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Proclaimer: And Skiba would still be teaching the floating pizza if he had been vaccinated. Do you doubt that?
I find your cavalier comments about a good man’s death to be in very poor taste.Yes, he died. It should be a warning to you. I believe he had true faith in God, but was delusional as to his own scientific understanding of things. I think he is an example of what not to be. Same with that flat earther who took a rocket up into the atmosphere and was killed.
God allows men to make their own choices, but they have to live or die by them.
Says the guy who doesn’t know the difference between a circle and a ball. But back to the question…
It’s a fact. If you look at a cube at a certain angle, you will see a square. If you look at a ball from any angle, it is a circle. If you look at a circle from most angles, it doesn’t look like a circle.
The ball looks more times like a circle than any other shape.
In fact a cube is a 3D square and a sphere a 3D circle.
I have said before that your understanding lacks the extra dimension.
Even your orbit videos are done in 2D and this leaves out crucial information sometimes.
My posts keep disappearing after I edit them. I give up! Not rewriting them, lol
When you do long posts and lots of edits, it might get flagged as spammed after a while.
My advice is to allocate a question per post. This is also makes for a better discussion. Multiple posts are better than one large post that answers lots of questions. It’s hard to read a post like that.
I went through and saw three of your posts were the same. So I deleted two of them. I think this is what was putting the pagination out in this topic. It was two posts out of synch I think.
Hopefully this fixes the pagination issue in this topic going forward.
Mike….I never said I ever took Levermectin , what I said was I took a ZEEPACK , That is a five to seven day antibiotic series, Doctors give for sever flu infections, it contains no Levermectin. Mike please don’t misquote me brother.
Levermectin can do serious liver damage please don’t us it for COVID-19. Unless you are under a Doctors supervision.
peace and love to you and yours Mike………gene
Proclaimer: In fact the second picture is more a circle than than the first. Because a circle viewed from only two exact points show a perfect circle. A ball on the other hand is always circular from any angle. Boom!
From a site called “Elementary Math”… “a photograph of a ball may be circular, but the ball, itself, is not.”
Do you really suppose Isaiah was saying that God looks down on half of a ball, which appears as a circle to Him from His vantage point? Where is the “up” from which God looks “down”? Remember there is no “up” or “down” in the model to which you subscribe.
Let’s add this statement from Jesus, where he used the same word for circle that Isaiah did…
Proverbs 8:27-29… I was there when He established the heavens, when He inscribed a circle on the face of the deep, when He established the clouds above, when the fountains of the deep gushed forth, when He set a boundary for the sea, so that the waters would not surpass His command, when He set the foundations of the earth.
If the earth were a ball, what would it mean that God inscribed a circle on the face of the deep, created clouds “above” that circle, and set the foundations of the earth?
Walk me through those things in your model.
Proclaimer: I will give you an opportunity to provide a new verse that supports the flat earth but not a globe.
Let’s settle these two simple things first…
1. Is it clear from scripture that Isaiah knows the difference between a circle and a ball? Yes or No?
2. Did Isaiah say God looks down on a ball? Or on a circle? Which one?
Proclaimer: And yes, there is a tent around the earth. It is our beautiful God created atmosphere.
Please share a photo of another example of a spherical tent that Isaiah may have know about when he called the heaven tent. Also please explain how our atmosphere compares to the heaven/firmament taught in the Bible. And then, since we know that God created the firmament/heaven to separate the waters above from the waters below, explain what the waters above the firmament are in your model.
Proclaimer: But do you really know that Australia exists Mike.
Nope. I haven’t even verified that South Dakota exists. But here’s the difference… I have no valid reason to think that Australia and South Dakota don’t exist. On the other hand, I have many very valid reasons to think that we aren’t living on a ball that spins 1012 mph.
Proclaimer: Science cannot create an experiment to prove his existence. You can only know by looking at the odds and using common sense.
“Science” is investigation. It doesn’t “prove” things, or “create” things. It is the investigation into things – which reveals observational data. Then flawed human beings interpret that data within their own biases and worldviews. That’s why you’ll always have many different interpretations of the same exact data.
