Do spirits have bodies?

[JustAskin]

Mikeboll,

Spirits have bodies…where do you read that?

Angels can materialise bodies for sure.

How does 'Sting' put it…'Spirits in the material world'

Bodies cannot occupy heavenly dimensions. Cannot be….impossible.

You make your claim from pure fleshly ignorance seeing that you are a pharasee…and a Sadducee… (you cannot 'see a far' and because of that, you are very 'Sad, you see' )

[terraricca]

Quote (JustAskin @ Nov. 23 2010,22:24)

Mikeboll, Spirits have bodies…where do you read that? Angels can materialise bodies for sure. How does 'Sting' put it…'Spirits in the material world' Bodies cannot occupy heavenly dimensions. Cannot be….impossible. You make your claim from pure fleshly ignorance seeing that you are a pharasee…and a Sadducee… (you cannot 'see a far' and because of that, you are very 'Sad, you see' )

JA

1Co 15:42 So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable;
1Co 15:44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.
If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body

Pierre

[JustAskin]

Terra,

What are you saying…

Because you see the word 'body'?

You being too simple, man…

'body' here just means 'person'….what can you not see…

Somebody…some person…

So, what other verse says there are 'Spiritual bodies'…?

Spirits do not have bodies….that's tge beauty of Spirit.

So, then, what food do Angels eat? Manna?
What do Angels drink?
When do Spirits sleep?
Where do Angels go to the loo?
Do Spirits feel pain eyes, nose, hair, teeth, ….?
Can you kill an Angel…what about hypnotize one?

Come on, Terra, where is your inner belief..

Terra, these days you seem to just sit on a rock like an ambusher waiting for passing 'prey'…

Terra, i am not prey fodder for you…

Or, are you jealous that i have not had altercation with you…is that what you want…whatever i say you attack these days without any rhyme or reason and outside of context. Half the time i have no idea what it is you are actually saying against me.

Why, Terra, why?

[kerwin]

Just Askin,

Phantasms have body and they are spirits. Scripture describes them whether they are invisiable or viisiable. The accounts of visiable phantasms were mistaken as Jesus was actually alive but we do learn that the belief in visiable phantasms existed.

In all cases this type of spirit that phantasms are part of have a body that can be seen but not touched. They can also not eat unlike angels and Jesus.

God is a different class of Spirit.

[terraricca]

Quote (JustAskin @ Nov. 24 2010,01:36)

Terra, What are you saying… Because you see the word 'body'? You being too simple, man… 'body' here just means 'person'….what can you not see… Somebody…some person… So, what other verse says there are 'Spiritual bodies'…? Spirits do not have bodies….that's tge beauty of Spirit. So, then, what food do Angels eat? Manna? What do Angels drink? When do Spirits sleep? Where do Angels go to the loo? Do Spirits feel pain eyes, nose, hair, teeth, ….? Can you kill an Angel…what about hypnotize one? Come on, Terra, where is your inner belief.. Terra, these days you seem to just sit on a rock like an ambusher waiting for passing 'prey'… Terra, i am not prey fodder for you… Or, are you jealous that i have not had altercation with you…is that what you want…whatever i say you attack these days without any rhyme or reason and outside of  context. Half the time i have no idea what it is you are actually saying against me. Why, Terra, why?

hi JA

it is good to talk to you,first angels do not eat because the do not have the earthly body (flesh and blood)they have a spiritual body says Paul .whatever that may be ,(we can refer to EZE wen he describe Satan structure and how he was build)

so they do not need to eat and drink but if they want to, what would stop them?

and angels do not need to sleep this also is only related to men flesh and blood,

and you know the spirit never sleeps even ours,

for me to be jealous what is it you have that i can not recieve from God?

we have many believes the same so ,

and you right i am edgy ,i am very tired ,and cannot sleep,

I hope it will pass soon,

i will not comment on the end of your comment because nothing applies.

Pierre

[theodorej]

Quote (shimmer @ Nov. 18 2010,06:58)

Quote (JustAskin @ Nov. 18 2010,05:20) To all those who think that a Spirit has a body. Time for definition…What are you saying that 'a body' is? Please just post your definition, not 'proof'…what do you say 'Spiritual body' is? Note, 'Spiritual' as opposed to 'Flesh'. This, so we all understand each other and are batting off the same wicket? I believe a spiritual body can appear in the FORM of a human body. I believe Jesus was spirit but he became flesh……not in form only but in reality…..the first to ever do so from out of the spiritual realm……unique in that he did. From Heaven. I recall reading somewhere, the difference in spiritual form and earthly form is the blood.

Greetings Shimmer…. I agree there are numerous examples of God assuming a humanly form that being a body of that of a human yet having the power imparted to a spirit….

