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Quote (JustAskin @ Dec. 06 2010,00:07) And Mikeboll, I've never seen a more abnoxious poster than yourself. You screw around with words so much you neither know if you are coming or going.
You are a blatant idiot.
Paul says 'Celestial bodies' that are Sun, moon and stars.
And earthly bodies, that are man, animals, fish and birds.
What are you saying…what drives you to such idiotic misrepresentations of perfectly clear text.
There is nothing that is spoken of as Angelic Spiritual bodies in all of that extract.
The reference to 'Spiritual bodies' is as i wrote to your brother in dillusional arms, Terrarica.[Godly] Man, in earthly body, will be [cleansed of sin and] raised in a glorious 'Spirit Body'…greater than the Angels, for Angels are only Spirit, but risen, godly man, will be both Spirit and flesh, existing as desired in Heaven as Spirit AND in recogniseable fleshly bodies when in earth.
Angels can only materialise temporary nondescript fleshly bodies when allowed to by God.Mike, right now, you looking like a right 'eejit', as the Irish say.
We shouldn't call people idiots, empty head, or whatever JA.If you feel that a person cannot understand what you are saying, then let it be. Jesus said many things that people didn't know what he was on about, but his most negative response was, “how long must I endure you”.
OK, he was harsh with the Pharisees to be sure, but I don't think he called them idiots.
But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, 'Raca,' is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell.
Irene,
This that you say is incorrect.
You too have fallen into the Mikeboll trap.
Paul clearly states two types of bodies. Terrestial bodies and Celestial bodies.
Terrestial bodies he lists as Man, Animals, Fish and Bird.
Celestial he lists as Sun, Moon, Stars.Where on earth or in Heaven do you see Angels and Spirits written.
What is going on in this forum?
Is it the season for dillusionment … and I missed the boat?
Further more, Paul then states what he means by 'body' in that Man is born into a fleshly body (Sown) and dies, like a seed,…but then, like a plant comes out of the seed, the Spirit Body of the manis raised up…this us the new creation of which Christ is the first.
Even if this 'proves' that a Man WILL be raised up to a Spirit Body, how does that say that Angel Spirits have bodies….an Angel are not a Man.
The Spiritual bodied Man is higher than the Angel Spirit.JA:
Quote You too have fallen into the Mikeboll trap.
The correct term for the “Mikeboll trap” that everyone but you has “fallen into” is SCRIPTURE JA.JA:
Quote and I missed the boat?
Yes JA. Yes you have missed the boat. But hey, knowing is half the battle, right?
peace and love,
mikeMike,
Twisting words as usual. Missed the boat…yes, i'm happy to gave missed the boat of dullusionment.
1Corinthians 5:3, says, 'For I indeed, as absent in the BODY but present in the Spirit, have already judged…'
Mike, tell me how the Spirit of Christ dwells in all of 'us'?
The Spirit has physical boundary, is what you say? How does the Holy Spirit of God dwell in all of us?Risen man in God, will judge Angels (1Cor 6:3)…which means they are higher than Angels, for Angels do not Judge Angels.
Quote (JustAskin @ Dec. 06 2010,08:57) Irene, This that you say is incorrect.
You too have fallen into the Mikeboll trap.
Paul clearly states two types of bodies. Terrestial bodies and Celestial bodies.
Terrestial bodies he lists as Man, Animals, Fish and Bird.
Celestial he lists as Sun, Moon, Stars.Where on earth or in Heaven do you see Angels and Spirits written.
What is going on in this forum?
Is it the season for dillusionment … and I missed the boat?
Further more, Paul then states what he means by 'body' in that Man is born into a fleshly body (Sown) and dies, like a seed,…but then, like a plant comes out of the seed, the Spirit Body of the manis raised up…this us the new creation of which Christ is the first.
Even if this 'proves' that a Man WILL be raised up to a Spirit Body, how does that say that Angel Spirits have bodies….an Angel are not a Man.
The Spiritual bodied Man is higher than the Angel Spirit.
JA Maybe you need to read and ask yourself what celestial bodies are, which you ignore……Scriptures explains it, yet you still are not wanting to acknowledge them…..to bad.,.,.There are earthly bodies and there are heavenly bodies………Who is in Heaven?