But yes, our God-given common sense tells us that we and our world were created for a purpose.
Do you really suppose Isaiah was saying that God looks down on half of a ball, which appears as a circle to Him from His vantage point? Where is the “up” from which God looks “down”? Remember there is no “up” or “down” in the model to which you subscribe.
Sorry, but this is nowhere near teaching a flat earth. For a start, you know that God can look from any vantage point in space and time.
When you look up, you know that God can see the whole circle that you can see from the ground. But we both know that God can see way more than that regardless of what shape thevearth is. This verse is not a flat earth verse. That notion is redicilous. This verse does fit the earth as a globe if you want to continie to use it in a scientific way which makes the no1 verse for a flat earth fall flat on its face.
We also see language like the sun going down for example and that doesn’t fit a flat earth from a scientific perspective, but fits the globe because from our perspective, the sun goes below the horizon. Whereas, the sun doesn’t go below the pizza base.
Many of these sort of sayings Mike, come from our perspective.
Nope. I haven’t even verified that South Dakota exists. But here’s the difference… I have no valid reason to think that Australia and South Dakota don’t exist. On the other hand, I have many very valid reasons to think that we aren’t living on a ball that spins 1012 mph.
Likewise, I have no valid reason for thinking the earth is not a sphere. Further, as crazy as you think Australia deniers may be, most people think the same about globe deniers. They think they are nuts.
I have realised that science is not for everyone just as art or music is not for everyone.
Science means knowledge. Conscience means With Knowledge because Con means With. Works in Spanish too.
When it says that knowledge shall increase, it means science will increase.
I realise not everyone can keep up and of course not all science / knowledge is actually true as well. Generally speaking knowledge has increased.
Our technology is proof of that.
I would also like to say that truth can be discovered through revelation and observation. I love truth, therefore I love to learn through observation and through God’s guidance.
And then, since we know that God created the firmament/heaven to separate the waters above from the waters below, explain what the waters above the firmament are in your model.
Empty space exists, but you deny it.
“He stretches out the north over empty space
The earth doesn’t hangs on anything because of gravity.
And hangs the earth on nothing.
Clouds are the waters above.
“He wraps up the waters in His clouds,
Mike, you have been well and truly roasted over this flat earth theory. Because it is one thing to be debunked, but quite another to not have the wisdom to see it. Seriously mate, just like you think Australia deniers are delusional, so it is that most people think Flat Earthers are delusional. But cults can turn even intelligent people into fools.
Mike we are traveling around the sun @ approximately 35,000 thousand miles an hour in one direction, and at 24 thousand miles per hour in another direction. We are really moving brother.
We in our orbit around the sun , is our circular path of approximately 307 million miles we complete in 365 days , means we are traveling at approximately 841, 000 miles a day, which means we are moving in direction around the sun at 35,00 miles per hour.
So in one direction we move at 24, ooo miles per hour and in another we are moving at 35,000 miles per hour. This can and is “easily” provable by almost anyone who has mathematical ability .
The reason large planets are round is because the larger they are, the more Gravitational pulls they have and therefore attract more space debris to them making them grow in size, to become the size they are now. Without spinning they would never have ever grown “EVENLY” in shape, to the sizes that they now are. And that includes this earth we live on right now.
Mike, there is so much evidence today the earth is indeed a round sphere, It’s really hard for me to understand that such highly intelligent person like you, have bought into the “flat earth” theory brother.peace and love to you and yours Mike……..gene
Cartoonist Michael Leunig has been axed from his prized position in The Age over an image on vaccination that stirred up controversy.
Proclaimer: Only the heliocentric globe model and consequential mathematics of this model can make 100% accurate predictions. It’s funny that what you believe is a lie makes 100% accurate predictions. Weird isn’t it.
Has a lie ever predicted or revealed the truth 100% of the time?
