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Quote (2besee @ June 27 2013,20:43) Abe, I believe that the word in John 1:1 was God's spoken word and spirit, the one God, not another God/god. Jesus being the image of God I believe is because Jesus was the second Adam, perfect though, because He never sinned. Therefore the image of God.
What do you think?
I need to go back and catch up on some of your earlier posts
2besee……..I agree with what you posted also. Jesus was the firt begotten “OF” or “FROM” Creation, He was a Son of God by being inpregunated with the HOLY” Spirit which is called the Seed of God by John, which came to be “IN” Him at the Jordan river, and this made him an Anointed Son of God. Just as it does us if we have that same Seed or Holy Spirit of the Living God in us. IMOpeace and love to you and yours…………………………..gene
Quote (2besee @ June 27 2013,01:43) Abe, I believe that the word in John 1:1 was God's spoken word and spirit, the one God, not another God/god. Jesus being the image of God I believe is because Jesus was the second Adam, perfect though, because He never sinned. Therefore the image of God.
What do you think?
I need to go back and catch up on some of your earlier posts
Hi 2b,Rev.1:3 Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of the prophecy, and heed the things which are written in it; for the time is near. 4John to the seven churches that are in Asia: Grace to you and peace, from Him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven Spirits who are before His throne, 5and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the Firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loves us and released us from our sins by His blood— 6and He has made us to be a kingdom, priests to His God and Father—to Him be the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen.
and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the Firstborn of the Dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth.
I see three times created.
Peace brother..
Quote (abe @ June 28 2013,07:36) Quote (2besee @ June 27 2013,01:43) Abe, I believe that the word in John 1:1 was God's spoken word and spirit, the one God, not another God/god. Jesus being the image of God I believe is because Jesus was the second Adam, perfect though, because He never sinned. Therefore the image of God.
What do you think?
I need to go back and catch up on some of your earlier posts
Hi 2b,Rev.1:3 Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of the prophecy, and heed the things which are written in it; for the time is near. 4John to the seven churches that are in Asia: Grace to you and peace, from Him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven Spirits who are before His throne, 5and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the Firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loves us and released us from our sins by His blood— 6and He has made us to be a kingdom, priests to His God and Father—to Him be the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen.
and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the Firstborn of the Dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth.
I see three times created.
Peace brother..
Hi Abe,
Did you notice “firstborn from the dead”. That had nothing to do with being the firstborn “before the world began”.
We should know and believe that God is one, IMO, because that's what scriptures say. Not 'two Gods', not 'three Gods', not 'lots of gods' but ONE..(and that does not include a “combination of Gods” either!)So,..as I believe that “the word” (logos) is the spoken word through the power of the spirit, I do not see “the word” (logos) as being some “being” which was “created” as man was created. Just like I would not say that YOUR spoken words were some other being!! They are yours, but you can share them, and the spirit is behind what you are saying.
So do we agree with this?
God's own word which was spoken from his own mouth (that is to be spiritually understood), and God's own spirit power were sufficient to creating the world.
Quote “That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us:” (John 17:21) Hi Ed,
The oneness with God does not mean that we are GOD. We will never ever ever ever BE God. Jesus is not God. We are not God. There is only one God and no others, because THAT is what scriptures say. “before me no god was formed, nor shall there be after”.You still are not addressing the Spirit, Ed.
You claim that there are two spirits here – the spirit of God plus the spirit of Jesus (I THINK that is what you are saying).
Scriptures tell us that there is only one spirit (here) which is called the Holy Spirit and the Spirit of Christ and the Spirit of God, as some examples of what it is called but it still the same one spirit.Gene,
It is good that we agree on most things, don't we. I think that where you and I MAY disagree is on Jesus NOW in this point in time (after the resurrection and ascension to Heaven) and the return of Jesus AND definitely the “millennium”, but apart from that, we are mostly in agreement Gene.Quote (kerwin @ June 28 2013,08:38) Abe and 2besee, The “because” tells us why Jesus is the firstborn over all creation.
Hi Kerwin.
Because He was risen from the dead?Quote (2besee @ June 27 2013,15:00) Quote (abe @ June 28 2013,07:36) Quote (2besee @ June 27 2013,01:43) Abe, I believe that the word in John 1:1 was God's spoken word and spirit, the one God, not another God/god. Jesus being the image of God I believe is because Jesus was the second Adam, perfect though, because He never sinned. Therefore the image of God.
