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Mike and Adam , Proclaimer, Berean, Carmel, Miia, anyone else, “finally”, a site that is preaching the whole truth about who Jesus is, and the word of God. It’s about time to hear the whole truth, from an organization, so that people can get rid of all the trash that false Christianity has preached and lied to us about over the last seventeen hundred years. They are doing a great job, check it out and give me back what you think.
Check this out , ” the 21 century reformation ” group site , you can find it on, You Tube.
peace and love to you “all” and yours……….gene
Interesting that you are suspicious of MSM – but consider it more credible than the data I show that goes against the MSM narrative. You must know by now that the MSM has a vested interest in promoting these injections, and put a pro-vax spin on any news that goes against their narrative – if they report on it at all, right?
The mainstream media stick to their narrative and will lie or hide stories that go against it.
You do the same thing. You have a narrative too (like the Trinitarians do) and will stick to that one no matter what the facts are.
In my honest opinion if I had to choose you or the MSM for truth, I would say the MSM is slightly better.
At least they don’t spin the flat earth narrative and they often come around to the truth eventually. Like the Lab Leak theory.
They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie.
They use the terms “racist” and “white nationalist” the same way today. You like Trump? You’re automatically a white nationalist racist. You want to see America succeed? That’s only because you’re a white nationalist racist! You want free and fair elections where only citizens can vote? You’re a pathetic white nationalist racist – even if your skin color is brown!
I agree. This is another deception that has gripped people’s minds. There are two groups.
- Those that love the truth and because of that, avoid deception.
- Those that do not love the truth and therefore, fall to deception.
And within the deceived group, there are opposing narratives that they battle one another against. This tactic makes people believe that this is the two groups. It is not. One group for the deceived.
For example, Antifa vs Fascists.
Both are fascist. Two sides of the same thing.
Another example would be Evolution vs six literal earth days of creation or even the Flat Earth. Both opposing groups think they are two different groups when in actual fact, both are deceived. The full truth is in neither camp.
At the end of the day, there are those that love truth and ultimately avoid deception, and those who do not love truth and fall for deception.
There is a God who is true and there is an adversary who espouses lies, even contradictory lies.
Tell us why Jesus said God drew a circle on the face of the deep. Tell us why Isaiah not only described the earth as a circle, but also described the heavens like a tent over that circle – when there is no such thing as a spherical tent.
Tell us why a sphere is not a 3D circle.
Tell us why a cube is not a 3D square.
Tell us why the globe being surrounded by sky is not like a tent.
Lol. You can’t.
You have a problem with the third dimension it seems.
Let me fry your brain even further. There is a fourth dimension too.
I will try and help you though.
If I had to meet you somewhere in God’s creation, we would need 4 dimensions of information to catch up successfully.
- Latitude or similar measurement.
- Longitude or similar measurement.
- Altitude or similar measurement.
- Time.
As you can see, two dimensions would not enough to connect up and neither would two dimensions be enough to fully navigate through creation. You could be on the wrong floor of a building and turn up at the wrong time.
My advice. Try and grasp the other two dimensions.
Start with the third.
When you have that sorted, then figure out what time means.
When you have grasped this, then think about how a sphere is a circle and a cube is a square, but viewed in two dimensions.
Let me know how you get on.
Thanks Gene, I have saved 2 vids (“Jesus Is One of Us” and “Trinitarian Fictions and Fantasies”) to my Watch Later file. I will give them a listen soon and let you know what I think.
Proclaimer: The mainstream media stick to their narrative and will lie or hide stories that go against it.
You do the same thing… In my honest opinion if I had to choose you or the MSM for truth, I would say the MSM is slightly better.
So the MSM lies, and I do the same thing, huh? Just can’t help yourself, can you?
Don’t you find it odd that the things that I, Miia and Jodi said were going on are now being revealed to have been going on the whole time we told you they were going on? For example…
Proclaimer: At least… they often come around to the truth eventually. Like the Lab Leak theory.
So we were showing you evidence that Covid was unleashed upon the world (not accidentally leaked) by the CCP while you and the MSM were calling us “conspiracy theorists”. Now, there is so much evidence that the MSM has been forced into a corner and starts hinting that MAYBE an ACCIDENTAL lab leak is the cause after all, and you think THEY are “slightly better” than us because they had to finally admit what they had been bending over backwards to cover up for 2 years?
