Do spirits have bodies?

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 09 2011,04:58)

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1Cr 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

Peace Irene

To All …….> Irene changes it to SPIRIT (BODY) instead of SiIrit(UAL) Body. this is just another twisting of the words of GOD. If Paul wanted it to say a SPIRIT BODY he simply would have said SPIRIT BODY. But as anyone with the Spirit of GOD in them cane see that the (IT) sown in dishonor is the BODY not the Spirit and (IT) the BODY is raised (IN) HONOR and GLORY. the IT is the BODY. She or anyone has Yet to produce any scripture that say we become SPIRIT BODY BEINGS , why because a SPIRIT HAS NO BODY> Just that simple, don't get caught in this rubbish they teach it is a MYSTERY RELIGION.

peace and love to all who love the truth……………….gene

Where? When I quote a Scripture, it is copied and pasted from the Internet of the Blue Letter Bible…..The scripture you quoted is from there….and it says Spiritual bodies and not what YOU say….Irene

Hi Irene,

Gene is just copying his hero, JA. It's funny, because the only one I remember using the term “spirit body” to describe what Jesus now has is Shimmer. And Shimmer says she agrees with EVERYTHING JA has said on this thread. And JA is the one railing against the use of “spirit body”.

In fact, we are able to see clearly that JA will be “nice” to those who agree with him, and in his own words (sort of), the rest of us can “go to hell”. But what's funny about it is that Shimmer and Gene DON'T REALLY EVEN AGREE WITH HIM.

Irene, you have it right. Someone asked Paul what kind of BODIES the dead will be raised with. And 1 Cor 15 is a lot of information that all boils down to this: The dead who are going to heaven will not have natural bodies like those of the earth have, but they will have spiritual bodies like those of heaven have.

And Shimmer even posted a guy named Pyles who said this very same thing, and she believes this, yet she says JA is right about everything he's said in this thread.

peace and love,
mike

Mike! The thing is I never said that Spirit has bodies. What I did say is that those that are in Heaven are heavenly and have a Spiritual Body. I ask Gene where I said that, He has not given me that post where he said I said it. The last Scripture I gave was
1 Corinth 44….
I hope too that we can put all of the misunderstanding behind us, and don't listen to any man, but Scripture…..I like a good debate, but not when it gets personal…..And I value those who don't…l
Peace to you Irene

January 9, 2011 at 2:52 am#232515

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Irene………Come on, you have said Spirit(ual) Body means a SPIRIT BODY, implying that a “BODY” can exist as a SPIRIT entity , not only you have said that but so has Mike and Terricca who also believed that . You even went on to say Angles are spirit (BEINGS) without Physical bodies themselves. Meaning they did not have material Bodies of any kind. I have said all along before Mike, JA, or Terricca ever appeared on the seen here, Spirits do not have bodies they are what is (IN) bodies, and that even includes GOD HIMSELF, He live vicariously in and out of HIS CREATION. If you doubt that just go all the way back and check it out your self.

peace and love……………………gene

January 9, 2011 at 3:08 am#232521

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To ALL……………Because this subject is so important to fully understand I am again going to repeat this , A SPIRIT (any spirit) IS NOT A BODY OF ANY KIND AND SPIRIT DOES NOT HAVE A BODY ITSELF, (IT) A SPIRIT as (INTELLECT) IS WHAT LIVES (IN) A BODY, IT CAN POSSES THAT BODY ITS (IN) BY DRIVING ITS (THOUGHTS) AND THIS IS WHAT ANIMATES ALL PHYSICAL LIFE FORMS THAT HAS LIFE (IN) THEM. This is very important to come to understand by us all, It clarifies many scriptures and helps get rid of MUCH MYSTERY RELIGIONS that has infected the whole of Christianity. IMO

peace and love to you all………………………….gene

January 9, 2011 at 3:09 am#232522

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 09 2011,12:52)

peace and love……………………gene

Again Gene where. If you make any accusation you should have the prove…. No I did not say that Spirit has a body. I gave this Scripture

1Cr 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

1Cr 15:38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.

