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Proclaimer: I should also state that I think you have some gifts, but science is definitely not one of them.
😅🤣😂 It’s absolutely hilarious that you took the time to individually answer every single one of my RHETORICAL questions that afforded you the opportunity to level even more ad hominem attacks against me – but continually refuse to answer my ACTUAL questions based on the scriptures! 😂🤣😅
This was also in the same post…
Mike: I think it’s cute how you proclaim your own understanding (and my lack thereof) of the stories of Scientism just because you copy, paste and parrot things they tell you. Do you really believe that means you “understand” these things? And do you really believe that my refusal to believe these stories displays a lack of understanding on my part?
I promise you that I’ve forgotten more about the Scientism stories you claim to understand than you’ve ever learned about them in the first place.
Why didn’t you directly answer those bolded questions – or try to challenge that last statement of fact? Maybe you could answer those questions now.
That same post also included this…
Mike: I’ll even offer you another test: Tell us why the big bang, deep time, stellar evolution, planetary evolution, and common descent evolution aren’t even a part of science. (As soon as you indicate that you can’t, I’ll give you the answer, okay?)
Why didn’t you answer that challenge, Proclaimer? Maybe you could answer that one now.
And that same post also included this…
Mike: In the meantime, I eagerly await your direct and honest answer to the comprehension test in the post above.
Why didn’t you answer the comprehension test that I challenged you to? Maybe you could answer that one now. Here it is again…
Mike: Okay, let’s do a comprehension test.
Exodus 20:9-11… Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God… For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day…
Question: Name all of the things that the LORD created in a six day period.
I’ll go first…
1. heaven
2. earth
3. sea
4. all that in them is
Based on my reading of the scripture above, those are the four individually listed things that the LORD made in six days.
Now you guys try. Gene? How many things do you see listed as being made in six days? Proclaimer?
Proclaimer, we all realize that you’ll take any opportunity to hurl personal attacks on those who don’t see things your way – and to AVOID the actual questions that you can’t answer. But I’m calling you out on that behavior now. You took the time to meticulously and individually address rhetorical questions just to be able to insult me even more. Now take the time to address the ACTUAL questions listed above – or prove yourself to be the coward some of us already know you to be.
Bravo Mike, I totally agree with you on these points in debate. And thank you for bringing even more light to these things that are revealed to us in Genesis 1 and 2 and Exodus 20 and 31. God bless.
🙏🌈
Proclaimer: Much of the language of the Bible is obviously metaphorical and I think you missed the boat here Mike and Berean too.
How about this instead: Mike and Berean, you understand that a lot of the Bible is metaphorical, right?
See how that’s a simple question within a discussion – without including a personal slam against other people? Try to be better in the future.
As for your implication that Berean and I somehow have overlooked the fact that a lot of the Bible uses parables and metaphoric language, we have not. Everybody in the world understands that the Bible uses parables and metaphoric language.
I have seen your and Gene’s attempts to hide from the facts of the Biblical creation account by claiming “extended period days” and “metaphorical language”. And I’m eager to address those things in a direct manner by asking things like, “What BIBLICAL evidence do you offer for Genesis being metaphorical?”, and “What are these teachings a metaphor for?”, etc. But first I’d like to take care of the OBVIOUS things before allowing you guy’s own answers to destroy your “long days/metaphor” arguments – just like your own answers have destroyed all of your other arguments already.
Right now, we’re discussing the OBVIOUS Biblical teachings that the heaven and earth were INCLUDED in the six days of creation, and that the sun wasn’t created until the FOURTH day – despite there being three days and three nights (and even vegetation) BEFORE the creation of the sun.
So how about you and Gene man up and directly/honestly address those OBVIOUS things before we move on to your “long days/metaphor” escape mechanisms?
Would that be okay?
First, either scripturally refute or acknowledge that the heaven and earth are included in the six days of creation – per the Bible and even a direct quote from Yahweh Himself.
Second, either scripturally refute or acknowledge that the sun was created on the fourth day – AFTER there had already been three days and nights without the sun.
That’s the challenge, guys. Refute these Biblical teachings using scripture, or acknowledge that they are actual teachings in the scriptures. Ready, set…. GO!
Adam: 17 It is a sign forever between me and the people of Israel that in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.”
If you deny the above text you will also deny the original story of creation in the Bible. So what do you say?Proclaimer: Good. So now look at Genesis. What was accomplished by the end of the first day?
