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Mike: The Bible says that the earth was formed FROM water.
Proclaimer: In 2015, a new volcano came out from water. So it is made of water according to Mike. Lol.
2 Peter 3:5… But they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed from water and by water.
The word “from” is the Greek “ek” – and means “from”.
This Greek word is also used in Matthew 3:9… God is able to raise up children to Abraham from these stones. This doesn’t mean that God will make human beings rise up out of the stones, but that God can make human beings from stones.
The word “formed” in 2 Pet 3:5 is as follows…
Among it’s various meanings is “composed of”. According to Thayer’s Greek Lexicon, this is the meaning of the word in 2 Pet 3:5…
As I understand it, Peter was telling us that the earth was originally nothing but water, and God made the terra firma part of the earth from that water. This would align with Genesis 1:1-2, where the only substance mentioned after the creation of the earth is water.
Proclaimer: I also think saying that the heavens and earth were created 6000 years before they creation of man is foolish and lays a stumbling block to many who could swayed to believe in God, but are put off by stone age thinking of those who claim to be enlightened.
What is this “stone age” of which you speak? You didn’t learn the idea that ancient man was less intelligent than modern man from scripture – but from scientism. Meanwhile, modern man still can’t figure out how the pyramids were built, or how we’d be able to do it today even with our modern machinery.
Proclaimer: If scripture says that God created the heavens and the earth before the first day, then why not accept it?
But scripture doesn’t say any such thing – and you’ll be able to see that as clear as day by the time I’m done posting today.
Proclaimer: Mike, if you are going to believe that every mention of day Yom is exactly 12 or 24 hours in length, then don’t stop there…
This is what’s called a strawman argument. For those who don’t know, it’s the practice of making a false claim of what your opponent is arguing so you can easily knock that false claim down and proclaim victory over something the other guy never actually argued in the first place.
I have never said that every mention of day (yom) in the Bible is exactly 12 or 24 hours in length – and have actually said that the Hebrew “yom” is used precisely as the English “day” is used.
Proclaimer: If God made the heavens and earth on the first day, then it seems that he created the sun after the heavens and the earth meaning that the sun is not part of the heavens and earth because they were already created. Lol x 2.
The Bible says that God created the sun on day four – after He created the heaven, the earth, light, the firmament, dry ground, and even vegetation. So it is true that the sun was not originally a part of the heaven and the earth any more than vegetation was originally a part of the heaven and the earth. This is what the Bible teaches, so I don’t understand your “Lol”. Are you laughing at the Bible? 🤔
Listen to what the scriptures actually say…
Genesis 2:1-3… Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
The word “host” is as follows…
Proclaimer, the sun wasn’t originally a part of the heaven and the earth, but was created later as one of the hosts of heaven.
Psalm 33:6… By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.
Isaiah 40:26… Lift up your eyes on high, And see who has created these things, Who brings out their host by number; He calls them all by name, By the greatness of His might And the strength of His power; Not one is missing.
So the Bible says that the heaven and the earth were created on the first day, and then the host of them (sun, moon, stars, plants, animals, Adam, fish, etc) were created during the following five days.
Exodus 20: 9-11… Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God… For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
1. The Bible says that in six days, God created the heaven, the earth, and all that is in them. That refutes your (and Gene’s) argument that there can be a gap between Gen 1:1 and 1:2. It refutes your argument that the heaven and earth were already in existence, and the six “time periods” are when God terraformed the earth, or whatever. Scripture makes it abundantly clear that within the very same six “time periods”, both the heaven/earth AND all that is in them were created.
Proclaimer and Gene: Do you guys now accept what the scriptures teach, and therefore accept that everything relating to the Biblical creation account – INCLUDING THE HEAVEN AND THE EARTH – was created within the same six “time periods”?
2. The Bible makes it abundantly clear that the six “time periods” were literal 24 hour days. We know this as fact because…
A. Anytime a “day” is identified with “evening and morning” in scripture, it refers to a literal 24 hour day.
B. Anytime a “day” is identified with a number in scripture, it refers to a literal 24 hour day.
C. The Sabbath is predicated on the fact that God created the heaven, the earth, and everything in them in six days, and rested from that work on the seventh day. If the days were six “long time periods”, then the Israelites would observe a Sabbath for one “long time period” after every six “long time periods”. But the Israelites observed the Sabbath for one literal 24-hour day after every six literal 24-hour days.
