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reposted for your convenience, please answer:
Proclaimer,
You said:
You either believe or you don’t. Fine.
So, what do YOU proclaim, Proclaimer? Do you think that God could produce a “biological” son, one that comes through some sort of an asexual reproductive process and in that manner the son is the actual, literal offspring of God? If yes, do you think that the pre-existent Son who all things were created through came that way? If no, why notreposted for your convenience Gene, please answer this:
Gene,
Please tell us what is the name of the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON referred to here as spoken by Jesus:
John 3:16
For God so loved the world that He gave the only begotten Son, so that everyone believing in Him should not perish, but should have eternal life.17For God did not send His Son into the world that He might judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.18The one believing in Him is not judged, but the one not believing already has been judged, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19And this is the judgement, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light; for their deeds were evil. 20For everyone practicing evil hates the Light and does not come to the Light, so that his works may not be exposed; 21but the one practicing the truth comes to the Light, that his works may be manifest as having been done in God.”
LU…..Yes God did give his “only” begotten Son ” from the grave into the kingdom of God, that whosever believes “IN HIM”, Should not parish but have eternal life. Question to you is, who is the “him” mentioned there, Is it The man Jesus, or God the Father?, second thing is this, at the time that was said, Jesus was the “only “begotten” , son, but where does it say the “only” son at’. Fact is it dosen’t say, the “only” son, or that would make the scriptures a coutradiction, why because scriptures says, there existed many sons of God in the past, and even Adam is called “the son of God”. Even Jesus told us not to call any man our Father on earth, because he said “one is your Father who is in heaven”. He taught us to pray , “OUR” FATHER, who is in heaven” right? So it is obvious Jesus is not the “ONLY” son of God right, That is if you “Truly” BELIEVE Jesus. So the question remains for you as well as the rest here , do you ““TRULY” believe Jesus? And God the Father also?
LU IF YOU ARE GOUNG to inturpet scriptures they must fit “all scriptures” , because in the sum of scriptures is the truth . You can’t just take a single senteance and force it to trump all the other scriptures that are in our text, as all false religions do.
Peace and love to you and yours LU………..gene
Hi Gene,
You: 20, for (because)
you are brought with a price:
Me: Cont. from my last post!
YES, Gene, I’M AFRAID, my reply to your post is still not complete as there are more to rebut than you think, in relation to those two particular verses in 1 Corinthians 6!
YOU MENTIONED QUITE A NUMBER OF VITAL ISSUES, IRONICALLY, ONLY TO DEBUNK ALL YOUR OWN CORRUPTED BELIEF, BY WHICH YOU CONFIRMED THAT
JESUS CHRIST, FOR YOU, IS SIMPLY NON-EXISTENT WITH RESPECT TO HIS UNIQUE
REDEMPTION TASK FOR HUMANITY!
You never mentioned His name not even ONCE in your comment. THE FACT THAT YOU LEFT OUT VERSE 15, KNOWING THAT BY DOING SO IT WOULD SIMPLY CONTRADICT YOUR BELIEF DESPITE THE FACT THAT, ALL WHAT THOSE TWO VERSES CLEARLY AND EMPHATICALLY SAY, WAS ONLY POSSIBLE TO BE ACHIEVED BY JESUS’ OWN BLOOD, PRECISELY, ATTENTION Gene, PLEASE:
THE GREAT PRICE!
BY WHICH THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE WAS BOUGHT, OK Gene,
Now your belief Gene, is that Jesus IS NOT THE FATHER’S SUBSTANCE/blood as the Father is only a spirit. On the other hand, you call God the Father, your Father, and at the same time, you never accept the fact that ONLY JESUS MADE IT POSSIBLE FOR HUMANITY TO BE CHILDREN OF GOD THE FATHER, AND
JESUS IS DIRECTLY OUR GOD and FATHER,
Ephesians 4:4 One body and one Spirit; as you are called in one hope of your calling.