For those interested in truth over propaganda, please look into the Saros Cycle. From Wikipedia…
The saros is a period of 18 years, 11 days and 8 hours, that can be used to predict eclipses of the Sun and Moon. One saros period after an eclipse, the Sun, Earth, and Moon return to approximately the same relative geometry, a near straight line, and a nearly identical eclipse will occur…
The earliest discovered historical record of what is known as the saros is by Chaldean (neo-Babylonian) astronomers in the last several centuries BC.
Simply put, if I see a lunar eclipse from my balcony at 9 pm today (10-30-2021), then I will see the same exact eclipse from my same balcony in 18 years, 11 days, and 8 hours from now (11-11-2039 at 5 am). These cycles have likely been known since the time Adam and Eve were still living on earth, since they would have lived through 50 of them. But they are certainly known from historical records as far back as several hundreds years BC.
You can also look into the Antikythera Mechanism. Again, from Wiki…
The Antikythera mechanism is the oldest example of an analogue computer used to predict astronomical positions and eclipses decades in advance.
The instrument is believed to have been designed and constructed by Greek scientists and has been variously dated to about 87 BC, or between 150 and 100 BC, or to 205 BC.
So not only do we know that ancient flat earthers were accurately predicting eclipses hundreds of years before Jesus lived on the earth, but they even built complicated instruments to help them do so.
Now, if you go to NASA’s page on predicting eclipses, you’ll see, “Eclipse Predictions by Fred Espenak, NASA/GSFC Emeritus” at the bottom of the page. https://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/
If you dig into Fred Espenak, you’ll see that his eclipse predictions are based on the ancient Saros Cycle – and have absolutely nothing to do with a spinning ball orbiting the sun.
I’ve shared this info with Proclaimer before, but there are none so blind as those who willingly refuse to see. The bottom line is that thousands of years before anyone had the idiotic notion that we live on a spinning water ball, men who knew the earth was flat and stationary were predicting eclipses and knew exactly where each star would be in the sky at any given time decades before the event occurred.
That’s because God created a huge sky clock over His earth.
Genesis 1:14… And God said, “Let there be lights in the firmament to distinguish between the day and the night, and let them be signs to mark the seasons and days and years.”
Proclaimer: Pfizer had said its two-shot vaccine’s efficacy drops over time, citing a study that showed 84 per cent effectiveness from a peak of 96 per cent four months after a second dose.
A booster dose of the COVID-19 vaccine developed by Pfizer and German partner BioNTech restored efficacy to 95.6 per cent against the virus, including the Delta variant, data released by the companies from a large study shows.
I see. So the fox guarding the henhouse said everything is okay, and no chickens are in danger, huh? 😂🤣
And you can’t even read between their own lines and understand that they’re basically saying that the first two shots are worthless, so you’ll have to buy a third. And then what? A fourth? A fifth? I asked before but you didn’t answer…
What is your number? You say you’ve had 2 already. How many injections will you get before YOU say no more? Just curious.
In the meantime, here are 22 REAL scientific studies that expose the BS that Pfizer is pushing on you…
1) Gazit et al. out of Israel showed that “SARS-CoV-2-naïve vaccinees had a 13.06-fold increased risk for breakthrough infection with the Delta variant compared to those previously infected.”
2) Acharya et al. found “no significant difference in cycle threshold values between vaccinated and unvaccinated, asymptomatic and symptomatic groups infected with SARS-CoV-2 Delta.”
3) Riemersma et al. found “no difference in viral loads when comparing unvaccinated individuals to those who have vaccine “breakthrough” infections. Furthermore, individuals with vaccine breakthrough infections frequently test positive with viral loads consistent with the ability to shed infectious viruses.” Results indicate that “if vaccinated individuals become infected with the delta variant, they may be sources of SARS-CoV-2 transmission to others.” They reported “low Ct values (<25) in 212 of 310 fully vaccinated (68%) and 246 of 389 (63%) unvaccinated individuals. Testing a subset of these low-Ct samples revealed infectious SARS-CoV-2 in 15 of 17 specimens (88%) from unvaccinated individuals and 37 of 39 (95%) from vaccinated people.”
