Do spirits have bodies?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 25 2010,05:28)

Mike……….You could not be more Wrong, as you are about other things , My Dad was a Baptist and then left that church and believed (but never joined) the WWCOG , Both of those churches believed in the Preexistence of Jesus,

Ahhhhhh. So your Dad had it right all along, and you just wouldn't listen to him? I see.

mike

[mikeboll64]

Quote (JustAskin @ Dec. 25 2010,05:56)

Mike, What is a 'Spiritual body'.

Asked and answered very clearly and completely by me about 15 pages ago.  Go look it up, I'm tired of repeating myself to you when I know you still won't comment on the actual points in my post even if I did post it all for you again.

miike

[mikeboll64]

Quote (shimmer @ Dec. 25 2010,06:03)

I Knew you were too weak, I knew you never believed what you said earlier, and I knew you followed man.

Hi Shimmer,

I believe that Jesus was raised in a flesh body.  I'm not sure if it was the SAME body he died in yet, and I stated this thought a month ago in this thread.  And I hope to be addressing Georg and David and Irene on their thoughts that it MUST have been a new body, because I don't agree with that.  That's why I asked for Georg's understanding before moving on.  I have also been arguing against Pierre's similar understanding for a week now, scripture versus scripture.

And I am not ashamed to admit these folks are scriptually very knowledgable.  And because I know they are, I will gladly listen to their points before just saying, “You're wrong and I'm right”.

Quote (shimmer @ Dec. 25 2010,06:03)

Are you trying to start up some kind of cult here Mike ? Well, good luck to you and your few followers…or are you following them ?

Did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed?  This isn't like you.

peace and love,
mike

[JustAskin]

Hi Mike,

Glad to see you are relenting…good.

Anyway it comes.

Wouldn't it have been much easier just to have done so from the start…?

Oh, ok…you had to 'put your hand into the holes' in your arguments before you could realise that they were real…

Now, just one more step…
Mike, 'Spiritual' does not mean 'Spirit'.

'Spiritual Body'…is not 'Spirit Body'.

I see you never address my point…any reason why? (p.s. I know why…)

[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 25 2010,06:27)

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 25 2010,05:28) Mike……….You could not be more Wrong,  as you are about other things , My Dad was a Baptist and then left that church and believed (but never joined) the WWCOG , Both of those churches believed in the Preexistence of Jesus, Ahhhhhh.  So your Dad had it right all along, and you just wouldn't listen to him?  I see. mike

Mike……… Alsways trying to throw the bad light, interesting as you change your O I sees as you go along but fail to get the point you did not know what you were talking about in the FIRST PLACE, why fail to admit that Mike, is it to embarrassing to admit you wrong. Let me hep you, (HEY MIKE YOUR WERE (TOTALLY) WRONG), this is the problem we have with you about scripture and you say we have not answered your questions is completely dishonest of your , as Martian has said already said . I have seen many many answer you and you still say the same thing , is that because you can't see the answer to your posts, at lest that is the way it appears. IMO

peace and love…………………………gene

[JustAskin]

Mike,
Your post to Shimmer..shimmer's post to you… Shows how the 'spinner' (that's you, Mike) can make even a Saint sin…

And…why would you BE 'Ashamed' to say that Pierre and Irene are 'Spiritually very knowledgeable'.

Why did you say that? Were you thinking of saying otherwise…

So, Mike, when you lead Irene and Terra to speak against me, did you feel that Pierre and Irene were 'Scripturally very knowledgeable' then?
Because, both of them are now speaking counter to what you said…I see you are now following them…

Hmmm…didn't Scriptures mention something about 'the Blind following the Blind…'

[shimmer]

Mike you were weak in your defence to the others that Jesus was risen in the flesh and I felt that day's ago.  Your too weak Mike, you follow people here , you see where you don't understand is that GENE although he has errors, his spirit is good. God judges the intentions of the heart more than anything. God knows our hearts and confusion is forgiven. Gene through all of his (sorry Gene) confusion over things like pre-existance… look for the truth which he speaks… But you are missing that. Being scriptually sharp …ok,  you disagree with the Trinity well there are millions of scriptually sharp people who could defend the Trinity etc. I myself listen for the spirit in things. Or the spirit people can show me in real life or on forums. Watch because a good lie always appears to be 99% truth. Dont worry what others think of you.