Prove all things

1Th 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

Peace Irene

January 9, 2011 at 3:22 am#232524

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Irene………..Right and you as well as Mike and Terricca all said that those spirit(ual) bodies were in fact Spirit bodies, made up of and composed of Spirit as you assume angels are also Spirits without bodies. You also were thinking we would be raised without any Physical bodies also even saying Jesus was changed into a SPIRIT BEING without a Physical Body. Why do you think everyone here was arguing about SPIRITUAL” BODIES” verse SPIRIT BODIES anyway? Now you come back and say show me where i said that.

peace and love ……………………….gene

January 9, 2011 at 3:35 am#232526

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To all………..Please go back a read my last post regarding Spirits , don't let Irene distract you from this by trying to make it a personal assault on her. It does not matter what She or Terricca or Mike says it is what the Subject is about and that is, DO SPIRITS HAVE BODIES, AND THE ANSWER IS (NO) THEY DO NOT THEY ARE WHAT IS (IN) BODIES EVEN AS GOD WHO IS SPIRIT WAS (IN) JESUS OUR LORD AND MORE OUR BROTHER. He also can be (IN) us ALL and LIVE through US ALL> This is a vital subject, put it as number one on coming to a complete understanding of, it will add much incite and stability to you spirit(ual) walk with GOD the Father and Jesus.

Dump all the false teachings of the GNOSTIC”S who are Trinitarians and Preexistences , they are (SEPARATISTS) AND deceptively work to separate Jesus from you and your identity with him. This is most definitely the SPIRIT (INTELLECT) of the Antichrist John Spoke of. IMO

peace and love to you all…………………………….gene

January 9, 2011 at 9:43 am#232537

shimmer

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“But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.”

January 9, 2011 at 12:19 pm#232545

shimmer

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Quoting the word's of a friend….

The true “Church” are those who are in Christ, which is not an organization. We are the people who are born of the spirit and not by the will of man. No one knows where we come from and where we are going to, as the Spirit of God moves so do we, (The True Church).

January 9, 2011 at 1:12 pm#232546

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To All! It is true that God's Holy Spirit lives in us. And we don't need any Church to worship God in. However to say that Christ did not Preexist is going against Scriptures. There are now over 40 scripture in the Preexisting tread to prove that. This is not the tread to do so. To say that there are no Spiritual Bodies is also going against Scriptures.

1Cr 15:38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.

1Cr 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

The whole Chapter is dealing mainly with what will happen to all after dead. It also deals with Jesus resurrection from the dead.

1Cr 15:17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith [is] vain; ye are yet in your sins.

1Cr 15:18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.

And Scriptures say that God will give it a body as He pleases…..

And those that are in Heaven are Heavenly and those are on earth are earthly.

1Cr 15:48 As [is] the earthy, such [are] they also that are earthy: and as [is] the heavenly, such [are] they also that are heavenly.

We know that now the Angels live in Heaven and those have Spiritual Bodies…they arenot walking around on earth….Some might say…Have you ever seen or heard of an Angel walking and staying on earth? They have come to earth, and Scriptures in Genesis prove that. Not the tread for it.

1Cr 15:40 [There are] also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial [is] one, and the [glory] of the terrestrial [is] another.

As far as Terrestrial Bodies and Celestial Bodies. that is somewhat contradicting while Webster Dictionary says that Celestial bodies are in heaven, heavenly, any being in heaven.
The Internet says mainly about the planets etc. but I found this also

Find Answers for: What Is Terrestrial Body In The Bible?

!st Corinthians 15, 35 and on………terrestrial have to do with natural body's given to earthly life plants come from a seed and given a body all of it's own if you will, animals same, but they do not grow out of ground obviously, Humans the same way.There are terrestrial and celestial body's
angels have celestial. Paul explains a process with us humans, If we are In Christ our body's die a terrestial body, he compares it to a seed that unless it is planted in the ground it remains useless.
The same with a true christian, when we die, the undertaker puts us in coffin and lowers us 6 feet or whatever and we are raised with a celestial or immortal body at the rapture, the same kind of body Jesus had after he rose from dead, he appeared to disciples and ladies for 40 days, he walked through walls………………………………….Same when Jesus Died, unless a kernal of corn die and is sown into ground it abides alone, but if it dies it will be raised a bring forth a never ending crop……2,000 plus years later the harvest is still coming in Great Answer Report Hezakiah 1 year ago

How interesting is that….

Lets use a little bit of common sense in this. Why would Paul give a comparing about Terrestrial and Celestial Bodies if they are the same. I think that Webster Dictionary has it right..

Peace Irene

January 9, 2011 at 1:53 pm#232547

terraricca

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Quote (shimmer @ Jan. 10 2011,05:19)

Quoting the word's of a friend….

suimmer

it is useless if we in our own eyes are saying that we are part of the temple of Christ,it may be a good feeling at the moment but is it true

this is what Paul says;;Gal 5:7 You were running a good race. Who cut in on you and kept you from obeying the truth?
2Ti 4:7 I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith.

