Do spirits have bodies?

[terraricca]

Quote (JustAskin @ Dec. 27 2010,23:16)

Here is a thing to all. The ThREAD TITLE is “DO Spirits have Bodies” so far, NO ONE has posted a SINGLE THING saying that “SPIRITS HAVE BODIES” What they have posted is that “JESUS HAS A BODY”…

[JustAskin]

Terra,

Are those three clowns the
“We Three Kings DIS-Oriented are?”

altogether now:
“We Three Kings DIS-Oriented are”
“Lies and deceit we bring from afar”
“Truth discounting”
“Slanders mounting”
“And Terrestrial means 'moon and Star'?”

[JustAskin]

bip.

[terraricca]

Quote (JustAskin @ Dec. 27 2010,23:02)

Like i said “Here comes the silly brigade”… Terra, Job is ALLEGORICAL….I guess it is pointless to ask if you even begin to understand what that means otherwise you wouldn't have posted in the first place…. (Ahhh….God sits round a table with his Angels….ha ha Terra… Can i book for my two year old neice's birthday party as the clown?)

[JustAskin]

chorus:

“Oh, does any one wonder, are any of them right*”                                  *(In the head?)
“How do any of them get sleep at night”
“Unrighteous misleading, truth deceiving”
“Hiding from perfect light”

[shimmer]

Jay,

[mikeboll64]

HI ALL,

I have blocked JA from posting for now – per his request.  t8 has been busy and can oversee the whole situation later, and decide what to do.

I asked nicely.  I offered a truce to him……..twice, and I was rejected both times.  I told him that I didn't want him off the site, but just to stop the abuse.  He refused, as you all can see from his last posts.  

I, for one, did not join HN to suffer verbal assaults and abuse.  A disagreement is one thing, but to consistently spew hate is something else.

Sorry for the recent ugliness.

peace and love,
mike

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 27 2010,14:17)

Quote (shimmer @ Dec. 25 2010,20:07) Hi Ed. So, do you believe Jesus was risen in the flesh or Spirit ? A simple yes or no will do, thanks.       Yes; um a, I mean No;   …hey wait a minute, this question can't be answered yes or no! Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 26 2010,05:05) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 25 2010,21:50) A simple yes or no will NOT do! Your question cannot be answered with a yes or a no? Hi Ed, I thought the same thing when I saw Shimmer's post.     But we all know what she meant, right?  She's looking for a DIRECT answer to her question, not more of your numbers I think.   peace and love, mike Hi Mike, Yes; you see what I mean. Are you denying that you were agreeing with me? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi Ed,

I think you should answer her question even though she made a slip and it's not a YES or NO question.

So…………what's your answer? Mine is: FLESH

mike

[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (JustAskin @ Dec. 27 2010,15:58)

If I am to be blocked for saying IRENE LIED that “CELESTIAL means Spirit” when her evidence is faulty in the extreme least, and discreitable in teh seconf=d term and almost outlandish in the first, then Block on… I have not even been able to find the quote that she posted in any dictionay I looked at… EVERY DICTIONARY THAT I LOOKED AT FOR CELESTIAL said “SUN MOON AND STARS”, yet Irene and MIKEBOLL64 say I have not tried looking . Please, oblige me…just google “CELESTIAL”… Then, having failed to get anywhere there – Irene stoops to monumental depths by claiming that “TERRESTRIAL BODIES” means “Sun, Moon and Stars”….Excuse me…what? So what is Territory? What is Territorial what it Subterranean? Is this a crazy house led by MIKEBOLL64….King in his own Castle….MikeCastleBollnet64? Mikeboll64 needs crowning… no – no really, he really needs crowning….! (ha ha did you get that – good eh?)

JA………..This i agree with you on Celestial means heaven (ly) bodies like the moon, sun and stars. Terrestrial comes from the word (Terra) meaning Earth or dirt, land., I have been through this before with Irene and she just does not understand it and it appears Mike and Terreicca also do not. So in this you are right about them. What is interesting is even though Paul even goes into detail explaining them , they still don't get it. It is amazing how false teachings can make some people so dogmatic and block them from learning anything new even if it is the truth.

