Did God create all things through the Lord Jesus Christ?

[Berean]

Gene

 

There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death. (Proverbes 14:12)

This IS your cas Gene.

Jésus IS the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
[16] For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
[17] And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.(Colossians 1:15:17) 

And he(Jesus) is before all things, and by him all things consist. 

AMEN !

PAUL SAID THE TRUTH.

 

[GeneBalthrop]

Berean……..Dosen’t scripture say that we “also” are made in the “image” of God?    Why do you say to me, there is a way that seems right?   When that is exactly what you people are doing, i have quotes over and over direct scriptures many of them, which were not my words but the very words of Jesus himself,  so when you say that about me , you are realky saying that about Jesus , because i was only “quoting” him, what “he” said not me. 

Berean you still are a “novice” when it comes to the word of God and Jesus also, and scriptures say that we should not suffer a “novice” to teach, LEST HE GET PUFFED UP. 

IF YOU WANT TO DISPROVE WHAT I HAVE SAID, then do it,  by showing where the scriptures don’t say “exactly”,  what i have said, instead of just, thinking trashing my charter will work.

Peace and love to you and yours……….gene

[Danny Dabbs]

What is the freemasonic conspiracy in our christian circles?
The freemasons are saying that there are two different Gods in the Bible.
Yahweh vs El.
That’s basically what they are doing Y
But they are liars!
Even Gadam123 spread this lie. Intentionally? I don’t know.
Yahweh is El! (2 Samuel 22:32)
Whether He is a Trinitarian, Binitarian or Unitarian God.
He is the one God of the Bible.

[Berean]

Gene

I HAVE QUOTED YOU COLOSSIANS 1 TO SHOW YOU THAT JESUS IS BEFORE ALL THINGS AND THAT THROUGH HIM ALL THINGS SUBSIST.

….all things were created by him, and for him:
[17] And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

This IS THE WORD OF GOD.

 

[carmel]

Gene,

You: Dosen’t scripture say that we “also” are made in the “image” of God? 

Hebrews:1:3Who being the brightness of his (FATHER’S)  glory,

and the express image of his (FATHER’S) person, 

and upholding all things by the word of his (FATHER’S) power,…

ANSWER Gene

DO YOU ACCEPT THE ABOVE SCRIPTURE AS I MADE CLEAR TO YOU TO MAKE SURE YOU SEE THE TRUTH?

YES OR NO PLEASE!

LET’S SAY YOU DID ACCEPT, AS I DON’T KNOW WHETHER YOU ANSWER TO THIS POST OR NOT AS YOU DID ON THE PREVIOUS PAGE,

JESUS IS

THE EXPRESS IMAGE OF HIS FATHER’S PERSON!

EXPRESS: 5481  CHARAKTER (figuratively) an exact impression (likeness)

which also reflects INNER character.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all

the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

AS YOU CAN WELL READ, JESUS IS PRECISELY GOD IN A UNIQUE HUMAN PERSON, AS THE FATHER IS ONLY A SPIRIT!

 

Romans 8: 29For whom he foreknew,

he also predestinated to be made conformable to

the image of his Son;

In the above, you also can well read that

THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE WOULD EVENTUALLY BE MADE

COMFORMABLE TO THE IMAGE OF

JESUS 

Cognate: 4832 sýmmorphos – properly, conformed,

by sharing the same INNER essence-identity (form);

YOU:Dosen’t scripture say that

we “also” are made in the “image” of God? 

Me: YES Gene, you are perfectly right!

in view of the above,

THE ONLY IMAGE GOD HAS IS PRECISELY

JESUS

ALSO, THE ONLY IMAGE WE AS HUMANS HAVE IS DEFINITELY  OF 

GOD HUMAN JESUS!

PURE TRUTH

NOW READ:

John17:21 That they all may be one, as thou, Father, in me, and I in thee;

that they also may be one in us;

that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

IN THE ABOVE JESUS ASSERTED THAT ONLY

HE IS 

ONE SUBSTANCE WITH AND IN THE FATHER!

