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Hi Shimmer,
I'm still DISCUSSING the matter with them. Pierre has a very good scripture that has Jesus saying, “this is my BODY, which I GIVE for you”.
And why would you think that you and I would agree on what's “important” and what's not?
We are very different people Shimmer. You are lax on the trinity, when I think that doctrine causes people to worship someone other than God against the direct command of God.I don't know that being wrong about whether or not Jesus was raised with his SAME body qualifies as something that would keep anyone from everlasting life, Shimmer.
I don't post to make others “happy” or make them “like me”. What I post is what I believe……..FROM SCRIPTURE. It's just that Pierre has brought up a VERY GOOD one that I must look into. But Pierre's scripture says nothing about Jesus being raised as a spirit, so I still stand with you that he was not………until he ascended.
peace and love,
mikeQuote (Ed J @ Dec. 30 2010,00:00) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 29 2010,23:45) EdJ………….You are in error about Tyndale , the King James is a bible the is Half Catholic and Tyndale. King Jame had it translated to appease both the Catholics and the Protestants in England, that is why there is so much confusion in it. I have Just recently seen a complete documentary on Tyndale and His translation of Scriptures is excellent and He was a Greek and Hebrew Scholar and understood those languages perfectly. His translation is what was used to translated Half the king James bibles as well as the Catholic's Vulgate Bible Our king James is a fifty percent Catholic Latin Vulgate and fifty percent TYNDALE. Bible. Where ever you got you information is wrong brother. I have read just some of it and it is very accurate and clarifies some false translations of the King James Catholic influenced Bible. At the time of the writing of the King James there were no bibles except Tyndale's Bible in the Hand of the People, the Catholic Church forbid anyone to have Bibles except the Church and would Kill anyone who had one, You need to go back and research you history on Tyndale IMO peace and love………………………………gene
Hi Gene,You're confusing the Tyndale bible with the Geneva bible.
And your confusing the AKJV bible with “the great bible”.
You need to do more research, and you'll see I'm right.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi Gene,Did you check further into what I said?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 30 2010,20:43) Quote (shimmer @ Dec. 30 2010,13:20) JustAskin.. Each type of body has a different glory. Animal different from bird from fish from Man.
So to the difference between earth and sky.
Similarly, the difference between the natural body and the spiritual body. That the natural body is subject to sin and corruption, all natural flesh on earth dies at some point, but the Spiritual bod, like …similar to… the sun moon and stars, exist with a radiant glow, are Sinless and incorruptible, never dying… (of course, these are only verbal similes, not Scientific facts)
I agree with that Shimmer. But instead of “similar to”, I think Paul was saying could be better worded by: “as can be seen by”.He was saying the INVISIBLE, spiritual, heavenly bodies of those PEOPLE raised to heaven would be different than the bodies they had on earth…………AS CAN BE SEEN BY………… the difference between the VISIBLE bodies we can see on earth as compared to the VISIBLE bodies we can see in the heavens, such as the sun, moon and stars. He was simply using the VISIBLE things people could see in heaven as an example of how the INVISIBLE things of heaven are also different from the things of earth…………..namely, PEOPLE'S BODIES.
peace and love,
mike
MikeMk 12:23 At the resurrection whose wife will she be, since the seven were married to her?”
Mk 12:24 Jesus replied, “Are you not in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God?
Mk 12:25 When the dead rise, they will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.Lk 20:36 and they can no longer die; for they are like the angels. They are God’s children, since they are children of the resurrection.
Pierre
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 30 2010,16:54) And why would you think that you and I would agree on what's “important” and what's not? We are very different people Shimmer. You are lax on the trinity, when I think that doctrine causes people to worship someone other than God against the direct command of God.I don't know that being wrong about whether or not Jesus was raised with his SAME body qualifies as something that would keep anyone from everlasting life, Shimmer.
Mike, look at the wording here…“If thou mayest confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and mayest believe in thy heart that God did raise him out of the dead, thou shalt be saved”
Now HOW important is it Mike?