Well the heavens and earth existed and the Spirit of God hovered over a watery planet and then light appeared.
Nice “tricky-talk” there… specifically wording it in such a way as to avoid saying that the heaven and the earth were PART of the things created on the first day. 😉
Proclaimer: Science tells us that the universe was in darkness and then at some point the lights turned on. That is the stars started to shine for the first time.
“Science” doesn’t tell us any such thing. Scientism has made wild and completely unsubstantiated speculations about such things… but those speculations are not even a part of science – let alone science itself, as you imply. I’ll explain to you why this is after you fail your second chance to answer my challenge for YOU to explain why big bang cosmogony, deep time, and common descent evolution are not in any way related to “science”.
Proclaimer: And the fourth day is about these lights and our sun appearing in the vault or atmosphere. Not about their creation. Read it yourself.
And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so. 16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.
You bolded, “Let there be lights” in an attempt to claim that the lights were already there, and God just allowed them to shine through to the earth. But the Hebrew phrase, “Let there be” means “let there come into being”. The words are talking about God CREATING something that didn’t exist before.
This is made even more clear in verses 16 and 17, where we’re told in the follow-up to “Let there be lights” that God CREATED the two great lights, and also the stars… and PUT THEM into the firmament of heaven.
Proclaimer: So clearly, by the end of the first day we have the cosmos with stars and the earth. And the fourth day we have an atmosphere that allows visibility into this cosmos.
That is so blatantly NOT what those scriptures teach, dude! 😂 Yes, by the end of the first day we do have the heaven and the earth and light and a separation of light from darkness (ie: “days” and “nights”). We have these things by the end of the first day because they are the things that were all created ON that first day. But the stars are most definitely NOT a part of that first day – since they weren’t created until the fourth day. This is what the scriptures teach… not that jumbled up mess that you’re spouting.
Proclaimer: Except the bible doesn’t say 24 hours. Thus you need to be more like the Bereans who studied the scriptures to see if it were so.
How long does the Bible say the first six days were?
Do you have any scriptural reason to suspect that they were something other than literal 24-hour days?
(Let’s see if you’ll answer actual questions with as much rigor and expediency as you answer rhetorical ones that give you the chance to insult someone.)
Proclaimer: …a day to God is different to a day for us…
How so? In which scripture did Yahweh tell us that when He says “day”, He’s really talking about something other than a normal day?
Gen 1:14… Then God said, “Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to separate the day from the night, and they shall serve as signs and for seasons, and for days and years…
According to Yahweh, one of the jobs of the lights in the firmament was to serve as a way for human beings to measure DAYS. How long are the days that these lights were created to measure out for us?
Gen 7:4… “For after seven more days, I will send rain on the earth for forty days and forty nights; and I will wipe out from the face of the land every living thing that I have made.”
How long was each of the days mentioned in this prophecy from God to Noah?
I could go on and on, but this should be enough to give you and Gene some understanding of what God Himself means when he mentions “days”. After all, it’d be very confusing for God to talk to humans about various days when the humans are thinking 24-hour days while God is actually talking about million year periods or whatever – don’t you think?
So will you and Gene suggest that the “days” in the verses above are “extended time periods”? And if not, please explain the exact SCRIPTURAL reason why you have concluded that the “days” in Gen 1, Ex 20, and Ex 31 are “extended time periods”.
Because unless you have a SCRIPTURAL (as opposed to a Scientism) reason for doing so, your arguments are nothing but you guys chasing after the wind.
(This is the kind of thing I was hoping we’d get into AFTER you and Gene accepted the OBVIOUS Biblical teachings that the heaven and earth were a part of the things created in six days, and that the sun wasn’t created until day four. But it’s seeming more and more likely that you guys will never admit your error and acknowledge what the Bible clearly teaches on those matters.)
Proclaimer: And God is a mighty fortress. That doesn’t mean that he is a building.
Another prime example of a strawman argument. Here’s how it works (in Proclaimer’s mind anyway)…
1. I believe the days in Genesis are extended time periods.
2. Do you have anything to support that belief?
3. You are too stupid to understand that the Bible contains metaphorical language, which obviously means that the days in Genesis are automatically metaphorical too, therefore I win.
Too funny. 🤣😅
Um… Proclaimer… how about showing us the scriptural REASON that the days in Genesis are automatically metaphorical? How about that, huh? 😉
Proclaimer: I’ll let this topic run free then.