IN ORDER FOR THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE BE

ALL IN JESUS AND ALSO IN THE FATHER!

Confirmed by Jesus in

John15:4 Abide in me, and I in you.

As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abide in the vine,

so neither can you, unless you abide in me.

 5I am the vine; you the branches:

I REPEAT Gene:

YOU ARE A MERE BRANCH

AND YOU REMAIN A MERE BRANCH AS LONG AS YOU REMAIN IN YOUR OWN

CORRUPTED BELIEFE THAT

JESUS IS A MERE BRANCH ALSO!

he that abideth in me, and I in him, the same beareth much fruit:

for without me you can do nothing. 

ABSOLUTELY NOTHING  AND REMAIN A MERE BRANCH ONLY GOOD TO PUT INTO FIRE, AND BURN!

JOHN15:6If any one abide not in me, he shall be cast forth as a branch, and shall wither, and they shall gather him up, and cast him into the fire, and he burneth.

Cont, John17: 22And the glory which thou hast given me, I have given to them;

that they may be one, as we also are one:

ATTENTION Gene:

23I in them,

and thou in me;

that they may be made perfect in one:

JESUS CHRIST GODMAN

 

ANSWER: DO YOU ACCEPT THIS PURE TRUTH!

peace and love in Jesus Christ

[Proclaimer]

Isn’t it funny when some argue against this topic titled:

Did God create all things through the Lord Jesus Christ?

And try and justify it using the Bible while ignoring the following verse along with many others that say the same thing.

Hebrews 1:1-2
1 In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways,
2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe.

Did you think we would forget these verses because of your weak arguments?

Lol. Not a chance.

@gadam123 has an excuse because he is not a Believer.

@genebalthrop has no excuse however.

[Proclaimer]

Adam….. What you said in your last post is apsolutly correct. IF WHAT THEY SAY about Jesus is true then it would mean “nothing” to any real human being at all, we could never relate with him on a “real human level”, it would just be like a carnavial game of smoke and mirrors . God playing deception games with humanity.

Incorrect. I am a normal human being and so are many who also believe that Jesus Christ is the real son of God who came to earth on a mission to destroy the works of evil in our world. The universe is a very big place and all people die and their spirit leaves their body. There is much more going on in reality than earthly mindedness. You arguments gene are triggered by emotion and wilful blindness of many scriptures. These things i talk about are spiritual minded, but you really do need to be born of the Spirit to understand. Carnality will never go beyond this world.

[GeneBalthrop]

Proclaimer……Until you truly understand what the word (dia)  in the Greek language truly means you are stuck right where you are,  even though there are many other scriptures that clarify it.  Fact is you and many here relate with Jesus on a higharcy level, and are truly unable to relate with him on a real human level.  YOUR DOING EXACTLY WHAT Satan wants you to do,  “move Jesus idenity away from his human brothers and sisters”   make him different then we are, good job,  Satan loves you for that, thats exacly what he wants you to do.  

Tell me, seening you act like Jesus is completely different then we are, by using this scripture, ” in times past God Spoke to us by the Prophets, but in these latter days , has spoken to us by a Son”,  where does that make Jesus any different then we (true believers are). 

Jesus said, (not me), “call no man you Father on earth, but one is your Father, who is in heaven”  so tell us how does Jesus being a Son of God , make him “any” different then anyone else , Even Adam is called the Son of God.  Did not Jesus teach us to pray “this way”?, “OUR FATHER , who is in heaven?  Interesting, you teachings seperate Jesus from the rest of humanity, but Jesus’ teaching connects him with us.  So again please explain to us who The scripture saying God spoke to us in the ratter days “through a Son”,  make Jesus any different the we who believe are?

You attack those who understand,  that Jesus is one of us, “human being 100%,”, and try in everyway to make him different then we are, i wonder where that teaching comes from ?,  “O” ,   i know, Satan sure love that teaching,  seening he is the one who invented it,  2Ths 2,  it’s all there for those who have eyes to see.

HERE IS ANOTHER ONE FOR YOU, tell us this in what way did it “behove Jesus”, To be made like his brothers and sisters? How did Jesus benifit to be made like me ?  