JA you are beginning to see what Martian came to, he as you got discouraged by not being able to have his points seen and became frustrated with them and got to the point where he no longer cared what they thought and then finally just left the site , this was a great loss here because Martian was encouraging us to use our common sense to understand scripture and look for the purposes involved in them, He truly was a great loss Here IMO,

But JA we need to Just stay firm in our convictions and try to explain them in as simply and clearly as we can, but it does get frustrating at times on that i will agree. I am sorry if i added to any of you frustrations i did not intend to and sorry if i did. I did agree with much of what you have said but not everything brother. It alway sorrows me to see anyone leave the site especially when they have much to offer here. Again i am sorry if i had any part in this.

peace and love to you and yours brother…………………gene

[mikeboll64]

Hi Irene,

Just to be clear, the “baby steps” was not meant to imply YOU needed to go slow.  It meant that if WE take our discussion slow, then we will both clearly see what the other is claiming and why.    Sorry for any confusion.

Quote (Baker @ Dec. 27 2010,14:15)

1.  Is it possible for God to give life to a human being without the use of blood? with God everything is possible, is it likely no.  do you see any human body walking around without their blood?  No. second

Irene, why do you suppose Jesus wasn't bleeding all over the place?  After all, he had a massive wound in his side, possibly holes through his hands and feet, not to mention the cuts from the whip on his back and the holes from the thorns in his head.  

I realize though that your understanding of him being raise as a spirit would also answer these questions, so let's move on to the other points.

Quote (Baker @ Dec. 27 2010,14:15)

2.  Does scripture EVER say it was Jesus' BODY that was the sacrifice? this is what it says Mar 10:45   For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.   1Ti 2:5   For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;   1Ti 2:6   Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.   We do know that He came in the flesh right?  So then does these Scriptures apply to Jesus????I believe it does 1Cr 15:43   It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:   1Cr 15:44   It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.   1Cr 15:45   And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam [was made] a quickening spirit.   1Cr 15:46   Howbeit that [was] not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

Irene, not one of these scriptures say it was Jesus' BODY that was the sacrifice.  You do understand this, right?  I asked for scriptures that say Jesus' BODY was the sacrifice, and you have given none.  There are many that say his life and his blood were sacrificed, but none that say his BODY was sacrificed.  And I've shown you this one:

Leviticus 17:11
For the life of a creature is in the blood, and I have given it to you to make atonement for yourselves on the altar; it is the blood that makes atonement for one’s life.

As far as 1 Cor 15:46, Jesus was raised…….TO HEAVEN………in a spiritual body.  Do you have any reason to believe from this scripture that Jesus couldn't possibly have been raised first in his body that died after his blood was poured out as a sacrifice?

Don't forget that Jesus told his disciples he was NOT a spirit.  You don't think Jesus lied, do you?

peace and love,
mike

[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 28 2010,01:14)

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 27 2010,14:17) Quote (shimmer @ Dec. 25 2010,20:07) Hi Ed. So, do you believe Jesus was risen in the flesh or Spirit ? A simple yes or no will do, thanks.       Yes; um a, I mean No;   …hey wait a minute, this question can't be answered yes or no! Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 26 2010,05:05) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 25 2010,21:50) A simple yes or no will NOT do! Your question cannot be answered with a yes or a no? Hi Ed, I thought the same thing when I saw Shimmer's post.     But we all know what she meant, right?  She's looking for a DIRECT answer to her question, not more of your numbers I think.   peace and love, mike Hi Mike, Yes; you see what I mean. Are you denying that you were agreeing with me? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Hi Ed, I think you should answer her question even though she made a slip and it's not a YES or NO question. So…………what's your answer?  Mine is: FLESH mike

Mike………….This can be answered in a simple YES or NO and the answer is YES , Jesus was resurrected up in a (Flesh) and Bone BODY. But (Mystery) religion would cause you to try to qualify that simple answer right. Much like the Gnostic's who would say he only appeared as a flesh being but really was a spirit body. IMO

peace and love………………………..gene

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 28 2010,01:29)

JA………..This i agree with you on Celestial means heaven (ly) bodies like the moon, sun and stars. Terrestrial comes from the word (Terra)  meaning  Earth or dirt, land., I have been through this before with Irene and she just does not understand it and it appears Mike and Terreicca also do not. So in this you are right about them.