D. God blessed and sanctified the seventh day. If these “days” were time periods of a thousand/million/billion years, then God would only bless and sanctify one thousand/million/billion year time period after every six thousand/million/billion year time periods had passed.
E. The lights God put in the firmament (sun, moon, stars) were for marking out days, seasons, and years – not weeks. The very concept of the seven day week comes from the fact that God created the heaven, the earth, and everything in them in six literal days, and rested on the seventh literal day.
Proclaimer and Gene: Do you now accept what the scriptures teach – and therefore accept that the days of creation were undeniably six literal 24-hour days?
3. The Bible says that the sun was created on day four, three days after the heaven and the earth were created – and a day after there already existed vegetation. Scientism says the sun existed before the earth, and billions of years before vegetation on earth.
Proclaimer and Gene: Which account is the truth?
Proclaimer: God created the heavens and the earth before the 6 days if you believe in the chronological order of Genesis 1… But if you want to hold to six 12 or 24 hour periods, then fine. You still need to accept that God created the heavens and earth before this. But it seems that you do not believe that, so it is you who ignores scripture.
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
Now….Day 1, Day 2, Day 3, Day 4, Day 5, Day 6, Day 7.
In my previous post, I used the scriptures themselves to expose your faulty reasoning and point out that the creation of the heaven and the earth were included in the six days. Will you continue to ignore scripture?
Aren’t these your own words?
An honest but mistaken man, once shown the truth, either ceases to be mistaken, or ceases to be honest.
Let’s see which route you and Gene take.
Proclaimer and Gene: Do you now accept what the scriptures teach – and therefore accept that the days of creation were undeniably six literal 24-hour days?
3. The Bible says that the sun was created on day four, three days after the heaven and the earth were created – and a day after there already existed vegetation. Scientism says the sun existed before the earth, and billions of years before vegetation on earth.
Proclaimer and Gene: Which account is the truth?
Yes good question it is….
Adam: Most of the Christian Apologists depend on this so called gap theory to prove that the Biblical creation story (The Priestly writer’s) can accommodate 14 billions years as claimed by the Modern Scientific evolution theory.
And like I keep pointing out, the ONLY reason people like Gene and Proclaimer have for this purposeful twisting of a clear and straightforward scriptural account is because they believe in scientism as much as (or more than) the scriptures, and are trying desperately to align them.
And even forgetting that the Gap Theory calls for millions of years of death before Adam sinned (which is the scriptural reason for death), the matter can be concluded with two simple Bible passages…
Genesis 2:1-3… Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
Clear teaching: The heaven, the earth, AND all the host of them were completed within the same six days, and God rested from that work on the seventh day.
Exodus 20: 8-11… Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work…For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Clear teaching: Man will rest on every seventh literal day because in six literal days, Yahweh made the heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them (every one of these things in the same six day period), and blessed, sanctified, and rested on the seventh literal day.
Proclaimer: Verse 1 already has the heavens and earth existing. It is not a title, it is a statement.
In conclusion I can see that not many are able to think for themselves, but rather prefer opinions and back the one that suits their bias. Many have a theory and will stick to it despite the facts. I am not sure what the point of acting like that is. But let the dishonest be dishonest and the honest be honest. Then let us all stand before God to give an account for our own life.
I sure hope all these condescending sermons you’ve been foisting upon us don’t come back to haunt you.
Gene: What if God did the same thing many times with this earth, and each time started a new creation of things on it.
Is there any scriptural reason to believe such a thing? No. The scriptures teach that God CREATED the heaven, the earth, and all that is in them during the same six days. There is no scriptural teaching of a 4.5 billion year old earth that may have been destroyed many different times. According to scripture, the heaven and the earth were created on day one, the firmament on day two, vegetation on day three, the sun, moon and stars on day four, animals on day five, and man on day six.
All of this in only six days, Gene. It wasn’t until 582,000 days later that God opened the windows of the firmament to allow the waters above it to flood the earth.