Thank you.
Proclaimer: Wild conspiracy theories, myth, or truth?
Do you like the new title?
I think it is a good descriptor for debating anything wild and wacky to see if there is any truth to them. Sometimes the truth is stranger than fiction as they say.
I’m not sure I’d be calling a discussion about what the Bible actually says “wild and wacky” – but whatever.
I do, however, like the fact that the thread started with some so-called “conspiracy theories” on what Covid 19 was really all about… which then all turned out to be the truth after all – just like most so-called “conspiracy theories” do. 😎
Just so you all know, the very term “conspiracy theorist” was coined by the CIA – which then directed it’s mockingbird media to use the term regularly, and always with the connotation of weird, tinfoil hat wearing schizophrenic nutjobs. They did this as a way to discourage people from trying to expose their corruption (Kennedy assassination, Bay of Pigs, moon landing, Pearl Harbor, 911, etc) – and from sharing those truths about that corruption. The idea was that anyone digging for truth (or analyzing and believing that truth) would be labeled as a “conspiracy theorist” and not to be taken seriously. Some, like Proclaimer, have bought into this psychological warfare technique, and therefore truly believe that calling someone a conspiracy theorist automatically dismisses the truth they are sharing without having to actually refute that truth.
But many of us have now come to see it as the psychological warfare technique that it is, and wear the “conspiracy theorist” title as a badge of honor. After all, anyone who theorizes that more than one person are conspiring to do anything at all is literally a “conspiracy theorist”. And that’s been EVERYONE at some time in their lives… even Jesus… who theorized that the Jewish leaders were conspiring to have him arrested, right?
That doesn’t mean all conspiracy theories are based in truth – or even in reality. I could theorize that the man in the moon is conspiring with garden gnomes to keep my carrots from growing.
But I’m satisfied that many of the conspiracy theories that I’ve investigated and shared have already been proven true – and I’m confident that the ones that haven’t will one day also be proven true. I’m just sharing information and my own personal reasoning – call it what you want to. 🙂
Gene: Mike…… it’s playing out fine…
It’s actually not playing out fine for you, Gene. In fact, it’s playing out so poorly for you and Proclaimer that you can’t even directly answer a simple challenge. Here it is again – so you can ignore it again…
Exodus 20:9-11… Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God, on which you must not do any work… For in six days the LORD made the heaven and the earth and the sea and all that is in them, but on the seventh day He rested.
Gene, please name all the things that are explicitly listed in the scripture above as being part of the things Yahweh made within the same six day period. (I’ve underlined them this time so you can see them more easily.) Please list them out for us. Thanks.
Gene: Does a day equal a “thousand years with God “?
No. Now please DIRECTLY and HONESTLY answer my question above, and any others that I’ve asked you in my posts today. Thanks.
Berean: Bravo Mike, I totally agree with you on these points in debate. And thank you for bringing even more light to these things that are revealed to us in Genesis 1 and 2 and Exodus 20 and 31. God bless.
You ain’t seen nothin’ yet, brother. 😎 I hope that you and Adam are enjoying watching Gene and Proclaimer stumble over their own explanations and flip-flop back and forth as much as I am – because all three of us led them to this point. And it’s going to get a lot worse for them too… just watch.
Hey Gene and Proclaimer! I’ve got an even easier comprehension test for you guys…
Exodus 31:17… It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.
This is a direct quote of Yahweh. Please list the TWO things that Yahweh said He made in a six day period. (The other verse lists four things – which proved to be too much for you guys. This one only lists two – so I’m confident that you are up to the task this time.)
I’ll even start again…
In six days, Yahweh made:
- Heaven
- Earth
Now you guys try it. What things did Yahweh say He made in six days – according to the scripture above?
Proclaimer my post are not being posted why?
There was a post that got flagged. I published it. If it happens again, let me know. I am not sure why your post was flagged. Any idea? Was it edited many times? Maybe it contained a link? Of course you are allowed to do this, but I am just trying to figure out what the trigger is, so I can improve it.
Now you guys try it. What things did Yahweh say He made in six days – according to the scripture above?
Already answered this Mike.
A day to the Lord is not the same as a day for man who measures a day by the sun.
So God created all things in 6 days. No problem.
But the text says he was pretty much done and dusted by the end of the first day. Read it for yourself. Start at the beginning and read till the evening of the first day. The universe is already created.
The following days are what God did to make earth friendly for life and eventually for man to dwell there.