What does it say in scripture Mike Jeremiah 17:5 ““Cursed is the man who trusts in man and makes flesh his strength, whose heart turns away from the LORD”.

Merry Christmas to anyone who follows it too !

[mikeboll64]

Quote (JustAskin @ Dec. 25 2010,06:54)

Now, just one more step… Mike, 'Spiritual' does not mean 'Spirit'. 'Spiritual Body'…is not 'Spirit Body'. I see you never address my point…any reason why? (p.s. I know why…)

Page 88, 4th post from top.  Like I said in my last post to you:

Asked and answered about 15 pages ago.

mike

[mikeboll64]

Quote (shimmer @ Dec. 25 2010,07:06)

Mike you were weak in your defence to the others that Jesus was risen in the flesh and I felt that day's ago.  Your too weak Mike, you follow people here

Watch yourself Shimmer.  You are crossing over into JA territory here.  Is that the person you want to be on HN?  

You felt MY responses were weak?  I'm giving them the opportunity to show me scriptures that MIGHT prove me wrong.  They haven't yet, and I've only just begun to whip out my scriptures.  Like I told you when I was debating against your hero JA, I've got back up scriptures to my backup scriptures.  And when I get their responses to my posts to Georg and Irene, I can move forward.  

Now what about YOUR response?  David layed it all out for you very competently, complete with scriptural support.  And you RAN AWAY!  You didn't even bother to attempt to answer his points.  Neither did Gene.  He just posted the same tired crap that he's been posting for years here.  

Shimmer, take my advice.  Instead of forming an alliance with Gene and JA, you should distance yourself from them.  They both speak unscripturally on many matters, and they are both more interested in belittling and insulting others than they are discussing the actual scriptures.  In fact, they both regularly CHANGE the scriptures to form them around their understanding.  You have so far picked up the insult behavior.  Quick, run away before you start adding words into the scriptures to make yourself be right at the expense of the scriptures themselves!  

peace and love,
mike

[mikeboll64]

Quote (shimmer @ Dec. 25 2010,07:06)

What does it say in scripture Mike Jeremiah 17:5 ““Cursed is the man who trusts in man and makes flesh his strength, whose heart turns away from the LORD”.

Remember that scripture the next time you're quoting Mr. Pyles and the early church fathers and the shepherd of Hermas, etc.

mike

[kerwin]

To all,

Isn't the kingdom of God, aka kingdom of heaven, all that is not in rebellion to God whether it is heaven or earth?

Satan is currently in authority over this world and thus it is subject to corruption.

Scripture also states Jesus is King of both heaven and earth.

How can both have authority over this world?

[JustAskin]

Mikeboll,

Show me ONE Scripture that I have changed?

I guarantee you will post NONE that are credible…

And Mike, why not just answer the questions instead of pointing to what you thought 20 posts ago, because what you thought then, is not what you think now.

Are you afraid to post what you think now, for want of exposing your changed idiom.

And don't say you haven't changed…you admit you are having second thoughts and even now following Irene and Terra…

Oh, i see, you are following the crowd…safety in numbers, over safety in truth….bad boy, Manic Mike.

[JustAskin]

Mike,

What is a Spiritual body?
What is a Spirit body?

And what is the fdefinition of a Spirit?
And what is the definition of a body?

[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (JustAskin @ Dec. 25 2010,06:54)

Hi Mike, Glad to see you are relenting…good. Anyway it comes. Wouldn't it have been much easier just to have done so from the start…? Oh, ok…you had to 'put your hand into the holes' in your arguments before you could realise that they were real… Now, just one more step… Mike, 'Spiritual' does not mean 'Spirit'. 'Spiritual Body'…is not 'Spirit Body'. I see you never address my point…any reason why? (p.s. I know why…)

To All………here is something to chew on.

Matt 12:28 But if i cast out the devils by the Spirit if GOD, then the kingdom, of God has come unto you.