Peace IreneQuote (JustAskin @ Dec. 06 2010,16:55) Mike, Twisting words as usual. Missed the boat…yes, i'm happy to gave missed the boat of dullusionment.
1Corinthians 5:3, says, 'For I indeed, as absent in the BODY but present in the Spirit, have already judged…'
Mike, tell me how the Spirit of Christ dwells in all of 'us'?
The Spirit has physical boundary, is what you say? How does the Holy Spirit of God dwell in all of us?Risen man in God, will judge Angels (1Cor 6:3)…which means they are higher than Angels, for Angels do not Judge Angels.
JAread the scriptures;1Co 15:37 When you sow, you do not plant the body that will be, but just a seed, perhaps of wheat or of something else.
1Co 15:38 But God gives it a body as he has determined, and to each kind of seed he gives its own body.
1Co 15:39 All flesh is not the same: Men have one kind of flesh, animals have another, birds another and fish another.
1Co 15:40 There are also heavenly bodies and there are earthly bodies; but the splendor of the heavenly bodies is one kind, and the splendor of the earthly bodies is another.
1Co 15:41 The sun has one kind of splendor, the moon another and the stars another; and star differs from star in splendor.
1Co 15:42 So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable;
1Co 15:43 it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power;
1Co 15:44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.
If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.
1Co 15:45 So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being” ; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit.
1Co 15:46 The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual.
1Co 15:47 The first man was of the dust of the earth, the second man from heaven.
1Co 15:48 As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the man from heaven, so also are those who are of heaven.
1Co 15:49 And just as we have borne the likeness of the earthly man, so shall we bear the likeness of the man from heaven.
1Co 15:50 I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.
1Co 15:51 Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed—
1Co 15:52 in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.
1Co 15:53 For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality.
1Co 15:54 When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.”Pierre
Quote (JustAskin @ Dec. 06 2010,09:55) The Spirit has physical boundary, is what you say? How does the Holy Spirit of God dwell in all of us?
No JA, the real question is how does the Holy Spirit come to be in one person and not the other person who is standing side by side with that first person? THAT is the real question.mike
Listen JA, (I just noticed your initials could stand for a donkey/mule mix!
)You think that when those in the Bible have seen angels, the angels “manifested” themselves into a body that could be seen, right?
What if the angels always have those characteristics like wings and hands and faces, etc., and just for the moment humans were given the “eyes” to see into their dimension or whatever?
Like the army of fire that Elisha could see. What if they are always like that and Elisha was given the “eyes” to see them as they are, but his servant wasn't at first? And then when Elisha asked God, instead of an army of angels “manifesting” itself into forms, God just gave Elisha's servant the “eyes” to see into their realm for a moment? The same “eyes” that God had already given to Elisha.
mike
Also JA,
What do you think separates one angel from another? If you are standing before Michael and Gabriel, how do you know that? How do the other angels and God recognize that it's Michael before them and not Gabriel? And when they are standing side by side, what keeps them from “blending” together and forming one angel?
Face it JA. If there are two or more beings in existence, there have to be some kind of bodies that separate one being from the other(s). You have avoided this point in favor of slinging insults so far. Will you address it now?
mike
TO All………Spirit is (NOT) a BODY GOD does Not have a BODY, Spirit Dwells (IN) Bodies . That GOD may be through ALL and (IN) ALL. When we exist as living soul we have (BOTH) Spirit and a Body, we can not exist in any other way, GOD is pure Spirit and can and does exist (IN) Bodies as He was in Jesus he can exist in Us the same way. IMO
peace and love……………………………………gene
To All,
As far as I can remember angels always have a body of one sort or another in scripture. Does anyone know when that is not true?
Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 06 2010,23:08) To All, As far as I can remember angels always have a body of one sort or another in scripture. Does anyone know when that is not true?
Kerwinangels have a body,just like everything else,it does not matter the kind of body,
Pierre
Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 06 2010,16:08) To All, As far as I can remember angels always have a body of one sort or another in scripture. Does anyone know when that is not true?
With that I agree. There are celestial bodies and there are terrestrial bodies.1Cr 15:40 [There are] also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial [is] one, and the [glory] of the terrestrial [is] another.
1Cr 15:41 [There is] one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for [one] star differeth from [another] star in glory.
1Cr 15:42 So also [is] the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
1Cr 15:43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
1Cr 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
1Cr 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam [was made] a quickening spirit.
