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I am still sticking to the teaching that Jehovah speaking to his team gods stated let us make humanity in the image and likeness of team gods.
Yawheh(Jehovah) has no outer likeness but those angels that visited Lot were said to look like humans. The reverse but true statement is that humans bear the likeness of certain angels. Yawheh has the inner likeness of righteousness and holiness and Scripture declares humanity was created upright before he went in search of many schemes. So man was created in the image and likeness of team gods.
Quote (kerwin @ July 06 2013,13:37) To all, I am still sticking to the teaching that Jehovah speaking to his team gods stated let us make humanity in the image and likeness of team gods.
Yawheh(Jehovah) has no outer likeness but those angels that visited Lot were said to look like humans. The reverse but true statement is that humans bear the likeness of certain angels. Yawheh has the inner likeness of righteousness and holiness and Scripture declares humanity was created upright before he went in search of many schemes. So man was created in the image and likeness of team gods.
Hi Kerwin,(Quote)
So man was created in the image and likeness of team gods.Job1:6 Now there was a day when the *sons of God* came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them.
Job2:1 Again there was a day when the *sons of God* came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them to present himself before the LORD.
Why do you call them *gods* ?
Peace brother..
Hi Kerwin,
I echo Abe's question.
Since when did you believe that many “Gods” were with 'God'? Is it since your conversations with another? Has another been leading you astray?If the Bible tells me that God alone created the heavens and the earth, and that no other God was with him, then I believe that, despite what others may say.
I see no problem with believing that the Almighty GOD, YHVH, ALONE, through his word and his spirit created.
I cannot explain the “us” and the “our” – but then we are not God, are we.Quote (2besee @ July 07 2013,16:41) Hi Kerwin, Since when did you believe that many “Gods” were with 'God'? Has another been leading you astray?
Genesis 3
5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.22 And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil.
Perhaps it is scripture that has been leading Kerwin astray.
Hi Mike,
“One of US” is not in the Hebrew.
It is simply “from”.Behold the man has become one from knowing God and evil.
Genesis 3
5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.“As gods”, Mike. As gods.
Psalm 82
6 I have said, Ye [are] gods; and all of you [are] children of the most High. 7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.Quote (2besee @ July 08 2013,06:54) Hi Mike, “One of US” is not in the Hebrew.
It is simply “from”.Behold the man has become one from knowing God and evil.
What that suppose to mean one FROM ,what
And which Hebrew text
And how does. It change the outcome Quote (abe @ July 07 2013,09:17) Quote (kerwin @ July 06 2013,13:37) To all, I am still sticking to the teaching that Jehovah speaking to his team gods stated let us make humanity in the image and likeness of team gods.
Yawheh(Jehovah) has no outer likeness but those angels that visited Lot were said to look like humans. The reverse but true statement is that humans bear the likeness of certain angels. Yawheh has the inner likeness of righteousness and holiness and Scripture declares humanity was created upright before he went in search of many schemes. So man was created in the image and likeness of team gods.
Hi Kerwin,(Quote)
So man was created in the image and likeness of team gods.Job1:6 Now there was a day when the *sons of God* came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them.
Job2:1 Again there was a day when the *sons of God* came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them to present himself before the LORD.
Why do you call them *gods* ?
Peace brother..
Hi Kerwin,Bump.
Peace brother………………..
Quote (2besee @ July 07 2013,14:43) Hi Abe
So the “sons of God” are the spirits of God (seven)?
Hi 2b,Rev.16:5 And I heard the angel of the waters saying, “Righteous are You, who are and who were, O Holy One, because You judged these things;
angel of the waters
Spirit of the Waters.
There are “7” Spirits of God.
Of the Water.
One of Seven.
Peace brother………….
Quote (abe @ July 07 2013,23:17) Quote (kerwin @ July 06 2013,13:37) To all, I am still sticking to the teaching that Jehovah speaking to his team gods stated let us make humanity in the image and likeness of team gods.
Yawheh(Jehovah) has no outer likeness but those angels that visited Lot were said to look like humans. The reverse but true statement is that humans bear the likeness of certain angels. Yawheh has the inner likeness of righteousness and holiness and Scripture declares humanity was created upright before he went in search of many schemes. So man was created in the image and likeness of team gods.