Now was Jesus saying by the Body of GOD or SPIRIT of GOD? ,  And was the Kingdom of GOD (IN) Jesus and was he bringing it unto them?  And was Jesus flesh and Blood yes, so can flesh and blood be in the kingdom of GOD  YES Jesus was wasn't He?

Luk 11:13….> If you then being evil know how to give good gifts unto your childern, how much more shall your heavenly Father give the HOLY Spirit to them that ask him?

Now is God giving them a “holy body” as Mike thinks or Spirit (intellect). Which has no body?

Rom 8:9………> But you are not (IN) the flesh, but (IN) the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of GOD (DWELLS) (IN) YOU. Now if any (MAN) (that is a flesh body being)  Have not the Spirit of Christ (the anointing) He is None of His.

So those who Paul was talking to were really not (IN) Flesh Bodies according to some they were in Spirit bodies right? because a Spirit is a body, called a “Spirit body” right?. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Rom 8:10 ….> And if Christ (the anointing) Be (IN) you, the Body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit  is life because or righteousness. 11…..> (But),(if) the Spirit of HIM who raised up Jesus from the DEAD , DWELL (IN) you, He that raised up Christ from the (DEAD) shall (ALSO) QUICKEN (bring back to life) YOU (MORTAL) (BODIES)  buy his Spirit the DWELLS (IN) you.

Does any one here get that?.

Spirit is not A (mortal body), spirit can not die it goes back to who gave it at death, it separates from the body and you no longer exist as a living being until a Body is created for you and Spirit is placed back into it. :”FOR GOD GIVE T EACH A (BODY) OF ITS OWN”, And you will become a LIVING BEING AGAIN> God is the only one who can exist out side of a body in all creation because he (IS) Spirit He is not A Spirit BODY but Spirit and can and does INDWELL ALL, He was truly (IN) Jesus and cohabiting with Him in his Body but Jesus could not continue to live with out a body now or ever could and So GOD raised Him up with a body and all who attain to the (resurrection) will also have flesh Bodies with Spirit (IN) them . Just as they have now but bodies that can never dies because of the life producing Spirit (IN) them. It's all about getting a new BODY not about loving without a BODY and that body is Physical the same as Jesus' body is Physical, but spiritually, Holy Spirt driven and animated.  

peace and love to you all…………………………gene

[Baker]

Quote (JustAskin @ Dec. 25 2010,05:56)

Mike, What is a 'Spiritual body'. Mike, if the local Pastor adopts me into his faith, does he become my Spiritual Father? Is he a physical Father, gave birth to me…no! Is he, then, a Spirit Father?…how is he 'in the Spirit' and still a man? Mike, does the Holy Spirit have a body?

Why do you think it is called a “spirit” body? spirit means, invisible, so how do you go about describing something you can't see.

Yes, the Holy Spirit has a body, the Father.

Georg

[mikeboll64]

Quote (JustAskin @ Dec. 25 2010,08:11)

Mike, What is a Spiritual body? What is a Spirit body? And what is the fdefinition of a Spirit? And what is the definition of a body?

Once again JA, this is the definition of “pneumatikos”, which we translate as “spiritual” in English:

1) relating to the human spirit, or rational soul, as part of the man
which is akin to God and serves as his instrument or organ
  1a) that which possesses the nature of the rational soul
2) belonging to a spirit, or a being higher than man but inferior to God
3) belonging to the Divine Spirit
  3a) of God the Holy Spirit
  3b) one who is filled with and governed by the Spirit of God
4) pertaining to the wind or breath; windy, exposed to the wind, blowing

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE read defintion #2 JA.  A “spiritual body” is a body BELONGING TO A SPIRIT in the case of 1 Cor 15.

These definitions are based on the meanings of the words AS USED IN SCRIPTURE.  If not 1 Cor 15, then YOU tell ME which mention of “spiritual” in the scriptures has the definition of “BELONGING TO A SPIRIT”.

And in my post on page 88, which I made SPECIFICALLY to answer a direct post from you, I went through some scriptures in which definiton #1 would apply and some others in which definition #2 would apply.  But not only have you ignored my original post, but you won't even look at it now.  Why should I even bother posting responses to your assinine comments?