[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 23 2010,11:48)

Hey Gene, Do you know of a scripture that calls any human “a spirit” in that same sense (or any sense)? We are flesh with spirit in us, but I can't think of any time humans are called “spirits”. On the other hand, Paul clearly and without mincing words says that angels are ministering spirits – not that they are “bodies with spirit (INTELLECT) put inside them by God”. Do you see what I mean?  I agree with you and (I think) everyone else here except JA that angels have bodies.  I just think they are spiritual bodies because angels are spirits.  That's what Paul is saying in 1 Cor 15 Gene……….IMO mike

Mike…………No i don't know any Scripture that call a Human a Spirit, because a Human is a BODY with SPIRIT (IN ) HIM , so spirit is definitely part of the Human Being right?. “IF the SPIRIT that was IN Christ Jesus our lord be (IN) you (IT) (the spirit, that is) Shall quicken (bring to life) your MORTAL BODY> Spirit does not have a body, it resides (IN) bodies, Spirit is the Force that animates Bodies, it is and alway will be (INVISIBLE) THAT IS WHY NO MAN HAVE EVER SEEN GOD, He is Pure Spirit and can not (EVER) be seen. That is why GOD can be (IN) You Just like He was (IN) Jesus He considers our Bodies temples he can dwell (IN) Along with our Spirits (intellects) ” THAT GOD MAY BE (IN) ALL AND THROUGH ALL” get it?

Rom 8:11 ….> But if the SPIRIT of him that raised up Jesus from the DEAD (DWELL) (IN) you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies (BY) HIS (SPIRIT) THAT (DWELLS) (IN) YOU.

peace and love…………………………gene

[GeneBalthrop]

To All………..Heb 1:7……..And of the Angel he says, who Makes his Angels (spirits) and his minister a flame of fire.

This can be mistaken to mean GOD makes the Angels themselves Spirit beings, but it should be understood as GOD makes the Spirits (intellects) that are (IN) the Angels. This is the way i percieve it to mean. Because Angels have been seen and they have bodies as scriptures attest to. It just we can not always see them unless GOD opens our eyes to see them. As in the case of the Lad that was with Elijah the Prophet. The angles were there but the Lad just could not see them but Elijah could see them and they did have bpdies it appears. We also have scripture that say GOD give it a Bodies Just as He pleases and to each a (BODY) of its own. Spirit is what animates those Bodies it can not be seen ever, just the effect it produces in things. IMO

peace and love to you all…………………….gene

[JustAskin]

S'truth fellows…what is with you guys?

By Manifesting themselves from invisible 'FORM' to visible 'FORM' they acquire a body… If they had a body then it would mean they occupy a 'fixed space and shape'…since when did the wind occupy fixed space and shape…if it did then it would not be 'Wind'.

Scholars,
what is the greek word for 'Wind'?
What is the Greek word for 'Spirit'?
What is the Greek word for 'Breath'

Which one(s) of the above has a 'body'.

The wind…can take on a shape, become a body of wind, shaped by a constant pliant container, it has to keep moving else it is no longer 'wind'.

By the way, there is no such thing as a 'Ghost'…perhaps this is what you guys are thinking about…a Ghost is mythology…Spirit…is not Ghost…never say, 'Holy Ghost', there is no such thing….and p l e a s e …don't quote so anarchic , 'wickedpedia proof'.

A 'ghost' has a 'body'…but there is no such thing as a Ghost, so the point is mute…

Can anyone 'Spirit has a body' believer answer the questions i posed to Terra?

And don't say the Angel Spirits ate with Abraham…they were not Angels in Spirit form..they were Angels in fleshly form …and therefore needed to sustain the fleshly bodies…
Please answer from, Angels in Spirit form…this is what the discussion is about…do Angels [in Spirit form] have bodies… (it would be silly to say, the angels came to be in human form, that is, 'had flesh', were therefore seen…and ate food, etc, slept, etc…yes…because they materialised human flesh bodies….ha ha, Mike….and then procreated with human women…with their fleshly human bodies….)

[terraricca]

JA

what is faster than sound….light ….what is faster than light ……? that is the speed of the angels can a flesh body go that fast?

no,so the materialize as they comes to us,look at the story of Job,look at the story of Jesus after he was tempted,and Abraham,Jacobs,even in the tree friend of Daniel into the fire ,in this case it shows that they or he did not take a human form to fight the flames and heat,

sorry i do not agree with you in this,

Pierre

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 24 2010,00:32)

THAT IS WHY NO MAN HAVE EVER SEEN GOD, He is Pure Spirit and can not (EVER) be seen.

Hi Gene,

But angels can see God, right? And in New Jerusalem, His servants will see Him, right?

Revelation 22 NIV
3 No longer will there be any curse. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city, and his servants will serve him. 4 They will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads.

How can one see God's “face” if God doesn't have a body? Like Elisha's servant, just because we can't now SEE the bodies of angels or God doesn't mean there isn't a body there.