Hi Kerwin,(Quote)
So man was created in the image and likeness of team gods.Job1:6 Now there was a day when the *sons of God* came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them.
Job2:1 Again there was a day when the *sons of God* came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them to present himself before the LORD.
Why do you call them *gods* ?
Peace brother..
Abe,Tehillim 8:5
Orthodox Jewish Bible (OJB)5 (6) For Thou hast made him a little lower than elohim [or Elohim, Gn 1:27], and hast crowned him with kavod and hadar.
The writer of Hebrews translates Elohim to angels.
Quote (2besee @ July 08 2013,04:41) Hi Kerwin, I echo Abe's question.
Since when did you believe that many “Gods” were with 'God'? Is it since your conversations with another? Has another been leading you astray?If the Bible tells me that God alone created the heavens and the earth, and that no other God was with him, then I believe that, despite what others may say.
I see no problem with believing that the Almighty GOD, YHVH, ALONE, through his word and his spirit created.
I cannot explain the “us” and the “our” – but then we are not God, are we.
2besee,Tehillim 8:5
Orthodox Jewish Bible (OJB)5 (6) For Thou hast made him a little lower than elohim [or Elohim, Gn 1:27], and hast crowned him with kavod and hadar.
elohim is translated angels by the writer of Hebrews.
Job 38:4-7
King James Version (KJV)4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?The angels(elohim) were present when God(elohim) created the earth.
T,
Quote What that suppose to mean one FROM,what One who knows good and evil.
Quote And which Hebrew text The Hebrew.
Quote And how does. It change the outcome God is one and the world was created through his own spirit and his own word — not some other God/s.
Eternal life is knowing the Father (who is “The only True God”) and the Son.
The commandments of God are summed up in two:
Love of God (the one and only true God) and love of neighbor.
So, we have to Know God, and we have to Know our neighbor (humanity). Otherwise we do not know the Fathers will, or the Son. And (“Do it to one of the least of these [people] — and you do it to me”)Quote (kerwin @ July 07 2013,21:49) Quote (abe @ July 07 2013,23:17) Quote (kerwin @ July 06 2013,13:37) To all, I am still sticking to the teaching that Jehovah speaking to his team gods stated let us make humanity in the image and likeness of team gods.
Yawheh(Jehovah) has no outer likeness but those angels that visited Lot were said to look like humans. The reverse but true statement is that humans bear the likeness of certain angels. Yawheh has the inner likeness of righteousness and holiness and Scripture declares humanity was created upright before he went in search of many schemes. So man was created in the image and likeness of team gods.
Hi Kerwin,(Quote)
So man was created in the image and likeness of team gods.Job1:6 Now there was a day when the *sons of God* came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them.
Job2:1 Again there was a day when the *sons of God* came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them to present himself before the LORD.
Why do you call them *gods* ?
Peace brother..
Abe,Tehillim 8:5
Orthodox Jewish Bible (OJB)5 (6) For Thou hast made him a little lower than elohim [or Elohim, Gn 1:27], and hast crowned him with kavod and hadar.
The writer of Hebrews translates Elohim to angels.
Hi Kerwin,(Quote)
ehillim 8:5
Orthodox Jewish Bible (OJB)5 (6) For Thou hast made him a little lower than elohim [or Elohim, Gn 1:27], and hast crowned him with kavod and hadar.
The writer of Hebrews translates Elohim to angels.
I know it is Hard to Believe? (understand)
Peace brother…
Quote (abe @ July 08 2013,18:47) Quote (2besee @ July 07 2013,14:43) Hi Abe
So the “sons of God” are the spirits of God (seven)?
Hi 2b,Rev.16:5 And I heard the angel of the waters saying, “Righteous are You, who are and who were, O Holy One, because You judged these things;
angel of the waters
Spirit of the Waters.
There are “7” Spirits of God.
Of the Water.
One of Seven.
Peace brother………….
Abe,
You could be right.
But where does the Holy Spirit fit in with that? Did you say that the seven make up the one?Quote (2besee @ July 08 2013,18:07) T, Quote What that suppose to mean one FROM,what One who knows good and evil.