No Gene,

He was NOT right, and neither are you about this.  First, I showed him the definition of “celestial” from Dictionary.com that listed “invisible heavenly BEINGS” as one of the definitions.  Then, Irene listed Miriam Webster's Dictionary that had the same listing.  Then, I Googled it at his request, and posted 4 listings from the very first Google page that listed “angels” and “invisible heavenly BEINGS” in their definition.

THEN, I challenged him to find ONE source that did NOT list invisible beings in their definition of “celestial”, and instead of doing it, he just pretended that he couldn't see all that research that I took the time to post – and went back to posting the same things about Google all over again.

How do you argue against someone like that Gene?  He says Google doesn't have it, I showed him it does, he ignores that and reposts that Google doesn't have it.  

It's similar to arguing John 1:14 with you Gene.  No matter what we say, you INSIST that the words “came to be IN” are in the text when they are NOT.  You just can't logically argue against someone who won't accept the truth when it's shown to them.

mike

[Baker]

Quote (shimmer @ Dec. 27 2010,17:48)

Jay,

Mike! I agree with you 100% that should never happen as a Christian…..I even disagree with Georg on that….i love Him, but to me that is going to far…..I am so glad you did what you did with JA. Knowing t8 He too will agree with you IMO
Peace and Love Irene

[GeneBalthrop]

Mike ………..Are you changing you views now , it seem you are, by now saying Jesus was raised in a flesh body and went to heaven in that body , not a spirit body. as you used to claim. Mike nothing can exist outside of a body as a (BEING) except spirits (intellects) AND GOD WHO IS A SPIRIT, who can live inside a Body or outside of One AS ALL SPIRIT CAN. GOD live vicariously (IN) HIS Creation. The big question is what (KIND) of SPIRIT (intellect) is working (IN) a Persons BODY. Not that the person is a SPIRIT body. IMO

peace and love…………………………………..gene

[Baker]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 28 2010,01:39)

Hi Irene, Just to be clear, the “baby steps” was not meant to imply YOU needed to go slow.  It meant that if WE take our discussion slow, then we will both clearly see what the other is claiming and why.    Sorry for any confusion. Quote (Baker @ Dec. 27 2010,14:15) 1.  Is it possible for God to give life to a human being without the use of blood? with God everything is possible, is it likely no.  do you see any human body walking around without their blood?  No. second Irene, why do you suppose Jesus wasn't bleeding all over the place?  After all, he had a massive wound in his side, possibly holes through his hands and feet, not to mention the cuts from the whip on his back and the holes from the thorns in his head.   I realize though that your understanding of him being raise as a spirit would also answer these questions, so let's move on to the other points. Quote (Baker @ Dec. 27 2010,14:15) 2.  Does scripture EVER say it was Jesus' BODY that was the sacrifice? this is what it says Mar 10:45   For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.   1Ti 2:5   For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;   1Ti 2:6   Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.   We do know that He came in the flesh right?  So then does these Scriptures apply to Jesus????I believe it does 1Cr 15:43   It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:   1Cr 15:44   It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.   1Cr 15:45   And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam [was made] a quickening spirit.   1Cr 15:46   Howbeit that [was] not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. Irene, not one of these scriptures say it was Jesus' BODY that was the sacrifice.  You do understand this, right?  I asked for scriptures that say Jesus' BODY was the sacrifice, and you have given none.  There are many that say his life and his blood were sacrificed, but none that say his BODY was sacrificed.  And I've shown you this one: Leviticus 17:11 For the life of a creature is in the blood, and I have given it to you to make atonement for yourselves on the altar; it is the blood that makes atonement for one’s life. As far as 1 Cor 15:46, Jesus was raised…….TO HEAVEN………in a spiritual body.  Do you have any reason to believe from this scripture that Jesus couldn't possibly have been raised first in his body that died after his blood was poured out as a sacrifice? Don't forget that Jesus told his disciples he was NOT a spirit.  You don't think Jesus lied, do you? peace and love, mike

Mike! I don't think we will agree on thjis, so lets leave it at that. We both agree that Jesus is in heaven as a Spiritual Body now, and that is more important. Agree???
Peace and love Irene

[Baker]

Quote (JustAskin @ Dec. 27 2010,16:38)

chorus: “Oh, does any one wonder, are any of them right*”                                  *(In the head?) “How do any of them get sleep at night” “Unrighteous misleading, truth deceiving” “Hiding from perfect light”

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 28 2010,02:02)

Mike ………..Are you changing you views now , it seem you are, by now saying Jesus was raised in a flesh body and went to heaven in that body , not a spirit body. as you used to claim.