Proclaimer, is it possible that I threaten you because I expose your faulty reasoning on a regular basis – and that’s why if I claim “white” at any time on any subject, your first reaction is to immediately argue for “black” and start slinging ad hominems at me? Just a thought, but that conclusion does seem to fit the evidence.
Proclaimer: Another example would be Evolution vs six literal earth days of creation or even the Flat Earth. Both opposing groups think they are two different groups when in actual fact, both are deceived. The full truth is in neither camp.
You lost me here… The Bible teaches that God created the heaven, the earth, and everything in them in 6 days and rested on the 7th. The Bible teaches that the earth is flat and stationary with a hard-as-bronze heaven-tent covering it. Are you saying that the people who believe these Bible teachings are deceived?
Mike: Tell us why Jesus said God drew a circle on the face of the deep. Tell us why Isaiah not only described the earth as a circle, but also described the heavens like a tent over that circle – when there is no such thing as a spherical tent.
Proclaimer: Tell us why a sphere is not a 3D circle.
Sure, a ball can be considered a 3D version of a circle. So can frisbees and pizzas and apple pies. But like I said before, we don’t call balls “circles” do we?
Isaiah 22:18… He will roll you up tightly like a ball and throw you into a large country.
Proclaimer, does Isaiah know what a ball is? After all, he didn’t say that God would roll them up tightly into a CIRCLE and throw them into a large country, right? That tells me that Isaiah knows the difference between a circle and a ball. Would you agree?
So when Isaiah said that God sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, do you think he was envisioning a spinning ball, but for some reason called it a circle?
And how about Jesus? When he said that he was there when God inscribed a circle on the face of the deep, what does that mean? How does that one work for your ball earth model? Please enlighten us.
Proclaimer: Tell us why the globe being surrounded by sky is not like a tent.
Um… there is no such thing as a spherical tent today – and there wasn’t any such thing in Isaiah’s day either. There was, however, a bunch of domed nomad tents in Isaiah’s day, right? So I think the onus is on you to tell us why a globe being surrounded by sky IS like a tent. Where can I buy one of these ball tents? Please enlighten us.
Here’s where we’re at right now…
1. Isaiah clearly knows the difference between a circle and a ball, but described the earth as a circle – not a ball. You say that Isaiah was seeing/envisioning a ball, but for some unknown reason described it as a circle nonetheless. You don’t offer any scriptural reason for this claim – only your own current belief that we live on a ball and therefore that must have been what Isaiah was describing as a circle. Unscriptural and very weak.
2. Isaiah said that God spreads out the heaven over the earth as a tent in which we can dwell. Isaiah was very familiar with domed tents, and there still to this day doesn’t exist any such thing as a spherical tent. You say that the skies surrounding a ball could be called a tent – but don’t offer any scriptural or secular evidence of a spherical tent. Unscriptural and very weak – a grasping at straws if I ever saw one.
3. Jesus said that he watched God inscribe a circle on the face of the deep, and set a boundary for the sea that it could not surpass. You say… well, you haven’t addressed this one yet. Please enlighten us, because to me, it would fit perfectly with the Antarctic ice wall as shown in the United Nations flat earth logo…
Here’s the logo with the AE Map inserted…
Notice the circle (ice wall) inscribed on the great deep, beyond which the waters cannot pass. (And why is the UN logo a flat earth map in the first place? Do they know something they don’t want us to know? 🤔)
Anyway, this is just a suggestion of what may be meant by the circle Jesus watched God inscribe on the face of the great deep. I’m curious to hear your explanation for how Jesus watched God inscribe a circle onto a ball.
Tent definition
a portable shelter made of cloth, supported by one or more poles and stretched tight by cords or loops attached to pegs driven into the ground.
Do you see now how vain you statement is below?
Um… there is no such thing as a spherical tent today – and there wasn’t any such thing in Isaiah’s day either. There was, however, a bunch of domed nomad tents in Isaiah’s day, right?
Obviously you cannot take this literally either way Mike. Lol. It is not a temporary covering supported by poles and pegs.
Another correction for Mike
So we were showing you evidence that Covid was unleashed upon the world (not accidentally leaked) by the CCP while you and the MSM were calling us “conspiracy theorists”.