4) Chemaitelly et al. reported a Qatar study which showed that the vaccine efficacy (Pfizer) declined to near zero by 5 to 6-months and even immediate protection after one to two months were largely exaggerated.
5) A Siri reporting suggests that as high as 90% of hospitalizations in the US are among the vaccinated.
6) Riemersma et al. reported Wisconsin data that corroborate how the vaccinated individuals who get infected with the Delta variant can potentially (and are) transmit (ting) SARS-CoV-2 to others (potentially to the vaccinated and unvaccinated). They found an elevated viral load in the unvaccinated and vaccinated symptomatic persons (68% and 69% respectively, 158/232 and 156/225). This implied no difference between the vaccinated and unvaccinated in terms of carriage and transmission (symptomatic). Moreover, in the asymptomatic persons, they uncovered elevated viral loads (29% and 82% respectively) in the unvaccinated and the vaccinated respectively. This suggests that the vaccinated can be infected, harbour, cultivate, and transmit the virus readily and can be doing this unknowingly.
7) Subramanian reported that observed increases in COVID-19 are unrelated to levels of vaccination when they looked at 68 countries and 2947 counties in the United States. In other words, there is no clear discernable relationship (maybe a marginally positive association, where higher vaccination did not reduce the transmission).
8) Chau et al. (HCWs in Vietnam, Ho Chi Minh), looked at transmission of SARS-CoV-2 Delta variant among vaccinated healthcare workers in Vietnam, and their findings further ransacks the COVID-19 injection landscape and throws it into turmoil in terms of disastrous findings. 69 healthcare workers were tested positive for SARS-CoV-2. 62 participated in the clinical study. Researchers reported “23 complete-genome sequences were obtained. They all belonged to the Delta variant, and were phylogenetically distinct from the contemporary Delta variant sequences obtained from community transmission cases, suggestive of ongoing transmission between the workers. Viral loads of breakthrough Delta variant infection cases were 251 times higher than those of cases infected with old strains detected between March-April 2020”.
9) A CDC report by Brown in the MMWR (Barnstable, Massachusetts, July 2021) found that in 469 cases of COVID-19, there were 74% that occurred in fully vaccinated persons. “The vaccinated had on average more virus in their nose than the unvaccinated who were infected.”
10) Finland nosocomial hospital outbreak (spread among HCWs and patients): “In conclusion, this outbreak demonstrated that, despite full vaccination and universal masking of HCW, breakthrough infections by the Delta variant via symptomatic and asymptomatic HCW occurred, causing nosocomical infections.”
11) Israel nosocomial hospital outbreak (also spread among HCWs and patients) both revealed that the PPE and masks were essentially ineffective in the healthcare setting. The index cases were usually fully vaccinated and most (if not all transmission) tended to occur between patients and staff who were masked and fully vaccinated, underscoring the high transmission of the Delta variant among vaccinated and masked persons.
12) UK’s Public Health England Report # 42 on page 23 raised serious concerns when it reported that “waning of the N antibody response over time and (iii) recent observations from UK Health Security Agency (UKHSA) surveillance data that N antibody levels appear to be lower in individuals who acquire infection following 2 doses of vaccination.”
13) This UK report #42 (Table 2, page 13), as well as those reports 36 to 41, show a pronounced and very troubling trend, which is that the double vaccinated persons are showing greater infection (per 100,000) than the unvaccinated, and especially in the older age groups e.g. 30 years and above.
14) CDC’s Director Rochelle Walensky admitted that the vaccines are not stopping transmission which is an admission limits vaccine effectiveness.
15) Levin et al. “conducted a 6-month longitudinal prospective study involving vaccinated health care workers who were tested monthly for the presence of anti-spike IgG and neutralizing antibodies”…they found that “six months after receipt of the second dose of the BNT162b2 vaccine, humoral response was substantially decreased, especially among men, among persons 65 years of age or older….”
16) 40% of local Covid-19 cases in Syracuse, New York, are in the vaccinated.
17) Israel: One leading Israeli health official reported that the vaccinated are accounting for 95% of severe and 90% of new hospitalizations for COVID-19.