Confessing outloud that Jesus is Lord.
Believing in your heart that God raised Him out of the dead.Trinity ? No big deal to me.
Was Jesus the Son of God ? Big deal.
Did Jesus speak the truth ? Big deal.
Did Jesus suffer and was He crucified for our sins ? Big deal.
Was Jesus risen from the dead in the flesh ? Big deal.
Will Jesus return one day ? Big deal
Is He our Lord ? Big deal.
Should we sin ? Big deal.
Should we love God with all our Heart ? Big deal.
Should we obey God ? Big deal
Should we pray ? Big deal.
Should we submit to God's will and not our own ? Big deal.
Should we love other's ? Big deal.
Should we try to save other's ? Big deal.
Should we help people ? (Feed the hungry, clothe the naked etc) Big deal
Should we go to war or take sides in war ? Big deal
Does God punish people forever ? Big deal.
Should we blaspheme the 'Glorious ones' and speak of thing's we know nothing about ? Big deal.I think you get my drift.
Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 30 2010,16:24) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 30 2010,00:00) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 29 2010,23:45) EdJ………….You are in error about Tyndale , the King James is a bible the is Half Catholic and Tyndale. King Jame had it translated to appease both the Catholics and the Protestants in England, that is why there is so much confusion in it. I have Just recently seen a complete documentary on Tyndale and His translation of Scriptures is excellent and He was a Greek and Hebrew Scholar and understood those languages perfectly. His translation is what was used to translated Half the king James bibles as well as the Catholic's Vulgate Bible Our king James is a fifty percent Catholic Latin Vulgate and fifty percent TYNDALE. Bible. Where ever you got you information is wrong brother. I have read just some of it and it is very accurate and clarifies some false translations of the King James Catholic influenced Bible. At the time of the writing of the King James there were no bibles except Tyndale's Bible in the Hand of the People, the Catholic Church forbid anyone to have Bibles except the Church and would Kill anyone who had one, You need to go back and research you history on Tyndale IMO peace and love………………………………gene
Hi Gene,You're confusing the Tyndale bible with the Geneva bible.
And your confusing the AKJV bible with “the great bible”.
You need to do more research, and you'll see I'm right.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi Gene,Did you check further into what I said?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDJ……………Yes i did recheck and and Tyndale translated from the GREEK and Hebrew Texts (directly) and the Bibles we now have are Half Tyndale and Half from the Catholic bibles, this splitting of text was done by King James and nearly all bible are copies of them, many syntax were alter because the Greek language allowes word to be taken in many different way. As the word (Through) 50 different way and the word (BY) 70 different ways. In our present bibles.But I have found something even better i believe and that is the Aramaic translation of the New testament by Gabriell Roth, and have ordered it also. It seems Aramaic was what the original scriptures were written in, at least most of them and that was the language of time of Christ it is much like the Hebrew language and Words are far more specific in meaning . Go To Amazon.com and read the reviews on the book, i have known for a long time known words like Camel was replaced for the word Rope, in our present text. EDJ, that is why i try to find (ALL) the text that deal with a subject and from there draw my conclusions instead of just zeroing in on just One text to make my mind up. We are told the SUM of GODS Words are truth. It is easy to get thrown off by just one text especially when those words are used in many different ways and heavily influenced by biased translators, Take the word Lucifier (rising star) as meaning Satan when in the very text itself it say he was a MAN, and the words were sent the the King of Babylon, and because of the Metaphoric language used people assume all kind of things it is not really saying.
peace and love………………………………….gene
Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 30 2010,12:09) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 30 2010,12:02) Quote (shimmer @ Dec. 30 2010,11:42) From JustAskin… mikeboll64, you are trying to prove that Celestial means what you WANT it to mean.
What does the first line in your dictionary say?
Does it not align with what Paul says:
“there are terrestrial bodies like Animals, fish, birds and Man.
And there are Celestial bodies like Sun, Moon and Stars”Mikeboll64, why did you look up the word 'Celestial' by itself, when the term in question is 'Celestial Body'?