5One Lord, one faith, one baptism.
6 One God and Father of all,
who is above all, and through all, and in us all.
Hebrews 2:13And again: I will put my trust in him. And again:
Behold I and my children,
whom God hath given me.
WITHOUT JESUS WE CAN ACHIEVE NOTHING, WE ARE JUST MERE ORDINARY EARTHLY BRANCHES, SATANIC GOOD ONLY TO BE THROWN INTO FIRE, WHILE JESUS IS NOT A MERE ORDINARY VINE, HE WAS NEVER A BRANCH LIKE US, I REPEAT:
SATANIC GOOD TO BE THROWN INTO FIRE,
BUT SENT FROM GOD THE FATHER, THE HUSBANDMAN, AS
THE TRUE VINE! John15:5
You: therefore glorify “GOD”, in your
“BODY ,
Me: Gene answer WHO GAVE US OUR SANCTIFIED NEW BODY?
NO, you don’t answer simply as it destroys all your belief! Read:
Luke22:19 And taking bread, he gave thanks, and brake; and gave to them, saying:
This is my body, WHICH IS GIVEN FOR YOU….
Gene, now answer, WHEN DID JESUS GAVE US HIS BODY?
NO YOU DON’T! I TELL YOU:
ON HIS RESURRECTION! READ:
John20:17 Go and tell my BRETHREN…
1 Peter1:3 Blessed be THE God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
Gene, answer, WHAT THE ARTICLE “THE” OF TITLE
“THE” GOD AND FATHER,…. MEANS TO YOU?
who according to his great mercy hath REGENERATED US unto a lively hope,
by the RESURRECTION of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4Unto an inheritance incorruptible,(BODY) and undefiled, and that can not fade,
RESERVED in heaven for you.
You: “AND ” IN YOUR SPIRIT ,
AGAIN, Gene, WHO GAVE US OUR NEW SPIRIT!
John1:33 And I knew him not; but he who sent me to baptize with water, said to me: He upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining upon him,
he it is that baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.
Acts 2:38 But Peter said to them: Do penance, and be baptized every one of you
in the name of Jesus Christ,
for the remission of your sins: and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Romans 8:9 But you are not in the flesh, but in the spirit,
if so be that the Spirit of God dwells in you.
Now if any man has not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
You:
Carmel……if your relationship with God the Father is not, “exactly” as Jesus’ is, you have not the Father or the Son either.
Gene, THE TRUTH IS THAT WHATEVER RELATIONSHIP I HAVE WITH JESUS, IS ALSO THE SAME RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD THE FATHER!
John10:30 I and the Father are one.
Jesus showed us the way to have that right relationship with the Father who is the “ONLY” TRUE GOD.
NO Gene, AS I TOLD YOU FURTHER UP,
JESUS DIDN’T SHOW US THE WAY!
READ AND ACCEPT THE TRUTH FOR ONCE!
John 14:6 Jesus saith to him:
I am the way,
and the truth,
and the life.
No man cometh to the Father, but by me.
JESUS, Gene, IS THE ACTUAL WAY HIMSELF!
HE GAVE US HIS SPIRIT,
HE GAVE US HIS FLESH!
AND THE MOST VITAL
HE GAVE US IN HIMSELF
OUR GOD AND FATHER IN FLESH AND BLOOD
Now you know what your prayers aren’t answered Carmel,
you have made Jesus your God.
MY PRAYERS ARE WELL HEARD MORE THAN YOU THINK Gene, FOR THE SIMPLE REASON THAT
WHEN I ACCEPTED JESUS AS MY GOD AND FATHER IN FLESH AND BLOOD
I ACCEPTED ALSO GOD THE FATHER IN SPIRIT AND TRUTH IN EVERY SENSE!
SCRIPTURE:
Matthew 10:40 He that receiveth you, receiveth me:
and he that RECEIVETH ME, receiveth him that sent me.