I hope this is easy for you to understand.
Proclaimer: A day to the Lord is not the same as a day for man who measures a day by the sun.
How does that apply here – or help you in any way? When God speaks of days to human beings, then God is using the word “day” exactly as humans use the word day. Prove me wrong.
Proclaimer: So God created all things in 6 days. No problem.
Atta boy! Now say it clearly so there are no misinterpretations on our part. Are you really saying that God created THE HEAVEN and THE EARTH within that six day period? If so, say it plainly for us.
Proclaimer: Start at the beginning and read till the evening of the first day. The universe is already created.
Well, “universe” means everything there is; the whole of our world and what’s in it. That didn’t happen until the end of day six. But do you agree that on the first day, God created the heaven, the earth, light, day, and night? Because that’s what the scriptures tell us, right?
Proclaimer: The following days are what God did to make earth friendly for life and eventually for man to dwell there.
God continued working on our world as a whole for five more days, yes. But the heaven and the earth themselves were created on that very first day, right? We need you to state this Biblical fact very clearly for us. We don’t care too much for tricky talk.
Hi Mike,
Carmel: GENESIS 1:1 THE ENTIRE COSMOS WAS CREATED IN TOTAL GOD’S HARMONY…
YOU: What do you mean by “the entire cosmos”?
Does that include the sun and the stars?
ME: Mike, Genesis 1:1 has nothing to do with Genesis 1:2!
Genesis 1:1 was created in God’s harmony, and God is Light!
The entire cosmos, in Genesis 1:1, OBVIOUS UP TO THAT MOMENT IN TIME, was created in full light!
There was no need for the sun and the stars since there was no darkness yet! The sun and the stars were not yet created as we all know them now!
The fact that they were created on day 4
At the very end, there won’t be any need of the sun, the moon, and the stars,
there won’t be NIGHT AND DAY, BUT ALWAYS IN FULL LIGHT
as God who is light would be all in all, and the entire creation would be in full light as it was in Genesis 1:1!
Rev. 21:23 And the city hath no need of the sun, nor of the moon, to shine in it.
For the glory of God hath enlightened it,
and the Lamb is the lamp thereof.
22:5 And night shall be no more: and they shall not need the light of the lamp, nor the light of the sun, because the Lord God shall enlighten them, and they shall reign forever and ever.
Genesis 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
And God said: Be light made. And light was made. 4And God saw the light that it was good; and he divided the light from the darkness.
5And he called the light Day, and the darkness Night; and there was evening and morning one day.
The above detail is metaphorical,
GOD’S WORK IS ALWAYS LIGHT, AND THE EVIL WORK IS ALWAYS DARKNESS!
God simply ONLY CALLED THEM NIGHT AND DAY, BUT NOT YET IN THEIR FUNCTION AS DAYS AND NIGHTS! It is A SPIRITUAL reference to GOD’S WORK IN THE NEW CREATION DIFFERENT FROM Genesis 1:1; WHICH WAS IN GOD’S HULL HARMONY, WITHOUT DAYS AND NIGHTS; AND NO DARKNESS AT ALL!
BUT A NEW CREATION CREATED BY GOD SHARED BETWEEN
LIGHT AND DARKNESS, GOOD AND THE EVIL! WHERE LUCIFER/SATAN DID NOT PARTICIPATE!
LUCIFER PROTESTED REGARDING THE INTRODUCTION OF MAN BY GOD PRECISELY IN THIS NEW CREATION AFTER THE FIRST CREATION IN GENESIS 1:1 OF
THE HEAVEN AND THE EARTH,
NOTICE THE HEAVEN IS SINGULAR, NOW READ
Genesis 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished,…..
NOW GOD KNEW THAT CREATION WAS ABOUT TO BE CORRUPTED, PINPOINTED OUT IN
Ezekiel 28:15 You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created,
till iniquity was found in you.