Gene: We have proof of things existing thousands if not millions of years before mankind as we know it today, ever existed on this earth.
We actually, truly, and literally don’t have any such proof of any such thing, Gene.
Gene: how long does it take a tree or fish , to petrify and turn into rock?
Actual science proves that it doesn’t take long at all…
Folklore has it, as reinforced in classrooms and national parks, that petrified wood takes “millions and millions” of years to form. I’ve listened as many people have protested the Biblical doctrine of the young earth. “It takes too long to petrify wood. The earth must be old.”
Imagine their surprise when they realize that wood can petrify quickly, and that no informed geologist would say it takes an excessively long time, certainly less time than it takes for wood to decay in a given environment…
During one field experiment, researchers dangled a block of wood down inside an alkaline spring in Yellowstone Park to see what effect this hot, silica-rich environment would have. In just one year, substantial petrification had occurred…
The point is, it does not take long ages to petrify wood, it just takes the right conditions.
These conditions, with abundant hot waters (i.e., “fountains of the great deep”—Genesis 7:11) and rampant volcanism, would be met during the flood of Noah’s day and the centuries following.
https://www.icr.org/article/how-long-does-it-take-for-wood-petrify/
Gene, you should try learning from science sources, instead of scientism sources. The bottom line is that it takes wood less time to petrify (in the right conditions) than to decay.
Here are a couple of petrified teddy bears, Gene. From the article…
The time needed for petrification depends on the size and porosity of the object. Small teddy bears take between three and five months. Larger porous items (large teddy bears and clothing) take six to 12 months. Non-porous items such as a top hat or a fireman’s helmet can take up to 18 months to be encased in stone.
The most impressive petrified objects are now just two bulges sticking out of the flowstone. These are the remains of a Victorian top hat and a lady’s bonnet left at the waterfall in 1853—some 148 years ago! These hats are now completely covered in a thick layer of flowstone—so much for its taking thousands of years for such flowstone thicknesses to form!
As I surveyed the petrified teddy bears at Knaresborough, I thought about how often I had been fed the myth that petrification needs millions of years. The Creator asked Job 38:4, in effect, ‘Were you there when I laid the foundations of the Earth?’ Taking this as our cue, we need to challenge those who promote millions of years, ‘Were you there to observe these processes taking place?’ There, at the Petrifying Well, I observed first hand that objects can petrify in months and years. Those teddy bears demolish a powerful cultural myth that prevents people believing what the Bible says about the true age of the Earth.
There are all kinds of examples of hammers, boots, and even modern radios becoming petrified in a very short time period. A bunch of time isn’t needed, Gene… only the right conditions. And check this out…
Scientism tells us that these rock layers take many millions of years to lay down. Do you suppose this tree just kept growing for millions of years as the rock layers were being slowly deposited?
Start listening to actual SCIENCE – and throw away the lies of scientism.
Gene: you said you understood radiocarbon dating, then they place things in existence over 50 thousands of years ago on this earth.
I understand radiocarbon dating enough to know it relies upon four assumptions about things we can’t possibly know…
1. The amount of C-14 when the organism died.
2. The rate of decay has been consistent since the organism died.
3. No C-14 leached into or out of the organism by means other than decay between the time of its death and now.
4. Its current environment has remained stable since its death.
This is the same with every form of radiometric dating, Gene. They all rely on assumptions about things we couldn’t possibly know. And there are hundreds of cases where the dates don’t align with the other assumptions of Scientism – and so they just fudge the data to fit the narrative. Here is one of my favorite examples where they kept changing the age of a skull based on other findings – making it clear that the original radiometric date wasn’t worth the paper it was written on. It only takes about 10 minutes to read, so please do…
https://answersingenesis.org/geology/radiometric-dating/the-pigs-took-it-all/
Maybe later we can talk a little about “dinosaur soft tissue”. Yep, scientists are finding soft and pliable red blood cells, collagen, and even DNA inside of dinosaur bones that are supposed to be 50 million years old. Do you think these things can remain soft and flexible for 50 million years, Gene? (If I remember correctly, the record-holder is some soft collagen in a sea plant that is said to be over a billion years old.)