I never had an issue with the lab leak theory and many other theories. In fact, it is what I thought likely from the very beginning.
I have a problem with Jesus being created as mere man only and was not the Word of God. That God is a triune being. Or the Bible teaches a flat earth and science proves it. And vaccines don’t work.
I just have a problem with dumb conspiracy theories.
A student of the truth and the light ought to be careful about what they teach. It can reflect badly on the truth when they utter it because a little leaven works through the whole batch.
2D Earth?
Hey Mike. You haven’t been corrected on this particular point yet.
A circle is defined as the following:
circle is a shape consisting of all points in a plane that are at a given distance from a given point, the centre; equivalently it is the curve traced out by a point that moves in a plane so that its distance from a given point is constant.
Thus, neither the globe or your flat earth model truly a circle by definition is it?
Both the globe and the flat earth are 3D with circular properties. They are not fully residing in a 2D plane. If you take a photo of the globe or look down on it from above to view it as a 2D object, then it is a circle. Same goes for the pizza in a wok,vexcept you are more limited as to seeing it as a circle.
So, as far as defining one of these as a circle, it seems a bit rich to suggest that a globe is not a circle and the flat earth is. Take a look at these two models.
They both look 3D to me, but projected in 2D.
So are you suggesting that the Bible teaches that the earth is 2D? Lol.
Another debunk.
Proclaimer: Tent definition
a portable shelter made of cloth, supported by one or more poles and stretched tight by cords or loops attached to pegs driven into the ground.Yes, tents are supported by poles (pillars) and are attached to the ground. The spherical tent you imagine is neither of those things, and doesn’t exist in reality.
According to the Bible, both the heaven and the earth are supported by pillars. This website goes through a lot of ancient writings from different cultures that describe the pillars of our heaven-tent. I’ve only included Hebrew and Egyptian in the above screenshot to give you the idea, but the following images drive home my point…
Some of the same cultures are included in both images, but any honest person can get the idea that ALL ancient cosmologies included a disk earth with a physical firmament dome over it. The idea of a spinning ball in outer space didn’t even enter the picture until 500 years ago – and even then didn’t become widely accepted until very recently. As you can see for yourself, NASA’s spinning ball earth is the blatant exception to all of the other cosmologies – including the Hebrew one.
Now listen closely… The Bible says the earth is a circle with a hard-as-bronze dome over it that has windows in it (God opened them to let the flood waters in during Noah’s day). The Bible says that the sun, moon, and all of the stars run circuits over our circle earth in this firmament (not that a ball earth runs a circuit around a sun that wasn’t even created until four days later). On behalf of Joshua, God commanded the sun and moon to stand still in the sky (not the earth to stop spinning and orbiting the sun).
So knowing these things – and looking at the images above – is it more likely that Isaiah was talking about a disk earth with a dome-tent (supported by pillars/poles) over it? Or a spinning ball orbiting a sun that wasn’t created until four days later?
I’m asking for your honest and unbiased assessment of which option Isaiah was more likely describing in 740 BC with the words “God sits enthroned above the circle of the earth and spreads out the heaven like a tent for us to dwell in”.
Let go of your pride for a second, and just honestly acknowledge what the rest of the world already accepts – that while you personally believe that we live on a spinning ball and that the Bible writers were merely describing the world based on their primitive and limited perspectives – they were in fact describing a circular disk earth with a domed heaven vault over the top of it.
Can you do that?
Proclaimer: I have a problem with Jesus being created as mere man only and was not the Word of God. That God is a triune being. Or the Bible teaches a flat earth and science proves it. And vaccines don’t work.
None of us have a problem with those problems you have… until they cause you to call us deceptive liars. I too have a problem with a triune God that isn’t taught anywhere in scripture – but I don’t think Kathi and Carmel are liars. I also have a problem with the unscriptural idea that Jesus was never anything other than a man – but I don’t think Gene and Jodi are purposely telling us stuff that they don’t even believe in an attempt to intentionally mislead us into believing things they know are false.
And when I proclaim (and support with much evidence) my beliefs that both the Bible and science indicate a flat earth, and that vaccines are useless money-making devices of evil people – it’s not because I actually believe the opposite and I’m trying to trick people into believing stuff that I know is untrue. I proclaim these things because I truly, honestly, and sincerely believe that they are true.