John12:44But Jesus cried, and said:
He that believeth in me,
doth not believe in me,
but in him that sent me.
45And he that seeth me, seeth him that sent me.
John14:7If you had known me, you would, without doubt,
have known my Father also:
and from henceforth you shall know him,
and you have seen him.
9 Jesus saith to him: Have I been so long a time with you; and have you not known me?
Philip, he that seeth me seeth the Father also.
How sayest thou, Shew us the Father?
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Gene,
There is a manner in which Jesus is the only begotten Son. It wasn’t from the dead. He was the only begotten Son that was the only begotten son who existed before he was sent into the world and therefore before he died.
What is that son’s name, Gene?
You: LU…..Yes God did give his “only” begotten Son ” from the grave into the kingdom of God, that whosever believes “IN HIM”, Should not parish but have eternal life.
Question to you is, who is the “him” mentioned there, Is it The man Jesus, or God the Father?,
ME: YOU NEVER ACCEPT JESUS AS THE TRUTH AND HIS WORDS.
READ AGAIN WHAT I JUST POSTED:
READ AND ACCEPT THE TRUTH FOR ONCE!
John 14:6 Jesus saith to him:
I am the way,
and the truth,and the life.
DOES THT ABOVE MEAN NOTHING TO YOU Gene? keep on reading please:
No man cometh to the Father, but by ME.
WHAT THE PRONOUN “ME” STANDS FOR Mr. GENIOUS!
JESUS, Gene, IS THE ACTUAL WAY HIMSELF!
HE GAVE US HIS SPIRIT,
HE GAVE US HIS FLESH!
AND THE MOST VITAL
HE GAVE US IN HIMSELFOUR GOD AND FATHER IN FLESH AND BLOOD
WHEN A PERSON ACCEPTS JESUS AS HIS GOD AND FATHER IN FLESH AND BLOOD
HE, IN ONE INSTANT, ACCEPTS ALSO GOD THE FATHER IN SPIRIT AND TRUTH IN EVERY SENSE!PLUS THAT THE FATHER ONLY ACCEPTS THAT PARTICULAR PERSON WHO ONLY
ACCEPTS JESUS FIRST,
HIS FIRST LOVE! FOR THE SAKE OF THE FATHER!
IF JESUS IS FIRST THE FATHER ALSO IS FIRST,
NOT AS YOUR CORRUPTED CARNAL-MINDED MENTALITY SAYS!
WELL ASSERTED IN THE SCRIPTURES HEREUNDER:
Matthew 10:40 He that receiveth you, receiveth ME:
and he that RECEIVETH ME, receiveth him that sent me.
John12:44But Jesus cried, and said:
He that believeth in me,
doth not believe in me,
but in him that sent me.
John 10:30 I AND MY FATHER ARE ONE!
NO JESUS NO GOD Gene, for humanity!
45And he that seeth me, seeth him that sent me.
NO JESUS NO GOD Gene, for humanity!
John14:7If you had known me, you would, without doubt,
have known my Father also:
and from henceforth you shall know him,
and you have seen him.
NO JESUS NO GOD Gene, for humanity!
9 Jesus saith to him: Have I been so long a time with you; and have you not known me?
Philip, he that seeth me seeth the Father also.
How sayest thou, Shew us the Father?
NO JESUS NO GOD Gene, for humanity!
You: scriptures says, there existed many sons of God in the past, and even Adam is called “the son of God”.
YOU ARE QUITE RIGHT Gene,
NOW ANSWER PLEASE IF YOU REALLY BELIEVE IN THE TRUTH:
IN WHAT STATE ADAM WAS CREATED AS THE SON OF GOD?
IN WHAT STATE, AND WHO IN THE PAST WAS CALLED THE SON OF GOD?
IN WHAT STATE DID JESUS ENTER THE WORLD AS THE SON OF GOD?
