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Quote (shimmer @ Nov. 18 2010,11:20) Ed, the important thing is to only do things for others. And to obey God….true aye ? And also, your right, with God all things ARE possible !
Hi Shimmer, False!Matt.10:39 He that findeth his life shall lose it:
and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.Rom.10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and
going about to establish their own righteousness, have not
submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Lightenup @ Nov. 18 2010,10:40) Yes Mike,
I agree with that. How else could His presence come and go from the tabernacle in the desert, or how could He pass by Moses? How could He leave?
That's what I've been trying to say. I don't know the answers, but it seems logical that if God doesn't have some kind of “outer perimeter”, then everything is God all the time.Jesus says the angels of children see the face of God every day. A “face” is a part of a “body”, right? And if God was everywhere all the time, then what point was Jesus making? Because then EVERY angel would see the face of God at all times, right?
mike
Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 18 2010,11:43) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 18 2010,09:17) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 17 2010,17:11) Hi Mike, Life, my friend, life! …Not the dirt!
Could the verse be implying that the Father
is resident in the animals as well as every else?
OH! I understand now.
(1)Well Ed, here's how I see it. If the Father is resident IN the animals – or even people, then those animals and people would be at least as holy as the ark of the covenant. But only Levites could touch the ark, and Uzzah was killed by God just for trying to steady it so it didn't fall off the wagon.
(2)Wouldn't these birds be holy if God was IN them? Wouldn't one who touched those birds die?
mike
Hi Mike,1) As I have pointed to Stuart on numerous occasions,
what you reference was written by a scribe of the King,
NOT a Prophet of YHVH(63)! That's like getting truth from
Obama's press secretary. Or from the book of the Macabees.Necole Tesla sermonized that The Ark(63) acted like a giant capacitor.
Expelling large amounts of electrical type power in a single discharge.Notice how YHVH(63) explained to the Levitical Priesthood the correct
way of handling “The Ark”(63); using non-conductive wooden staves?2) Was Not God in Jesus? Did Jesus not die?
Did those who touched Jesus die?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi Ed,So the books of Kings and Chronicles and Ezra and others are not really the inspired words of God? Hmmmmm…….
And I couldn't care less about how a mere mortal human summarizes that the ark of the covenant “worked”.
And God filled His Son with His Spirit, not His own being Ed. The being of God the Father couldn't have literally been inside Jesus, or Jesus wouldn't have always looked to heaven and prayed to his Father IN HEAVEN.
mike
mike
Jude 1:17 But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold.
Jude 1:18 They said to you, “In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.”
Jude 1:19 These are the men who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit.
Jude 1:20 But you, dear friends, build yourselves up in your most holy faith and pray in the Holy Spirit.
Jude 1:21 Keep yourselves in God’s love as you wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to bring you to eternal life.
Jude 1:22 Be merciful to those who doubt;
Jude 1:23 snatch others from the fire and save them; to others show mercy, mixed with fear—hating even the clothing stained by corrupted flesh.Jude 1:24 To him who is able to keep you from falling and to present you before his glorious presence without fault and with great joy—
Jude 1:25 to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen.it is not easy brother,
Pierre
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 15 2010,02:24) Quote (seekingtruth @ Nov. 14 2010,15:55) God is spirit, an infinite being, invisible, yet the source of all power. I believe at the foundation of creation an extension of the Father the “pre-incarnate Christ” was manifested, not a seperate being, but God Himself. It served as the interactive part of God in the OT.
Hi Wm,Right off the bat, you are posting unscripturally. I've started a thread about spirits (including God) having “bodies”.
Let's continue our discussion there.
peace and love,
mikeBrother,
We both believe in the pre-existence of Christ so I assume my assertion of such is not included in my “unscriptural” statement.I posted plenty of scriptures under “Christ in old testament times” which show God; coming, going, meeting face to face, etc., so if I state based on these scripture that God must of manifested a body to do these appearances, how is it unscriptural?