Heb 2;17……wherefore in all things it “Behoved him”, to be made like his brethern, why did it behove him?,  heres why , “that he might be a merciful and faithful “HIGH PRIEST” in things pertaining to God. Why., so he could make reconciliations for the sins of the people. Being a high preist does not mean you “prexisted”,  your birth on this earth now does it?  High Preist are taken from mankind, not preexisting beings who are in heaven and decend down andxare “morphed” into a human body , to decieve people who they really are, as you peach Jesus as being? 

This is just one of the many, many  scriptures that tell us why it is so important to view Jesus as one of us human being , in “every”  way, , God took him from humanity, just as prophesied by Moses, He would come from one of the Tribes of Israel., Jesus was from the Roots of Jessey, and was an ofspring of King David, a Jew,  exactly he said he was, in Rev 22;17.

Question remains, Proclaimer do you “truly”, believe who Jesus said he was ?

Peace and love to you and yours Proclaimer…………gene

 

[GeneBalthrop]

Berean……..AGAIN like i told Proclaimer, You need to understand what the word “before” really means and implies,  in the actual Greek language.   It means first in place, of importance , not first in “existence”, as you people fasley preach.   Check it out you might learn something.

Peace and love to you and yours Berean…………..gene

[GeneBalthrop]

.Carme………Trying to keep it simple,  please show ma a single scripture (without changing the text) that says these exact words,  “JESUS CHRIST GODMAN”.  SHOW ME ONE SCRIPTURE where Jesus ever said he was,  “a God or Godman”  , In all the  the bible both new or old testements. 

I will show you scriptures without changing then that says Just the oppsite  like this ,  ” Father this is eternal life that they may come to know “YOU”, THE,  “ONLY” TRUE God”…… 

Again, “the son of man” can do “nothing of himself” the Father who is “in” him he does the work” .

Again,  “but unto us (true believers) there is but “ONE” God, And one mediation between God and men, the “MAN” Jesus Christ”. 

Thats what real scripture says,  but, The words that you tell us,  are your own words,  scriptures you add your thoughts to, FORCING OUR TEXT TO SAY WHAT IN FACT,  ONLY YOU AND OTHER FALSE TEACHERS ARE SAYING.  Thanks but i will believe what scriptures say not you and your rendition of them. “O”,  and by the way,  the Branches of a vine are made of the exact same material the whole vine is , in fact the vine started of as a branch,  I know that for a fact, I owned vineyards for many years, and will garentee you  , all, vines come from branches .  JESUS CAME FROM MANKIND, WHO CAME FROM GOD.  just that simple for those who know the truth.  The only difference of a vine is , it’s DNA, WHICH God made us all from,  Jesus was made from the root stock of Jessy, and his DNA, camr from the  line of King David.   As a result he is the very “offspring” of King David. A human being exactly like “all” human beings, without exception.  

Face it Carmel if you and others here can’t see Jesus as a “real hunan being” , you simply don’t see, the real Jesus at all.   Jesus had no other existence at all until he was born on this earth, as the man Child  Jesus who became the Christo’s,  of God,  after he was BPTIZED BY JOHN THE BAPTIST IN THE GORDAN RIVER.  Just as our scriptudres clearly shows.

Peace and love to you and yours………..gene

[carmel]

Hi Gene,

You: Carmel………Trying to keep it simple,  please show ma a single scripture (without changing the text)

that says these exact words,  “JESUS CHRIST GODMAN”.  

I PRODUCED LOADS OF EQUIVALENT SCRIPTURES THAT CLEARLY AND PLAINLY DECLARE THAT

JESUS CHRIST IS GODMAN AND SAVIOUR!

AND THOSE SCRIPTURES ARE NEVER SPECIFICALLY CONTRADICTED BY YOU AT ALL, THUS

YOU ACCEPTED PRECISELY ALL THE SCRIPTURES I PRODUCED!

You: Dosen’t scripture say that we “also” are made in

the “image” of God? 