What do you think?
I need to go back and catch up on some of your earlier posts
Hi 2b,Rev.1:3 Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of the prophecy, and heed the things which are written in it; for the time is near. 4John to the seven churches that are in Asia: Grace to you and peace, from Him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven Spirits who are before His throne, 5and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the Firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loves us and released us from our sins by His blood— 6and He has made us to be a kingdom, priests to His God and Father—to Him be the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen.
and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the Firstborn of the Dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth.
I see three times created.
Peace brother..
Hi Abe,
Did you notice “firstborn from the dead”. That had nothing to do with being the firstborn “before the world began”.
We should know and believe that God is one, IMO, because that's what scriptures say. Not 'two Gods', not 'three Gods', not 'lots of gods' but ONE..(and that does not include a “combination of Gods” either!)So,..as I believe that “the word” (logos) is the spoken word through the power of the spirit, I do not see “the word” (logos) as being some “being” which was “created” as man was created. Just like I would not say that YOUR spoken words were some other being!! They are yours, but you can share them, and the spirit is behind what you are saying.
So do we agree with this?
God's own word which was spoken from his own mouth (that is to be spiritually understood), and God's own spirit power were sufficient to creating the world.
Hi 2b,Jn.1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
and the Word was God.
Why have I never heard the argument, that the word was God?
It does not say Is God?
Please enlighten me?
Peace brother..
Quote (2besee @ June 28 2013,10:16) Quote “That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us:” (John 17:21) Hi Ed,
The oneness with God does not mean that we are GOD. We will never ever ever ever BE God. Jesus is not God. We are not God. There is only one God and no others, because THAT is what scriptures say. “before me no god was formed, nor shall there be after”.You still are not addressing the Spirit, Ed.
(1)You claim that there are two spirits here – the spirit of God plus the spirit of Jesus (I THINK that is what you are saying).(2)Scriptures tell us that there is only one spirit (here) which is called the Holy Spirit and the Spirit of Christ and the Spirit of God, as some examples of what it is called but it still the same one spirit.
Hi 2Besee,1) Correct.
2) The spirit of Christ is not called God anywhere (in Scripture),
while the “HolySpirit” IS called “GOD” in Scripture (ref. Luke 1:35, Acts 5:3-4) – ONE SPIRIT is GOD,
not two spirits are God, and not three spirits are God, BUT ONLY ONE SPIRIT IS GOD – GOD's HOLYSPIRIT.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (abe @ June 28 2013,13:05) Quote (2besee @ June 27 2013,15:00) Quote (abe @ June 28 2013,07:36) Quote (2besee @ June 27 2013,01:43) Abe, I believe that the word in John 1:1 was God's spoken word and spirit, the one God, not another God/god. Jesus being the image of God I believe is because Jesus was the second Adam, perfect though, because He never sinned. Therefore the image of God.
What do you think?
I need to go back and catch up on some of your earlier posts
Hi 2b,Rev.1:3 Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of the prophecy, and heed the things which are written in it; for the time is near. 4John to the seven churches that are in Asia: Grace to you and peace, from Him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven Spirits who are before His throne, 5and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the Firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loves us and released us from our sins by His blood— 6and He has made us to be a kingdom, priests to His God and Father—to Him be the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen.
and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the Firstborn of the Dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth.
I see three times created.
Peace brother..
Hi Abe,
Did you notice “firstborn from the dead”. That had nothing to do with being the firstborn “before the world began”.
We should know and believe that God is one, IMO, because that's what scriptures say. Not 'two Gods', not 'three Gods', not 'lots of gods' but ONE..(and that does not include a “combination of Gods” either!)So,..as I believe that “the word” (logos) is the spoken word through the power of the spirit, I do not see “the word” (logos) as being some “being” which was “created” as man was created. Just like I would not say that YOUR spoken words were some other being!! They are yours, but you can share them, and the spirit is behind what you are saying.
So do we agree with this?
God's own word which was spoken from his own mouth (that is to be spiritually understood), and God's own spirit power were sufficient to creating the world.
Hi 2b,Jn.1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
and the Word was God.