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Carmel…….Jesus said, (not me), “no man can come to me, “EXCEPT THE FATHER DRAW HIM”. ENTERESTING , Jesus says one thing you say another!, Jesus said that it was the “power” of God, reavealing the truth in a persons mind, that he would build the church on,
Scripture say, (not me)…. “God”, so loved the world that “HE” gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believes in him, “should not” , parish, but have life everlasting.”
If you notice the words , “that whosoever “believes in him”, and understands that it is God himself that “reaveals Jesus to us “in our minds”, and hearts, and thereby draws us to Jesus, to be forgiven. Through “his,” “God the Fathers”, sacriffice of his son Jesus, then you might understand that it is God the Fathers work , He is the “only” true savior, the man Jesus would not even exist at all, without God the Father in the first place.
God the Father gives “His” Glory to no man”, “He is also a Jealous God”,
You have replaced your God with the man Jesus, forgetting these words, your not even able to remember what Jessus clearly said himself, like , “i always do the things that please the Father”, and again, “the son of man came not to do “his” will, but the will of “him”, who sent him”, and again, ” the Son of man can do “NOTHING” of himself”. And again, “the Father is “greater” then me, and again, the words i am telling are “not ” my, words, but the words of him who sent me’, and again, “not my will, but thy will be done, and again , “i am going to my God and your God , my Father and your Father, and on and on it gose,
Face the truth Carmel, you “really ” don’t even believe What Jesus says do you? You have transformed Jesus into your God, turning the “image” of him into a “man of sin”, Exactly as 2ths2. Says , and except you repent, you and others like you, will pay the price for doing that. IMO.
Peace and love to you and yours Carmel,,.,……gene
Gene
The thread here is:
Did God create all things through the Lord Jesus Christ?
The ANSWER IS YES.
THE KING JAMES BIBLE IS RIGHT.
For 👉 BY HIM were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers:
👉 all things were created BY HIM, and FOR HIM:
[17] And he is before all things, and 👉 BY HIM all things consist.(Colossians 2:16,17)
Hi Gene,
You:CARMEL…..Yes thoise who have the “anointing” spirit “in” them are indeed members of CHRIST, OR THE “ANOINTED” ONES, THE SAME AS jesus is. We are his brothers, or haven’t you ever read, ” Jesus christ, the first born of “many” brethern”.
Gene, I’m afraid YOU ARE miles away from JESUS’PROCESS IN RELATION TO HIS REDEMPTION WHICH
JESUS, “THE WORD” THE SON OF MAN, FROM THE CROSS BECAME
THE SOLE PROPRIETOR OF ALL SOULS, NO MATTER WHO AND WHAT.
AT ALL COSTS!
John8:35 Now the servant abideth not in the house for ever;
but the son abideth forever.
36If therefore the son shall make you free,
you shall be free indeed.
NOW THERE’S ONLY ONE UNIQUE TASK FROM OUR SIDE, IN ORDER FOR GOD THE FATHER TO DRAW US TO JESUS CHRIST AND THAT IS
THAT WE MUST ACCEPT FIRST AND FOREMOST
“THE WORD” JESUS, THE SON OF MAN, OUR ORIGINAL SPIRIT FROM THE BEGINNING, FIRST IN LUCIFER, SINCE WE ARE LUCIFER’SREMNANTS, AND THEN IN ADAM ALSO THE BEGINNING, THE FIRST LIVING SOUL, WHERE WE AS ALL SOULS WERE ALL IN ADAM.
THUS IT’S ONLY UP TO US, WHETHER WE RECEIVE THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST, BUT FIRST AND FOREMOST I REPEAT
WE MUST ACCEPT LOVE OUR FIRST LOVE
“THE WORD” JESUS, THE SON OF MAN, OUR ORIGINAL SPIRIT.
THEN BY HIM, AND IN HIM, WE WOULD BE IN THE POSITION TO RECEIVE THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST !
JOHN14:15If you love me, keep MY commandments.