Me: PRODUCE SCRIPTURE Gene,

WHICH SAYS WHAT  THE IMAGE OF GOD IS MADE OF?

JUST TO REMIND YOU:

GOD HAS NO IMAGE AS HE IS ONLY A SPIRIT WITHOUT ANY PHYSICAL PERSONAL APPEARANCE!

 

IMAGE: Definition

a visual representation of something:

YOU: I will show you scriptures without changing then that says Just the oppsite  like this ,  

” Father this is eternal life

that they may come to know

ME: EXPLAIN HOW Gene, ON THIS PLANET,

THEY WILL KNOW

THE ONLY TRUE GOD!

“YOU”, THE,  “ONLY” TRUE God”…… ?????????????????????????

WHAT HAPPENED Gene, YOU LEFT THE END OF THAT SCRIPTURE,

did you GO to the bathroom by any chance? HERE IT IS THE VITAL END! READ:

AND JESUS CHRIST, WHOM YOU HAVE SENT!

WHY DID THE FATHER SEND HIS SON?

WHY DIDN’T HE COME BY HIMSELF? 

WASN’T HE READY TO DIE AND SAVE US ALL BY HIMSELF?

Again, “the son of man” can do “nothing of himself” the Father who is “in” him he does the work” .

WHAT IS THE REASON THAT THE FATHER WAS IN JESUS?

Again,  “but unto us (true believers) there is but “ONE” God, And one mediation

between

God and men, the “MAN” Jesus Christ”. 

THAT’S RIGHT READ

GOD_GODMAN_MAN

 

ISAIAH 45:14 Thus saith the Lord: The labour of Egypt, and the merchandise of Ethiopia, and of Sabaim, men of stature

shall come over unto 

YOU

and shall be

YOURS:

ANSWER Gene,

TO WHOM THEY SHALL COME AND BECOME HIS?

they shall walk after YOU, (WHO)

they shall go bound with manacles:

and they shall worship YOU,(WHO)

and shall make supplication to YOU:(WHO)

only in YOU is God, and (WHO)

there is no GOD BESIDE YOU.(WHO)

15Verily thou art a hidden God,(WHO)

the God of Israel the SAVIOUR. (WHO)

 

Peace an love in Jesus Christ

 

[GeneBalthrop]

Carmel…….trust me you haven’t a clue what your talking about.   But you have informed me of one thing for sure,  you said we couldn’t know God  because he is Spirit,    “Wrong a million times wrong,”   in fact unless you know the Father himself,  you in no wise will know the Son either.  Because you can’t even come to the Son, unless the “Father draws you to him” , according to Jesus that is. 

Jesus said (not me),  luke 18:1-8,  pickibg up at verse 7-8…..“and shall not God avenge his own “elect” which cry  day and night unto “him” , though (will) he bear long with them,  (like the unjust Judge did?)  Verse 8….”I tell you that he will avange them “speedily”, Nevetheless when the son of man comes, shall he find “Faith” on the earth. 

In your case he won’t, because you don’t believe that the “invisable” God exists, you think he is Jesus,  but Jesus thinks he is someone else just as i also do. Who do you think Jesus was praying to, was it himself?,  Carmel you own words give you away, you have never had any actual experiences with God the Father,  have you? So no wounder you Don’t truly believe he actually exists, apart from Jesus.

God said,”you shall make “NO IMAGE” of me, in heaven  above or earth below or under the earth, “NO IMAGE” , but you have turned the “Image” of the “man”  Jesus into You God.  That makes you a true, transgressor of the words of God, an Idolatar, 2ths2 ,  fits you perfectly.  You have, by your false teachings turned the “IMAGE” of the “MAN” Jesus into YOUR “image of God, and fall down and worship him as your God.  TO BAD you don’t worship who Jesus worshiped as his God, and believe me it wasn’t himself he was worshiping. 

Had you ever had real experiences with God the Father himself , you would apsolutly know he is not Jesus, the anointed one.    When you confuse the Shepard of the Sheep, with the Owner of them , you can’t be of God.   Well at least i can see why you have to twist so many scriptures to make them fit your false belifes.