Proclaimer: I just have a problem with dumb conspiracy theories.
Yet you just posted about the MSM finally owning up to the “dumb conspiracy theory” about a Wuhan lab leak, right? Here’s another recent example of one of those “dumb conspiracy theories” being exposed as having been the truth of the matter the whole time…
The truth will always out eventually. The “Great Awakening” is happening right now because so many of these “dumb conspiracy theories” are being outed as truth right before our very eyes. (This is because the slow and steady deep state plans of increasing the heat in the pot of water so slowly that we would have boiled to death without even knowing it are being rushed because of the moves Trump and Q made.)
So just keep watching. You’ll keep seeing a ton of “dumb conspiracy theories” being revealed as truth in the near future. But some of them, like fake vaccines designed to hurt, kill, and cull the population, the 9-11 inside job, and our beautiful 6000 year old circular disk earth with a heaven-tent firmament may not be fully revealed in your lifetime on earth. You may have to wait until the resurrection before you finally realize the truth of these things, and many others that you currently believe are “dumb conspiracy theories”.
Proclaimer: Hey Mike. You haven’t been corrected on this particular point yet… neither the globe or your flat earth model truly a circle by definition is it? So are you suggesting that the Bible teaches that the earth is 2D? Lol.
Wow, you really got me there. When I say the phrase “flat earth”, I do so with the assumption that people are smart enough to understand that I don’t mean flat like a piece of paper – let alone 2 dimensional. Yes, the earth has mountains and valleys and oceans, etc. It is not literally a flat 2D circle. I assumed that was a given. 🙄
But which type of circle do you suppose Jesus and Isaiah were talking about in the Bible? The 3D disk type circle that I assume? Or the 2D rendering of a ball that you assume? Which one would rest on pillars/foundations so that it cannot be moved? Which one would have a heaven tent covering it that also rests on pillars attached to the earth? On which one could Jesus observe God inscribe a circle on the face of the deep and tell the waters they can only come this far, and no farther? Which one would contain windows in the heaven – that God could open to let the waters above flood the earth? Which one would have the sun, moon, and stars running circuits over the circle earth? Which one could have a tree or a mountain that could be seen from anywhere on the circle of the earth? In which model could God command the sun and the moon to stand still in the sky?
This isn’t really that hard, Proclaimer. You know all of these Bible verses, right? You have to realize by now that they all point to only one of our models, right? Here’s one of the images you just posted…
Do you see the dotted white circle on your image? Could that be the circle that Jesus saw God inscribe on the face of the deep? Could it be the circle of the earth that Isaiah described – with God sitting enthroned above the domed, hard-as-bronze heaven-tent firmament?
And where did your image come from? Just another one of the vast majority of people who – whether or not they believe the earth is a ball in actuality – understand that the Bible clearly describes the earth as shown in the image?
What does that tell you? Does it tell you that you’re fighting an uphill battle all alone? It should.
Yes, tents are supported by poles (pillars) and are attached to the ground.
Lol. Look we know you are clueless when it comes to science and the fact that scripture tells us that knowledge shall increase. Thus today, we should have more science than the bronze age and certainly we do. We have satellites navigating around the earth 24 x 7. We even have humans in one of these and I have seen that (space station) with my own eyes.
But Mike, you assume that the earth sits on stone pillars. Sorry buddy, but you are still in the bronze age, more aptly the stone age. A pillar is a metaphor for a support. A person can be a pillar of his community. It just means ‘support’. We even see this in kind of language in scripture where the word pillar is likened to persons. Pillars means foundations and a foundation is not always a stone pillar. Lol.
But you prefer to ignore increased knowledge and take the Bible literally. So that would mean that there is a literal sword coming out of Jesus mouth in Revelation 5. Further, Zebedee the father of James and John would be actual thunder since Jesus called them sons of thunder. Another example of ignoring the metaphorical aspect of scripture would force you to believe that Jesus is a loaf of bread since he is the bread of life and would also double as a door as he is the door of the sheep. And by extension, us that follow Christ would be actual sheep with wool on our backs.