YOU MUST MAINTAIN JESUS’COMMANDMENTS, NOT MOSES’ READ THE NEXT VERSE NOW:
21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them;
he it is that loveth ME.
And he that loveth me,
shall be loved of my Father:
ALWAYS JESUS FIRST AND FOREMOST!
Gene, GET THIS CLEAR IN YOUR MIND: NO JESUS NO FATHER!ATTENTION PLEASE:
and I will love him,
and will manifest myself to him.
ALWAYS JESUS FIRST!
I, NOT THE FATHER, WILL MANIFEST MYSELF TO HIM!
NOW TO THE NEXT VITAL TRUTH READ:
AS JESUS CHRIST
23 Jesus answered, and said to him:
If any one love me,
he will keep MY WORD,
JESUS’SPIRIT THROUGH THE PRACTICE OF JESUS’GOSPEL! CARRY ON READING PLEASE:
and my Father will love him,
THERE IT IS Gene, AS CLEAR AS CRYSTAL “THE WORD” JESUS, THE SON OF MAN AS
A SPIRIT! NOW ATENTION AGAIN PLEASE:
and WE will come to him,
and will make our abode with him.
AS JESUS CHRIST
GODMAN!
NOW READ HEREUNDER PLEASE:
James 1:21 Wherefore casting away all uncleanness, and abundance of naughtiness,
with meekness receive the ENGRAFTED word,
which is able to save your souls.
NOW ANSWER AND TELL ME IF YOU REALLY BELIEVE IN
THE TRUTH!
WHY IS THE WORD
” ENGRAFTED” IS USED?
JUST TO MAKE IT SIMPLE TO YOU READ HEREUNDER:
1721. emphutos
Definition: innate, implanted
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Carmel…….Again you prove you “really” don’t believe what Jesus actually said, so i will quote him again for you ok? JESUS SAID (Not me)…….“the words i am telling you are “Not” My Words, but the words, of “him”, who sent me”. And again, “the son of man can do “nothing” of himself” the Father who is “in ” him “HE” does the works”. and again, the son of man came not into the world to do “HIS WILL” but the “Will of him”, who sent him”.
First get that clear in your head before you start telling people anything abought Jesus, ok? “O” and while your at it get this Jesus said also straight, (not me). “this is eternal Father, that they might come to know “YOU” the “ONLY” true God, and Jesus whom you have sent”. Again Jesus said (not me), “tell them, “I am going to “my” Father and “your” Father, “my” God, and “your” God.”. And again, Jesus said (not me), “I, am the root and offspring of David”. and again, Jesus said (not me) ” thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on earth as in heaven, for thine is the kingdom , Glory and the power forever”. and again, Jesus said (not me), “he that believes ,on me, greater works then i do shall he do, because i go to the Father”.
Trust me Carmel you and other false teachers like you don’t “truly” believe, Jesus, nor what he actually says do you? Sad!
Peace and love to you and yours Carmel…………gene
Berean…..”God the Father created every thing that exists, he created the physical universe, earth, and everything in it himself, for his human creation, And Jesus is the First human being, to inhearit it, the first of many? The “man” Jesus is the first “of the human race to reach the Perfection , God had and has in mind fore all of us, humans, He is the “protype” of the whole “human race” the finish product , of God’s purpose and plan for us all, the first, but by no means the “only”. Just as it say , “he is the first of, “MANY” BRETHERN.
Berean, you would know these things if you “truly”, “believed” Jesus. IMO.
Peace and love to you and yours Berean…………..gene
Gêne
Berean…..”God the Father created every thing that exists, he created the physical universe, earth, and everything in it himself, for his human creation, And Jesus is the First human being, to inhearit it, the first of many?
Me
You’re wasting your time trying to convince me of your half-truths which are ultimately lies.
Jesus is not just a man, for if he had been, he would have been A SINNER in need of a saviour.
