Do spirits have bodies?

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January 7, 2012 at 6:28 pm#271159

mikeboll64

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Please describe an Angel/Spirit and show where it has a body – should be simple, eh?

How about on the cover of the ark of the covenant? God actually described to Moses exactly how to represent these cherubim.

How about in Ezekiel, where he describes the angels with four wings, four faces, and human hands?

January 7, 2012 at 7:01 pm#271165

terraricca

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When God created man, he did not create him wearing clothes. This can open up a new topic of 'What does Scriptures mean when it says that God made clothes for Adam and Eve from animals. Could it mean that man was originally HAIRLESS – and the NAKEDNESS was simply that they were HAIRLESS. God then made it so hair grew on them like hair grows on animals and COVERED their nakedness. Why would Adam and Eve otherwise be ASHAMED of being physically naked when there are societies even today where people go around naked are unashamed. I would submit that it was not physical nakedness that shamed Adam and Eve.

this is out of my understanding,you made this up right ?

Pierre

January 7, 2012 at 7:07 pm#271168

terraricca

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Mike, Terraricca, how do you read: 'God is in the BODY of a Spirit' and,
'Jesus, being in the form of a Body' or,
'In the SHAPE of God'?

this is why it says form and not physical body ;but the form and the body are limit of a being ,

Pierre

January 7, 2012 at 11:06 pm#271199

GeneBalthrop

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To all……..> Morphing means changing from one state of 'EXISTENCE” To another STATE of “EXISTENCE” Like a Caterpillar Morph into a Butterfly, but Both have Bodies in either state of existence. There form changes but there substance does not change, they in either state are a Physical existence. Preexistence believe Jesus was a Morphed Being From an Angel to a Human Being. However they have NO SCRIPTURE THE EVEN HINT'S that is the case. So they desperately, as do the Trinitarians force Scripture to try to develop these false doctrines of theirs. They grab every Straw they can to build there critique the scriptures here a little and there a little , but never come up with a SPECIFIC DIRECT SCRIPTURE that meet their Dogmas.

This subject is one of the most important subject that any Christian could come to understand becasue it opens up all kind of Bible truths and gives soundness to many scriptures. It is definitely a KEY to understanding GOD'S word. Spirits do not have all kinds of Meanings, even though there are many different (TYPES) , Spirits act in the same way no matter what KIND or TYPE they are. IMO

Ask yourself how can God take out of your the stony hearts and give you a hearts of flesh (soft heart) , By simple removing some wrong Spirit and replacing them with right Spirit. A lepord can not change it's spots and a Ethopian His skin, but all thing are possible (WITH) GOD. And remember where it say

Even How Salvation works is tied up in understand What Spirit are and How they Work (IN) a Persons MIND. Again maintain Spirits not “Beings” they are attributes that and (IN) being and can effect all Beings they are (IN)> IMO Not by power or by might, but by my Spirit saith the Eternal God. WE are in many way very fortunate becasue GOD can remove wrong Spirit and replace it with right Spirit in all of Us, and give us new bodies also. There is nothing wrong with this wonderful world we live in it is absolutely perfect for us all to live and enjoy life in and will always be . The only thing wrong is wrong spirit effecting People and there hearts and minds, But thanks be to God he promises to deliver his whole creation from this bond of corruption that plague it at this time. I will forever be thankful to have a new Flesh Body with the right Spirits in it and enjoy this wonderful earth for ever. IMO

peace and love to you all…………………………………………….gene

January 7, 2012 at 11:36 pm#271202

mikeboll64

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Gene,

You aren't even able to understand that “spirit” in Luke 24:37 means “spirit BEING”. The clear facts are right there in front of you, yet you can't see it.

That causes a problem for you. Imagine that someone insisted that God was a jelly bean, no matter how many scriptures you showed them to the contrary. Would you then be interested in anything else that person has to say?

See what I mean? You have turned a blind eye to so many scriptural FACTS right in front of my own eyes that now, even though you might be saying something scripturally brilliant, I won't know it because I won't bother to read the posts of a man who so easily ignores clear scriptural teachings.

To me, you're like the boy who cried “Wolf!”. So now, even if you are actually saying something I might learn from, I won't read it because you have lost any credibility you might have had in my eyes.

And yes, I know you're going to say, “Who cares what you think, Mike?” But I'm not the only one who disregards you as learning disabled because of certain things you stubbornly insist upon just because you don't want to admit someone else was right. And it's sad Gene, because I actually learned things from you before I stopped reading your posts because of your lack of credibility.

Something to think about, Gene. If you are to be taken seriously about ALL subjects, then you can't allow yourself to seem foolish about ANY subject.

January 8, 2012 at 3:21 am#271229

toby

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 08 2012,04:26)

Quote (toby @ Jan. 06 2012,16:10)

For instance,
what use does an invisible Spirit of immense power and intellect have for a mouth, or an ear, or an eye, or hands and feet, a head, hair, nose, toes, etc?

And of what use are those things to us? Surely God could have created us to “mentally hear, smell, and see” the things around us. But would we enjoy the sounds of a babbling brook with birds chirping and the smell of the flowers as much? Would we enjoy artworks that were painted by another's “imagination” instead of by his own hands?