Mikeboll64, please post a definition of 'Celestial Body' and not 'Celestial' by itself. Is it not deception to change the context like you just did, do you think?
Also, do you think that 'Spirit Body' (not mentioned any where by anyone at anytime except you) is the same as 'Spiritual Body'?
Mikeboll64, Jesus was buried in a Natural Body…and was raised in a Spiritual Body (not a Spirit Body like you said because there is no such thing as a Spirit Body…what is a 'spirit Body', Mike?).
Mikeboll64, was the Spiritual Body that Jesus was raised up in, Flesh and Bone, or, like you said 'Spirit'?I see though, that we are no longer discussing Spirit Body, nor Spiritual Body, for I see you are now saying that Jesus was raised into a Fleshly body, albeit, a glorified, pure, Sinless and incorruptible Fleshly body.
Strange, that after all this time, you are now agreeing with Paul:
'It is sown a corruptible body; it is raised an incorruptible SpiritUAL Body.
First the Natural Body, then the Spiritual Body.'Mike, was Jesus' Spiritual Body made of Flesh and Bone, or was it Spirit?”
Shimmer ………..Right on , this was JA point he was trying to make and i totally agree with it, as you do to. I think EDJ does to.Shimmer go to Amazon.com and read the review on the Aramaic new testament written by Gabriel Roth. It is supposed to clarify a lot of scriptures that have caused so many devisions in Greek-Roman- Catholic-Protestant Christianity. Check it out and see what you think.
peace and love to you and yours…………………………..gene
Hi Gene,Does it have the original Matthew?
God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDJ……….The (original) MATTHEW BIBLE (IS) the TYNDALE Bible, from what i have read. Tyndale was being persecuted for trying to publish the bible and used various names to keep from being captured and he finely was betrayed and captured and killed by the Catholics and Protestants also. and Burned at the stake. He truly was a Saint who died for the word of GOD. IMOpeace and love……………………….gene
Quote (shimmer @ Dec. 30 2010,19:00) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 30 2010,16:54) And why would you think that you and I would agree on what's “important” and what's not? We are very different people Shimmer. You are lax on the trinity, when I think that doctrine causes people to worship someone other than God against the direct command of God.I don't know that being wrong about whether or not Jesus was raised with his SAME body qualifies as something that would keep anyone from everlasting life, Shimmer.
Mike, look at the wording here…“If thou mayest confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and mayest believe in thy heart that God did raise him out of the dead, thou shalt be saved”
Now HOW important is it Mike?
Confessing outloud that Jesus is Lord.
Believing in your heart that God raised Him out of the dead.Trinity ? No big deal to me.
Was Jesus the Son of God ? Big deal.
Did Jesus speak the truth ? Big deal.
Did Jesus suffer and was He crucified for our sins ? Big deal.
Was Jesus risen from the dead in the flesh ? Big deal.
Will Jesus return one day ? Big deal
Is He our Lord ? Big deal.
Should we sin ? Big deal.
Should we love God with all our Heart ? Big deal.
Should we obey God ? Big deal
Should we pray ? Big deal.
Should we submit to God's will and not our own ? Big deal.
Should we love other's ? Big deal.
Should we try to save other's ? Big deal.
Should we help people ? (Feed the hungry, clothe the naked etc) Big deal
Should we go to war or take sides in war ? Big deal
Does God punish people forever ? Big deal.
Should we blaspheme the 'Glorious ones' and speak of thing's we know nothing about ? Big deal.I think you get my drift.
Shimmer, the verse you quoted does not say that believing Jesus was resurrected in the flesh, but that God did raise Him from the dead. Most of us all believe that He did…..Most also believe that He is what Rev.19 says He is KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS….and i believe it in my heart……
However to know for certain that Jesus was resurrected in the flesh
there is only these Scriptures that I know of1Cr 15:42 So also [is] the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
1Cr 15:43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
1Cr 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
And then we have Jesus asking His Father this in
Jhn 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
We also know that Maria Magdalene and the Apostles did not recognize Jesus and She thought He was the Gardner. So that shows that He was not resurrected in the same flesh body He died in….
