Do spirits have bodies?

[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (shimmer @ Nov. 30 2010,06:43)

Hi Gene, I never mentioned a box at all. I meant that God is in all. Gods “signature” is on all because God created all, and all things exist through him, and through Christ who keeps all things together, and keeps all things going, thats what I meant. God is everywhere…. …the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain him. —2 Chr. 2:6 Where could I go to escape your spirit? Where could I flee from your presence? If I climb the heavens, you are there, there too, if I lie in Sheol. If I flew to the point of sunrise, or westward across the sea your hand would still be guiding me, your right hand holding me. —Ps. 139.7-10 Do I not fill heaven and earth? It is Yahweh who speaks. —Jer. 23.24 If these keep silence, the stones will cry out. —Lk. 19.40 Through him all things came to be, not one thing had its being but through him. —Jn. 1.2 In him we live, and move, and have our being…. —Acts 17.28 For from him, and through him and to him are all things. —Rm. 8.36 There is one God who is father of all, over all, through all and within all. —Eph. 4.6 Quote: The Greek Church Fathers referred to the transcendence of God as God's “essence” (ousia) and the immanence of God as his “energies” (energeia). In 553, at the Second Council of Constantinople, the universal Church proclaimed a panentheistic vision of the Trinity, developed from St. Paul's writing in Ephesians: “There is One God and Father from whom all things are, one Lord Jesus Christ through whom all things are, and one Holy Spirit in whom all things are.” God is in all things, for they spring from him, and all things are in God, for they subsist in him, yet he transcends all as well as emanates in all.   The Breastplate  St. Patrick I arise today, through the strength of Heaven: light of Sun, brilliance of Moon, splendour of Fire, speed of Lightning, swiftness of Wind, depth of Sea, stability of Earth, firmness of Rock. Christ with me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ in me, Christ beneath me, Christ above me, Christ on my right, Christ on my left, Christ in breadth, Christ in length, Christ in height, Christ in the heart of every man who thinks of me, Christ in the mouth of every man who speaks of me, Christ in every eye that sees me, Christ in every ear that hears me.

Shummer ………sorry for the misunderstanding . But the reason God is in all and through all thing is because He sustains all things He is the Spirit of Life that exists in all life forms from the smallest organism to the largest creatures on earth. He (ALONE) Sustains it all. So if a sparrow drops to the ground and dies he knows it because his life Spirit is in the Sparrow, and it returns to him, Just as it is in Us also. He upholds all thing by His Spirit. Nothing can exist without a Body to exist in, except GOD who is pure Spirit and lives vicariously through his creation , That is how GOD is all and (IN) (ALL) and through All. GOD the Father was (IN) Jesus . The anointed he recieved at the Jordan gave him the fullness of GOD the Father (IN) Him. We have some but nit the fullness, Spirit is like water and we are the cups , so to speak, the cup can be full, half full, or just have very little water in it. Even so with the Spirit . But no matter how much we have it all goes back to him who gave it in the first place. IMO

You thing about Christ is good , except replace the Word Christ with the Anointing or Spirit would be more accurate. This is not Jesus the Man , but the Christos or Spirit of GOD that was (IN) HIM > “THE FATHER WHO IS (IN) ME (HE) DOES THE WORKS”. And again “THE SON OF MAN CAN DO NOTHING OF HIMSELF” remember.

It was GOD the Father who was (IN) Jesus that was doing the Works, not Jesus the MAN. So who gets the GLORY Jesus the MAN or GOD the FATHER who was the one doing the WORKS. IMO

peace and love to you and yours……………………….gene

[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (Baker @ Nov. 30 2010,10:38)

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 30 2010,02:58) Irene………….The (IT) IS TALKING ABOUT THE BODY THAT IS THE (IT). peace and love…………………………………………..genw Gene 1Cr 15:44   It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.   Yes it is; “it” refers to our natural body, “it” has to be sown, buried at death, first before “it” can be raised a spiritual body.   Georg

Georg……….Notice it say (IT) the Body is Raised Not the Spirit because the spirit returned back to God who gave it when we die. So what is to be raised, a body, Just as Jesus' Body was raised and his spirit was put back into it , so it will be with Us we will all have Bodies the are Spirit filled , but none the less physical bodies that will be seen , Just as Jesus has now. No one has shown any scripture where anyone or any thing can live outside of some kind of body that God creates and adds Spirit (intellect) into it except God himself. If there is such a scripture i have not yet seen it. IMO

peace and love to you and Irene…………………………….gene

[JustAskin]

Mike,
Do you think that Satan is only attending to one person in any one moment?
Do you think that Jesus is attending to only one person at any one time?
Do you think God is only attending through Jesus and through his Angels, only one person at any one time?