17 Your heart was lifted up because of your beauty; you corrupted your wisdom for the sake of your splendor;
GOD KNEW LUCIFER’S HEART AND HIS EVENTUAL REBELLION, AND THIS STATE WAS SOMEHOW REFLECTED IN GENESIS 1:1, BUT CAME INTO EFFECT IN GENESIS 1:2HE REBELLED AND FLOODED THE EARTH! THE MURDERER FROM THE BEGINNING! PSALM 18! WHERE DAVID WAS
THE ONLY ONE SAVED
NOW back to
Genesis 1:14And God said: Let there be lights made in the firmament of heaven,
to divide the day and the night,
OK? ONLY IN THIS VERSE, IT IS SAYING THATTHE LIGHT IS DIVIDING THE DAY AND THE NIGHT, SO NOW THEY STARTED FUNCTIONING AS SUCH!
and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days and years:
ONLY IN THE ABOVE VERSE IS SAYING THAT THEY ARE FOR SIGNS
for seasons, and for days and years:
NOT BEFORE!15To shine in the firmament of heaven, and to give light upon the earth.
And it was so done.
OK? NOW IT WAS DONE! TO ME, IN VIEW OF THE ABOVE, THE MENTION OF “DAY” OF CREATION IS NOT A LITERAL DAY! KEEP ON READING!
16And God made two great lights: a greater light to rule the day;
and a lesser light to rule the night: and the stars.
THERE WERE NO DAYS AND NIGHTS AS SUCH BEFORE!
17And he set them in the firmament of heaven to shine upon the earth. 18And to rule the
day and the night,
and to divide the light and the darkness.
And God saw that it was good. 19And the evening and morning were the fourth day.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Carmel: Mike, Genesis 1:1 has nothing to do with Genesis 1:2!
Genesis 1:1 was created in God’s harmony, and God is Light!
The entire cosmos, in Genesis 1:1, OBVIOUS UP TO THAT MOMENT IN TIME, was created in full light!
Genesis 1:1 says God created the heaven and the earth. God later wrote on a tablet with His own finger that in six days, He created the heaven and the earth. So yes, 1:1 is the first part of what God did on the very first day (Gen 1:1-5). The world was dark, and then later in that same first day, God created light, and then separated the light from the darkness – effectively creating “days” and “nights”.
All of these things happened on the very first day of creation.
Your statements are in direct opposition to what we can read for ourselves in Genesis 1:1-5, Carmel.
I didn’t bother to read the rest of your novel.
Atta boy! Now say it clearly so there are no misinterpretations on our part. Are you really saying that God created THE HEAVEN and THE EARTH within that six day period? If so, say it plainly for us.
1) One way to interpret this is that he created all things in 6 stages. Stages that are not how you understand them. That is, a day as measured by the sun. This is a reasonable assumption given that your view places the creation of the sun on the fourth day anyway, so why measure a day that is calculated by a celestial object that hasn’t been created yet. Lol. This is one elephant in the room you continually ignore. Can you not at least smell the peanuts on its breath?
And that first stage / day could be billions of years for all we know. Further, there is nothing to say that each day was the exact amount of time in units as you assume. After all, if they were all 24 hours, then he did, 99.9999999999999999… % on the first day in comparison to the next days. So why not just do it all in one day?
It is written that God is not a man. Thus he is not subject to anything that men are. He doesn’t wake up when the sun appears and go to sleep when it disappears. He doesn’t set his watch to this 24 hour cycle, but is long suffering unlike us. In fact, he dwells in heaven. And the sun is not even a dot compared to him. He can see all atoms, planets, galaxies, etc and even has the hairs on our head numbered. I bet he knows how many sand grains there are on all the beaches of the world. Yet somehow, you would have us believe that he has 24 hour days like us? Is there a big sun in heaven Mike that he looks up to Mike? Of course, the sun or any sun doesn’t dictate time for an eternal God who dwells in Heaven.
But you must not forget this one thing, dear friends: A day is like a thousand years to the Lord, and a thousand years is like a day.
I think you have forgotten this one thing Mike. You should correct this.
2) Another interpretation is that the 6 days of creation is talking about the things he did after he said ‘Now’ in Genesis 1:1.
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
So creation of our world and view of the heavens could be simply referring to the ground we stand on (as the planet was once watery) and the view of the heavens we see in the vault. So the heavens here could have been made visible to us within the six days of creation after the heavens and earth were already established.
3) Your theory which I will call the ‘Youth Group Sunday School Theory for Kids who have Flat Earth Parents’ starts with nothing except God. Then God created a flat pizza world in 6 days and created the planets and stars later on in a glass giant dome that he lowered down on top of the pizza. I say laid down because up and down are a universal thingamajig for some reason. While there is the issue of fossilized dinosaurs to contend with, Antarctic explorers and tourists, satellites, and Southern hemisphere distances that do not add up to a flat earth, this can be explained by millions of elites who blind us from the truth. Even that photo of Mt Taranaki that I posted on the Flat earth topic is photoshopped, despite it being taken by a friend of mine and posted by me. Perhaps my friend is a lizard shape shifter? I’ll keep an eye out when he blinks to see if his pupils dilate like a lizard.