And then we have the ransom
Mar 10:45 For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.
1Ti 2:6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
A ransom is that you exchange one for the other. Whether Jesus body was taken away by God so He would not see decay, that is not known to me….
Those are some things we all should take into consideration IMO
Peace IreneQuote (shimmer @ Dec. 31 2010,02:00) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 30 2010,16:54) And why would you think that you and I would agree on what's “important” and what's not? We are very different people Shimmer. You are lax on the trinity, when I think that doctrine causes people to worship someone other than God against the direct command of God.I don't know that being wrong about whether or not Jesus was raised with his SAME body qualifies as something that would keep anyone from everlasting life, Shimmer.
Mike, look at the wording here…“If thou mayest confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and mayest believe in thy heart that God did raise him out of the dead, thou shalt be saved”
Now HOW important is it Mike?
Confessing outloud that Jesus is Lord.
Believing in your heart that God raised Him out of the dead.Trinity ? No big deal to me.
Was Jesus the Son of God ? Big deal.
Did Jesus speak the truth ? Big deal.
Did Jesus suffer and was He crucified for our sins ? Big deal.
Was Jesus risen from the dead in the flesh ? Big deal.
Will Jesus return one day ? Big deal
Is He our Lord ? Big deal.
Should we sin ? Big deal.
Should we love God with all our Heart ? Big deal.
Should we obey God ? Big deal
Should we pray ? Big deal.
Should we submit to God's will and not our own ? Big deal.
Should we love other's ? Big deal.
Should we try to save other's ? Big deal.
Should we help people ? (Feed the hungry, clothe the naked etc) Big deal
Should we go to war or take sides in war ? Big deal
Does God punish people forever ? Big deal.
Should we blaspheme the 'Glorious ones' and speak of thing's we know nothing about ? Big deal.I think you get my drift.
shimmerit seems you mist God s purpose to men,if the only thing we have to do is believing as you say,why is it that the bible tell us to have faith,
how do you acquire faith,?
how do you strengthen it ?
how do come to know to believe in the one God has send ?
how do you understand the why s of God s way??
how do we know witch one is a liar??
how we learn the difference between good and bad ??
how we learn to become efficient in our faith and deeds ??
how we learn to be truthful and not deceitful ??
how and were we learn what is important ??shimmer ,you have not come to know God and neither the one he send,
you are frustrated about something and passed to us ,wrong deed,unless the love for God comes out of your hearth ,you always will produce the devil' s will,
many weeks ago i ask you to read some scripture and you told me that you will get back to me ,to explain your understanding i have never seen that respond,
so you like to teach but not learn ,and your teachings are so deceit full,
a good example in judgement would be Salomon,judgement on the two women and the baby claim by both ,you should read it some time.
Pierre
Quote (shimmer @ Dec. 30 2010,19:00)
Mike, look at the wording here…“If thou mayest confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and mayest believe in thy heart that God did raise him out of the dead, thou shalt be saved”
Now HOW important is it Mike?
Hi Shimmer,That's VERY important. For if God did NOT raise Jesus from the dead, then what is OUR hope based on? I have not seen anyone in the believers side who denies this though.
Quote (shimmer @ Dec. 30 2010,19:00)
Trinity ? No big deal to me.
Should we obey God ? Big deal.
These two things you posted contradict each other, Shimmer. If you obey God, then you will worship ONLY God. If you obey Jesus, you will worship ONLY God. If you obey the trinity, you worship more than God Most High as God. Do you see the contradiction?peace and love,
mikeQuote (shimmer @ Dec. 31 2010,02:00) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 30 2010,16:54) And why would you think that you and I would agree on what's “important” and what's not? We are very different people Shimmer. You are lax on the trinity, when I think that doctrine causes people to worship someone other than God against the direct command of God.I don't know that being wrong about whether or not Jesus was raised with his SAME body qualifies as something that would keep anyone from everlasting life, Shimmer.