Quote And which Hebrew text The Hebrew.
Quote And how does. It change the outcome God is one and the world was created through his own spirit and his own word — not some other God/s.
Eternal life is knowing the Father (who is “The only True God”) and the Son.
The commandments of God are summed up in two:
Love of God (the one and only true God) and love of neighbor.
So, we have to Know God, and we have to Know our neighbor (humanity). Otherwise we do not know the Fathers will, or the Son. And (“Do it to one of the least of these [people] — and you do it to me”)
Hi 2Besee,Good post!
Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgKerwin,
As you quoted from a Jewish Bible, this is from “Outreach Judaism” and the understanding of the word “Elohim” to them.
“There is a fundamental principal regarding the many names of the Almighty as they appear in the Torah – they are exalted descriptions of the God of Israel. The name Elohim, which is not an exception to this rule, comes from the Hebrew root el, which means “might” or “power.” This common root appears in a variety of words throughout the Jewish Scriptures. For example, we find this word used in the famous opening words to Psalm 29, (havu la'donai b'nai eylim). This chapter is well known because this Psalm is joyously sung in every synagogue as the Torah scroll is returned into the ark following a congregational reading. What do these noble words mean?
“Ascribe to the Lord, O sons of the mighty. Ascribe to the Lord glory and strength” (Psalm 29:1)
With these passages in mind, we have a deeper understanding of the name Elohim. The pagan mind ascribed a separate and distinct god for each of the powers in the world which it observed, and on whom it depended. The nations gazed upon the life-giving and perplexing energy emanating from the sun and the rain, and they worshiped the many gods who they believed controlled these forces. They craved an abundant harvest and boundless fertility, and they venerated each god who they believed governed each of these abodes. The ancients were mystified by the powers which sustained them and awestruck by the forces that terrified them, and venerated each with elaborate rituals and oftentimes gruesome rites in order to “appease the gods.”
The Torah conveys a radically different message for mankind. All the life-sustaining forces in the universe, all the power that man can behold, emanate from the One Master of the world, One Creator of the universe – the Lord of Hosts is His name. This grand message is contained in the name of God, Elohim. All the forces of the world emerged from the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Therefore, the God of Israel alone – Elohim – is worthy of our worship and devotion.It is for this reason that the Torah employs the word Elohim almost exclusively as the name of God throughout the first two chapters of Genesis. In these opening passages of the Book of Genesis, the Almighty is creating all the powers and forces which stir and sustain the universe.
Therefore, the nation of Israel, to whom God revealed Himself at the foot of Mount Sinai, knew nothing about a plurality of persons in the godhead. No fact could be more firmly established once all of our sacred literature – both canonical and rabbinical – is used as our eternal guide. This matter is indisputable.”
Quote (2besee @ July 08 2013,13:07) T, Quote What that suppose to mean one FROM,what One who knows good and evil.
Quote And which Hebrew text The Hebrew.
Quote And how does. It change the outcome God is one and the world was created through his own spirit and his own word — not some other God/s.
Eternal life is knowing the Father (who is “The only True God”) and the Son.
The commandments of God are summed up in two:
Love of God (the one and only true God) and love of neighbor.
So, we have to Know God, and we have to Know our neighbor (humanity). Otherwise we do not know the Fathers will, or the Son. And (“Do it to one of the least of these [people] — and you do it to me”)
2beeQuote One who knows good and evil. Ge 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:KJV
23 And God said, Behold, Adam is become as one of us, to know good and evil, and now lest at any time he stretch forth his hand, and take of the tree of life and eat, and so he shall live forever— 24 So the Lord God sent him forth out of the garden of Delight to cultivate the ground out of which he was taken. 25 And he cast out Adam and caused him to dwell over against the garden of Delight, and stationed the cherubs and the fiery sword that turns about to keep the way of the tree of life.LXX version
it seems to me that you did not look deep ,or are those two versions of the scriptures false
Quote Quote And which Hebrew text The Hebrew.
it seems that you do not know that there are different version in Hebrew even you quote some of them ,this is strange ,
so all the bellow versions of the scriptures are all false ???when they say “ONE OF US “
Genesis 3:22
Context
NET ©
And the Lord God said, “Now 1 that the man has become like one of us, 2 knowing 3 good and evil, he must not be allowed 4 to stretch out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.”
