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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 04 2010,15:22) Quote (shimmer @ Dec. 03 2010,21:50) It doesnt matter if Angels etc have bodies or not does it ?
Hi Shimmer,I don't think whether angels have bodies or not changes how we are to be saved – so in that sense, it doesn't really matter.
But the scriptures have lasted through the centuries for one reason Shimmer. Because God has purposed this to happen. And the things in the scriptures that seem unimportant to us at one point, might become very important as we learn more and as more is revealed to us over the centuries.
I just like to be “on point” when it comes to understanding scripture. If it says it, then whether or not it fits into my previous understanding, I will believe it.
But you feel free to post as you're led Shimmer.
peace and love,
mike
Mike, I grew up on Adventist childrens books. Angels always had wings in the stories. So I guess the child in me see's Angels with a body and wings. But that's ok.Either they do or they don't it's however we see them ourselves really.
Just like The Father. If we see the Father with our spiritual eyes then God is felt and not seen (example as we pray).
I will though, post as I feel, thanks. I'm looking into other things at the moment though, My mind isnt on this.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 04 2010,14:51) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 04 2010,14:25) because it can not be seen, because Spirit has NO Body of any kind.
So it's only a “body” if we can see it?
Gene:
Quote Mike ………..God creates his angels Spirits and puts them in them and send them forth to minister. These Angels have bodies with Spirits in them that GOD installed in them
Scriptures please Gene. I have showed actual scriptures that say both angels and Jesus are SPIRITS. And I have showed actual scriptures that say those in heaven have SPIRITUAL BODIES. What else would a spiritual body contain if not spirit?Anyway, I am showing scriptures………..where are yours?
mike
Mike ………….show were any Scripture say and are SPIRIT BEINGS, Because GOD said He created the Angle's SPIRITS doe not say Angles (ARE) SPIRITS. GET IT?. Angles have Bodies that has SPirit in them that GOD has CREATED (IN) them. The whole concept of (SPIRIT BODIES) is part of the confusion of MYSTERY RELIGION that many have bought into.A spirit does not have a body like Jesus said, When he said , that a spirit does not have flesh and bone as you see I have, Now do you think that because he said that that that meant he did not have Spirit (IN) that body he had. He sure did have Spirit in that body he had for sure. But was it seen in that body NO it was Not, nor is any Spirit ever seen.
When Paul said there is a Natural body and there is a spiritual body he was not meaning that the body itself was spirit or natural , He was meaning that the body was being driven by Natural and Carnal Spirits (intellects) or the Body was being driven by the Spiritual Mind of the Spirit (intellect) of GOD , not the spirit of the world, which is the spirit of carnal thinking.
If a man does not need to have a body to exist, then why did GOD even raise Jesus up with a Body that he said was not a spirit body. A person or Soul can be completely destroyed in the Grave by not having a resurected body and Spirit added back into it as scripture say. It is absolutely crucial we attain to the resurrection of a body in order for us to continue to exist as a living Being. IMO
peace and love………………………………gene
Quote (shimmer @ Dec. 04 2010,21:38) Mike, I grew up on Adventist childrens books. Angels always had wings in the stories. So I guess the child in me see's Angels with a body and wings. But that's ok. Either they do or they don't it's however we see them ourselves really.
Hi Shimmer,But it's not only your children's books, but scripture itself that mentions angels wings, hands and different faces. These things are all part of bodies.
mike
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 05 2010,00:09) Mike ………….show were any Scripture say and are SPIRIT BEINGS, Because GOD said He created the Angle's SPIRITS doe not say Angles (ARE) SPIRITS. GET IT?.
Hi Gene,Hebrews 1:14 NIV
Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?1 Corinthians 15:45 NIV
45 So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit.Do YOU “get it”?
mike
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 05 2010,00:09) A spirit does not have a body like Jesus said, When he said , that a spirit does not have flesh and bone as you see I have,
Gene, I have already answered this before. Jesus was apparently not that “life giving spirit” until he ascended back to heaven.mike
Gene,
Your challenge to Mike Boll will reveal nothing even if scripture calls angels spirits. Scripture calls humans flesh and yet we are more than flesh.
Mike, Gene,
A Spirit, other than the risen Christ, does not have a body.
A body is only required in the physical world.
Also, Paul mentions all kinds of bodies…the 'heavenly bodies' he mentions are shown to be 'visible heavens', the Sky and Celestial Space….Terrestial Bodies and Celestial bodies.
Celestial bodies, he says, the Sun, moon, stars….Mike, how on earth do you get 'Angels, Spirits with bodies' from 'Celestial bodies'.
Mike, even if your bible says 'Heavenly bodies' instead of 'Celestial bodies', does the rest of the verse saying 'The sun is one body, the moon is another and the stars are yet another', why would you suddenly move from visible physical observable bodies in the sky and space, to invisible spiritual things in heaven…that is a massive contextual change…and can only come out of desparation to see what is not there…seeing ghosts!!!!Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 05 2010,16:05) Gene, Your challenge to Mike Boll will reveal nothing even if scripture calls angels spirits. Scripture calls humans flesh and yet we are more than flesh.
KerwinPs 73:26 My flesh and my heart may fail,
but God is the strength of my heart
and my portion forever.
Ps 78:39 He remembered that they were but flesh,
a passing breeze that does not return.men is nothing ,but if he looks at God he could saved,
Pierre
Quote (JustAskin @ Dec. 05 2010,16:14) Mike, Gene, A Spirit, other than the risen Christ, does not have a body.
A body is only required in the physical world.
Also, Paul mentions all kinds of bodies…the 'heavenly bodies' he mentions are shown to be 'visible heavens', the Sky and Celestial Space….Terrestial Bodies and Celestial bodies.