Mike, look at the wording here…“If thou mayest confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and mayest believe in thy heart that God did raise him out of the dead, thou shalt be saved”
Now HOW important is it Mike?
Confessing outloud that Jesus is Lord.
Believing in your heart that God raised Him out of the dead.Trinity ? No big deal to me.
Was Jesus the Son of God ? Big deal.
Did Jesus speak the truth ? Big deal.
Did Jesus suffer and was He crucified for our sins ? Big deal.
Was Jesus risen from the dead in the flesh ? Big deal.
Will Jesus return one day ? Big deal
Is He our Lord ? Big deal.
Should we sin ? Big deal.
Should we love God with all our Heart ? Big deal.
Should we obey God ? Big deal
Should we pray ? Big deal.
Should we submit to God's will and not our own ? Big deal.
Should we love other's ? Big deal.
Should we try to save other's ? Big deal.
Should we help people ? (Feed the hungry, clothe the naked etc) Big deal
Should we go to war or take sides in war ? Big deal
Does God punish people forever ? Big deal.
Should we blaspheme the 'Glorious ones' and speak of thing's we know nothing about ? Big deal.I think you get my drift.
shimmerit seems you mist God s purpose to men,if the only thing we have to do is believing as you say,why is it that the bible tell us to have faith,
how do you acquire faith,?
how do you strengthen it ?
how do come to know to believe in the one God has send ?
how do you understand the why s of God s way??
how do we know witch one is a liar??
how we learn the difference between good and bad ??
how we learn to become efficient in our faith and deeds ??
how we learn to be truthful and not deceitful ??
how and were we learn what is important ??shimmer ,you have not come to know God and neither the one he send,
you are frustrated about something and passed to us ,wrong deed,unless the love for God comes out of your hearth ,you always will produce the devil' s will,
many weeks ago i ask you to read some scripture and you told me that you will get back to me ,to explain your understanding i have never seen that respond,
so you like to teach but not learn ,and your teachings are so deceit full,
a good example in judgement would be Salomon,judgement on the two women and the baby claim by both ,you should read it some time.
Pierre
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 31 2010,06:25) Quote (shimmer @ Dec. 31 2010,02:00) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 30 2010,16:54) And why would you think that you and I would agree on what's “important” and what's not? We are very different people Shimmer. You are lax on the trinity, when I think that doctrine causes people to worship someone other than God against the direct command of God.I don't know that being wrong about whether or not Jesus was raised with his SAME body qualifies as something that would keep anyone from everlasting life, Shimmer.
Mike, look at the wording here…“If thou mayest confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and mayest believe in thy heart that God did raise him out of the dead, thou shalt be saved”
Now HOW important is it Mike?
Confessing outloud that Jesus is Lord.
Believing in your heart that God raised Him out of the dead.Trinity ? No big deal to me.
Was Jesus the Son of God ? Big deal.
Did Jesus speak the truth ? Big deal.
Did Jesus suffer and was He crucified for our sins ? Big deal.
Was Jesus risen from the dead in the flesh ? Big deal.
Will Jesus return one day ? Big deal
Is He our Lord ? Big deal.
Should we sin ? Big deal.
Should we love God with all our Heart ? Big deal.
Should we obey God ? Big deal
Should we pray ? Big deal.
Should we submit to God's will and not our own ? Big deal.
Should we love other's ? Big deal.
Should we try to save other's ? Big deal.
Should we help people ? (Feed the hungry, clothe the naked etc) Big deal
Should we go to war or take sides in war ? Big deal
Does God punish people forever ? Big deal.