Why have I never heard the argument, that the word was God?
It does not say Is God?
Please enlighten me?
Peace brother..
Hi Abe.
This will just have to brief for now.“For as the rain and the snow COME DOWN FROM HEAVEN,
and return not thither but water the earth,
making it BRING FORTH and sprout,
GIVING SEED to the sower and BREAD TO THE EATER,
so shall MY WORD be that goes forth FROM MY MOUTH;
it shall not return to me empty, but it shall accomplish that which I purpose, and prosper IN THE THING FOR WHICH I SENT IT.”My word
From my mouth
Sent.
Now look for those verses in the New Testament and find the match.
That is your assignment!“The word was God”
“I AM THE LORD AND THERE IS NO OTHER,
BESIDES ME THERE IS NO GOD;
I gird you, though you do not know me,
THAT MEN MAY KNOW, FROM THE RISING OF THE SUN FROM THE WEST,
THAT THERE IS NONE BESIDES ME;
I AM THE LORD, AND THERE IS NO OTHER.
I FORM THE LIGHT AND CREATE DARKNESS,
I MAKE WEAL AND CREATE WOE,
I AM THE LORD, WHO DO ALL THESE THINGS.”“I MADE THE EARTH, AND CREATED MAN UPON IT;
IT WAS MY HANDS THAT STRETCHED OUT THE HEAVENS,
AND I COMMANDED ALL THEIR HOST.”“`GOD IS WITH YOU ONLY, AND THERE IS NO OTHER, NO GOD BESIDES HIM”
“DECLARE AND PRESENT YOUR CASE;
LET THE COUNSEL TOGETHER!
WHO TOLD THIS LONG AGO?
WHO DECLARED IT OF OLD?
WAS IT NOT I, THE LORD?
AND THERE IS NO OTHER GOD BESIDES ME,
A RIGHTEOUS GOD AND A SAVIOR;
THERE IS NONE BESIDES ME.
“TURN TO ME AND BE SAVE, ALL THE ENDS OF THE EARTH!
FOR I AM GOD, AND THERE IS NO OTHER.”God has revealed to us through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God. For what person knows a man's thoughts except the spirit of the man which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.
So, two, or one, or two in one?
“No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son”. (and as many as God wishes to reveal it).
Spirit gives birth to spirit.
God is not a man. God is spirit.Your view?
Quote (Ed J @ June 28 2013,13:07) Quote (2besee @ June 28 2013,10:16) Quote “That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us:” (John 17:21) Hi Ed,
The oneness with God does not mean that we are GOD. We will never ever ever ever BE God. Jesus is not God. We are not God. There is only one God and no others, because THAT is what scriptures say. “before me no god was formed, nor shall there be after”.You still are not addressing the Spirit, Ed.
(1)You claim that there are two spirits here – the spirit of God plus the spirit of Jesus (I THINK that is what you are saying).(2)Scriptures tell us that there is only one spirit (here) which is called the Holy Spirit and the Spirit of Christ and the Spirit of God, as some examples of what it is called but it still the same one spirit.
Hi 2Besee,1) Correct.
2) The spirit of Christ is not called God anywhere (in Scripture),
while the “HolySpirit” IS called “GOD” in Scripture (ref. Luke 1:35, Acts 5:3-4) – ONE SPIRIT is GOD,
not two spirits are God, and not three spirits are God, BUT ONLY ONE SPIRIT IS GOD – GOD's HOLYSPIRIT.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi Ed,
So are you in denial of those verses of Paul's that there is only ONE Spirit that was sent.
I will REPOST some scriptures when I can.Quote (2besee @ June 28 2013,13:06) Quote (Ed J @ June 28 2013,13:07) Quote (2besee @ June 28 2013,10:16) Quote “That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us:” (John 17:21) Hi Ed,
The oneness with God does not mean that we are GOD. We will never ever ever ever BE God. Jesus is not God. We are not God. There is only one God and no others, because THAT is what scriptures say. “before me no god was formed, nor shall there be after”.You still are not addressing the Spirit, Ed.
(1)You claim that there are two spirits here – the spirit of God plus the spirit of Jesus (I THINK that is what you are saying).(2)Scriptures tell us that there is only one spirit (here) which is called the Holy Spirit and the Spirit of Christ and the Spirit of God, as some examples of what it is called but it still the same one spirit.