Hebrews 1:14 NIV
Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?

This says angels ARE spirits Gene.

mike

[mikeboll64]

Quote (JustAskin @ Nov. 24 2010,04:30)

By Manifesting themselves from invisible 'FORM' to visible 'FORM' they acquire a body…

Hi JA,

2 Kings 6 NIV
15 When the servant of the man of God got up and went out early the next morning, an army with horses and chariots had surrounded the city. “Oh no, my lord! What shall we do?” the servant asked.

16 “Don’t be afraid,” the prophet answered. “Those who are with us are more than those who are with them.”

17 And Elisha prayed, “Open his eyes, LORD, so that he may see.” Then the LORD opened the servant’s eyes, and he looked and saw the hills full of horses and chariots of fire all around Elisha.

JA, did these angels have bodies when only Elisha could see them but his servant still couldn't?  Or did they “manifest” one body that Elisha could see, and then “manifest” yet another body that both Elisha AND his servant could see?  Were they “taking up the same space” when only Elisha could see them as they took up when both Elisha and his servant could see them?

mike

[mikeboll64]

Quote (JustAskin @ Nov. 24 2010,04:30)

because they materialised human flesh bodies….ha ha, Mike….and then procreated with human women…with their fleshly human bodies….)

The problem, JA, is that none of what you claim is in the scriptures.

Moses just says angels took human women as wives.  It is only YOUR assumption that they had to have taken on a flesh body to do so.  Moses just says the angels of Jehovah ate with Lot.  It is only YOUR assumption that they must have taken on a flesh body to do so.

1 Cor 15 speaks very clearly about “the man of earth has a flesh body, and the man of heaven has a spiritual body”.

Scripture, scripture, scripture JA.

mike

[shimmer]

Quote (theodorej @ Nov. 24 2010,00:38)

Greetings Shimmer…. I agree there are numerous examples of God assuming a humanly form that being a body of that of a human yet having the power imparted to a spirit….

Hi Ted,

Do you mean God, or do you mean the Son ?

God has never taken on a human body only the Son has, and these two are clearly not the same. The Father is the Father and the Son is the Son, we were made in Gods image…Father, son, Mother, daughter…it's really not that hard to understand.

All power and strength come from the Father who is the source of all things.

Ted, are you a Trinitarian or a Binitarian or a one-ness believer ? Or neither ?

God has never been seen, only the son has been seen and only Angels have been seen, and only the son has seen the Father.

Angels have bodies but different to ours is the way I see it.

They can become fire and they can be in fire without being burnt for example.

When Gods people are risen to meet Christ in the air, their bodies will change…….they will become immortal, and as can be seen with the fire, they wont feel pain as we now do….they will be able to rise in the air so different in that way too…. They will not grow old, etc.

[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 24 2010,13:05)

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 24 2010,00:32) THAT IS WHY NO MAN HAVE EVER SEEN GOD, He is Pure Spirit and can not (EVER) be seen. Hi Gene, But angels can see God, right?  And in New Jerusalem, His servants will see Him, right?   Revelation 22 NIV 3 No longer will there be any curse. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city, and his servants will serve him. 4 They will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads. How can one see God's “face” if God doesn't have a body?  Like Elisha's servant, just because we can't now SEE the bodies of angels or God doesn't mean there isn't a body there. Hebrews 1:14 NIV Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation? This says angels ARE spirits Gene.   mike

Mike………..Seeing GOD can only be accomplished through the EYES of the Spirit Both Now and in the Kingdom, GOD Is SPIRIT and can not be seen with the Physical eyes of anyone. Jesus has a body and the angels have bodies and we have bodies and everything that has life (in) it has a body of its own, GOD does not have a visible body , he must be seen through the eye of the Spirit (intellect).

You could say God is the operating force of the bodies he creates and when those bodies die the force of life goes back to the collective from which it came. Much like, say a giant lake of clear water and some of it is poured in a body and life function in that body then and when it dies that water is returned from where it came from in the first place. This is how GOD is in all and through all things, by Spirit working in it. .

You are kept alive by unseen forces working in you bodies right now and alway was, What give the (intellect) to those cells of you body to function as they do?, Life must be present (IN) them in order for them to function as they do, each cell has it own function that maintains you life you have. The blood carries then around so they can perform their functions , therefore the saying is true Life is in the Blood.

