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Shimmer…………..Yes Spirit (BEINGS) all Angels , all men including Jesus, all have bodies with Spirit (intellect) (IN) them, The question is which Spirit in them is controlling them. Spirit is simply thought and can of itself do nothing unless it has a body to animate. It exists in all Dimensions that has life in it, because it ,(spirit), itself is the life in those dimensions . Spirit itself does not have a body no more then your thoughts has a body, spirit is the life force of all bodies that has life i(IN) them. Spirit is what life is, remember what Jesus said. “THE WORDS (INTELLIGENT UTTERANCE) I AM TELLING YOU , THEY (ARE) SPIRIT (AND) (LIFE)”. Just that simple that is what Spirit is it is LIFE. IMO
But as you have brought out it is not so important we understand all that stuff, it is how our relationship with GOD the Father is and how we are overcoming things in our life with the help of our heavenly Father and how close to him we have grown. Do we see his hand in our lives giving us blessing and peace and answering our prayers which is evidence of his presents, Giving us an increasing FAITH IN HIM.
This is what Martian was bring out by him asking what does false teachings produce in our lives do they bring us closer to Jesus and God the Father , are they functional in all of our lives and how are they (these teachings). Anyway (true) Knowledge is good but a close relationship with our Heavenly Father is better, By FAR> AS you have brought out Shimmer. IMO
peace and love to you and yours……………………………gene
Yeah Gene. Unless we become like children we will not see the kingdom of Heaven. When I was a child I believed Angels had wings=) didnt we all ?
Being as a child though doesnt mean we are to believe everything we are told, otherwise I would still believe in eternal hell torment, that was something I asked the Lord about in prayer but only because it worried me so much. I had decided it was so cruel and unfair that if it were true then I no longer wanted to follow God, so i'm glad that I asked because the Lord gave me my answer and I learnt that God is love and to trust Him.
Shimmer,
There are two female stork winged angels in scripture. I came across them when studying Zachariah. They are mentioned in Zackariah 5:9. That is the only scripture I know which mentions female angels or angels with wings. It is prophecy and therefore prone to be symbolic and therefore perhaps foolish to take literal.
From my understanding there are different types of angels.
Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 04 2010,13:55) Shimmer, There are two female stork winged angels in scripture. I came across them when studying Zachariah. They are mentioned in Zackariah 5:9. That is the only scripture I know which mentions female angels or angels with wings. It is prophecy and therefore prone to be symbolic and therefore perhaps foolish to take literal.
From my understanding there are different types of angels.
Kerwinthis is not real;it is an alegory,
wisdom and understanding is needed;Pr 1:5 let the wise listen and add to their learning,
and let the discerning get guidance—
Pr 1:6 for understanding proverbs and parables,
the sayings and riddles of the wisePierre
Quote (JustAskin @ Dec. 04 2010,03:15) And Terra, the topic is 'Do Spirits have bodies'. Of course the Angels, the 'INTELLIGENCE' behind the Spirits, are individuals.
It is not even a question to ask…
Are you therefore asking this silly question because you have realised that Soirits don't have bodies so you are changing the thread question so it fits what you want to answer…how you and Mike have been responding…
Well, good and bad.Good that you realise that Spirits don't have bodies…
Bad, that you can't just accept it, agree and build on it, instead of trying to muddy the waters…did you learn this from Mikeboll? He learnt it from KJ and WJ… Beware lest you also fall prey to such underhanded methods.
Terra, there is more heavenly glory in accepting a truth, than in all the shortlived pleasure you get from [trying to] deceiving unwary posters…beware!!!
Just askinyou create your own answer in my name and then say that I am a danger to others.
Spirits have spiritual bodies ,what ever that means,this is and as been my answer for all times.
Pierre
Mike,
I hear you trying to understand.
But with your glass half empty…rather than glass half full.Spirit is not like flesh….flesh is physical, that's why it needs a physical space to exist in.