Berean: Gene
When we rest on the seventh day, we are supposed to understand that God created our world in 6 days and rested on the Seventh day and set apart that day and sanctified it for man
Yep.
Carmel: AFTER GENESIS 1:2 GOD COMMENCED A NEW PHYSICAL CREATION COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FROM GENESIS 1:1
That is scripturally inaccurate, for we are told that in six days, God created the heaven, the earth, the sea, and everything in them. The six days are not separate from the creation of the heaven and the earth, but instead INCLUDE the creation of the heaven and the earth.
Adam: Yes brother Gene, the God mentioned in the creation stories of Genesis 1 & 2 was very much humanly that he needed to rest on a particular day.
Look into the teaching that God “rested” on the seventh day. Look up the meaning of the Hebrew word, and study some commentaries. Get back to us with the correction of your implication above that God “resting” on the seventh day meant that He humanly or literally needed a rest – as if He was out of strength or something. Thanks.
Mike…..Jesus said Matt 2:27-28…….And he (Jesus) said unto them, The sabbath was made “for man” and “not man” for the Sabbath : Therefore or (as a result). the Son of Man (Jesus Christ) is Lord “ALSO” (like the rest of mankind are) of the sabbath.
so what does the above prove, 1, Jesus is a man exactly like us.
2, He also then, being a man, exactly, like we are, is “also” lord of the.
Sabbath, Like we are too.Simple as that Mike, you either believe Jesus or not.
“so what does the above prove, 1, Jesus is a man exactly like us.”
Gene
Except
that “IN THE BEGINNING” HE WAS GOD AND WITH GOD THE FATHER AND THROUGH HIM ALL THINGS WERE CREATED AND THROUGH HIM EVERYTHING SUBSISTS.
“all things were created by him, and for him:
[17] And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.”(Colossians 1:16,17)Who is Our God?
Albert H. Darrow
Signs of the Times – April 10, 1907“God so loved the world, that He gave His only-begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” John 3:16.
As “there be gods many, and lords many” (1 Cor. 8:5), therefore we should wish to know which of the gods it is who manifests such an interest in human welfare, who loves us “with an everlasting love” (Jer. 31:3), and by whom, as we also learn, “are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises (2 Peter 1:4).
It is an old and trite saying that “promises are like pie-crust, made to be broken;” and, for this reason, it must be plain and obvious to every one that the question of real importance here is, From whom and to whom are these “precious promises” given? Peter says they are given to us, and that they include an immortal, divine, imperishable nature. But the us can not include those who are disobedient, and the nature of obedience depends on the character and personality of the God who makes the promises ; for He it must be who lays down the rules of obedience. It must be manifest to all that from a false, worthless, or fickle god only false, worthless, and fickle or unreliable promises could proceed: and therefore we are interested in the question, What God is this who so loved the world as to give His Son to suffer and die for the world, and by Him to make “exceeding great and precious promises” to those who would believe into eis Him?
The true answer to this question is not difficult to find. The Bible plainly tells us that the “God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,” who “so loved the world, that He gave His only-begotten Son,” “whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises,” is the same God who “in the beginning,” “created the heavens, and the earth” (Gen. 1:1), by His Son, Jesus Christ (Col. 1:16).
It is the God who, after He had created the substance of the world out of nothing, saw that it was “without forth and void;” and who, on the first day of the first week-the day we call Sunday-created the light, and divided it from the darkness. Gen. 1:2-4. It is the God who, on the second day of the week-the day we call Monday-divided the waters and placed between them a firmament, called heaven, or the atmosphere. Gen. 1:6-8. It is the God who, on the third day of the week-the day we call Tuesday-caused the dry land to appear and bring forth grass and herbs. Gen. 1: 9-12. It is the God who, on the fourth day of the week-the day we call Wednesday caused the sun, moon, and stars to appear, at least in visible form. Gen. 1: 14-18. It is the God who, on the fifth day of the week-the day we call Thursday-“created great whales, and every living” aquatic “creature.” Gen. 1:20-22. It is the God who, on the sixth day of the week-the day we call Friday-created land animals, and also “formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life.” Gen. 1:24, 25; 2:7.