Hi Gene,

You're half right Gene. I believe that Jesus was raised in the same flesh body he died in. I believe his “lowly flesh body” was then transformed into his glorious new spirtual body upon his ascension into heaven.

mike

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Baker @ Dec. 28 2010,02:06)

Mike! I don't think we will agree on thjis, so lets leave it at that. We both agree that Jesus is in heaven as a Spiritual Body now, and that is more important. Agree??? Peace and love Irene

Agreed!

[terraricca]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 28 2010,08:39)

Hi Irene, Just to be clear, the “baby steps” was not meant to imply YOU needed to go slow.  It meant that if WE take our discussion slow, then we will both clearly see what the other is claiming and why.    Sorry for any confusion. Quote (Baker @ Dec. 27 2010,14:15) 1.  Is it possible for God to give life to a human being without the use of blood? with God everything is possible, is it likely no.  do you see any human body walking around without their blood?  No. second Irene, why do you suppose Jesus wasn't bleeding all over the place?  After all, he had a massive wound in his side, possibly holes through his hands and feet, not to mention the cuts from the whip on his back and the holes from the thorns in his head.   I realize though that your understanding of him being raise as a spirit would also answer these questions, so let's move on to the other points. Quote (Baker @ Dec. 27 2010,14:15) 2.  Does scripture EVER say it was Jesus' BODY that was the sacrifice? this is what it says Mar 10:45   For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.   1Ti 2:5   For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;   1Ti 2:6   Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.   We do know that He came in the flesh right?  So then does these Scriptures apply to Jesus????I believe it does 1Cr 15:43   It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:   1Cr 15:44   It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.   1Cr 15:45   And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam [was made] a quickening spirit.   1Cr 15:46   Howbeit that [was] not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. Irene, not one of these scriptures say it was Jesus' BODY that was the sacrifice.  You do understand this, right?  I asked for scriptures that say Jesus' BODY was the sacrifice, and you have given none.  There are many that say his life and his blood were sacrificed, but none that say his BODY was sacrificed.  And I've shown you this one: Leviticus 17:11 For the life of a creature is in the blood, and I have given it to you to make atonement for yourselves on the altar; it is the blood that makes atonement for one’s life. As far as 1 Cor 15:46, Jesus was raised…….TO HEAVEN………in a spiritual body.  Do you have any reason to believe from this scripture that Jesus couldn't possibly have been raised first in his body that died after his blood was poured out as a sacrifice? Don't forget that Jesus told his disciples he was NOT a spirit.  You don't think Jesus lied, do you? peace and love, mike

Mike

Lk 22:19 And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.”

Ro 7:4 So, my brothers, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit to God.

1Co 10:16 Is not the cup of thanksgiving for which we give thanks a participation in the blood of Christ? And is not the bread that we break a participation in the body of Christ?
1Co 10:17 Because there is one loaf, we, who are many, are one body, for we all partake of the one loaf.

1Co 11:27 Therefore, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord.
1Co 11:29 For anyone who eats and drinks without recognizing the body of the Lord eats and drinks judgment on himself.

1Co 15:35 But someone may ask, “How are the dead raised? With what kind of body will they come?”
1Co 15:37 When you sow, you do not plant the body that will be, but just a seed, perhaps of wheat or of something else.
1Co 15:38 But God gives it a body as he has determined, and to each kind of seed he gives its own body.

1Co 15:42 So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable;
1Co 15:44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.
If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.

2Co 5:8 We are confident, I say, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord.
2Co 5:9 So we make it our goal to please him, whether we are at home in the body or away from it.

2Co 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive what is due him for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.

this gives some guidance

Pierre

[mikeboll64]

Hey Pierre,

Good scriptures.  I'll have to look into them and get back to you.  I heading off on a road trip to California right now.  Please pray for a safe journey and return.    Btw, I finished Revelation.  So now I've read the NWT, NIV, and CEV.  I bought a NASB yesterday and can't wait to get on the beach and start all over again for time #4!

peace and love,
mike

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