Should we blaspheme the 'Glorious ones' and speak of thing's we know nothing about ? Big deal.I think you get my drift.
shimmerit seems you mist God s purpose to men,if the only thing we have to do is believing as you say,why is it that the bible tell us to have faith,
how do you acquire faith,?
how do you strengthen it ?
how do come to know to believe in the one God has send ?
how do you understand the why s of God s way??
how do we know witch one is a liar??
how we learn the difference between good and bad ??
how we learn to become efficient in our faith and deeds ??
how we learn to be truthful and not deceitful ??
how and were we learn what is important ??shimmer ,you have not come to know God and neither the one he send,
you are frustrated about something and passed to us ,wrong deed,unless the love for God comes out of your hearth ,you always will produce the devil' s will,
many weeks ago i ask you to read some scripture and you told me that you will get back to me ,to explain your understanding i have never seen that respond,
so you like to teach but not learn ,and your teachings are so deceit full,
a good example in judgement would be Salomon,judgement on the two women and the baby claim by both ,you should read it some time.
Pierre
Terrarica, I think I will report your post. How do you know if I have come to know God and the one He sent ? Who are you to say that ? You are full of deciet, and it's funny, you said that to me. All you know is how to judge people. You lie and you find verses to back up your lies. Then when you can't handle the truth you attack the person. Yeah your right about one thing. Wasting my time on such a stupid forum.Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 30 2010,11:04) Quote (Baker @ Dec. 29 2010,06:02) I say, he offered up his body, not just his blood; I say that since you seam to see a difference there.
Hi Georg,And you might be right. Pierre has posted a scripture from the last supper where Jesus definitely says he offers his BODY for us.
I'm just trying to make that scripture work out with the one where Jesus says he is NOT [yet] a spirit. I know Jesus is a spirit NOW, and I have posted that 1 Cor 15 scripture many times as proof, along with Galatians 1:1 and 1:12 – which both make it clear that Jesus is no longer a man.
But I just don't know how to reconcile Luke 22:19 with Luke 24:39. Do you?
peace and love,
mike
mikeJesus braking the bread, and referring to it as his body, is symbolic, just as he had said,
Jhn 6:48 I am that bread of life.
Now look at these scriptures.
Jhn 6:53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
Jhn 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
Jhn 6:55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
Jhn 6:56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
Now you know he did not men that literal.
The “bread” he is talking about is the word of God.
He in the flesh, brought us that bread, his flesh body, symbolizing that bread, was broken for us.
Jesus explains that our body profits nothing from that.Jhn 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
Luke 24:39, you have to understand that the apostles were in doubt about Jesus them self; they were in a locked room for fear of the people, suddenly there appeared Jesus in their midst; what would you have thought that could be if not a ghost?
Jesus had to manifest himself once he was in the room, other wise they would not have seen him, but his sudden appearance frighted them so he had to identify him self since obviously they did not recognize him by sight.
Only when he showed them his wounds did they believe him.
Jesus assured them it was really him, since a Ghost/spirit has no flesh and bones; why did he not mention blood? when you look at a person, are you in doubt whether he or she has blood under their skin?
That's the best way I know how to explain it.Georg
Terrarica, you have a problem with JustAskin. So you take it out on me. Is that it ? If you say I don't know God, why do you say that ? What is it that I said to make you think that ? What is your reason ? You say something but you can't show how…why…when ? For what reason Terrarica ?
Quote (shimmer @ Dec. 30 2010,19:00) Trinity ? No big deal to me. Was Jesus the Son of God ? Big deal.
Did Jesus speak the truth ? Big deal.
Did Jesus suffer and was He crucified for our sins ? Big deal.
Was Jesus risen from the dead in the flesh ? Big deal.
Will Jesus return one day ? Big deal
Is He our Lord ? Big deal.
Should we sin ? Big deal.
Should we love God with all our Heart ? Big deal.
Should we obey God ? Big deal
Should we pray ? Big deal.
Should we submit to God's will and not our own ? Big deal.
Should we love other's ? Big deal.
Should we try to save other's ? Big deal.
Should we help people ? (Feed the hungry, clothe the naked etc) Big deal
Should we go to war or take sides in war ? Big deal
Does God punish people forever ? Big deal.
Should we blaspheme the 'Glorious ones' and speak of thing's we know nothing about ? Big deal.I think you get my drift.
ShimmerI wonder if Jesus will take your “BIG DEAL” as a compliment, or as an insult?
Georg
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