I will answer no more of your questions until you man up and answer my posts.  You are a waste of my time JA.  You are a child in an adult conversation.

mike

[Baker]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 25 2010,08:32)

Quote (JustAskin @ Dec. 25 2010,06:54) Hi Mike, Glad to see you are relenting…good. Anyway it comes. Wouldn't it have been much easier just to have done so from the start…? Oh, ok…you had to 'put your hand into the holes' in your arguments before you could realise that they were real… Now, just one more step… Mike, 'Spiritual' does not mean 'Spirit'. 'Spiritual Body'…is not 'Spirit Body'. I see you never address my point…any reason why? (p.s. I know why…) To All………here is something to chew on. Matt 12:28 But if i cast out the devils by the Spirit if GOD, then the kingdom, of God has come unto you. Now was Jesus saying by the Body of GOD or SPIRIT of GOD? ,  And was the Kingdom of GOD (IN) Jesus and was he bringing it unto them?  And was Jesus flesh and Blood yes, so can flesh and blood be in the kingdom of GOD  YES Jesus was wasn't He? Luk 11:13….> If you then being evil know how to give good gifts unto your childern, how much more shall your heavenly Father give the HOLY Spirit to them that ask him? Now is God giving them a “holy body” as Mike thinks or Spirit (intellect). Which has no body? Rom 8:9………> But you are not (IN) the flesh, but (IN) the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of GOD (DWELLS) (IN) YOU. Now if any (MAN) (that is a flesh body being)  Have not the Spirit of Christ (the anointing) He is None of His. So those who Paul was talking to were really not (IN) Flesh Bodies according to some they were in Spirit bodies right? because a Spirit is a body, called a “Spirit body” right?. Nothing could be further from the truth. Rom 8:10 ….> And if Christ (the anointing) Be (IN) you, the Body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit  is life because or righteousness. 11…..> (But),(if) the Spirit of HIM who raised up Jesus from the DEAD , DWELL (IN) you, He that raised up Christ from the (DEAD) shall (ALSO) QUICKEN (bring back to life) YOU (MORTAL) (BODIES)  buy his Spirit the DWELLS (IN) you. Does any one here get that?. Spirit is not A (mortal body), spirit can not die it goes back to who gave it at death, it separates from the body and you no longer exist as a living being until a Body is created for you and Spirit is placed back into it. :”FOR GOD GIVE T EACH A (BODY) OF ITS OWN”, And you will become a LIVING BEING AGAIN> God is the only one who can exist out side of a body in all creation because he (IS) Spirit He is not A Spirit BODY but Spirit and can and does INDWELL ALL, He was truly (IN) Jesus and cohabiting with Him in his Body but Jesus could not continue to live with out a body now or ever could and So GOD raised Him up with a body and all who attain to the (resurrection) will also have flesh Bodies with Spirit (IN) them . Just as they have now but bodies that can never dies because of the life producing Spirit (IN) them. It's all about getting a new BODY not about loving without a BODY and that body is Physical the same as Jesus' body is Physical, but spiritually drive and animated.   peace and love to you all…………………………gene

You certainly are a butcher of scriptures.

Georg

[shimmer]

2 John 1:7 Young's Literal Translation
Because many leading astray did enter into the world, who are not confessing Jesus Christ coming in flesh; this one is he who is leading astray, and the antichrist.

http://bible.cc/2_john/1-7.htm

Is come (ἐρχόμενον)

Wrong. The verb is in the present participle, coming, which describes the manhood of Christ as still being manifested. See on 1 John 3:5. In 1 John 4:2  we have the manifestation treated as a past fact by the perfect tense, ἐληλυθο.τα has come. Rev., that Jesus Christ cometh. So in 1 Thessalonians 1:10,  τῆς ὀργῆς τῆς ἐρχομένης is the wrath which is coming; which has already begun its movement and is advancing: not merely, as A.V., the wrath to come,  which makes it wholly a future event. See on lingereth, 2 Peter 2:3.

An antichrist (ὁ ἀντίχριστος)

Confess not . Jesus . in the flesh-the token of Antichrist.