Face it, we don't even “need” these sensory organs, but God gave them to us for our pleasure.

If you were an angel, what would be more fun: Mentally thinking yourself to a distant planet, or spreading your wings and flying there, feeling the wind and the tickle in your belly?

Your thought that they don't have them because they don't need them leaves out the FUN and WONDERMENT of having them.

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Mike, I keep asking and you keep avoiding answering: What is your definition of a Body.

I have not noticed where you asked that question of me, but you have helped me with my answer:

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Ask then: What is the form of a Spirit. You cannot answer that any more than you can answer 'What is the form of a Gas'

It seems herein will lie the crux of our difference. If ever there is anything, (a spirit being, a human, gas, whatever), that is not everywhere at the same time, then there is an outer, limiting parameter that is distinguishing that the thing is HERE, while not being THERE. This, to me, is a body.

So if a train wrecks, and lethal gas from one of its cars is unleashed over California, even that gas has a body. If the gas is hovering over L.A., but hasn't yet reached San Diego, then there is a place where the gas IS, and a place where the gas ISN'T. The line between where it is and where it isn't is its body.

Had God not a body, then He would be everywhere and everything. I would be God, you would be God, etc. If angels had not a body, then they would be everywhere all the time. And scripture would not then mention angels coming and going from place to place.

Quote (toby @ Jan. 06 2012,16:10)

I think your (mis)representation of the use of these terms is the cause of why this thread has gone on so long.

This thread has gone on for so long because many different people are interested in this subject, and many different people have differing understandings about it. This thread has been a blessing for me in that I've been forced to delve deep into scripture for the support of what I've always just understood.

Now, the word “morphe” means “outward appearance”. How then am I “misrepresenting” the term if the term actually means the outward appearance of someone or something?

Hi Mikeboll64.

I notice you answered the question about Spirits with hands, feet, wings, etc… by talking about humans. The question was 'What would Spirits need them for… in the Invisible Spirit realm?' Why do Angels/Spirits need clothes? Carry a Sword to confront a human being? Need wings to move from one place to another? How do they appear from where-ever and disappear to where-ever?

Also, your description of Angels/Spirits – how is it then, that people who saw Angels/Spirits that had materialised into the physical world, could not 'initially' distinguish them from a normal human adult male?

Your description of Angels/Spirits does not tally with that given by others, in Scriptures:
Moses saw the Angel as burning Fire in a bush;
The Hebrews in the Wilderness saw the Angel (Jesus) as a Pillar of fire;
Mary mother of Jesus, Elizabeth, Peter in Prison, the Shepherds on the hillsid, Mary Magdelene at the Tomb, Abraham and Lot… they all saw Angels as looking like normal humans, but only later realised they were Spirits in human form.

And the reference to misrepresentation was directed at Terraricca.

Mikeboll64, I don't think you were serious with your answers about Angels/Spirits. Considering how long this thread has been going on, I would have thought you could answer with a little less humour that covers lack of knowledge.

For instance, why base your answers to Angels/Spirits – by reference to the physical world?

And I mentioned several times that Gene was forever giving his definition of Spirit, but you never said (That I saw), but just kept badgering him. If that wasn't explicit enough then at least you have now shown me where you get your weird idea of Body from, and why no one could understand what you were on about..

Something with a “body”, to you, is anything that has a limiting boundary that separates it from other things…Well, that is certainly true for the physical world. And this explains why you cannot elevate yourself to the Spirit level. Spirit, as Gene says, is what is in a body of a living being (in the physical world).

The Body of the entity (Man, Animal, Fish, Bird) provides the container (The limiting boundary) for the Spirit.

Did each of the Spirits inside the mad man at the cave have bodies inside the man? How was there a Legion of Spirits inside the man? What did these Spirits look like (No description is given, they are just said to be Spirits).

Why when they came out of the man did they go into the swines? Because they were fallen Angels/Spirits, who could not materialise bodies for themselves, and there-fore had to invade another existing body. Fallen Angels cannot materialise bodies, unlike Holy Angels.

So, Mikeboll64, If Angels/Spirits possess bodies – then why do they materialise themselves in the physical world? (Or not – for demon Spirits).

The Spirit realm is limitless, so therefore there need be no limit to the boundary of a Spirit – ipso facto, Angels are limitless – effectively bodiless.

God is a Spirit.
If you limit Angels/Spirits to having bodies in the Spirit realm, then you limit God also because God is a Spirit.
But you already do, as you seem to be saying that God is in one place in his limitless, boundaryless, invisible, materialless, incorporeal Spirit realm.
And therefore the Holy Spirit is also contained in a Body in one place in Heaven…

But yet, as Gene says, and Scriptures primarily… that God 'exist in us and around us' – 'his Holy Spirit exists in us and around us' ('Us' being all of God's Holy People).
And Jesus said (as a Spirit) he would be 'With us' forever.
How can Jesus be 'With each and everyone' if he is in one place only in Heaven?
What di
d Jesus say before this? That he had to go away else the Comforter could not come.
While Jesus was on Earth he was in physical form, and could only be in one place at a time (even if he could appear at any ONE place at any ONE time).
In order for him to be at All places he desired to be at Any time, he had to be in Spirit form.

January 8, 2012 at 4:26 am#271240

mikeboll64

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