But Jesus is the SAVIOR OF THE WORLD. HE WAS GOD IN THE BEGINNING, AND HE WAS MADE FLESH AND Dwelt AMONG US.Hi Gene,
You: Carmel…….Again you prove you “really” don’t believe what Jesus actually said, so i will quote him again for you ok?
ME: WHAT YOU POSTED Gene, are not Jesus’ own words but yours according to your corrupted mentality simply to reject Jesus as THE TRUE GOD ON EARTH! READ
1John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come:
and he hath given us understanding that we may know THE TRUE GOD,
and may be in his true Son.
This is the true God and life eternal.
Gene, the Son of God is COME!!! THAT CONFIRMS THAT JESUS
PRE-EXISTED! ETERNALLY ONE SUBSTANCE WITH THE FATHER Hebrews 1:3, and THE ONLY IMAGE OF GOD!
BEFORE THE WORLD WAS ! John17:5
THERE IS NO SCRIPTURE THAT DECLARES THAT GOD THE FATHER IS THE ONLY TRUE GOD ON EARTH, EXCEPT BY
JESUS HIMSELF, THE TRUTH HIMSELF.
THE FATHER AS A SPIRIT IS NOT IN THE POSITION TO MANIFEST HIMSELF AS THE ONLY TRUE GOD,
You: JESUS SAID (Not me)…….“the words i am telling you are “Not” My Words, but the words, of “him”, who sent me”.
THERE ARE NO SUCH SCRIPTURE Gene!
now read the scripture:
John14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me?
IN THE ABOVE Gene, JESUS CONFIRMED THAT BOTH THE FATHER AND JESUS ARE TWO IN ONE FLESH AND BLOOD BODY IN FULL HARMONY!
ONE, JESUS, TANGIBLE, AND ONE, THE FATHER, SPIRIT, HIDDEN WITHIN.
NO JESUS NO FATHER
NO FATHER NO JESUS
NOW TO YOUR FIRST CONFUSION:
the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself:
IN THE ABOVE JESUS SIMPLY DECLARED AND CONFIRMED THAT
“THE WORDS” PLURAL, A CLEAR REFERENCE TO THE GOSPEL,
ARE NOT OF HIMSELF, ARE NOT HIS ORIGIN!
JESUS DIDN’T INVENT THE GOSPEL! CARRY ON READING:
but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
THE GOSPEL Gene, is THE WORK OF THE FATHER, WHICH CONFIRMS THAT THE FATHER IS NOT IN THE POSITION TO
PROCLAIM HIMSELF HIS OWN GOSPEL.
You: And again, “the son of man can do “nothing” of himself” the Father who is “in ” him “HE” does the works”.
there is no such scripture!
Gene, THE FATHER CANNOT DO ANYTHING OF HIMSELF AND BY HIMSELF ON EARTH, as long as Satan is on earth! ATTENTION Gene,
IN ORDER TO CONFIRM THAT HE IS THE ONLY TRUE GOD!
You: and again, the son of man came not into the world to do “HIS WILL” but the “Will of him”,
who sent him”.
Me: THAT’S RIGHT Gene, JESUS PRE-EXISTED AND
JESUS THE MAN WAS SENT FROM THE FATHER AND PERFORMED
THE FATHER’S WILL!
NOW READ WHAT JESUS SAID:
John17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth:
GENE, AS CLEAR AS CRYSTAL, THE FATHER CANNOT DO TO ANYTHING ALL BY HIMSELF!
JESUS, THE SON OF MAN, GLORIFIED THAT FATHER ON EARTH!
I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
GENE, AGAIN, AS CLEAR AS CRYSTAL, THE FATHER CANNOT DO TO ANYTHING ALL BY HIMSELF!
JESUS, THE SON OF MAN, DID ALL THE FATHER’S WORK!
NO JESUS NO FATHER
NO FATHER NO JESUS!
5And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
THERE YOU ARE AGAIN Gene:
THE PERFECT HARMONY BETWEEN THE FATHER AND THE SON!