From these circumstances we may know that our God is a God of power, that He is able to fulfil His promises, and that the provisions which He has made for our salvation, being founded in wisdom and omnipotence, will be efficacious. But, since they will be efficacious only to the us who obey His will, we must note further that our God is the God who, on the seventh day of the week-the day we call Saturday because that He had then worked six full days, “rested” (Gen. 2:1, 2) ; “and God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it” hallowed it, or made it to be holy time, and set it apart for the use of somebody, not Himself, because He had already finished His creative work and rested from it (Gen. 2:2, 3).
Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who had been the agent in all of His Father’s work of creation, said when He was upon earth, that “the Sabbath was made for man” (Mark 2:27), not for the Jewish nation, which came into existence 2,500 years after the day was set apart and made holy, but for every human being who was then alive, or who should thereafter issue from the stock of Adam.
God sent His Son into the world that He might bear the guilt of sinners; that is, law-breakers, violators of the divine law, and in order that men and women might become holy, as God is holy. Lev. 20:7 ; Matt. 5:48 ; Heb. 12:14. Since the sanctification, or holiness, of man implies a complete conformity to the law of God, the sanctification, or holiness, of a day of the week means that holiness, or sanctification, has been attached to that one specified day by God Himself, in accordance with His will or law; and that this sanctification, or holiness, can no more be detached from that day and applied to another day than holiness can be taken from a holy man and given to an unholy man. To do either of these things is beyond the power of any individual or any aggregation of individuals, whether composing a church or a State; and it is doubtful whether it would not be be: yond the power of God Himself to consistently change a law which is the foundation of His throne and dominion.
The very object of sending His Son into the world was to save sinners, by bringing them into conformity with His law, which existed from the beginning, but was reiterated on Sinai. There, amid the lightning’s flash, the thunder’s roar, and the trembling earth, God told the people with His own voice to have no gods before Him, to make unto themselves no image for worship, not to blaspheme, to remember and keep holy the Sabbath day which had been sanctified in Eden, to honor their parents, to commit no murder, nor adultery, nor theft, to be truthful, and to regard each other’s rights. No other law was spoken or written by God Himself, or put into the ark, under the mercy-seat, which was typical of God’s throne in heaven. The stone-written Decalogue is acknowledged by every one to have embodied at that time the fundamental principles of the divine government ; and, since it has never been changed, it is still a requirement of God, in order to be saved, that we should “fear God, and keep His commandments : for this is the whole duty of man.” Eccl. 12:13.
God bless
Gene, Jesus saying that HE is the Lord of the sabbath doesn’t mean that all men are – any more than Jesus saying HE existed in heaven with God before the world began means that all men did.
But I haven’t been talking about what day the sabbath was or if we are still obligated to follow it. I’ve just shown you and Proclaimer from scripture that the six days of creation INCLUDED the creation of the heaven and the earth.
Where is your response to the things I have talked about today?
The Bible says that God created the sun on day four
Making a statement that is biblically wrong, based on something you were taught at Sunday school when you were 4 years old, doesn’t make you right. Instead, it makes you look like a simpleton.
First off, what translation are you using? I don’t see the creation of the sun mentioned here as you imply. It simply states that day and night were created. That can be achieved if the sun which is part of the heavens and was already created, penetrates the atmosphere to the surface.
After all, it says “let there be light”. It doesn’t say, “let there be the sun” as you say.
I would recommend not adding or changing the text. Just read it and be open to the options that are possible.
“In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. The earth is the land you stand on and the heavens are the celestial objects like the sun.
Mike: The Bible says that God created the sun on day four.
Proclaimer: Making a statement that is biblically wrong, based on something you were taught at Sunday school when you were 4 years old, doesn’t make you right. Instead, it makes you look like a simpleton.
Taught in Sunday school? Simpleton? I tell you what the Bible actually says – and you tell me it is “biblically wrong”? 🤔
Proclaimer: First off, what translation are you using? I don’t see the creation of the sun mentioned here as you imply.