All I've done is postulated by “connecting the dots” so to speak. The scriptures I've listed are the “dots” if there are other scriptures, “dots” missing, or if I've misinterpreted some scriptures, in essence misplacing a dot, then please show me as that would change the picture.
Otherwise please do not just state I was “unscriptural” without offering scripture to show why…
Thank you – Wm
Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 18 2010,13:49) Quote (shimmer @ Nov. 18 2010,11:20) Ed, the important thing is to only do things for others. And to obey God….true aye ? And also, your right, with God all things ARE possible !
Hi Shimmer, False!Matt.10:39 He that findeth his life shall lose it:
and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.Rom.10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and
going about to establish their own righteousness, have not
submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed. Hi. So whats the answer in your opinion?Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 18 2010,14:09) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 18 2010,11:43) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 18 2010,09:17) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 17 2010,17:11) Hi Mike, Life, my friend, life! …Not the dirt!
Could the verse be implying that the Father
is resident in the animals as well as every else?
OH! I understand now.(1)Well Ed, here's how I see it. If the Father is resident IN the animals – or even people, then those animals and people would be at least as holy as the ark of the covenant. But only Levites could touch the ark, and Uzzah was killed by God just for trying to steady it so it didn't fall off the wagon.
(2)Wouldn't these birds be holy if God was IN them? Wouldn't one who touched those birds die?
mike
Hi Mike,1) As I have pointed to Stuart on numerous occasions,
what you reference was written by a scribe of the King,
NOT a Prophet of YHVH(63)! That's like getting truth from
Obama's press secretary. Or from the book of the Macabees.Necole Tesla sermonized that The Ark(63) acted like a giant capacitor.
Expelling large amounts of electrical type power in a single discharge.Notice how YHVH(63) explained to the Levitical Priesthood the correct
way of handling “The Ark”(63); using non-conductive wooden staves?2) Was Not God in Jesus? Did Jesus not die?
Did those who touched Jesus die?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi Ed,So the books of Kings and Chronicles and Ezra and others are not really the inspired words of God? Hmmmmm…….
And I couldn't care less about how a mere mortal human summarizes that the ark of the covenant “worked”.
And God filled His Son with His Spirit, not His own being Ed. The being of God the Father couldn't have literally been inside Jesus, or Jesus wouldn't have always looked to heaven and prayed to his Father IN HEAVEN.
mike
Hi Mike,What are you talking about?
There's no mention of Uzzah in Ezra?
Do mistakes in Matt. make it uninspired too?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (shimmer @ Nov. 18 2010,16:58) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 18 2010,13:49) Quote (shimmer @ Nov. 18 2010,11:20) Ed, the important thing is to only do things for others. And to obey God….true aye ? And also, your right, with God all things ARE possible !
Hi Shimmer, False!Matt.10:39 He that findeth his life shall lose it:
and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.Rom.10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and
going about to establish their own righteousness, have not
submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed. Hi. So whats the answer in your opinion?
Hi Shimmer,Kill the 'ego', and live!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (shimmer @ Nov. 18 2010,17:11) Ed, can you answer in English, please….or why dont you start up a thread on this ?
Hi Shimmer,Rom 8:7 The carnal mind is enmity against God: for it
is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.Woyow!!!
Mikeboll is fallen to carnal mind.Mikboll says God has a FACE….like a human face, he thinks..
Please be warned.,. Let Mikboll be a warning to you all.
I used to hold Mikeboll as a brother, begotten brother…(Did i give birth to him? Did i procreate him? Yet i called him begotten, begotten 'brother', why 'brother', Adopted…brother,,,)
Now he is not…
Mikeboll's posts have been getting weirder and more carnal, flesh based, over the last few months…
He has been thinking, not in the Spirit, but in the flesh.
You cannot find the truth of God by the flesh.
And this is why Mikeboll has been struggling to reconcile any of his posts, starting with his great debate with KJ over begotten….which i told him, begged him, pleaded with him to change his mind because he was wrong, wrong, wrong….but he thought he would let no one beat him, not even the HIM, the one of Truth.
Yes, that post concerning Carnal, is so true.
