Do men ever go to heaven?

[Spock]

Upon death of the physical body, by natural means or “translation,” the souls of Gods children proceed to the many mansions created for us as we make our way inward to a final rendezvous on Paradise, the geographical location of the eternal God.

When we first awake from the sleep of death on the first mansion world we will have the form that Jesus indwelt when he returned to earth on the third day after the death of his mortal tabernacle. It is part spirit part matter, matter of a different form, a more “enduring substance.”

Colter

[NickHassan]

Hi Colter,
This new teaching does not seem to have a root on scripture.
Who invented it?

[Spock]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 19 2012,05:37)

Hi Colter, This new teaching does not seem to have a root on scripture. Who invented it?

Personal computers don't seem to have a root in scripture, do you believe in them?

……and BTW, you don't believe in all the scripture either, you cherry pick it to suit your custom doctrine.

Colter

[NickHassan]

Hi Colter,
So they are your own ideas?
How can you trust them?

[kerwin]

Quote (Colter @ April 18 2012,18:09)

Upon death of the physical body, by natural means or “translation,” the souls of Gods children proceed to the many mansions created for us as we make our way inward to a final rendezvous on Paradise, the geographical location of the eternal God. When we first awake from the sleep of death on the first mansion world we will have the form that Jesus indwelt when he returned to earth on the third day after the death of his mortal tabernacle. It is part spirit part matter, matter of a different form, a more “enduring substance.” Colter

Colter,

What brand of Gnosticism influenced teaching do you hold to?  It seems more influenced than that of some here.

[terraricca]

Quote (kerwin @ April 19 2012,01:02)

Quote (terraricca @ April 18 2012,12:43) Quote (kerwin @ April 19 2012,00:19) Quote (terraricca @ April 18 2012,08:49) Quote (kerwin @ April 18 2012,20:28) Terraricca, You call it my opinion when I state that the fruit of the Spirit includes meekness when Galatians 5:23 explicitly states that.  Do you not understand that those who walk by the Spirit reveal the fruit thereof and so are meek?  That is reading comprehension and not an opinion.  Jesus promises the meek will inherit the earth.  Is it my opinion when I believe his Word and so believe those who walk by the Spirit will inherit the earth? I only see two choices in Scripture, a believer either walks by the spirit or by the flesh.   Therefore it is not an opinion to state those who are not meek will not inherit the kingdom. The bottom line is that the new earth is for man and then new heavens are for the angels.   This contradicts what you have been told by ignorant and corrupt men.  Will you be able to discard their false teachings? Kerwin you are a wind blower ,answer my question ,if you can not then to give me names that you should carry terraricca, I do not know the question you speak.  Please repeat it and direct my attention to it.  I do know that you refuse to acknowledge that those that live by the Spirit have the characteristic of meekness; among others.  Why do you avoid that fact? Galatians 5 King James Version (KJV) 22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. It is written that the meek will inherit the new earth.  Why do you doubt? K Page 54 Pierre, Thank you Quote first Christ says he has two pen of sheep who are they Matthew 15 (King James Version) 24But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. the house of Israel is the pen. Who are the other lost sheep that are outside the pen?

k

Jn 10:16 I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd.

it is important that you read more ,because most of the argument you have are based on your ignorance of scriptures ,

and so your interpretation based on the understanding of the restrained knowledge is also affected,

[kerwin]

Quote (terraricca @ April 19 2012,04:12)

Quote (kerwin @ April 19 2012,01:02) Pierre, Thank you Quote first Christ says he has two pen of sheep who are they Matthew 15 (King James Version) 24But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. the house of Israel is the pen. Who are the other lost sheep that are outside the pen? k Jn 10:16 I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd. it is important that you read more ,because most of the argument you have are based on your ignorance of scriptures , and so your interpretation based on the understanding of the restrained knowledge is also affected,

terraricca,

What pen is Jesus speaking of when he states “this pen”?

He tells you himself by stating he was sent to the house of Israel.  He was not sent to anyone else; he was only sent to the house of Israel.

The house of Israel, he was sent to and is speaking to, is the one he calls “this pen”.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (terraricca @ April 17 2012,20:47)

Mike would Jesus be plural it says STARS not STAR

I understand “morning stars” to be another way of saying “angelic beings”, or “angels”.

There are many morning stars listed in Job, but only one in Rev. The one is Rev is distinguished as the bright morning star. Perhaps that means Jesus is the brightest shining of all of God's angels?

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
It is predictable that you would make Jesus an angel as well as a lesser god despite scripture.

morning stars are in Revelation more than you have found.