Spirit does not have physical properties, therefore do not require 'physical space' to exist in…
That is why, in order to 'go up' to Heaven you need to 'put off the flesh'.
Mike, every living fleshy body has a spirit in it. Even plants have a spirit of a sort, an 'intelligence' that determines it's existence, raison d'etre, the purpose of it's existence. Plants go to war in slow time zone, they develop poisons against attackers, or mutual relationship with other plants and or insects and animals, to help spread their seed, for protection, etc…yes, they, in slow time, evolve, like animals do.
How did 'a legion' of demons occupy the mad man? Mike, how big or small are Angels?
Are you going to say that they can 'shrink' themselves? sounds like you have an aswer for every occassion.What do you find hard to understand about Dimensions?
You are frightened to show ignorance and that is very bad…you make yourself an antagoniser by opposing things you don't understand … just for the sake of trying hard not to say, 'I don't understand'.
This attitude makes it also very difficult to believe anything else you say…are you saying because you believe it …or just because you are ignorant and just post against the truth in a vain attempt at seeming to be intelligent.
Simple elementary 'Physics', ok, advanced Physics and theoretical Mathematics, can easily answer your question, but what is the point? You could never understand and would only do what people like you do…post nonesense as a response.
Tell me Mike, you like puzzles… What is an 'Imaginary Number' and why is it vital for understanding 'dimensions'?
Tell you what… I'll allow you to Google it…you won't find it in wetNanny!!
Terrarica,
You have no idea what you are talking about. You just post nonesense like the person you have taken up with, your 'Spiritual Brother, Mikeboll'Tell me, where is the Spiritual body of your brother right now?
When you converse with your spiritual brother does he need to be where you are? What language do you speak to him in or he to you?
Terra, stop fooling yourself and get back to reality.
Ditch your relationship with Mikeboll and stop being misled.
Scriptures does not mention Spiritual bodies in any suggestive manner pertaining to it being the state of affairs.
Only Jesus has a Spiritual Body because he is both Flesh and Blood, AND Spirit….and there will be others to follow…
Quote (JustAskin @ Dec. 04 2010,16:42) Terrarica,
You have no idea what you are talking about. You just post nonesense like the person you have taken up with, your 'Spiritual Brother, Mikeboll'Tell me, where is the Spiritual body of your brother right now?
When you converse with your spiritual brother does he need to be where you are? What language do you speak to him in or he to you?
Terra, stop fooling yourself and get back to reality.
Ditch your relationship with Mikeboll and stop being misled.
Scriptures does not mention Spiritual bodies in any suggestive manner pertaining to it being the state of affairs.
Only Jesus has a Spiritual Body because he is both Flesh and Blood, AND Spirit….and there will be others to follow…
JA1Co 15:40 There are also heavenly bodies and there are earthly bodies; but the splendor of the heavenly bodies is one kind, and the splendor of the earthly bodies is another
that is what i believe
Pierre
Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 04 2010,08:55) Shimmer, There are two female stork winged angels in scripture. I came across them when studying Zachariah. They are mentioned in Zackariah 5:9. That is the only scripture I know which mentions female angels or angels with wings. It is prophecy and therefore prone to be symbolic and therefore perhaps foolish to take literal.
From my understanding there are different types of angels.
Hi Kerwin.In someone elses words…Myth. “Some angels are female”….This theory makes great fiction and sells a lot of curios and trinkets”
Angels with wings….
When Moses was given instructions on how to build the Ark of the Covenant, there is this bit…..
“Make one cherub at the one end, and one cherub at the other end. You shall make the cherubim on its two ends of one piece with the mercy seat. The cherubim shall spread out their wings upward, covering the mercy seat with their wings, with their faces toward one another. The faces of the cherubim shall be toward the mercy seat”.- Exodus 25
Cherubim and Seraphims have wings.
