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I see Trinity is still being discussed so I’ll just leave this here (copied from a FB friend).
Breaking the Trinity Confusion
Just as both my son and I are human, Jesus and His Father are God. Humans are mortal while God is eternal and angels immortal. Mortal means to have a beginning and end, Immortal means to have a beginning and no end and Eternal means to have no beginning and no end.Hi Sis Karmarie, good to see your posts after long time. Trinity is always a confusion in Christianity. Many tried to explain it but created more confusion. If Jesus and his father are God there may be two Gods as both are not the one person as per Christianity. And as per 1 Tim 6:
16 It is he alone who has immortality and dwells in unapproachable light, whom no one has ever seen or can see; to him be honor and eternal dominion. Amen.
The above verse says only God alone is immortal and can not be seen. This is the dilemma and confusion created by the NT writers for Christianity.
What is the dilemma created by the New Testament? I think the confusion is in your own head. The spirit of confusion? The writings are consistent. Religious tradition is not.
Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that.”
What is the dilemma created by the New Testament? I think the confusion is in your own head. The spirit of confusion? The writings are consistent. Religious tradition is not.
Hi Proclaimer, the dilemma I mentioned in my previous post is clearly visible when we compare the various texts at one place. Please see the following for kind your verification;
1 Timothy 6:16 It is he alone who has immortality and dwells in unapproachable light, whom no one has ever seen or can see; to him be honor and eternal dominion. Amen. (Here God alone is immortal)
1 Corinthians 15:53 For this perishable body must put on imperishability, and this mortal body must put on immortality. (here dead men become can become immortals…this nullifies the first one)
Luke 20: 35 but those who are considered worthy of a place in that age and in the resurrection from the dead neither marry nor are given in marriage. 36 Indeed they cannot die anymore, because they are like angels and are children of God, being children of the resurrection. (Angels are also immortal..this also nullifies the first)
Gadam
God knows the hearts of those who will inherit eternal life. It is an inheritance given by God to people who will have been tried like gold tried by fire 🔥
And so the immortality bestowed on the saints is a gift from God, not a power inherent in them.Adam…….God “alone” “IS” eternal life, , That is why he alone is the “tree of life” all that have the Spirit of him (God the Father), dwelling “in” them, have eternal life abiding “in” them. The only thing we need is a new body, which we get at the resurection . Remember what Jesus said , “you, “must” be “BORN”, again. Adam try to see it this way, God is the “ONLY” eternal life, there is, or ever will be, “He” must always abide “in” us, in order for us to have “life eternal”, why?, because it is “himSELF”, who has to, “CONTINUE” to, produce life in us. He “IS”, what life “ITSELF” is, brother. There is “no” life without God the Father, “NONE”. HE IS WHAT LIFE “ITSELF” IS. He is the life of everything that exists, having life in it even now, everything , nothing can live eternally, without God’s Spirit in it “NOTHING”.
Hope this helps Adam. Job 34: 14-15
Peace and love to you and yours Adam…………gene
(Here God alone is immortal)
All other beings including the son of God were begotten or created. He is the firstborn of all creation. Someone had to be first right? And that first would have come from the Father because there was nothing else.. Whereas, we come from a line of older beings, our ancestors right up to the first man. Angel’s too were created by God through The Word.
God predates all else. He created time and space / the cosmos and it says, not even creation can contain him. So he is also outside of this reality.
Like all things that are from God, he shares his attributes. He gives eternal life, divine nature, life, love, and unspeakable joy.
For some reason, people really struggle with understanding the difference between identity and nature. They say divine nature makes you God. You imply from that verse that eternal life makes you God. And it says that God is light, yet Jesus said he was the light and then said later to his disciples etc, that you are the light of the world. Further God is Spirit, yet so are angels. But God is the Father of Spirits.
It all originates with God and because he is love, he let’s us participate in his own nature and attributes.
For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself.
And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.
All other beings including the son of God were begotten or created. He is the firstborn of all creation.
Me
In the biginning WAS THE WORD
AND the Word WAS WITH
THE
GOD
AND THE WORD WAS GOD.
The same( THE WORD) was in the beginning with
THE
GOD.
[3] All things were made by him(THE WORD); and without him(THE WORD) was not any thing made that was made.…: all things were created by him(THE WORD), and for him:
[17] And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.Mike: On earth, the passing of the sun from morning to next morning marks a 24-hour day. Is there any reason to think that the same sun passing the same earth DIDN’T mark a 24-hour day during the creation week?
Proclaimer: If you are asking if solar days could have been different in the past, but particularly during the creation week, then I think it is possible. I have noticed that things are fluid in the universe.
I asked you if you had any REASON to think such a thing, right? Your last sentence isn’t even a rational thought – let alone a REASON. Listen carefully… Scientism says that a “day” is a measure of the time it takes for the earth to revolve one time. And Scientism says that “days” on earth have never been any longer than 24 hours… even assuming a 4.5 billion year history.
Proclaimer, knowing now that your trusted Scientism says the earth has never experienced a single day lasting more than 24 hours, what REASON do you offer that the same sun-earth cycle that gives us 24 hour days now may have, in the past, produced days that are many orders of magnitude longer than 24 hours?
Proclaimer, you likened me to a cult leader or a dodgy politician for offering only two options in this Genesis versus Scientism discussion. Here are the two options that I pointed out for you…
- Either the Biblical creation account and Scientism are in agreement, or they contradict each other. That is only two options.
- If they contradict each other, either the Biblical account is right, or the Scientism account is right. That is only two options.