Peace and love to you and yours Carmel………….gene

[carmel]

Hi Gene,

YOU: Carmel…….trust me you haven’t a clue what your talking about.   

But you have informed me of one thing for sure,  you said

we couldn’t know God because he is Spirit, 

I DIDN’T SAY THAT JESUS SAID SO READ:

John17:3 Now this is eternal life:

That they MAY KNOW YOU,….

ANSWER Gene?

HOW ON THIS PLANET,

THEY MAY KNOW

THE ONLY TRUE GOD!

READ AGAIN:

Matthew 11:27 All things are delivered to me by my Father.

And no one knoweth the Son,

but the Father:

neither doth any one know the Father,

but the Son,

and he to whom it shall please

the Son to reveal him.

Gene unless the Son reveals the Father to you,

YOU WILL NEVER KNOW THE FATHER!

READ AGAIN:

John16:25 These things I have spoken to you in proverbs.

The hour cometh, when I will no more speak to you in proverbs,

but will show you plainly of the Father. 

You: “Wrong a million times wrong,”   in fact

unless you know the Father himself, 

you in no wise will know the Son either. 

 

NOW, DO YOU THINK THAT YOU HAVE A CLUE WHAT YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT!

 SO YOU KNOW THE FATHER THEN, NO?

READ AGAIN THE SCRIPTURES:

John14:6 Jesus saith to him: I am the way, and the truth, and the life.

No man cometh to the Father,

but by me.

Gene

NO JESUS NO FATHER FOR YOU!

Matthew 11:27 All things are delivered to me by my Father.

And no one knoweth the Son,

but the Father:

neither doth anyone know the Father,

but the Son,

and he to whom it shall please

the Son to reveal him.

Gene unless the Son reveals the Father to you,

YOU WILL NEVER KNOW THE FATHER!

IN FACT, THE ONLY FATHER YOU KNOW IS

THE FATHER OF LIES! THE DEVIL!

John8:44 You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and he stood not in the truth; because truth is not in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father thereof. 

 

READ AGAIN SO YOU KNOW HOW TO SEE THE FATHER:

John16:25 These things I have spoken to you in proverbs.

The hour cometh, when I will no more speak to you in proverbs,

but will show you plainly of the Father. 

You: Because you can’t even come to the Son,

unless the “Father draws you to him”

, according to Jesus that is. 

Carmel…….trust me you haven’t a clue what your talking about. 

BY THE LOOK OF IT,

IT IS YOU THAT HAVEN’T A CLUE WHAT YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT.

JUST EXPLAIN Gene: WHAT ON EARTH

“KNOWING THE FATHER HIMSELF ” 

HAS TO DO WITH

“THE FATHER DRAWS ME TO JESUS”

 

Please and love in Jesus Chrst

 

 

[Proclaimer]

Proclaimer……Until you truly understand what the word (dia)  in the Greek language truly means you are stuck right where you are,  even though there are many other scriptures that clarify it.  Fact is you and many here relate with Jesus on a higharcy level, and are truly unable to relate with him on a real human level.

You really talk a load of rubbish at times gene. It is the opposite. How can a being really judge if they haven’t been through a similar experience. Jesus Christ came in the flesh for this reason. He came down from Heaven, to live and suffer like us, die for us, so we can be resurrected to eternal life and share in his inheritance. As the firstborn of all creation, all things were made for him and through him. He wants to give us the kingdom. And we will be like him. All because became one of us and became our Adam. You simply do not believe the scriptures and words of Jesus. You have another message / gospel.

For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will of him who sent me; and this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up at the last day. For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in him should have eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?

In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways,
but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe.

[carmel]

Hi Gene,

You: In your case, he won’t because you don’t believe that the “invisable” God exists,

Me: I believe in the TRUTH, and THE TRUTH ON THIS PLANET IS ONLY ONE

JESUS! 

JESUS MANIFESTED GOD ON EARTH PHYSICALLY,

NO MATTER WHAT GOD DID ON EARTH, SATAN CLAIMS THAT HE DID THEM,

ON THE OTHER HAND, WHAT JESUS DID ON EARTH PHYSICALLY AS MAN, SATAN COULD NEVER PERFORM IN ANY WAY!