When you use your computer system, how many processes (Separate Applications) do you think the Central Processor is running at any one time? Include all the Applications (Check using 'Task Manager'), thirty, forty, fifty…
And add 'MultiCore', two, four, eigth Processors….then move onto a Multiprocessor system…different from MultiCore…hundreds of Processors, each running tens of applications….then, Mike, move up to 'Array Processors', tens of thousands of Processors…this is what they use to model the weather…virtually one processor for each 'small block' of wind …they can model mountains, sun spot and solar wind effects on the earth (Like taking a blow torch to a body of water), the effect of the heat and smoke from Shimmer's barbeque in her back garden on the North Easterly 'low' in Southern France…
Now, that is all mankind, fleshly limited computer system…upgrade that to God level…Every nuance of life, the universe and everything…the flapping of a gnats wing in the deepest jungles in Brazil, the hot air from… the boiling pot, God knows everything, and is there….

And Mike, faeces is deliberately abhorant to man to stop him misusing it. Faeces is food to organism. Those organism use it to produce nuitrients that plants use to their benefit…that feed animals or produce fruit …that we then eat…one of the cycles of life… God does not regard it as 'dung' in the way you do…. God is Spirit, and fleshly things cannot harm Spirit….there is nothing of Flesh that can 'touch' a Spirit…but a Spirit can 'touch' flesh. How? The [intelligent] Spirit, which is energy and force, Angel, can create any kind of body, fire, lightening, wind, hale, water, flesh, a sword, a human body…anything that God allows it to create…

Still you do not understand but yet you quite rightly say, 'From your own Flawed logic…'

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (JustAskin @ Nov. 30 2010,16:42)

Mike, Do you think that Satan is only attending to one person in any one moment? Do you think that Jesus is attending to only one person at any one time? Do you think God is only attending through Jesus and through his Angels, only one person at any one time? When you use your computer system, how many processes (Separate Applications) do you think the Central Processor is running at any one time? Include all the Applications (Check using 'Task Manager'), thirty, forty, fifty… And add 'MultiCore', two, four, eigth Processors….then move onto a Multiprocessor system…different from MultiCore…hundreds of Processors, each running tens of applications….then, Mike, move up to 'Array Processors', tens of thousands of Processors…this is what they use to model the weather…virtually one processor for each 'small block' of wind …they can model mountains, sun spot and solar wind effects on the earth (Like taking a blow torch to a body of water), the effect of the heat and smoke from Shimmer's barbeque in her back garden on the North Easterly 'low' in Southern France… Now, that is all mankind, fleshly limited computer system…upgrade that to God level…Every nuance of life, the universe and everything…the flapping of a gnats wing in the deepest jungles in Brazil, the hot air from… the boiling pot, God knows everything, and is there…. And Mike, faeces is deliberately abhorant to man to stop him misusing it. Faeces is food to organism. Those organism use it to produce nuitrients that plants use to their benefit…that feed animals or produce fruit …that we then eat…one of the cycles of life… God does not regard it as 'dung' in the way you do…. God is Spirit, and fleshly things cannot harm Spirit….there is nothing of Flesh that can 'touch' a Spirit…but a Spirit can 'touch' flesh. How? The [intelligent] Spirit, which is energy and force, Angel, can create any kind of body, fire, lightening, wind, hale, water, flesh, a sword, a human body…anything that God allows it to create… Still you do not understand but yet you quite rightly say, 'From your own Flawed logic…'

JA

Good post!

The carnal mind limits God to being an old man sitting on a throne somewhere with a long beard whos eyes cannot see all things or who cannot be everywhere at once.

Is God that Big? You bet he is. He is bigger than the heavens and who can measure that? He has to be bigger than his creation for he holds it together.

If God is not everywhere then how could he say that he would be with us always?

How could he know the number of hairs on our heads? Think about it, everytime a human hair falls to the ground God has to change his records.  

The universe would fly apart if Gods Spirit and power did not hold it together.

Can his Spirit be there and he not be? If they say so then according to them his Spirit is greater than he.

Yes the being of God lives in man for we are the Temple of God or the Temple of the Holy Spirit or the Body of Christ of which he, Jesus also lives in.

Go figure all three dwell in my body and Spirit!  

WJ

[JustAskin]

WJ,
Well supported.