Is come-Greek, “coming.” He who denies Christ's coming in the flesh, denies the possibility of the incarnation; he who denies that he has come, denies its  actuality. They denied the possibility of a Messiah's appearing, or coming, in the flesh [Neander]. I think the Greek present participle implies both the  first and the second advent of Christ. He is often elsewhere called the Coming One (Greek), Mt 11:3; Heb 10:37. The denial of the reality of His  manifestation in the flesh, at His first coming, and of His personal advent again, constitutes Antichrist. “The world turns away from God and Christ,  busily intent upon its own husks; but to OPPOSE God and Christ is of the leaven of Satan” [Bengel].

We must show kindness and a good spirit to those who differ from us in lesser matters, but hold firmly the all-important doctrines of Christ's person,  atonement, and holy salvation.

[shimmer]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 25 2010,09:21)

Quote (shimmer @ Dec. 25 2010,07:06) Mike you were weak in your defence to the others that Jesus was risen in the flesh and I felt that day's ago.  Your too weak Mike, you follow people here Watch yourself Shimmer.  You are crossing over into JA territory here.  Is that the person you want to be on HN?   You felt MY responses were weak?  I'm giving them the opportunity to show me scriptures that MIGHT prove me wrong.  They haven't yet, and I've only just begun to whip out my scriptures.  Like I told you when I was debating against your hero JA, I've got back up scriptures to my backup scriptures.  And when I get their responses to my posts to Georg and Irene, I can move forward.   Now what about YOUR response?  David layed it all out for you very competently, complete with scriptural support.  And you RAN AWAY!  You didn't even bother to attempt to answer his points.  Neither did Gene.  He just posted the same tired crap that he's been posting for years here.   Shimmer, take my advice.  Instead of forming an alliance with Gene and JA, you should distance yourself from them.  They both speak unscripturally on many matters, and they are both more interested in belittling and insulting others than they are discussing the actual scriptures.  In fact, they both regularly CHANGE the scriptures to form them around their understanding.  You have so far picked up the insult behavior.  Quick, run away before you start adding words into the scriptures to make yourself be right at the expense of the scriptures themselves!   peace and love, mike

Mike you are doing ok but you fear them. You fear looking bad. If you followed the Lord, then you would have no fear of what man thinks of you when you speak truth.

JA and Gene speak truth with this and I stand on their side with this. I will not deny truth no matter what man may do to me. One day soon you may be asked similar questions and you may have to face death for what you believe. I will face death. Because I believe. And likewise I don't care what anyone here thinks of me when it come's to this. I will say what I want and I will walk away when I want.  

Again, Merry Christmas.

[Baker]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 25 2010,06:22)

Quote (Irene @ Dec. 25 2010,05:34) Mike!  Since Scriptures say that first the earthly body and then the spiritual body, I would think Jesus was a spirit after His resurrection.   I agree with you since it is scriptural.  But the spiritual bodies Paul was talking about was the ones that would be received by those who are resurrected to heaven.  Only those would need a spiritual body because only those would become spirit beings.  But what of those meek who are resurrected to earth?  Do they need a spiritual body to live on earth? I agree that Jesus NOW has a spiritual body because he is now in God's Kingdom where flesh cannot enter.  But he also said that spirits don't have flesh and bone, as you see I have.  You say Jesus possibly “manifested” a flesh body for this purpose, but wouldn't that be a deception on his part?  He basically told them “I am not a spirit because you can see I have flesh and bones”.  If he WAS a spirit who just manifested a body, then it would have been dishonest to make them think he WASN'T a spirit, IMO. Quote (Irene @ Dec. 25 2010,05:34) And Georg agrees with me…He said how else would He been able to come into a room with locked doors? He walked on water and did many other things greater than coming into a locked room while he was flesh, right? Irene, I don't claim to know about this for a fact.  And I appreciate being able to discuss my differences in understanding in a mature and respectable way with people like you, Georg, Pierre, and David.  It is a far cry from the insults and ridicules I endure from others here.   peace and love, mike

Mike! Do you know what a ransom is? In order to be our Scarifies His body had to stay dead, and stay in the grave, because it was that body that took on our sins….
Only those that will come up in the first resurrection will be spirit beings. They will reign with Christ here on earth.

Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

The meek will inherit the earth in their flesh bodies….

Peace and love Irene

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