Jesus Christ said he would GIVE the morning star in Rev 2.18
What does this mean to you-an angel??

[mikeboll64]

Quote (david @ April 18 2012,00:09)

First, where is mike? Secondly, Mike, I found one place where the topic of Jesus' resurrection (spirit or flesh) was had (page 37-40 of this thread.) Where did mike go?

Hi David,

I just read the pages you listed.  I agree with you that Jesus is now a spirit being, just like he was before he was made into the likeness of a human being.

I do not agree with you that he was raised from the dead AS a spirit being, or he would have lied to his disciples in Luke 24:39.

I believe that for reasons known to Jesus and God (most likely “proof” that the dead rise), Jesus was first raised in the same flesh body in which he died.  I believe that upon his ascension to heaven, his body was transformed into the new, glorious, spiritual body he now has.

But…………. back to the topic.  I agree with you that certain “men” will live forever in heaven.  I copied a post you made on a different thread that discussed this issue and pasted it here in your thread, because I thought you made excellent points – some of which I've been posting to Nick little by little.

I do think the thread title is a little misleading, because we agree that flesh cannot enter the Kingdom of God, and “men” are made of flesh without exception.  (That's one of the qualities that MAKES them “men” in the first place.)

So in reality, we are discussing whether or not some who HAVE BEEN men in the past will dwell in heaven for eternity.  I think scripture is clear that some will.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 18 2012,16:56)

Hi MB, It is predictable that you would make Jesus an angel as well as a lesser god despite scripture. morning stars are in Revelation more than you have found. Jesus Christ said he would GIVE the morning star in Rev 2.18 What does this mean to you-an angel??

I don't know what it means, Nick. That's why, as I explained to Kerwin, I'm asking questions – not trying to teach.

You said the morning stars were “angelic sons” in Job. And if Jesus is the “bright morning star”, this would imply that Jesus is brighter than the other “angelic sons”, but still an “angelic son”.

I don't know the meaning of “morning star” in 2:28.

I won't go off topic to discuss your other comments except to say that I have shown you from scripture where Jesus is an angel and a lesser god. You can believe those scriptures or not.

[NickHassan]

Hi mb,
The Lord is the Spirit.
Jesus Christ is the source of the Spirit of life
His Spirit rises in our hearts if we submit to the spiritual teachings of the Word.
No scripture says Jesus is either a lesser god or an angel.
Why teach what is not written?

[terraricca]

Quote (kerwin @ April 19 2012,16:26)

Quote (terraricca @ April 19 2012,04:12) Quote (kerwin @ April 19 2012,01:02) Pierre, Thank you Quote first Christ says he has two pen of sheep who are they Matthew 15 (King James Version) 24But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. the house of Israel is the pen. Who are the other lost sheep that are outside the pen? k Jn 10:16 I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd. it is important that you read more ,because most of the argument you have are based on your ignorance of scriptures , and so your interpretation based on the understanding of the restrained knowledge is also affected, terraricca, What pen is Jesus speaking of when he states “this pen”? He tells you himself by stating he was sent to the house of Israel.  He was not sent to anyone else; he was only sent to the house of Israel. The house of Israel, he was sent to and is speaking to, is the one he calls “this pen”.

K

you see this you do not understand because you do not read enough and just pick and chose ,

you have acquired a staggered knowledge ;

know one miss one ,know one miss one ………………………

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
No he is right but you will not listen.

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 19 2012,17:32)

Hi T, No he is right but you will not listen.

N

you to are suffering of the same problem,

believe a little here and rejecting a little there and so on………..

and never understand nothing

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 18 2012,21:33)

Hi, The sons of God are led by the SPIRIT of God so angelic sons, the MORNING STARS, are too. Jesus Christ promised to give men the MORNING STAR and he gives them his SPIRIT. The MORNING STAR is meant to rise in our hearts just as the SPIRIT leads God's sons. Now the Lord is the SPIRIT and is the MORNING STAR. Anyone here with SPIRITUAL EYES here not able to decipher the truth?

N

good try but missing to much.

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
You seem to regard yourself as the judge of these things.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 18 2012,17:10)

No scripture says Jesus is either a lesser god or an angel. Why teach what is not written?

Hmmm…………..

Is Jesus ever called a god in scripture, Nick?  YES or NO?

Didn't you just tell me that the “morning stars” in Job were “angelic sons”?  Why then wouldn't Jesus, as the “bright morning star”, also be an “angelic son”?

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
Logic is not the key to what is spiritual.

[mikeboll64]

Okay Nick.

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