However, the scope is wider than you say, 'all three'…remember, Satan can also dwell in us if we let him, but then God and Jesus and the Holy Spirit would not be there…until somehow Satan was expelled…and we would need to fill that vacuum with Godliness, quickly…
How does the Scripture go? For having evicted the demon, if you leave the house empty, it will be again filled, this time with many more demons than before, and the last state will be worst than the first…

[mikeboll64]

Quote (JustAskin @ Dec. 01 2010,09:35)

WJ, Well supported. However, the scope is wider than you say, 'all three'…remember, Satan can also dwell in us if we let him, but then God and Jesus and the Holy Spirit would not be there…until somehow Satan was expelled…and we would need to fill that vacuum with Godliness, quickly…

JA,

You just supported what I was implying. You say if Satan is there, then God will not be. Do I understand you correctly?

So God does NOT dwell in those who already have Satan dwelling in them, right?

So God is NOT everywhere all the time then, right?

And God must have some “body” or perimeter that allows him to be in some people and not in others, right?

mike

[JustAskin]

Mikeboll,
Do your thoughts have a body? Are your thoughts encased in a covering. Well, yes, yours are…that's why you are not free to understand the greater matter, nay, not 'Matter', the greater 'Spirit' of things.
How many 'thoughts' can you have in your head? To you, each has a body…just how 'fat' is your head, do you wear a 'ten Gallon' hat?

Normal people's thoughts do not take up space in their heads…they are like Spirits, they come and go as they will, here a thought, there a thought, everywhere a thought…and to what is that thought restricted…? Mike, in thought, you can go anywhere…everywhere, anytime time, everytime…a handicapped person has no affliction, an adult can be a child, a child can be an adult, you can make love to whom you will (Careful…to lust is to sin), you can be on a Caribbean beach sipping pinaCollada's in the middle of an Arizona winter (Hey,..save your airfair, hotel costs and Carbon Footprint!)

Mike, you like puzzles…how many Angels can you get on the head of a pin at the same time?
Answer: More than those in the whole of the heaven hosts….

[mikeboll64]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 01 2010,09:11)

If God is not everywhere then how could he say that he would be with us always?

Hi Keith,

But who is thinking with a “carnal mind” now?  Do you really take “be with us” to literally mean the being of God is “contained” within your body?  

If God is everywhere all the time, then He is equally within Satan and his demons as he is within you, right?

Keith, see if you can you refute my logic below.  I know it comes from a feeble flawed human mind, but check it out:

If more than one thing exists, then there absolutely MUST be a body of some sort to separate those things.  If nothing separates those things, then there really only exists one thing.  As soon as you bring “thing #2” into the picture, there has to be something that distinguishes “thing #1” from “thing #2”.  If nothing is there to distinguish that it is TWO separate things, then it is not TWO separate things, but ONE thing that is the combination of the “would be” TWO things.

Do you at least see what I'm saying?

peace and love,
mike

[JustAskin]

WJ,
You are supposed to be an intelligent man…and I know this is from a different thread but could you, in one post, answer these questions that neither Mikeboll nor Terrarica dare to venture into responding to:
If Jesus created Satan, why is Satan contending with God, and not with Jesus.
Why is Satan given his own kingdom, his own rulership and his own Angels, yet Satan is a 'nondescript' Angel according to Mikeboll, supported by Terrarica, et al?

[terraricca]

WJ

you say;;The universe would fly apart if Gods Spirit and power did not hold it together.

Can his Spirit be there and he not be? If they say so then according to them his Spirit is greater than he.

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so in your description ,God create 200 million angels and they all stand and watch what God does,right??

so why is it that the apostles ad to preached ??

and the angels just looking as by standers???

were do you pick up your knowledge ?? in a bar???

Pierre

[mikeboll64]

Quote (JustAskin @ Dec. 01 2010,09:53)

Mikeboll, Do your thoughts have a body?

Yes JA, my thoughts have a body.  Why did you not answer my questions to you?  You sure are good at avoiding things, aren't you?

Let me repost them for you.  I'll number them for easy reference when you…………answer them!         Like that will ever happen.

1.  So God does NOT dwell in those who already have Satan dwelling in them, right?

2.  So God is NOT everywhere all the time then, right?

3.  And God must have some “body” or perimeter that allows him to be in some people and not in others, right?

About my thoughts, if there are more than one of them, then yes, there must be something that separates one thought from another.

Now, do thoughts just dissipate after we have them like fog?  Or does God keep a memory of every thought everyone has ever had?  I don't know the answer to this, do you?

Anyway, the “body” of an individual thought would take up no more room than the thought itself JA.  Just like you take up exactly as much room as your body allows.  So your response was carnal, something you fault me for being.

JA, does fog have a “body”?  Can you see it and touch it?  Then why would you assume that thoughts don't?  Just because you can't see and touch it doesn't mean it isn't there, right?  