Now the thing about your theory Mike is that it doesn’t matter how many times you try to make it sound credible, it will never be credible to any normal or coherent person and most children. Your ideas cannot be proven with either the bible or science, yet somehow you not only believe it, but might even die for that belief. Like that flat earth pilot who died flying a homemade rocket. What a waste of a being made in God’s image.
But if I was forced to believe in the 6 literal days because I might get burnt at the stake or something like that, then, then I could give it credibility by likening it to a programmer who created a virtual world. So that he can create objects it in any order he wants. Then boots the world up and there it is. However, for the reasons I gave before, days to God are different to days for us. Although, I am sure that there are some similarities with creating a virtual world as there is with a real world. The same way that there is similarities with creating a robot and God creating our bodies. We see our own designs are often just copies of something God created.
Anyway, that is all I have to say for now. Now let’s watch you double down on your theory and ignore everything I just said. Lol. Welcome to Mike’s World.
Carmel: NOTICE THE HEAVEN IS SINGULAR, NOW READ
Genesis 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished…
Heaven is plural in the Hebrew throughout Gen 1 also.
Carmel: NOW GOD KNEW THAT CREATION WAS ABOUT TO BE CORRUPTED, PINPOINTED OUT IN
Ezekiel 28:15 You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created,
till iniquity was found in you.
17 Your heart was lifted up because of your beauty; you corrupted your wisdom for the sake of your splendor;
GOD KNEW LUCIFER’S HEART AND HIS EVENTUAL REBELLION, AND THIS STATE WAS SOMEHOW REFLECTED IN GENESIS 1:1, BUT CAME INTO EFFECT IN GENESIS 1:2But the Ezekiel passage begins…
Ezekiel 28:12-14… You were the seal of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. You were in Eden, the garden of God. Every kind of precious stone adorned you: ruby, topaz, and diamond, beryl, onyx, and jasper, sapphire, turquoise, and emerald…
Notice that Lucifer was still “the seal of perfection” while he was in Eden, the garden of God. Lucifer’s rebellion began when he tricked Eve into eating from the tree of knowledge.
Carmel: HE REBELLED AND FLOODED THE EARTH! THE MURDERER FROM THE BEGINNING! PSALM 18! WHERE DAVID WAS THE ONLY ONE SAVED
Yahweh flooded the earth, and Noah and his family were the only ones saved in the ark.
Carmel: Genesis 1:14 And God said: Let there be lights made in the firmament of heaven,
to divide the day and the night,OK? ONLY IN THIS VERSE, IT IS SAYING THAT
THE LIGHT IS DIVIDING THE DAY AND THE NIGHT, SO NOW THEY STARTED FUNCTIONING AS SUCH!
and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days and years:
ONLY IN THE ABOVE VERSE IS SAYING THAT THEY ARE FOR SIGNS
for seasons, and for days and years:
NOT BEFORE!15To shine in the firmament of heaven, and to give light upon the earth.
And it was so done.
OK? NOW IT WAS DONE! TO ME, IN VIEW OF THE ABOVE, THE MENTION OF “DAY” OF CREATION IS NOT A LITERAL DAY! KEEP ON READING!
16And God made two great lights: a greater light to rule the day;
and a lesser light to rule the night: and the stars.
THERE WERE NO DAYS AND NIGHTS AS SUCH BEFORE!
The first three days (before the sun, moon, and stars) were also called “days” and “nights” by God, right? Those first three days also had a period of light and period of darkness – just like “days” do today, right? So what would make you think that the time period God called “days” and “nights” before the creation of the sun would be any different to the “days” and “nights” after the sun? Did God change the words they were called after the creation of the sun? Did God change the makeup of them (ie: a period of light and a period of dark)? Didn’t the first three days also have an evening and a morning – just like days have always had after the creation of the sun?
So, aside from the presence of the sun, moon, and stars… how exactly were the first three “days” different than all the days that have transpired since the creation of the sun?
Why should we understand them as different time periods than the days after the sun? Is there any scriptural reason for assuming that, although God didn’t call them something different or say there was anything different about them, there was something different about them?
Please elaborate on the reasoning behind your assumption.
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