NOW Gene,
YOU First get that clear in your head before you start telling people anything a bought
YOUR OWN Jesus, ok?
MORE TO COME!
PEACE AND LOVE IN JESUS CHRIST
Carmel…….you simply do not believe Jesus, nor what he says either , what you believe is your own corupted version of Jesus, just as Jesus said would come, (not me)….”many” will come in my name saying i am the Crist and decieve “many” . If you actually believed him and his words, you would know what i quoted you were not “my” words but Jesus actually himself said.
Pick any of those scripture quoted word i have written of what Jesus said (not me) and show us where i have misquoted them, fact is you can’t , so the question remains Carmel, do you “truly” believe what Jesus “actually” said, or your “own” twisted renditions of his words?
Please quote “exactly” what Jesus “himself”says, not you distorted remditions of them, if you can ok?
Peace and love to you and your Carmel……….gene
Proclaimer, “Anyone who teaches that Jesus Christ did not exist with God in the beginning of creation is denying what the scriptures teach. Anyone who denies that God created all things through the son of God is also denying what the scriptures teach.”
Jesus absolutely did not pre-exist in the beginning of creation and those who believe such not only misinterpret scripture but also make scriptures contradict one another making the bible then not reliable and thus not believable either.
Moreover I will add that such a belief that Jesus pre-existed affects the reasoning given to us by YHVH regarding our redemption. The teaching that God sent a pre-existing son to earth to save mankind is a totally worthless doctrine in my opinion. The truth is so much more meaningful, enlightening and empowering to our trust in God and our desire for the fruits of His Spirit.
Romans 5
1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: 2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;
4 And patience, experience; and experience, hope:
5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.
6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.
8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
13 For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam’s transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.
17 For if by one man’s offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.
18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
19 For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.Isaiah 42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my Spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.
6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;
Romans 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God*, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
Ephesians 5:9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth😉
John 3:34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him. 35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.
HI JODI
IF JESUS WAS JUST A MAN, HE NEVER COULD HAVE BEEN THE SAVIOR OF THE WORLD.
JESUS WAS AND IS MUCH MORE THAN A MAN: HE IS THE DIVINE SON OF GOD BEGOTTEN IN THE DAYS OF ETERNITY AND MADE FLESH PRINCIPALLY FOR OUR SALVATION.
IF HE HAD BEEN BUT A MAN, HE WOULD HAVE BEEN UNDER CONDEMNATION OF DIVINE LAW, AND NEVER COULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO TAKE UP THE SINS OF SINNING MANKIND AND DIE TO SAVE THE WORLD.THINK ABOUT IT, JODI
The above scriptures tell us that only by ONE HUMAN could we be redeemed and there is good reason for that, reason that makes perfect sense. The Son of Man, Jesus Christ, as he sits now at God’s right hand is a firstborn of many brethren having been raised from the dead receiving the promised Holy Spirit. Where the Spirit is there is righteousness and life we are told. We are also told that that those who are led by the Spirit of God are the Sons of God. We too are given a resurrection and the promised Holy Spirit where we will be led by that Spirit to walk in ALL of God’s ways. We will be joint heirs with Christ, heirs of God’s Spirit, hence why Jesus is called a firstborn of the dead and the firstborn of many brethren.
Prior, Jesus was the ONLY MORTAL HUMAN to have received the Spirit not by measure, an Only Begotten Son, called to righteousness sent out into the world, being sent directly from God thus sent coming down from heaven. Jesus anointed of the Spirit gave proof that the Spirit does in fact bring forth righteousness unto a human, that it does over power the carnal mind causing man to walk in all of God’s ways.
We saw proof that a human begotten of God’s Spirit without measure could conquer the carnal mind and live without sin becoming a human thus worthy of eternal life. Our redemption only works if Jesus was a human in everyway just like us. Jesus said only God is good. Jesus said he could do nothing of himself, all credit goes to the Spirit of God resting in a Son of Man.
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