John 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth;

CAN YOU SEE THE TRUTH Gene, 

JESUS THE ONLY TRUE PHYSICAL GOD ON EARTH, 

THE ONLY WAY TO CONFIRM “THE TRUTH” TANGIBLY

GLORIFIED THE FATHER!

DO YOU KNOW  HOW?

JUST READ:

I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. 

NO JESUS NO FATHER ON THIS SATANIC EARTH Gene!

JUST KEEP ON READING:

5 And NOW glorify thou me, O Father, with thyself,

WHY NOW Gene?

ANSWER IF YOU KNOW THE FATHER!

FOR THE SIMPLE REASON THAT JESUS LEFT HIS FATHER BEFORE CREATION, LEFT HIS MOTHER AT HIS BIRTH, AND AS A HUMAN BEING, GODMAN, 

PROCLAIMED AND MANIFESTED THE FATHER AS THE ONLY TRUE GOD! BUT BY HIS OWN TANGIBLE WORK,

ONE SUBSTANCE WITH THE FATHER! 

THE ONLY PHYSICAL TANGIBLE EMBODIMENT OF GOD!

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the

Godhead corporeally;

NO JESUS NO GOD ON THIS PLANET, NEVERMIND THE ONLY TRUE GOD!

IN THE SAME WAY,

AS ALWAYS WAS FROM ETERNITY IN HEAVEN! CONFIRMED:

with the glory which I had,

AS THE EMBODIMENT OF GOD IN JESUS CHRIST!

before the world was, with thee.

You: you think he is Jesus,  but Jesus thinks he is someone else just as I also do.

DEFINITELY READ:

JESUS IS THE ONLY TRUE TANGIBLE GOD ON EARTH,

IN HEAVEN AND

UNDER THE EARTH!

THE HIGHEST EVER TRUE GOD!

BOTH SPIRIT AND FLESH

BOTH VISIBLE AND INVISIBLE 

GODMAN 

TILL THE LAST DAY OF THE LORD WHEN GOD WOULD BE ALL IN ALL

AS JESUS CHRIST!

GODMAN AND JESUS CHRIST WOULD BE IN THE ENTIRE CREATION AS

GODMEN!

asserted in

John 17:23  I in them,

and thou in me;

that they may be made perfect in one: 

Jesus Christ

 

Peace and love in Jesus Christ

[GeneBalthrop]

Carmel………Your completely screwed up brother,  your logic is unscripturial, and is most deffinetely not of the truth. YOU SCRAMBLE OURCSCRIPTURES TRYING DESPERTLY TO MAKE THEM WORK ACCORDING TO YOUR FALSE CONCLUSIONS.

Tell me this when Jesus said this (not me)…… “i am going to “MY” God and “your” God, “MY” Father and “your” Father”. According to your false teachings , Jesus was lying,  after all he was the only God right?, And when he said , this is eternal life, that they might know “YOU” THE “ONLY”, TRUE GOD, (and) Jesus who “YOU” have  sent. 

Carmel,  you haven’t even started to know the truth about Jesus or God the Father,  you have been completely brain washed by modern Christainity, blinded completely to the real truth of our scriptures, and even whatcJesus himself meant by the thing he said.  The words Godman Are found no where in any scripture in the entire bibke.  

I personely have had so many prayers answered in my life by praying to God the Father  himself, i could hardly count them all,  and I WASEN’T PRAYING TO the “MAN” Jesus either, but to the “ONE” AND “ONLY” “TRUE” God himself.  

I also know if you truly believe Jesus is the “ONLY”,  true,  God, then you haven’t had any prayers answered in your life, because God the Father dosen’t hear Idolaters, LIKE YOU, IMO.

If your “first love” isn’t God the Father ,  the same as the Man Jesus is and was ,  you have nothing , no matter what you do or have done, just like the Church of Ephesus …Rev 2:4 

Repent CARMEL.

peace and love to you and yours Carmel…………gene

 

 

[GeneBalthrop]

Proclaimer…….again you ignore what i ask you to do, Just make a simple Study of the  Greek word [dia] ,  Thats a big hang up for you brother, IMO.   