Let it be seen by Mikeboll's farcical posts, how fall from grace make delusion look foolishly good.
Sad, so sad.
JA…I think your wrong there, think about it, he is one of the more stronger believers here, His beliefs are more the same as t8s and terrarica and Irenes,
JA, apologise, your being a bit too hard.
Mike Boll,
I wrote:
Quote I am not God but according to scripture I have my being within God. All of creation has its physical existence within God.
You wrote:
Quote Which scriptures please?
That is Acts 17:28 specifically but you should study the whole passage from verse 24 to verse 29 that describes God. It is informative.
JA, but you are right, people are guided first by the spirit, then the earthly mind takes over, returning to the spirit is the way.
Flesh and blood wont enter the kingdom…to get there you are right…..it is spiritual closeness with God…being a 'child' of God.Just Askin,
I am certain that a spiritual body is just like Jesus’ body during and after his resurrection in that is cannot be permanently harmed in any way and cannot die though it has a material present. This resulted in Jesus’ resurrection when he was transformed.
Any wound suffered can be healed or retained with no negative results. This explains Jesus not suffering from the wounds he bore after resurrection.
It is a body that can transfer between “dimensions” at the will of the person possessing it. This explains Jesus passing through walls and ascending to heaven.
Pierre,
Point 1:
I wrote:
Quote Anyone that has not been transformed to imperishable flesh has corrupt flesh.
I am speaking only of human beings. It is in 1 Corinthians 15-52-55.
Point 2:
I wrote:
Quote I only know of a few that have been so transformed and they all have free access to all the heavens.
That is Enoch, Genesis 5:24 and Elijah,2 Kings 2:1, before death and Mosses, Jude 1:9-10 and Matthew 17:3-4, after death. Angels appear to have free access to all the heavens, Job 1, so I see no reason to believe transformed humans would not.
Point 3 $ 4:
I wrote:
Quote Dead souls have access to Sheol/Hades which is said to be located in the third heaven.
Point 3:
Psalms 16 10 speaks of the soul of Jesus residing in Hades after his death and before his resurrection, i.e. the soul of the dead or dead soul.
Point 4:
The third heaven is mentioned in 2 Corinthians 12 and for the context I went to Jewish believes. The Jews believe in there are seven heavens after the number seven which represents perfect completion. Their teaching about the seven heaven is consistent with Paul’s reference to the Third heaven and close to Jesus’; promise that he would see the one thief in Paradise as well as the parable of the Rich man and Lazarus. Here is Wikipedia states about it. Wikipedia also addresses the here.
Paul obviously is teaching some variation of this teaching.
Point 5:
I wrote:
Quote He did clearly state it is possible to visit the third heaven while still in a corrupt body by indicting such was a possibility.
2 Corinthians 12:3. Paul clearly states the man could have entered the third heaven while either in his body or out of his body.
Pont 6
I wrote:
Quote I believe the Garden of Eden is a material place that God transferred to heaven between end of the Fall and the beginning of the Flood. It therefore will not be located on earth.
After the Fall the Garden was reachable for mankind but blocked by cherubim. The flood destroyed everything on earth. Paradise survived and thus was not on earth at that time. Paradise is now located in the third heaven.
Point 7
I wrote:
Quote I do believe the spiritual realms are extra-dimensional and thus invisible to us.
Extra-dimensional merely means originating outside our three dimensional reality. Some would state supernatural though even scientists have began to believe in such ideas. If you look at the story of Balaam and his ass, the angel was present even though Balaam could not see him. If the angel was extra dimensional then he would not be visible unless God gave the animal or human the ability to see extra dimensionally. Jesus passed through a wall after being resurrected and an extra dimensional human would have no problem doing so as the wall would not exist for them. The data thus justifies the word though it is a hypothetical application.
Ed J.
You wrote:
Quote 1) Speak for yourself; don't include me in on that!
God includes you and I am just repeating what I hear from scripture. Please study 1 Corinthians 15.
You wrote:
Quote 2) How long have you known them for?