Any translation you want…
Genesis 1:16-19 KJV… 16And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. 17And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, 18And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. 19And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
Can you see that God made the sun, the moon, and the stars on the fourth day? Can you see that He set them in the firmament of the heaven? I’m really baffled by your response.
Proclaimer: It simply states that day and night were created.
No, that happened on day one – the day the heaven and the earth were created.
Genesis 1:3-5… 3And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. 4And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. 5And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
Proclaimer: That can be achieved if the sun which is part of the heavens and was already created, penetrates the atmosphere to the surface.
But the sun was clearly NOT a part of the heaven. The heaven itself was created on day one, but God didn’t create the sun, moon, and stars and place them in the firmament of heaven until day four.
Proclaimer: After all, it says “let there be light”. It doesn’t say, “let there be the sun” as you say.
Yes, on day one, God said, “Let there be light”. He did not say, “Let there be the sun” until day four. So light, day, and night were already in existence for 3 days before God created the sun and the stars and placed them in the firmament of heaven.
Proclaimer: I would recommend not adding or changing the text. Just read it and be open to the options that are possible.
Agreed. Are you ready to join me in doing exactly that yet?
Proclaimer: “In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. The earth is the land you stand on and the heavens are the celestial objects like the sun.
The land we stand on is currently a part of the earth – but it’s not the earth itself. The sun is in the heaven, but it’s not the heaven itself. Or to use your terminology, the sun is one of the many celestial objects IN the caelestis (heaven) – but it’s not the caelestis itself.
Maybe NASA can help you out…
Notice that even your hero NASA doesn’t say that the stars IN the sky ARE the sky. So why would you think that the sun and stars IN the heaven ARE the heaven? 🤔
Carmel: AFTER GENESIS 1:2 GOD COMMENCED A NEW PHYSICAL CREATION COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FROM GENESIS 1:1
Hi Mike,
You: That is scripturally inaccurate, for we are told that in six days, God created the heaven, the earth, the sea, and everything in them. The six days are not separate from the creation of the heaven and the earth, but instead INCLUDE the creation of the heaven and the earth.
Me: Mike Please since as you said you only read WHAT YOU PLEASE FROM MY POST, HERE IS WHAT I SAID, IF YOU WANT REALLY TO DISCUSS JOB 38:7
BY THE WAY I DON’T BELIEVE THAT YOU DON’T READ ALL MY POSTS!
HUMBLY SPEAKING, IT STANDS TO REASON THE WAY YOU SAY THINGS AND IT WOULD BE MORE OF A HEADACHE TO ANSWER ALL MY POST,
THIS TIME Mike, YOU HAVE TO READ BEFORE YOU DARE TO ANSWER ME PLEASE!
You: Right now we’re discussing whether God created the heaven and the earth in six literal 24 hour days
– or over billions of years. What say you?
ME: MIKE, UNLESS WE ARE IN ACCORD WITH GENESIS 1:1 WE WOULD NEVER BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND GENESIS 1:2,3 FOR THE SIMPLE REASON THAT THOUGH GOD HAS THE POWER TO CREATE ALL IN A TWINKLING OF AN EYE, AFTER GENESIS 1:2 GOD COMMENCED A NEW PHYSICAL CREATION COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FROM GENESIS 1:1 WHY?
GENESIS 1:1 THE ENTIRE COSMOS WAS CREATED IN TOTAL GOD’S HARMONY, WHICH COULD HAVE BEEN DONE IN NO TIME AT ALL, SIMPLY AS THE HEAVENLY REALMS WERE ALL AT GOD’S DISPOSAL, NEVERTHELESS,
BILLION AND BILLIONS PASSED IN GENESIS 1:1 BEFORE THE REBELLION OCCURRED.
WHILE IN GENESIS 1:2,3 LUCIFER AND HIS ANGELS, ONE-THIRD OF THE HEAVENLY REALMS ESTABLISHED THEMSELVES AS ENEMIES OF GOD, AND ALSO THE RIGHT TO BE PART OF THE SECOND WORLD, TOGETHER WITH GOD FOR THE POSSESSION OF THE
FLESH AND BLOOD OF HUMANS, OF WHICH LUCIFER/SATAN ACHIEVE IN ADAM AND EVE!