JA, refute this simple logic from a flawed human brain:

If there is more than one thing, there has to be something that separates them into two things, or they would remain one thing.

Can you refute this logic?  YES or NO.

And finally, this thread is about angels and other spirit beings having bodies.  Scriptures say YES……….JA says NO, according to his norm.  Hmmmmmm……….who to believe?

mike

[JustAskin]

Yawn….

Mike, the thread is about 'Do Spirits have bodies', not 'Angels and other Spirit beings' because clearly, Jesus as risen Christ, the MAN in Spirit form, has a body.

Stop trying to be slippery…it doesn't work with me…

The 'body' of Christ is materialised when he desires to be in the worldly realm. When he does not, his body is dematerialised, 'As you see me go with the clouds, so i will come again with the clouds'

[mikeboll64]

Quote (JustAskin @ Dec. 01 2010,11:33)

Mike, the thread is about 'Do Spirits have bodies', not 'Angels

Really JA?

Hebrews 1:14
Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?

But you think the thread is about “spirits”, not “angels”?  

Interesting.

mike

[Lightenup]

I came across this verse to show that spirit is the opposite of flesh in some contexts:

Isa 31:3
3 Now the Egyptians are men and not God, And their horses are flesh and not spirit; So the Lord will stretch out His hand, And he who helps will stumble And he who is helped will fall, And all of them will come to an end together.
NASU

[terraricca]

Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 02 2010,08:59)

I came across this verse to show that spirit is the opposite of flesh in some contexts: Isa 31:3 3 Now the Egyptians are men and not God, And their horses are flesh and not spirit; So the Lord will stretch out His hand, And he who helps will stumble And he who is helped will fall, And all of them will come to an end together. NASU

Kathi

were does it says they are opposite??

flesh is flesh and spirits are spirits,thats all it says.

Pierre

[mikeboll64]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 01 2010,12:11)

Quote (JustAskin @ Dec. 01 2010,11:33) Mike, the thread is about 'Do Spirits have bodies', not 'Angels Really JA? Hebrews 1:14 Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation? But you think the thread is about “spirits”, not “angels”?   Interesting. mike

And also JA,

1 Cor 15 NIV
5 So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit.

JA, Jesus became a spirit.  You say Jesus has a body.  So I guess spirits DO have bodies.  

mike

[Lightenup]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 01 2010,13:34)

Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 02 2010,08:59) I came across this verse to show that spirit is the opposite of flesh in some contexts: Isa 31:3 3 Now the Egyptians are men and not God, And their horses are flesh and not spirit; So the Lord will stretch out His hand, And he who helps will stumble And he who is helped will fall, And all of them will come to an end together. NASU Kathi were does it says they are opposite?? flesh is flesh and spirits are spirits,thats all it says. Pierre

Hi Pierre,
Notice the contrast in each clause:
man to God
flesh to spirit

This is a contrast to two unlike things in each clause.
Basically the weak natural is compared to the strong, supernatural.

[Lightenup]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 01 2010,18:07)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 01 2010,12:11) Quote (JustAskin @ Dec. 01 2010,11:33) Mike, the thread is about 'Do Spirits have bodies', not 'Angels Really JA? Hebrews 1:14 Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation? But you think the thread is about “spirits”, not “angels”?   Interesting. mike And also JA, 1 Cor 15 NIV 5 So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit. JA, Jesus became a spirit.  You say Jesus has a body.  So I guess spirits DO have bodies.   mike

You're right Mike, good point.

[mikeboll64]

[shimmer]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 02 2010,12:07)

And also JA, 1 Cor 15 NIV 5 So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit. JA, Jesus became a spirit.  You say Jesus has a body.  So I guess spirits DO have bodies.   mike

It depends how you see it.

Spirits in Heaven are spiritual beings
Men on Earth are earthly beings

Two different things

But the word from Heaven became flesh and dwelt among us. Jesus the Christ

Then Jesus the Christ was risen from the dead, the firstborn of the dead, with a new spirit glorified body, a new creation, the first of many,

2 Cor 5:16
Therefore we know no one after the flesh from now on. Even though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now we know him so no more.  Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old things have passed away. Behold, all things have become new.

1 Corinthians 15:45 (YLT)
So also it hath been written, `The first man Adam became a living creature,' the last Adam [is] for a life-giving spirit
But that which is spiritual [is] not first, but that which [was] natural, afterwards that which [is] spiritual.
The first man [is] out of the earth, earthy; the second man [is] the Lord out of heaven;
As [is] the earthy, such [are] also the earthy; and as [is] the heavenly, such [are] also the heavenly;
And, according as we did bear the image of the earthy, we shall bear also the image of the heavenly.

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