NIV ©
And the LORD God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live for ever.”
NASB ©
Then the LORD God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil; and now, he might stretch out his hand, and take also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever”—
NLT ©
Then the LORD God said, “The people have become as we are, knowing everything, both good and evil. What if they eat the fruit of the tree of life? Then they will live forever!”
MSG ©
GOD said, “The Man has become like one of us, capable of knowing everything, ranging from good to evil. What if he now should reach out and take fruit from the Tree-of-Life and eat, and live forever? Never–this cannot happen!”
BBE ©
And the Lord God said, Now the man has become like one of us, having knowledge of good and evil; and now if he puts out his hand and takes of the fruit of the tree of life, he will go on living for ever.
NRSV ©
Then the LORD God said, “See, the man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil; and now, he might reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever” —
NKJV ©
Then the LORD God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil. And now, lest he put out his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever” ––
KJV
And the LORD
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NASB ©
Then the LORD
God
said
, “Behold
, the man
has become
like one
of Us, knowing
good
and evil
; and now
, he might
stretch
out his hand
, and take
also
from the tree
of life
, and eat
, and live
forever
“–
HEBREW
Mlel
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lkaw
Myyxh
Uem
Mg
xqlw
wdy
xlsy
Np
htew
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bwj
tedl
wnmm
dxak
hyh
Mdah
Nh
Myhla
hwhy
rmayw (3:22)LXXM
kaiCONJeipen {V-AAI-3S} o
T-NSMyeov
N-NSMidou
INJadam
N-PRIgegonen
V-RAI-3Swv
CONJeiv
A-NSMex
PREPhmwn
P-GPtou
T-GSNginwskein
V-PANkalon
A-ASMkai
CONJponhron
A-ASMkai
CONJnun
ADVmhpote
ADVekteinh
V-AAS-3Sthn
T-ASFceira
N-ASFkai
CONJlabh
V-AAS-3Stou
T-GSNxulou
N-GSNthv
T-GSFzwhv
N-GSFkai
CONJfagh
V-FMI-2Skai
CONJzhsetai
V-FMI-3Seiv
PREPton
T-ASMaiwna
N-ASM
NET © [draft] ITL
And the Lord
God
said
, “Now
that the man
has become
like one
of us, knowing
good
and evil
, he must not be allowed
to stretch
out his hand
and take
also
from the tree
of life
and eat
, and live
forever
.”
NET ©
And the Lord God said, “Now 1 that the man has become like one of us, 2 knowing 3 good and evil, he must not be allowed 4 to stretch out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.”
NET
© Notes
1 tn The particle הֵן (hen) introduces a foundational clause, usually beginning with “since, because, now.”
2 sn The man has become like one of us. See the notes on Gen 1:26 and 3:5.
3 tn The infinitive explains in what way the man had become like God: “knowing good and evil.”
4 tn Heb “and now, lest he stretch forth.” Following the foundational clause, this clause forms the main point. It is introduced with the particle פֶּן (pen) which normally introduces a negative purpose, “lest….” The construction is elliptical; something must be done lest the man stretch forth his hand. The translation interprets the point intended.Quote God is one and the world was created through his own spirit and his own word — not some other God/s. SO YOU ARE NOT CREATED BY GOD ,RIGHT
I KNOW I AM BUT HE DID IT THROUGH MI MOM AND DAD ,JUST AS ADAM WAS THE FIRST ONE WITH EVE TO AND THROUGH THEM ALL HUMANITY WAS CREATED ,JUST LIKE GOD CREATED ALL THE LIVING CREATURES AND “LET THEM REPRODUCE ACCORDING TO THEIR KIND” RIGHT Quote Eternal life is knowing the Father (who is “The only True God”) and the Son. that is right ; but were do you learn to know the father and the son
is it through your own interpretation of the scriptures or through the scriptures as they are given many will say that they know God and the son but will not be recognized as part of the son or the father .
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