18) Suthar et al. examined the durability of immune responses to the BNT162b2 mRNA vaccine. They “analyzed antibody responses to the homologous Wu strain as well as several variants of concern, including the emerging Mu (B.1.621) variant, and T cell responses in a subset of these volunteers at six months (day 210 post-primary vaccination) after the second dose…data demonstrate a substantial waning of antibody responses and T cell immunity to SARS-CoV-2 and its variants, at 6 months following the second immunization with the BNT162b2 vaccine.”
19) Nordström in Sweden report on their study which shows that (cohort comprised 842,974 pairs (N=1,684,958), including individuals vaccinated with 2 doses of ChAdOx1 nCoV-19, mRNA-1273, or BNT162b2, and matched unvaccinated individuals) “vaccine effectiveness of BNT162b2 against infection waned progressively from 92% (95% CI, 92-93, P<0·001) at day 15-30 to 47% (95% CI, 39-55, P<0·001) at day 121-180, and from day 211 and onwards no effectiveness could be detected (23%; 95% CI, -2-41, P=0·07).”
20) CDC Director Rochelle Walensky’s and Dr. Fauci’s call for boosters basically tells you all you needed to know, that the vaccine has failed to live up to its most elaborate promises.
21) Yahi et al. reported that “in the case of the Delta variant, neutralizing antibodies have a decreased affinity for the spike protein, whereas facilitating antibodies display a strikingly increased affinity. Thus, ADE [antibody dependent enhancement] may be a concern for people receiving vaccines based on the original Wuhan strain spike sequence (either mRNA or viral vectors).”
22) Israel is prepping for a 4th booster shot; it reveals that the vaccine has not to live up to its inflated promise.
In conclusion, many people want the vaccine and they should be free to accept it as individuals. The public benefit of universal vaccination is now is grave doubt, and, as such, should not be expected to contribute to eliminating the social cost of the virus, much less be mandated by governments
Proclaimer: My own case shows that vaccines work.
No it doesn’t. I haven’t changed anything in my life since this started, and I haven’t gotten Covid. Does that mean NOT masking and vaxxing works?
For those who don’t know, the Washington Post is a leftist propaganda rag that shocked everyone with this rare occurrence of honest reporting.
So Proclaimer, if 74% of the infections were among the vaxxed, then does the vax work? Oh that’s right, the vax doesn’t stop you from getting or spreading it – but it’ll keep you from getting seriously ill or dying, right?
Nope. More than 50% of the hospitalizations and deaths are now vaxxed people. You’ve been lied to for money and other nefarious reasons. Wake up.
Proclaimer: Yes, he died. It should be a warning to you.
What warning should I take from his death? Let’s see if you will be willing to follow your flippant comments to their inevitable demise.
Proclaimer: If you look at a circle from most angles, it doesn’t look like a circle.
But Isaiah told us the angle from which God was looking, right? He said from ABOVE, right? Of course that’s because, according to scripture, God’s rules from his throne which is ABOVE us. There is no such thing as “above” or “below” in your model. This is from Bible commentator Barnes…
The phrase ‘circle,’ here seems to be used in the same sense as the phrase orbis terrarum by the Latins; not as denoting a sphere, or not as implying that the earth was a globe, but that it was an extended plain surrounded by oceans and mighty waters. The globular form of the earth was then unknown; and the idea is, that God sat above this extended circle; and that the vast earth was beneath his feet.
Do you agree with the underlined part?
(Also, still waiting to see some photos of the globular tents that Isaiah may have been talking about. Thanks.)
Gene: Mike….I never said I ever took Levermectin , what I said was I took a ZEEPACK , That is a five to seven day antibiotic series, Doctors give for sever flu infections…
WebMD says that Z-Pak isn’t for viral infections like the flu.
Gene: Ivermectin can do serious liver damage please don’t us it for COVID-19. Unless you are under a Doctors supervision.
Ivermectin is a prescription drug – which means you have to be under a doctor’s supervision for them to prescribe it to you. And I wasn’t able to find anything about liver damage on WebMD…
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