Celestial bodies, he says, the Sun, moon, stars….Mike, how on earth do you get 'Angels, Spirits with bodies' from 'Celestial bodies'.
Mike, even if your bible says 'Heavenly bodies' instead of 'Celestial bodies', does the rest of the verse saying 'The sun is one body, the moon is another and the stars are yet another', why would you suddenly move from visible physical observable bodies in the sky and space, to invisible spiritual things in heaven…that is a massive contextual change…and can only come out of desparation to see what is not there…seeing ghosts!!!!
JAshow the scripture that you refer to
Pierre
Mike,
Legion. Does the word 'ignorant' come into your vocabulary…?
Do you not know that 'Legion' means 'a massive amount'.
A Roman Centurian (Centurian…A Roman soldier in charge of 100 other soldiers.)
Above the Centurian were others who were in charge of many centurians, a centurian of centurians, thousands…a Legion of troops, led by 'a Legionnaire'.I know what you are saying…and it's not good, Mike.
How can there be a legion of demons in the body of the man…by your reckoning? The man would have to be the size of the Grand Canyon, yet he was not…he was just man-size with abnormal strength due to the demons.
How did all those demons exist in him if they were all bodied?
No Mike, they do not have bodies, that's why they are called SPIRITS…
It's all very simple really…
Pierre,
It is true that man is mortal. Flesh = mortal in some passages of scripture which may have a bearing on this discussion.
Man is also referred to as soul in some scriptures even though that soul is guided by a spirit and encased in flesh.
JA,
40 There are also heavenly bodies and there are earthly bodies; but the splendor of the heavenly bodies is one kind, and the splendor of the earthly bodies is another. 41 The sun has one kind of splendor, the moon another and the stars another; and star differs from star in splendor.
42 So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable; 43 it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45 So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit.
49 And just as we have borne the image of the earthly man, so shall we bear the image of the heavenly man.
50 I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.
Come on JA. If heavenly bodies mean “stars and planets”, then what does the PLURAL “earthly bodies” mean? And are you saying that those who are raised will be raised in the body of a planet or a big ball of gas? Will some of us become “stars”?
Paul says we have had the “earthly bodies” and some of us will have the “heavenly bodies”.Wow. Talk about desparation and seeing ghosts!
mike
Quote (JustAskin @ Dec. 05 2010,09:31) No Mike, they do not have bodies, that's why they are called SPIRITS…
JA, Paul uses the term “spiritual bodies”. Do you think the sun, moon and stars are “spirits”? What would a “spiritual body” encase JA? I would guess a SPIRIT! But apparently not you. mike
Spirits do not need physical space.
The wind does not take up anymore space in the air than the amount of air that there is.
The wind blows where it will in the physical world.
From where does it come?
To where does it go?
You hear it's sound a wail, a hum,
But where is it's body, do you know?
It's Form we know, it is of air
A 'body of wind' i do agree
But come now, do be fair
Power embodied, do you see?
It's body is 'formed' for a purpose
Then it dances round, a three ring circus
From air it's formed, power gathered.
Back to air, it is then scattered.
A Spirit likwise is like the wind
Of such belief i won't rescind
Where 'ere it was needed there it'd been
A body required only to be seen.
Intelligent Power in invisible form
Only Christ breaks that norm
And so others too will be like him.
Take on the Spirit, Mike, sonny Jim.Mike,
How many Angels can you get to dance on the head of a pin all at the same time?Legions and legions….
How?
Quote (JustAskin @ Dec. 05 2010,17:03) Mike,
How many Angels can you get to dance on the head of a pin all at the same time?Legions and legions….
How?
JA
angels have spiritual bodies ,what ever that may be??but angels also can take a man figure,he also can take other figures,depending to what is require for them to do.
so you are beating your head against scriptures.
Pierre
Quote (JustAskin @ Dec. 05 2010,10:03) Mike,
How many Angels can you get to dance on the head of a pin all at the same time?Legions and legions….
How?
JA,SPIRITUAL BODIES must encase SPIRITS, right? So how ever many angels can fit on the head of a pin would fit there WITH THEIR SPIRTUAL BODIES INTACT. Where ever they go and what ever size they make themselves, you can be sure their SPRITUAL BODIES are right there with them keeping them separate from all the other angels.
mike
Mike……….There is no such thing as a SPIRIT BODY There is Spiirt (IN) BODIES. A spirit does not have a body it is what is (IN) a body guiding it and giving it intellects. No Angel has a SPIRIT BODY He has a BODY with SPIRIT (IN) IT Just as we DO. You are not understanding what SPIRIT really IS. IMO
peace and love……………………………….gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 05 2010,13:24) Mike……….There is no such thing as a SPIRIT BODY There is Spiirt (IN) BODIES. A spirit does not have a body it is what is (IN) a body guiding it and giving it intellects. No Angel has a SPIRIT BODY He has a BODY with SPIRIT (IN) IT Just as we DO. You are not understanding what SPIRIT really IS. IMO peace and love……………………………….gene
Gene,This is the last time brother. I'm tired of you popping in over and over and over posting the same crap, but when I answer your crap, you ignore the post.
Angels ARE ministering SPIRITS! Paul says those in heaven have SPIRITUAL BODIES. That's all there is to it Gene. Either address these SCRIPTURAL facts, or pipe down. I don't need to read your same old tired stuff over and over when you have NOTHING to support it except your opinion.
peace and love,
mikeHa ha…Mike and Terrarica..
What a pair of dingbats.
Terra, what are you accusing me of. How many times have i written in long AND in short, the very thing you are accusing me of not understanding?
I really need to ask if you are ill or something? Read back through my posts and see what i've been saying…do you only respond to the immediate post without reference to anything else that the poster has said…is this why you are such a frustrating poster to everyone here.
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