Then I asked you to offer any other options you see. Although you clearly implied that there were other options (thus your comparison of me to a cult leader or dodgy politician for only offering two), you have not responded to my request.
Proclaimer, please do so now.
Proclaimer, I acknowledged (for the hundredth time) what everybody who’s ever been on HN acknowledges: the Bible contains many instances of metaphoric language. Then I asserted that there is no indication of metaphorical language in Genesis chapter one. Then I challenged you:
If you disagree, list the metaphors, what they are metaphorically alluding to, and how you came to that conclusion using only the scriptures. Thanks.
Proclaimer, you have not replied. Please do so now.
Proclaimer, you offered the shocking revelation that if you had created a sentient species of people that you considered your “prized asset”, you would have no problem intentionally lying to them about the time it took you to do something.
I asked you this question:
PROCLAIMER, IF WE WERE TO ASK YAHWEH IF HE WAS WILLING TO LIE TO HIS CREATION IN SUCH A DECEPTIVE MANNER, DO YOU SUPPOSE THAT HE WOULD ALSO ANSWER, “WHY NOT?”, LIKE YOU DID?
You did not reply. Please do so now.
Proclaimer, you once claimed that God is outside of time as we understand it, and joked that it isn’t like there is a giant “heaven sun” that rises and sets so God can calculate His own “days”.
Is that still your understanding?
Proclaimer: Whereas, we come from a line of older beings, our ancestors right up to the first man.
What? What “ancestors” did mankind have before God created the first man?
Adam…….God “alone” “IS” eternal life, , That is why he alone is the “tree of life” all that have the Spirit of him (God the Father), dwelling “in” them, have eternal life abiding “in” them. The only thing we need is a new body, which we get at the resurection . Remember what Jesus said , “you, “must” be “BORN”, again. Adam try to see it this way, God is the “ONLY” eternal life, there is, or ever will be, “He” must always abide “in” us, in order for us to have “life eternal”, why?, because it is “himSELF”, who has to, “CONTINUE” to, produce life in us. He “IS”, what life “ITSELF” is, brother. There is “no” life without God the Father, “NONE”. HE IS WHAT LIFE “ITSELF” IS. He is the life of everything that exists, having life in it even now, everything , nothing can live eternally, without God’s Spirit in it “NOTHING”.
Hope this helps Adam. Job 34: 14-15
Hi brother Gene, thanks for your encouragement on spirituality. In fact these days I am studying much on death and afterlife including the concept of resurrection from all major religions.
Thanks and love to you…..Adam
So what is YOUR personal proof that Sergio truly and undeniably had Covid 19?
From the horses mouth:
After a close contact, I've been self-isolating and the latest test I took was positive for COVID 19. I had some symptoms and I'm following doctor's orders for recovery. Take care, everyone!
— Sergio Kun Aguero (@aguerosergiokun) January 21, 2021
I know quite a bit about Aguero given that he is one of the best players in the last 10 years and is personal friends with the GOAT, Lionel Messi.
Aguero has a history of heart problems and got Covid in January 2021 . Yet you just blame the vaccine despite having no evidence that he was even vaccinated. But even if there is evidence he is vaccinated which would be a bit dumb considering he would have had natural antibodies, it still wouldn’t prove that the vaccine did it. The virus itself was more likely to harm him.
Read this article from Sky Sports dated back in 2017. It says:
The Argentine Football Association said on its Twitter account that the 29-year-old “had a blackout and was taken (to hospital) so routine examinations were made only as a precaution.”
Referencing a previous heart problem, Argentinian team doctor Donato Villani told reporters: “He felt bad twice, and with the medical history he has, since he was operated on when he was 15, we wanted to be sure it was nothing.
Hi Gadam,
You: I am studying much on death and afterlife including the concept of resurrection from all major religions.
Me: I have just received A LIGHT definitely from the TRUE LIGHT! It would be stunning if you encounter in your research that Satan’s hope, from Jesus’ death, was that Jesus comes back to life, in order to remain active on earth.
Luke 8:18 Take heed therefore how you hear. For whosoever hath, to him shall be given: and whosoever hath not,
that also which he thinketh he hath,
shall be taken away from him.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Proclaimer: Whereas, we come from a line of older beings, our ancestors right up to the first man.
Mike: What? What “ancestors” did mankind have before God created the first man?
Read it again Mike.
Berean said:
In the biginning WAS THE WORD
AND the Word WAS WITH
THE
GOD
AND THE WORD WAS GOD.The same( THE WORD) was in the beginning with
THE
GOD.God was before the beginning.
Proclaimer,
“God was before the beginning”
Amen!
John 1 is in the time of Genesis 1. (IN THE BEGINNING)
There is increased light…
FATHER AND SON ARE TOGETHER.
ALL THINGS WERE MADE THROUGH THE SON AND NOTHING THAT WAS MADE WAS MADE WITHOUT HIM.
EVERYTHING WAS DONE BY HIM AND FOR HIM.
HE IS BEFORE ALL THINGS AND ALL THINGS SUBSIST IN HIM.
AMEN!
GOD BLESSPROCLAIMER, YOU ONCE CLAIMED THAT GOD IS OUTSIDE OF TIME AS WE UNDERSTAND IT, AND JOKED THAT IT ISN’T LIKE THERE IS A GIANT “HEAVEN SUN” THAT RISES AND SETS SO GOD CAN CALCULATE HIS OWN “DAYS”.
IS THAT STILL YOUR UNDERSTANDING?It looks like you are grasping at straws.
I think that God is not contained in a creation, but that creation is contained in him. There nothing outside of God. He is the original life.
There was always God. Then the Word. Then all else.
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