Mike Spirit does not have a body, Spirit (intellect) is what is in a body and causes it to function , that spirit never dies it can not die because it is what life is. The Spirit can be expressed by words, but like words can only be perceived through the mind. God and his Words are one and the same. They are perceived through the minds eye. Not though the Flesh eyes. Therefor as it says “no man has ever seen God at any time”. Jesus disclosed the Father because he cannot be seen physical. IMO

peace and love to you and yours………………………gene

[terraricca]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 21 2010,18:44)

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 21 2010,11:34) Mike this is new to me were is this written??i think this comes from JA? I thank you for reminding me that the Nephilim were in Canaan after the flood.  Shimmer was right that angels might actually still be procreating with humans to this very day.  I thought God had put an end to it after the flood, but I was apparently mistaken.  Thank you for that pointer. peace and love, mike Pierre Hi Pierre, Thank JA for this one, for he is right. Genesis 6:4 NIV The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown. Numbers 13:33 NIV We saw the Nephilim there (the descendants of Anak come from the Nephilim). We seemed like grasshoppers in our own eyes, and we looked the same to them.” mike

Mike

The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.

the word “and also afterward”is referring to the time before Noah enter the ark.

{and also afterward when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them,They were the heroes of old,,

it seems that it is not after the flood but before the flood as well

please read this carefully

Pierre

[shimmer]

Hi.

Exodus 33:20 “But,” he said, “you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live.”

John 6:46 “Not that any one hath seen the Father, except he who is from God, he hath seen the Father”.

John 7:29 “And I have known Him, because I am from Him, and He did send me.'

And with this verse…

Rev 22:4

And any curse there shall not be any more, and the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it, and His servants shall serve Him, [uand they shall see His face[/u], and His name is upon their foreheads,

Does that say God or the lamb's face shall be seen ? Im sure it would mean Jesus, as God is invisible spirit ..it says.

The book of revelations should not be taken literally, it was writen when John was in the spirit.

To be fully in the spirit today is hard because we have too much distractions and interferance from modern life…even our air is full of sound waves etc, and so many people try to understand what they cant understand, I think.

[shimmer]

Radio waves I was supposed to put… Air full of radio waves.

[JustAskin]

Mikeboll,

Are there horses and Chariots of fire in heaven…or was this figurative speech….?

And what do you think…flames of fire….what is fire but raw energy, energy unleashed…does energy have container, a body…raw energy…no…but it can be gathered together to create a body of energy, a ball of fire, a flame of fire…you know too little of even basic physics to understand anything higher.
If you understood more then you would not be disputing…you lack advanced knowledge and only see things with childish eyes..nit meek child but ignorant child.

Energy…with intelligence…can create anything…

All things visible and invisible in this world…is created from Energy…every element in the physics Periodical Table, every basic element, the building blocks of everything that we know….is compressed energy….

So all of us, humans, all animals, all life, all rock, earth, soil, water, air, gas, everything …is Energy…and EVERYTHING is FROM God….see the link…
Outside God? There is no 'outside God' because everything is in God..
That's why we are in God and God is in Us because God is all invasive…because spirit is all invasive…if allowed to be.

What is it to a spirit to form a body and occupy that body with itself, it's spirit…nothing…but, the limiter…God banned Angels from doing so after the flood….An angels may only occupy an existing body if 'invited' by that body…the spirit in that body…
Why did Jesus not come himself as a 'body'? Surely, Mikeboll, being exactly God, he could have done so…but instead he said, 'A BODY you gave prepared for me'…

The 'Body' you are mistakenly talking about is the Spirit Man that the 'begotten of God' will acquire.
This is the promise of God, the promise that has begun to be fulfilled through Christ, the firstborn from the dead, firstfruit of the new covenant…the first, the King, over all of God's creation.
These Spirits with bodies will be resident both in Heaven and on earth, hence both body…and…spirit.

[terraricca]

JA

you say;;All things visible and invisible in this world…is created from Energy…every element in the physics Periodical Table, every basic element, the building blocks of everything that we know….is compressed energy….

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like you say it is only what we men can understand ,what is barely nothing,this is why we do the most stupid things,

IF GOD WOULD GIVE THE FULL EXPLANATION OF HOW HE CREATED THINGS YOU WOULD NOT UNDERSTAND A WORD.

AS FAR IT GOES THIS IS OBVEOUSLY NOT THE WAY GOD WANT S US TO LEARN ABOUT HIM AND HIS SON,

YOU PREACH GOD IN A WAY THAT DOES NOT HELP THE ONES WHO LISTEN SO IT IS FOOLISH TALK,ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURES.

GOD IS IN CONTROL FOR ONE REASON ,AND THAT IS WE DO NOT KNOW ALL THINGS ,AND UNTIL GOD FINISH ITS PLAN TO BRING ALL THING TO HIS level of HOLYNESS.

UNTIL THEN WE WAIT AND SEE ,AND PROGRESS IN RIGHTEOUSNESS SO THAT WE MAY BE APPROVED TO BE WHORTY OF RECIEVING THE PRICE OF LIVE.

NOW THE CHARRIOTS OF FIRE ,LAKE OF FIRE, ABBIS ,DONJONS,AND THE ALIKES ARE NOT REALITY, BUT EXPRESIONS OF THOSE REALITIES.

Pierre

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