NOW GOD, A JUST GOD, RESPECTED HIS ENEMIES TO THE EXTENT THAT HE CREATED A NEW CREATION BETWEEN GOOD AND EVIL, BETWEEN LIGHT AND DARKNESS, BETWEEN
JESUS AND LUCIFER
BETWEEN THE MORNING STARS WHO WERE SIMPLY
SEPARATED AND NOT TOGETHER AS THEY WERE IN JOB 38:7
WITHOUT SATAN’S DIRECT PARTICIPATION AT ALL!
SIMPLY ALL BY “THE WORD” JESUS AS A SPIRIT
SLAIN LIKE A LAMB FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD REV.13:8
SO BACK TO JOB 38…
IN GENESIS 1:1 THERE WAS NO NEED FOR THE SEA, THE SUN, AND THE STARS, TO EXIST, THE FACT THAT YOU ALSO BELIEVE THAT IT WAS A FLAT EARTH!
THE ONLY TIME POSSIBLE THAT THE EARTH WAS FLAT!
Job 38: 10 I set my bounds around it, and made it bars and doors :
11And I said : Hitherto thou shalt come, and shalt go no further, and here thou shalt break thy swelling waves.
AS YOU CAN READ Mike, GOD CONTROLED THE SEA IN GENESIS 1:6 !
NOTICE, GOD SAID:
Hitherto thou shalt come, and shalt go no further,…..WHY MIKE?
AS CLEAR AS CRYSTAL LUCIFER FLOODED THE FIRST EARTH BUT NOT BY RAIN BUT BY FOUNTAINS WHICH BURSTED FROM EARTH,
GENESIS 2: 5 GOD DECLARED THAT HE NEVER CAUSED RAIN YET!
THUS THE FLOOD IN GENESIS 1:2 OCCURRED AT THE END OF GENESIS 1:1
BY LUCIFER WHO IN ACTUAL FACT IS
JOB HIMSELF, LUCIFER’S REMNANT! READ:
21Didst thou know then that thou shouldst be born ?
and didst thou know the number of thy days?
OK Mike, GOD REFERRED TO LUCIFER IN THE ABOVE SCRIPTURE, THE FACT THAT HE SAID TO JOB:
IF HE COULD KNOW THE ACTUAL NUMBER OF HIS DAYS RIGHT FROM THE VERY BEGINNING OF LUCIFER’S CREATION IN
JOHN1:1, IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD…..
THE BEGINNING Mr. Mike, WAS THE FIRST-EVER MORNING STAR, PHYSICALLY SPEAKING, AND WITHIN HIM WAS
THE REAL BRIGHT MORNING STAR HIDDEN WITHIN HIS HEART!
TOGETHER!
FOR THE SAKE OF LUCIFER’S FREE WILL, AND ALL THE HEAVENLY REALMS THROUGH HIM, PRECISELY
“THE WORD” JESUS, TO BE, THE SON OF MAN TO BE,
THE WORD MADE FLESH!
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
‘” Mike…..you saying, it doesn’t mean we also are lord of the Sabbath, only shows me your inability to put simple scriptures together . Jesus had just said man was not created for the Sabbath, but the Sabbath was created for him, which plainly shows that the Sabbath is gifted to us, freely from God, now any gift given a person is his to do with as he chooses, as a result then, we are lords of it and have complete control of it, we can use it as a blessing or simply not use it at all, it’s our choice , seeing it been given to us freely.
The same thing applied to the man Jesus Christ “ALSO”. we are lords of the Sabbath, just as Jesus is “ALSO”. WE CAN KEEP IT OR NOT KEEP IT, there are times when we need to break it for certain reasons that come up. Like emergencies, as well as other things , the blessing of the Sabbath is the idea of (rest) it is good for us to do that at times, in order to be refreshed and regenerated. but turning the Sabbath into a “LAW” (forced compliance) , AS THOSE BLIND and “ARROGANT ” PHARISEES, Were doing, is stupid.
Yes we are lords of the Sabbath just exactly like Jesus was and is.peace and love to you and yours Mike……….gene
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