Heb 12:1 Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily entangles, and let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us

so you are a little premature in your view ,and you just like all of us can and may stumble before we reach the end.

some and many are selling the kingdom for a price,but they do not own it so they are Antichrist by there actions.

the truth belong to God,and if you have devoted yourself to him ,you then belong to him who can save you,but you ,we,have to remain if the faith until the end.

if you belong to an organization it is the same than being married you are divided between that organization and God,

most of us here have chosen to be fully devoted to our God and his son,and so ,are not divided to worship our God and serve Christ his son.

in this way we are in his spirit 100%and not 30%-70% ,of the time,

now as for the temple there are only 144000 members as per the book of Revelation no more no less ,but we are only be able to be part of the great crowed as per the same book,there is no number on this one,but we still have the same condition,to be faithful until the end.

some of us have attitudes and are emotionally inclined this is to be corrected,before claiming victory .

and many other things so let us humbly work toward the end in HOPE that God will find us good enough to be in the first resurrection.

Pierre

January 9, 2011 at 2:00 pm#232548

terraricca

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Quote (shimmer @ Jan. 10 2011,02:43)

“But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.”

shimmer

i am almost sure you do not understand what you are stating

this could very well be addressed to you,

it seams you trowed it toward others and so excluding you ??

so what is it mean??

Pierre

January 9, 2011 at 2:29 pm#232554

shimmer

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Teraricca, Please dont make personal judgments on me. Stick with the subject being discussed not the person.

Ja/Astari needs to stop that too, HEAR THAT JA ? Good.

The verse I quoted was not addressed to anyone, just to whoever isnt understanding things here. I made a post a few pages back, JA got it, cool. Then Mike put some post bringing up things from a hundred pages back. Thats annoying. How can anyone move on like that ?

The church is no organisation. The church is a building built bit by bit by people, to make one body of people who are one in agreement fOR God.

144000 is just the cut off point, only God knows/ will know the time and I believe if there was no cut off point, then God who is love would allow life to carry on forever, desiring every new person born to be saved…(how I see it only).

I wish I could help people here, sometimes I wish I could put some on ignore (Yes there is a button to push on some forums and their posts dont show up) because people here just don't understand, I was at a peacefull place. Or maybe this is part of that peacefull place ? Ok im ok with that.

But everyone here is missing the point !

January 9, 2011 at 2:36 pm#232556

terraricca

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Quote (shimmer @ Jan. 10 2011,07:29)

Teraricca, Please dont make personal judgments on me. Stick with the subject being discussed not the person.

Ja/Astari needs to stop that too, HEAR THAT JA ? Good.

The church is no organisation. The church is a building built bit by bit by people, to make one body of people who are one in agreement fOR God.

199000 is just the cut off point, only God knows/ will know the time and I believe if there was no cut off point, then God who is love would allow life to carry on forever, desiring every new person born to be saved…(how I see it only).

But everyone here is missing the point !

shimmer

next time if this is the case ,you should add “this is what scriptures says” or something similar so the ones who read your comment have the right understanding of your comment,

just a my view,

Pierre

January 9, 2011 at 2:47 pm#232557

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To All! We should all watch what we say. I don't like the personal attacks no matter who makes it. We are the Church. It is not the building that makes the Church. Christ being the Head of us and the Church. When He comes again He will marry His Church. Who will that be? I am hopeful that we all will be the ones standing in front of the Throne in Re, 7 but only Almighty God knows who they are…We don't The elect who died for Christ will be in the first Resurrection. We have God's Holy Spirit in us, and please act like Christians…… the personal attacks are senseless and wrong….If you disagree with ones theology give Scriptures according to that, not Scriptures that attack….
Peace Irene

January 9, 2011 at 3:43 pm#232563

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 09 2011,12:11)

Mike……….Another or you misunderstood statements I have been saying Spirit do not have bodies for years even on here, before i even knew JA ever existed. Just another of you misrepresenting of the truth. Which i might say you are very good at. IMO

Hi Gene,

I was referring to the fact that YOU think angels have bodies. JA thinks angels DON'T have bodies, because unlike you, he knows that angels ARE spirits.

And you think Jesus still has a flesh body in heaven, right? JA does NOT believe that.

I was just pointing out how JA posts nicely to anyone he thinks is agreeing with him. That's not right, man. Irene and I have not insulted or disrespected each other even though I've come to believe that Jesus was raised in the same body he died in and she doesn't believe that.