By the way have you ever run across this person,  from New Zeland…..(Winkie Pratney)  i have listened to some of his sermons on, You Tube , at,   21st century Reformation.  Check it out if you get time, see what you think.

Peace and love to you and yours Perclaimer…………gene

[carmel]

Hi Gene,

You: Tell me this when Jesus said this (not me)…… “i am going to “MY” God and “your” God, “MY” Father and “your” Father”. 

Me: THE ABOVE IS ONLY YOUR CORRUPTED VERSION!

HE NEVER SAID THAT!

HE NEVER MEANT WHAT YOU HAVE IN MIND NEITHER!

John 20:17 Jesus saith to her: Do not touch me, for I am not yet ascended to my Father.

IN THE ABOVE, JESUS NEVER ALLOWED MARY TO TOUCH HIM AS SHE WAS A SINFUL CREATURE, AND IT WOULD HAVE BEEN DETRIMENTAL TO HER IF SHE DID. THEN HE SAID THAT HE WAS NOT YET ASCENDED TO THE FULL POWER OF HIS FATHER, THUS HE WAS NOT IN THE POSITION TO PROTECT HER. AT THAT MOMENT IN TIME JESUS, FOR THE FIRST-EVER TIME, WAS A HUMAN BEING IDENTICAL TO US!

JESUS RESURRECTED WITH OUR  FLESH PURIFIED BY HIS OWN BLOOD, IN ORDER TO PRESENT US PERFECT TO THE FATHER.

1 Peter 3:18 Because Christ also died once for our sins, the just for the unjust:

that he might offer us to God,….

JESUS RESURRECTED WITH THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE ALL EMBODIED IN HIM, AS ADAM WAS WHEN HE WAS CREATED; 

JESUS IS THE SECOND ADAM!

HE WAS NOT AS HE WAS BORN IN ALL THINGS LIKE US!

JESUS SIMPLY GAVE US HIS OWN DEAD BODY,  SPIRITUALIZED, RESURRECTED IN A STATE WE AS HUMANS COULD NEVER ACHIEVE. JESUS NEVER NEEDED HIS BODY  AT ALL ANYMORE. THE MAIN REASON THAT HE CAME FROM THE SUBSTANCE OF THE FATHER Hebrews 1:3,  IN ORDER FOR THE FATHER TO BE

OUR FATHER ALSO IN FLESH, OF WHICH HE NEVER WAS! 

THROUGH JESUS! John17:10

JESUS SPIRITUALIZED  AND GLORIFIED HIS BODY EVEN BEFORE HIS PASSION! Luke 13:32

HE WAS INNOCENTLY KILLED AND ON HIS DEATH HE INTEGRATED INTO ONE SUBSTANCE WITH THE HOLY GHOST AS

JESUS CHRIST!

GODMAN! John13:31-32

 JESUS WENT  TO HELL, PREACHED HIS GOSPEL, AND FREED ALL THOSE IN HELL. 

asserted again in

1 Peter 3:18 Because Christ also died once for our sins, the just for the unjust: that he might offer us to God, being put to death indeed in the flesh,

but enlivened in the spirit,

 19In which also coming he PREACHED to those spirits that were in prison:

NOW TO YOUR FALSE PERCEPTION!

I ascend to my Father and to your Father, to my God and your God.

“ascend to” is figurative!

Jesus never meant that he ascends to his father in heaven,

HE SIMPLY COULD NOT DO SO IN THAT STATE AS A HUMAN IDENTICAL TO US, HE

WAS NOT YET PERFECT!

ONLY GOD IS PERFECT

JESUS ONLY WENT TO HEAVEN  after forty days!

Thus, Jesus meant that He ascends to  a higher state.

Precisely that same evening!