Hi 2Besee,1) Correct.
2) The spirit of Christ is not called God anywhere (in Scripture),
while the “HolySpirit” IS called “GOD” in Scripture (ref. Luke 1:35, Acts 5:3-4) – ONE SPIRIT is GOD,
not two spirits are God, and not three spirits are God, BUT ONLY ONE SPIRIT IS GOD – GOD's HOLYSPIRIT.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi Ed,
So are you in denial of those verses of Paul's that there is only ONE Spirit that was sent.
I will REPOST some scriptures when I can.
Hi 2Besee,You're reading into the text; please post what
specifically you're referring to. and we'll discuss it.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (2besee @ June 27 2013,17:55) Quote (abe @ June 28 2013,13:05) Quote (2besee @ June 27 2013,15:00) Quote (abe @ June 28 2013,07:36) Quote (2besee @ June 27 2013,01:43) Abe, I believe that the word in John 1:1 was God's spoken word and spirit, the one God, not another God/god. Jesus being the image of God I believe is because Jesus was the second Adam, perfect though, because He never sinned. Therefore the image of God.
What do you think?
I need to go back and catch up on some of your earlier posts
Hi 2b,Rev.1:3 Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of the prophecy, and heed the things which are written in it; for the time is near. 4John to the seven churches that are in Asia: Grace to you and peace, from Him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven Spirits who are before His throne, 5and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the Firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loves us and released us from our sins by His blood— 6and He has made us to be a kingdom, priests to His God and Father—to Him be the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen.
and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the Firstborn of the Dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth.
I see three times created.
Peace brother..
Hi Abe,
Did you notice “firstborn from the dead”. That had nothing to do with being the firstborn “before the world began”.
We should know and believe that God is one, IMO, because that's what scriptures say. Not 'two Gods', not 'three Gods', not 'lots of gods' but ONE..(and that does not include a “combination of Gods” either!)So,..as I believe that “the word” (logos) is the spoken word through the power of the spirit, I do not see “the word” (logos) as being some “being” which was “created” as man was created. Just like I would not say that YOUR spoken words were some other being!! They are yours, but you can share them, and the spirit is behind what you are saying.
So do we agree with this?
God's own word which was spoken from his own mouth (that is to be spiritually understood), and God's own spirit power were sufficient to creating the world.
Hi 2b,Jn.1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
and the Word was God.
Why have I never heard the argument, that the word was God?
It does not say Is God?
Please enlighten me?
Peace brother..
Hi Abe.
This will just have to brief for now.“For as the rain and the snow COME DOWN FROM HEAVEN,
and return not thither but water the earth,
making it BRING FORTH and sprout,
GIVING SEED to the sower and BREAD TO THE EATER,
so shall MY WORD be that goes forth FROM MY MOUTH;
it shall not return to me empty, but it shall accomplish that which I purpose, and prosper IN THE THING FOR WHICH I SENT IT.”My word
From my mouth
Sent.
Now look for those verses in the New Testament and find the match.
That is your assignment!“The word was God”
“I AM THE LORD AND THERE IS NO OTHER,
BESIDES ME THERE IS NO GOD;
I gird you, though you do not know me,
THAT MEN MAY KNOW, FROM THE RISING OF THE SUN FROM THE WEST,
THAT THERE IS NONE BESIDES ME;
I AM THE LORD, AND THERE IS NO OTHER.
I FORM THE LIGHT AND CREATE DARKNESS,
I MAKE WEAL AND CREATE WOE,
I AM THE LORD, WHO DO ALL THESE THINGS.”“I MADE THE EARTH, AND CREATED MAN UPON IT;
IT WAS MY HANDS THAT STRETCHED OUT THE HEAVENS,
AND I COMMANDED ALL THEIR HOST.”“`GOD IS WITH YOU ONLY, AND THERE IS NO OTHER, NO GOD BESIDES HIM”
“DECLARE AND PRESENT YOUR CASE;
LET THE COUNSEL TOGETHER!
WHO TOLD THIS LONG AGO?
WHO DECLARED IT OF OLD?
WAS IT NOT I, THE LORD?