There's a pretty clear line between the “chiding” that you mentioned before and an all out “hate post”…………don't you think?

So I wasn't really “misrepresenting the truth” after all, was I?

peace and love,
mike

January 9, 2011 at 4:02 pm#232564

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 09 2011,13:08)

peace and love to you all………………………….gene

Hi Gene,

It's not that I disagree with you when it comes to humankind. But what of the angels? Scripture says they ARE spirits – which I take to mean “spirit beings”. What does the spirit “possess” in a spirit being? Obviously angels don't have flesh bodies like we have. So what kind of body is the spirit possessing in angels?

mike

January 9, 2011 at 4:18 pm#232565

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Quote (shimmer @ Jan. 10 2011,00:29)

But everyone here is missing the point !

Hi Shimmer,

I understand that people sometimes adjust their understanding in light of scriptures they hadn't considered before……..as well they should. It's the ones who cling to their first understanding DESPITE scriptural evidence to the contrary that have a problem, IMO.

But I've read almost every post in the thread since I started it, and you and JA are NOT believing the same things. So I find it odd that you would post a declaration about how you agree with EVERYTHING JA has ever posted on this thread……..when that's not really the case.

Shimmer, do angels have bodies? YES or NO?

peace and love,
mike

January 9, 2011 at 4:40 pm#232566

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Quote (Baker @ Jan. 10 2011,00:47)

Good post, Irene.

I too think we should all stop the put downs. We should discuss by posting the actual scripture and OUR understanding of it. Then others can say, “Well, I don't understand that scripture the same way you do because of these scriptures………” And so on and so on.

And at the end of it all, at least everyone knows WHY we understand things the way we do, and we can work from there to either convince the other by using scriptures, or just agree to disagree.

But when people post things like “you don't have God in you” or “you have the spirit of the antichrist” or “they just don't get it”, what point does that serve?

For example, I can't see how more than one of ANYTHING can exist without some sort of body to separate one from the other. I don't believe ANYTHING is “immaterial” just because our microscopes cannot see small enough to “discover” the material in this “immaterial space”. I believe that to be extremely close minded, like saying, “If WE can't yet see it with our technology, then it's not there”. We can't even see the spectrum of light waves without a prism, but that doesn't mean that all light is “white”.

And loaded with this, which I admit is my OWN MANMADE understanding, I understand 1 Cor 15 to be explaining the BODIES that spirit beings have.

If you don't agree, then show me a scripture and YOUR understanding of how that SCRIPTURE proves my understanding to be flawed. And I will listen.

Gene, you like to talk about the “seven spirits of God”. How does anyone know there are seven of them? What is it that separates one of them from the other six? Do you see my point? I've asked about “SEPARATION” many times on this thread and have received a response from only Pierre, who agrees that there must be SOMETHING that SEPARATES one thing, whatever it is, from another.

A question for all:

Angels ARE spirits, for the scriptures say so. What separates Gabriel from Michael if not a BODY of some sort?

peace and love,
mike

January 9, 2011 at 5:45 pm#232571

Istari

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Mikeboll64,
What is the definition of 'Spirit'?

Is it not, 'An IMMATERIAL BEING'?

Yet you say that an Angel as a body…and yet the very definition by EXPERTS and denied by NO ONE, except you and Irene (I have no idea what Terraricca believes as all he does is paste copied verses more often even completely unrelated to the discussion in hand).

So, Mikeboll64, you are confused about what you believe. You lack understanding while acting as though it is you who is the expert?

You look for definition but refuse it when it doesn't say what you would like it to say?
This says you thInk you are a God! The World MUST Change to accommodate your thoughts and misaligned ideas.

You say that Angels/spirits cannot be Immaterial…mikeboll64, define 'Angel/Spirit'

You creep your way to belief while causing havoc and a trail of destrucion behind you, then make out it is what you ALWAYS believed.

Shimmer says she believes what JA says. Why the criticism? JA has not changed his opinion so if Shimmer believes him then she too cannot have changed her opinion either?

A Spirit has no body. That is why it is called 'Spirit'.

Mikeboll64, a Spirit has no body, that is why it is called Spirit.

When you 'prove it to yourself' then you will claim that it is your own invention!

Mikeboll64, no one can tell you anything. Everything you know comes from your experience.

Hey, Mikeboll64, Suicide is painless (Mash).
Mikeboll, suicide doesn't leave you dead. Let's debate with proof. You can experience it firsthand. I will believe what I believe by Faith. Ok.
You go first. Suicide…go!!!

January 9, 2011 at 5:45 pm#232572