1Cr 15:46 Howbeit that [was] not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
1Cr 15:47 The first man [is] of the earth, earthy: the second man [is] the Lord from heaven.
1Cr 15:48 As [is] the earthy, such [are] they also that are earthy: and as [is] the heavenly, such [are] they also that are heavenly.
Peace Irene
To All……….The last (MAN) ADAM is a SPIRITUAL (MAN) meaning He is SPIRIT LEAD but he is Still a (MAN) and STILL HAS a (BODY) Just as Jesus had after His resurrection, A SPIRIT doe not have a BODY it is what is (IN) a Body, GOD who is SPIRIT was TRULY (IN) JESUS. Just as He said he was. Don't by into this invisible bodies floating around in space Mystery religion teachings. WE must all attain unto a (resurrection) “that Wittiness the redemption of our BODIES.” If you want to know what the resurrection will be go read the valley of dry bones in Ezekiel. A body must be reconstructed and life of the Spirit breathed back into those bodies as shown there. This is a picture of the resurrection , in fact it say it is the whole house of Israel , it shows GOD will bring them out of there graves and restore both a body and spirit back into them and they will become a living SOUL again> ONLY Mystery Pagan religion destorts that to a resurrection without a real body. IMO
peace and love…………………………………………….gene
Gene! You are sdenyung a plain Scripture
1Cr 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
Peace Irene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 06 2010,19:24) TO All………Spirit is (NOT) a BODY GOD does Not have a BODY, Spirit Dwells (IN) Bodies . That GOD may be through ALL and (IN) ALL. When we exist as living soul we have (BOTH) Spirit and a Body, we can not exist in any other way, GOD is pure Spirit and can and does exist (IN) Bodies as He was in Jesus he can exist in Us the same way. IMO peace and love……………………………………gene
geneyou do not understand God,nor the scriptures, his Word,
you are not interested to know his will ,because you have your own will,and views ,you do not care if they do not line up with God s word.
Pierre
Are you still on this subject ? haha.
I was reading a conversation about this on another forum. JustAskin and also Gene would have alot of support there. And they are just normal christians, including a few Catholics.
God is spirit. Angels are spirit, God is to be loved and worshipped Angels are not to be. That much is clear. God is INVISIBLE spirit. Thats clear. Angels are spirit too, whether they have body or form of anykind in Heaven is not truely known. They do have body and form when they appear to man on earth or in dreams……but in Heaven…..it doesnt really say.
If we love in spirit then it is spirit and has no form. The only form it has is felt. Feeling has no shape or form which is seeable with the eyes. Otherwise two people who love each other would be together in 'form' but it cant be for many people who are kept apart by distance.
Faith is believing in that which is NOT seen. ('Blessed are those who have not seen yet believe').
Noah and his family were the ONLY rightoeus ones found on earth at the time of the flood. Did Noah believe God and Angels had body or form ? Theres a question. “It was with faith that He was saved”
Gene:
Quote TO All………Spirit is (NOT) a BODY GOD does Not have a BODY, Spirit Dwells (IN) Bodies .
Hi Gene. You have a conundrum going, because you agree that angels do have bodies, but you don't believe that angels ARE spirits. Scripture says they are.Gene:
Quote To All……….The last (MAN) ADAM is a SPIRITUAL (MAN) meaning He is SPIRIT LEAD but he is Still a (MAN) and STILL HAS a (BODY)
The same conundrum exists here Gene. You say Jesus has a body, but you don't believe that Jesus is a life-giving spirit. Scripture says he is.Are we allowed to just pick and choose the scriptures we want to believe Gene? Or should we believe all of them and base our understanding around all of them?
You like to think that Jesus is still a human being also, don't you? But scripture says flesh and blood cannot inherit God's Kingdom. Scripture says Jesus is a spirit now. And Paul says in Galatians 1, “11 I want you to know, brothers and sisters, that the gospel I preached is not of human origin. 12 I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ. “
Paul received the gospel from Jesus Christ Gene. But not from a HUMAN. Do you see the dilemmas that believing only some of the scriptures have caused for you? You are basing your whole understanding of scripture on only some of the scriptures. Try using all of the scriptures Gene. You might come up with a different, more reliable understanding.
peace and love,
mike
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