AND THERE IS NO OTHER GOD BESIDES ME,
A RIGHTEOUS GOD AND A SAVIOR;
THERE IS NONE BESIDES ME.
“TURN TO ME AND BE SAVE, ALL THE ENDS OF THE EARTH!
FOR I AM GOD, AND THERE IS NO OTHER.”God has revealed to us through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God. For what person knows a man's thoughts except the spirit of the man which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.
So, two, or one, or two in one?
“No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son”. (and as many as God wishes to reveal it).
Spirit gives birth to spirit.
God is not a man. God is spirit.Your view?
Hi 2b,Num.23:19 “God is not a man, that He should lie, Nor a son of man, that He should repent; Has He said, and will He not do it? Or has He spoken, and will He not make it good?
“God is not a man, that He should lie,
Nor a son of man, that He should repent;
(Quote)
IT shall not return to me empty, but IT shall accomplish that which I purpose, and prosper IN THE THING FOR WHICH I SENT IT.”Peace brother…
Hi 2Besee,
This cryptic writing is too hard on my eyes to read.
If it is suppose to be a bible verse, post the AKJV Bible.Because when someone wishes to make a point, a currupt version
or translation (A.K.A. “newer”) will only take one further away from the truth.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (2besee @ June 28 2013,12:55) Hi Abe.
This will just have to brief for now.“For as the rain and the snow COME DOWN FROM HEAVEN,
and return not thither but water the earth,
making it BRING FORTH and sprout,
GIVING SEED to the sower and BREAD TO THE EATER,
so shall MY WORD be that goes forth FROM MY MOUTH;
it shall not return to me empty, but it shall accomplish that which I purpose, and prosper IN THE THING FOR WHICH I SENT IT.”My word
From my mouth
Sent.
Now look for those verses in the New Testament and find the match.
That is your assignment!“The word was God”
“I AM THE LORD AND THERE IS NO OTHER,
BESIDES ME THERE IS NO GOD;
I gird you, though you do not know me,
THAT MEN MAY KNOW, FROM THE RISING OF THE SUN FROM THE WEST,
THAT THERE IS NONE BESIDES ME;
I AM THE LORD, AND THERE IS NO OTHER.
I FORM THE LIGHT AND CREATE DARKNESS,
I MAKE WEAL AND CREATE WOE,
I AM THE LORD, WHO DO ALL THESE THINGS.”“I MADE THE EARTH, AND CREATED MAN UPON IT;
IT WAS MY HANDS THAT STRETCHED OUT THE HEAVENS,
AND I COMMANDED ALL THEIR HOST.”“`GOD IS WITH YOU ONLY, AND THERE IS NO OTHER, NO GOD BESIDES HIM”
“DECLARE AND PRESENT YOUR CASE;
LET THE COUNSEL TOGETHER!
WHO TOLD THIS LONG AGO?
WHO DECLARED IT OF OLD?
WAS IT NOT I, THE LORD?
AND THERE IS NO OTHER GOD BESIDES ME,
A RIGHTEOUS GOD AND A SAVIOR;
THERE IS NONE BESIDES ME.
“TURN TO ME AND BE SAVE, ALL THE ENDS OF THE EARTH!
FOR I AM GOD, AND THERE IS NO OTHER.”God has revealed to us through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God. For what person knows a man's thoughts except the spirit of the man which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.
So, two, or one, or two in one?
“No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son”. (and as many as God wishes to reveal it).
Spirit gives birth to spirit.
God is not a man. God is spirit.Your view?
Hi 2Besee,OK there, I can see it now.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote Hi 2Besee, This cryptic writing is too hard on my eyes to read. If it is suppose to be a bible verse, post the AKJV Bible.
Because when someone wishes to make a point, a currupt version or translation (A.K.A. “newer”) will only take one further away from the trut
Hi Ed,
What do you mean by the “cryptic writing”? You mean the FONT?
I can see it perfectly in my phone!
And what do you mean by “corrupt version”?
No, forget i asked!Hi Abe,
So IT which came down from Heaven was the words and spirit of God.
“the words that I speak to you, they are spirit , and they are life“Enlighten me please Abe!
Quote (2besee @ June 28 2013,21:00) Ed, Is the font small on your computer? Is it smaller than the other.
Yes way smaller, and hard to read.
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