I have no idea as they were introduced to me by the writers of scripture. You can meet them the same way by reading of Enoch, Elijah, and Mosses. The later’s ascension is mentioned in Jude when Satan disputed over the body with an archangel. He returned briefly with Elijah to speak with Jesus on a certain mountain.
You wrote:
Quote 3) How do you know this?
According to Job angels ascend to the highest heaven and elsewhere we are told of at least two prophets who visited the highest heaven in out of body experiences so I see no reason that those that are transformed would be restricted.[/quote]
You wrote:
Quote 4) Are you referring to the deceased?
Yes.
You wrote:Quote 5) I certainly didn't think he was.
So we agree on this point.
You wrote:
Quote 6) I reject your corrupt body!
That is the only kind of body an untransformed human being has according to 1 Corinthians 15.
You wrote:
Quote 7) This is an interesting concept; can you
explain how you derived at this conclusion?
8) What does this mean?I answer these two in my last post to Pierre. Technically the heavens can be on earth but they just occupy different dimensions. It is easier to treat them as occupying a different location.
You wrote:
Quote 9) Great! So do I!
This is another point we agree on.
Shimmer,
You said:
I believe a spiritual body can appear in the FORM of a human body.
Have you ever considered that there could be another of spiritual that did not mean immaterial? For instance spiritual in this case could be a synonym for supernatural, i.e. existing outside what we consider is the natural world. Look at Jesus’ resurrected body and it would fit that description as he had horrific wounds in the flesh but did not suffer or perish from them. We do not consider such as natural. So a spiritual being, or spirit for short, is merely a resident of another realm and an alien in our own much like a Mexican is a citizen of Mexico and a Russian is a citizen of Russia. So Jesus has a body much as he did when he walked our world but it has been transformed into a supernatural one with supernatural abilities such as being imperishable.
I have my doubts that the difference from the spiritual form and the worldly form is the blood because God stated that the blood is life.
To ALL…………Jesus has a (BODY) the one he was raised up with. All things that has life (in) it has spirit in it or it could not have life. The problem here is mixing up Spirit (intellect) with (IT) being, a BODY. GOD is Spirit and lives (IN) his creation. Jesus was not lying when he said the Father was (IN) Him. The question is how was he in him , Spirit (any) Spirit (intellect) Can Co-habit in anyone. Rather clean spirit or unclean spirit, rather good or evil, it can be added too or subtracted from or completely removed , you can be full of the Spirit of GOD or have just some of it, but all spirit (intellect) resides in the Mind. Therefore Spirit always involves the MIND. “Let this mind be in you as was in Christ Jesus or Lord”. And again if the SPIRIT (intellect) that was (IN) Christ be in you (IT) shall quicken your mortal (BODIES). God who (IS) Spirit (intellect) considers us temples He can Indwell and his (INTELLECT) is LIFE and can live (IN) US> Is anyone here getting this here.
peace and love to you all…………………………..gene
Kerwin,
You are one step closer to truth than the others.Only Jesus, at the time the Scriptures were written, had a Spiritual body.
Maybe, others now. We don't know the timescale of prophecy fully.
Maybe the Saints and Apostles are now, too.
But certainly, a flesh and blood body as Mikeboll believes cannot occupy the higher dimensions. That is impossible….and please, don't anyone try to 'test' God by saying ' nothing is impossible to God'….trying to make someone 'prove' something that is stupid…is not wise!! It's not 'impossible', just stupid.
Is Corinthians 15:~ tortuous to some?
What is not understood that the writer is saying that there are 'bodies' that are of Flesh and Blood which cannot occupy the heavenly realm, and, there are 'bodies' that are Spirits that are of the heavenly realm.Bodies, does not mean physical, but refers to like 'persons' or 'things'.
There are bodies, like the Sun, and bodies like the Stars, and earthly bodies like man, but even there, the bodies of mannis different to animals. The body of man has a spirit like of God, the animal does not, and likewise, there is a body, a Spirit in heaven, that is of God.
That 'body' which is of earth remains on earth. That which is of the earth and reborn of God will become spirit bodies in the heavens, no longer of the flesh.
Why is this hard to understand?
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