of transfiguration, and they saw the vision.
We know the kingdom hasen’t come yet, we’re still waiting for it to come, and the return of Jesus with power and might to bring it about, also scripture says, no one has risen yet except Jesus, the first resurection hasn’t happened yet. All those who have died are still dead waiting for the resurection.
You teach people do not truly die, but GOD SAID, the soul that sins shall die, now i believe what God said is true, why don’t you?
Peace and love to you and yours. …..gene
HI Nick,
Hi Gene,
Nick….the transfiguration was a vision, about the comming kingdom of God. Jesus aid somethat were there would not die till they saw the kingdom of God coming, so he took three of them andwent up on the mountain of transfiguration, and they saw the vision.
We know the kingdom hasen’t come yet, we’re still waiting for it to come, and the return of Jesus with power and might to bring it about, also scripture says, no one has risen yet except Jesus, the first resurection hasn’t happened yet. All those who have died are still dead waiting for the resurection.
You teach people do not truly die, but GOD SAID, the soul that sins shall die, now i believe what God said is true, why don’t you?
Peace and love to you and yours. …..geneMe: I believe you are right up concerning death up to the point where the messiah was resurrected and glorified in heaven.
John 11:23 Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again. 24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day. 25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection (salvation is now, not at the first resurrection), and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:(John 5:25) 26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
2 Cor 6:2 (For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day (time) of salvation.)
Me: We receive new bodies at the first resurrection.
Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw (G 3798:perceived) under the altar the souls (G 5590: individuals, lives) of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? 11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should (G 373:rest: take it easy) yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
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Me: A new body is the last stage of salvation. This is received at the first resurrection
2 Cor 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord
Me: I believe John 3:13 pertains to before the resurrection and glorification of Christ.
Hi TC,
Lk 9.29
And while he was praying, the appearance of his face became different, and his clothing became white and gleaming. And two men were talking with him and they were Moses and Elijah, who appearing in glory, were speaking of his departure, which was to be accomplished in Jerusalem.
Now Peter and his companions had been overcome with sleep but when they were fully awake,they saw his glory and the two men standing with him.
Can you hear this?
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