'And the wings of the cherubims [were] twenty cubits long: one wing [of the one cherub was] five cubits, reaching to the wall of the house: and the other wing [was likewise] five cubits, reaching to the wing of the other cherub. – 2Ch 3:11
'Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings, with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly. – Isa 6:2
So it looks like at least some types do have wings.
Who was it here who said nothing in heaven had wings ? Hmmm i'm sure it was JustAskin ? Or maybe I heard Him wrong ? Did I hear you wrong JA ?
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 03 2010,16:16) JA the discussion is not what kind of form or body,but that they are separated individuals,
YES PIERRE!
That's EXACTLY what I'm saying. JA, listen……..I don't deny your dimension theory – because I don't know how it all works, and you could be right on this – who knows?
But no matter which dimension they're in, there absolutely HAS TO BE something that separates one of them from the others.
It doesn't have to be a “body” that we could touch or see, but if there isn't something separating one from the others, then they would be a big blend of only one being all mixed together.
That's why I keep saying that even if there were only TWO beings in existence, as soon as there were more than one, they would have to have “bodies” to separate themselves from each other.
Please tell me you understand this. The only way your “dimension” theory works WITHOUT BODIES is if each single angel existed in a different dimension from all the others………….AND filled up every single inch of that dimension. Because if there is any empty space in that dimension at all, then there is also something that is keeping that angel from occupying that empty space.
And also, the angels could not enter another dimension unless they had a body to separate the being of them from the being that already occupies that dimension.
P.S. I really enjoy the respectful way you've been posting lately.
Thank you.peace and love,
mikeQuote (JustAskin @ Dec. 03 2010,20:06) (The demons were in the man…it also shows…Mikeboll, that MANY demons occupied the SAME 'Space' in the man…how big was this man then and it also shows that the 100 or so demons had very little power as even with the number of them they only made the man so-so strong???)
Hi JA,Now let's think about this. I know you are guessing at the number 100, but let's say scripture actually said 100.
Now, how would anyone know there were 100 in the man? How would Legion know? What exactly did Legion COUNT to come up with “100”? He counted INDIVIDUAL SEPARATE demons, right? What is it that separated one from the other so that Legion knew exactly how many were there? BODIES of some sort. Some barrier that distinguished 100 SEPARATE individual demons from each other.
Get it?
mike
Quote (JustAskin @ Dec. 03 2010,20:15) Bad, that you can't just accept it, agree and build on it, instead of trying to muddy the waters…did you learn this from Mikeboll? He learnt it from KJ and WJ… Beware lest you also fall prey to such underhanded methods.
Tsk, tsk JA. Just when I complimented you on your good behavior lately. I guess it was too good to last.JA, angels have wings as part of their BODY, as Shimmer has just pointed out. Angels are SPIRITS.
Jesus has a spirtual body just like “those of heaven” according to Paul. And Jesus is now a life giving SPIRIT.
Scripture seems to say that spirits have bodies JA. But once again, you find yourself on the opposite side of scripture.
The times this happens with you has been ever increasing since I first met you. I wonder why.mike
Quote (shimmer @ Dec. 03 2010,21:50) It doesnt matter if Angels etc have bodies or not does it ?
Hi Shimmer,I don't think whether angels have bodies or not changes how we are to be saved – so in that sense, it doesn't really matter.
But the scriptures have lasted through the centuries for one reason Shimmer. Because God has purposed this to happen. And the things in the scriptures that seem unimportant to us at one point, might become very important as we learn more and as more is revealed to us over the centuries.
I just like to be “on point” when it comes to understanding scripture. If it says it, then whether or not it fits into my previous understanding, I will believe it.
But you feel free to post as you're led Shimmer.
peace and love,
mikeQuote (terraricca @ Dec. 04 2010,09:18) Spirits have spiritual bodies ,what ever that means,this is and as been my answer for all times.