Seriously Mike. You have no credibility. Your reputation here is shot. Your teachings are primitive, ignorant, and an embarrassment to yourself and the faith you say you represent.
The circle of the earth or the square of the earth?
Try and fathom these two scriptures with your stone age science Mike. I look forward to your enlightening explanation which we both know will not be true. So why didn’t God see a square or rectangle Mike? Lol.
After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth, so that no wind would blow on the earth or on the sea or on any tree.
He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth,
Now look at your model of the earth and tell me where the four corners are please.
I’m waiting…
Pillars vs floating
Another conundrum for you to sort out Mike.
For the pillars of the earth are the Lord’s and he had set the world upon them.
Sheol is naked before God, and Abaddon has no covering. He stretches out the north over empty space; He hangs the earth upon nothing. He wraps up the waters in His clouds,
I guess your answer would be to say that it hangs on nothing because it is supported by stone pillars. Hilarious if that is the case.
But look, three disciples were stone pillars.
and when James and Cephas and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given to me, they gave the right hand of fellowship to Barnabas and me, that we should go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised.
So am I to assume that these three men were stone pillars of a church building?
The madness continues.
Hi Gene,
YOU: a site that is preaching the whole truth about who Jesus is, and the word of God.
ME: Gene your mentality is still CARNAL and your declaration above REGARDING
JESUS AND HIS WORD IT HAS TO BE DEFINITELY SPIRITUAL!
READ:
2Corinthians 5:16Wherefore henceforth,
we know no man according to the flesh.
And if we have known Christ according to the flesh;
but now we know him so no longer.
JESUS GENE IS NO LONGER A MAN IN FLESH BUT
GODMAN
FOR THE GLORY OF GOD THE FATHER AS THE FATHER WAS NOT IN THE POSITION TO BECOME SO BY HIMSELF EXCEPT IN
JESUS!
John4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true adorers shall adore the Father in spirit and in truth.
For the Father also seeketh such to adore him.
24God is a spirit;
and they that adore him, must adore him in
spirit and in truth.
PRECISELY Gene in
JESUS CHRIST
HE IS SPIRIT AND TRUTH!
YOU: It’s about time to hear the whole truth,
from an organization,
ME: Gene, GET THIS INTO YOUR CARNAL MIND and It’s about time to hear the whole truth!
WE ARE MORE THAN TWO THOUSAND YEARS FROM JESUS’ DEATH AS A
HUMAN BEING IN FLESH, WE DON’T WANT TO HEAR ABOUT JESUS AS HUMAN BEING ANYMORE SO THIS TRUTH MUST BE SPIRITUAL!
Now for God’s sake, read scripture:
1Corinthians 12 NOW concerning spiritual things, my brethren,
OK Gene, WHEN WILL YOU START LIVING IN CHRIST?
AND FORGET JESUS AS MAN! JESUS THE MAN DIED ONCE AND FOR ALL! KEEP ON READING:
I would not have you ignorant. 2You know that when you were heathens, you went to dumb idols, according as you were led.
3Wherefore I give you to understand,
that no man, speaking by the Spirit of God, saith Anathema to Jesus.
And no man can say the Lord Jesus,
but by the Holy Ghost.
NOT BY ANY CARNAL ORGANIZATION!
You: so that people can get rid of all the trash that false Christianity has preached and lied to us about over the last seventeen hundred years.
They are doing a great job, check it out and give me back what you think.
DO YOU THINK I SHALL TAKE YOUR WORD FOR IT, KNOWING YOUR MENTALITY STILL CARNALLY STAGNATED , WITH EVERY RESPECT?
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Wow, you really got me there. When I say the phrase “flat earth”, I do so with the assumption that people are smart enough to understand that I don’t mean flat like a piece of paper – let alone 2 dimensional. Yes, the earth has mountains and valleys and oceans, etc. It is not literally a flat 2D circle. I assumed that was a given.
Thank you. Now stop saying that only a flat earth is a circle as a circle is technically a two dimensional shape and neither the flat earth or globe is 2D as you have admitted. Both would look like a circle, but the globe looks that way from any angle, while the flat earth only looks circular when viewed directly above and from the exact center looking down.
Conclusion: Your no1 flat earth bible verse has failed miserably in proving your point because it equally and even more than that proves a globe.
Another successful debunk.
Thank you.
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