JESUS WITH THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE ALL IN HIM, AFTER SIX IN THE EVENING,  INTEGRATED WITH THE HOLY GHOST AS JESUS CHRIST GLORIFIED ON THE CROSS AS EXPLAINED ABOVE. THAT MEANS THAT THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE ALL IN JESUS’ RESURRECTED BODY BECAME ALSO ONE SUBSTANCE WITH THE HOLY GHOST AS 

JESUS CHRIST!

THE GOD OF ALL FLESH Jeremiah 32:27

THE ENTIRE HUNAN RACE ALL CHILDREN OF GOD IN

JESUS CHRIST! 

PRECISELY WHAT JESUS SAID TO MARY! READ:

 

I ascend to my Father and to your Father, to my God and your God.

THUS JESUS MEANT THAT HE ASCEND INTO ONE SUBSTANCE,

Both in the state of His Father, divine, and in the state of human,

in the state of His God, SPIRIT, and in our God FLESH, predicted and asserted by Jesus in

John17:10 And all my(HUMANS’)  things are thine, and thine ( DIVINE) are mine;

and I am glorified in

THEM. 

BOTH HUMAN AND DIVINE, BOTH SPIRIT AND FLESH IN ONE INSTANT!

YOU: Carmel………Your completely screwed up brother,  your logic is unscriptural and is most definitely not of the truth. 

ME: Gene, BROTHER, YOU EITHER CONTRADICT ME USING SCRIPTURES OR  ELSE I’M AFRAID YOU END UP MORE THAN

completely SCREWED!

You:I personely have had so many prayers answered in my life by praying to God the Father himself, i could hardly count them all,  and I WASEN’T PRAYING TO the “MAN” Jesus either, but to the “ONE” AND “ONLY” “TRUE” God himself. 

ME: Gene, JUST READ JESUS’ OWN WORDS HEREUNDER!

John14:13 Because I go to the Father:

and whatsoever you shall ask the Father IN MY NAME

that will I do: 

WHATEVER YOU  PRAYED,  IF ANSWERED, WAS ANSWERED  ONLY BY JESUS!

that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

 14If you shall ask me anything in my name,

THAT I WILL DO.

THE ABOVE Mr. Gene and brother IN JESUS, not in the Father!

is pure truth!

Peace and love in Jesus Christ

 

[carmel]

Hi Gene,

You: Again, “the son of man” can do “nothing of himself” the Father who is “in”

him he does the work”.

WHO DID THE WORK PHYSICALLY AND TANGIBLY? READ:

John17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth;

I have finished the work which thou gave me to do. 

NOW ANSWER Gene, 

WHY WAS THE FATHER IN JESUS?

NO, YOU WILL NOT ANSWER; I TELL YOU WHY:

“THE FATHER CAN DO NOTHING OF HIMSELF UNLESS WITHIN JESUS ON THIS

TANGIBLE PLANET!

YOU NAME IT!

Peace and love in Jesus Christ

 

 

[GeneBalthrop]

Carmel……GOD IS IN “ALL” LIVING THINGS, that has life in it,   BY HIS SPRIT. He is a Sprit  and can exist in living matter.  PAUL TELL US,  not me,

1 Co 6:19-20……“what? Know you not that your “BODY” is the “temple” of the “HOLY GHOST” which is “IN” you, which you have of (from), God, and you are not your own? , 20, for (because)  you are brought with a price: therefore glorify “GOD”, in you “BODY” , “AND ”         IN YOUR SPIRIT , WHICH ARE, GOD’S.  

Carmel…….do you see it saying to Glorify Jesus in our bodies, and Spirit there?  No you don’t do you?, but what and who do you see  ,  glorify “GOD”, IN OUR FLESH “BODY” AND “SPIRIT” ALSO.  Tell us is that not what “the man” Jesus,  did also? 

Carmel……if your relationship with God the Father is not, “exactly” as Jesus’ is, you have not the Father or the Son either.    Jesus showed us the way to have that right relationship with the Father   who is the “ONLY” TRUE GOD. 

Now you know wht your prayers arn’t answered Carmel,  you have made Jesus your God.

Peace and love to you and yours Carmel………..gene

 

 

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