Mine too!Quote (shimmer @ Dec. 04 2010,12:31) 'Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings, with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly. – Isa 6:2
Yes Shimmer. And this is also where I got the fact that these angels also have hands. Remember when I posted that?Is 6 NIV
6 Then one of the seraphim flew to me with a live coal in his hand, which he had taken with tongs from the altar.Aren't hands a part of a BODY?
mike
Quote (JustAskin @ Dec. 04 2010,09:29) You are frightened to show ignorance and that is very bad…you make yourself an antagoniser by opposing things you don't understand … just for the sake of trying hard not to say, 'I don't understand'. This attitude makes it also very difficult to believe anything else you say…
This is exactly what I think about you JA. The difference between us is that Pierre, Kathi, Shimmer and I are posting scriptures that say those in heaven have spiritual bodies. You are posting many, MANY words of “the world according to JA”. Dude, wise up! Your “intelligence” ( and I use the word very lighty) is no match for scriptures.Just start believing and posting SCRIPTURALLY JA, and you will find yourself in the same position that Pierre and I find ourselves.
JA, show me ONE SINGLE scripture that leads you to believe that angels don't have bodies of some sort. You think the following one does it?
John 3:8 NIV
The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”Wrong. What does “comes from” and “going” mean JA? If a spirit doesn't have something that says “this is the beginning and end of my being”, then that spirit would be everywhere all the time, for it would encompass all space and all things.
But to say this spirit CAME or LEFT is to say there is a beginning and an end to that spirit itself. There has to be something that encompasses that spirit so that when it “LEAVES” from somewhere, it no longer remains in that place it left from.
I appreciate everyone's comments on this thread. I learned about other scriptures, and that's what it's always about for me. JA, I'm sorry, but I have no choice but to finally get it through my head that this discussion is above your intelligence level.
Pierre has righty summed it up. It's about SEPARATION. There has to be something that separates one being or thing from another. That something is a body, no matter what shape or material or even “non-material” it's made up of.
Kathi has very cleverly figured this out from the beginning. It is her “LEAVING” point that I just posted. Something cannot be said to LEAVE from somewhere if there is no end to that thing.
Gene understands that angels have bodies. Shimmer understands they have wings, hands and “forms”. And most importantly, SCRIPTURE says there are spiritual bodies. What in the name of God would a SPIRITUAL BODY contain if not SPIRIT?
Sorry dude. I've wasted enough time on those who refuse to accept scripture on this site. Post your drivel………..maybe someone will take your imagination over the word of scripture. But it seems it won't be me, Pierre, Kathi, Shimmer or Gene – at least on this topic.
peace, love and understanding,
mikeMike……….Come and goes is a description of how Spirit (intellect) Woks it is everywhere and can come into a person or leave him and he would not know how it does that. because it can not be seen, because Spirit has NO Body of any kind. Angels are Beings with bodies that have Spirits in them. Just as we are being with Bodies and have Spirits (in) us. Question is what spirits are in us. Because those are what is controlling our minds and our Bodies follow it influences, Just as these Spirit control the Angels who have bodies also. You thinking there is something as a “SPIRIT BODY”, there is not, Spirit is what is (IN) Bodies. These Spirit can be Changed and our thinking will also change because these Spirits give us our thoughts and intellects. IMO
peace and love………………………………………………gene
Mike ………..God creates his angels Spirits and puts them in them and send them forth to minister. These Angels have bodies with Spirits in them that GOD installed in them. This is the way i understand it. Spirit is simply (INTELLECTS) of one kind or another That reside in all things that has life in them. IMO
peace and love…………………………………..gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 04 2010,14:25) because it can not be seen, because Spirit has NO Body of any kind.
So it's only a “body” if we can see it?Gene:
Quote Mike ………..God creates his angels Spirits and puts them in them and send them forth to minister. These Angels have bodies with Spirits in them that GOD installed in them
Scriptures please Gene. I have showed actual scriptures that say both angels and Jesus are SPIRITS. And I have showed actual scriptures that say those in heaven have SPIRITUAL BODIES. What else would a spiritual body contain if not spirit?Anyway, I am showing scriptures………..where are yours?
mike
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