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Carmel: YOU ARE A GENIUS WITH RESPECT TO YOUR CARNAL-MINDED REASONING!
Thanks. Of course, neither of us have any other reasoning with which to sort things out. You can CLAIM that you have some special “spiritual reasoning” on your side, but let’s face it… we are men with God-given common sense. Nothing more, nothing less.
Carnal reasoning is all that either of us have to offer.
Carmel: Mike, guess what I’m going to do!….
I WILL TAKE YOUR SUGGESTION FOR A CHANGE AND I ASK YOU:
FIND ANOTHER SCRIPTURE THAT PRODUCES ANOTHER SIMILAR STATEMENT LIKE
“GOD MADE/CREATED/FORMED/ESTABLISHED/FURNISHED,
THE EARTH AND THE HEAVEN”
You:
Okay…
Isaiah 45:18… For this is what the LORD says—
he who created the heavens,
Me: can you see the difference?
YES or NO
he is God; he who fashioned and made the earth, he founded it;
he did not create it to be empty,
KJV. …. he created it not in vain
(8414 [e] תֹ֥הוּ ṯō-hū
NASB Translation
chaos (1), confusion (1), desolation (1), emptiness (1), empty space (1), formless (2), futile (2), futile things (1), meaningless (2), meaningless arguments (1), nothing (2), waste (3), waste place (2).ME: A CLEAR REFERENCE TO GENESIS 1:2
Mike, WHETHER YOU ACCEPT IT OR NOT…..
GOD HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CHAOS… MENTIONED IN GENESIS 1:2
ANSWER PLEASE:
DID GOD CREATE THE CHAOS, CONFUSION, DESOLATION,EMPTINESS and
THE REST …….
OF GENESIS 1:2
YES or NO?
but formed it to be inhabited—
first in genesis 1:1 PERFECT, then
in Genesis 1:3-31 He fashioned and made the earth,
VERY GOOD
he says: “I am the LORD, and there is no other.
Mike,
I’ M AFRAID YOU ARE NOT EVEN
A GENIUS WITH RESPECT TO
YOUR CARNAL-MINDED REASONING!
Maybe I was not as clear, so here we go again!
FIND ANOTHER SCRIPTURE
THAT PRODUCES ANOTHER SIMILAR STATEMENT LIKE
“God made THE EARTH AND THE HEAVENS
God created THE EARTH AND THE HEAVENS
God formed THE EARTH AND THE HEAVENS
God established THE EARTH AND THE HEAVENS
God furnished THE EARTH AND THE HEAVENS
NOT
THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH!
CLEAR NOW?
JUST TO REMIND YOU ABOUT THE RELATIVE ARGUMENT, READ HEREUNDER
Genesis 2:4These are the generations of
the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God
made the earth and the heavens,
Then I asked you:
WHY IN THE SECOND PART OF THE VERSE IT SAYS
LORD GOD MADE THE EARTH AND THE HEAVENS and in the beginning of the verse it says
These are the GENERATIONS of the heavens and of the earth when they were CREATED,
NOW DO YOU ACCEPT THE FACT THAT
THE HEAVENLY HOSTS HAVE NO GENERATIONS?
YES or NO!
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Isaiah 65:17… For behold, I will create a new heaven and a new earth…
Isaiah 66:22… For as the new heaven and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me…
Do the words “create” and “make” mean that there will be TWO new heavens and TWO new earths, Carmel? Do those words mean that one of them will be PERFECT, while the other is only VERY GOOD? Do those words mean that one of the new heavens and earths will be destroyed by Satan?
Your arguments are bizarre, unscriptural, and – to put it plainly – nothing but nonsense.
Hi Mike,
Me: NOW, DID GOD THE FATHER, PERFECT, CREATE THE HEAVEN AND THE EARTH IN Genesis 1:1 PERFECT?
YES OR NO?
You: There was no heaven or earth in Gen 1:1 – perfect or otherwise.
ME: I NEVER ASKED YOU IF THERE WAS HEAVEN OR EARTH PERFECT OR OTHERWISE IN GENESIS 1:1
THE ABOVE IS NOT VALID AS AN ANSWER TO MY QUESTION!
NOW READ AGAIN AND RESPECT THE SCRIPTURE NOT YOUR STUBBORNNESS:
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
NOW ANSWER AGAIN PLEASE:
DID GOD THE FATHER, PERFECT,
CREATE THE HEAVEN AND THE EARTH IN Genesis 1:1
YES OR NO PLEASE!
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Carmel, NO! At the time of Gen 1:1-2, there was only water from which the heaven and earth would EVENTUALLY be formed. The act of creation begins in Gen 1:3 – with the creation of light and the 24-hour day. Heaven wasn’t created until day 2, and the earth wasn’t created until day 3.
Let me play the same nonsense with you…
Genesis 2:4… This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made them.
Carmel, was the vegetation of the earth PERFECT in Gen 2:4? Or VERY GOOD?
Which one please?
Hi Mike,
YOU; FOR PRETENDER, CARMEL, AND GENE…
Revelation 21:1… And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Is John calling the current earth on which we live the FIRST earth?
ME: DEFINITELY Mike!
NOW, WHY DID JOHN CALL OUR CURRENT CURSED EARTH THE FIRST EARTH?
AGAIN Mike, you are sinking, and you are simply searching even for a match floating in order to grab it and save yourself!
Mike just read what I posted not just ONCE but endless times, regarding the very first earth of Genesis 1:1
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HERE IT COMES Mr. Milk, WITH EVERY RESPECT.
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God CREATED the heavens and earth.
THE ABOVE IS A CLEAR REFERENCE BOTH TO THE HEAVENLY REALMS AND THE COSMOS,
BOTH TO THE SPIRITS AND THE PHYSICALS.
NOW THE ABOVE CREATION IS DEFINITELY AND ENTIRELY THE WORK OF GOD THE FATHER, John17:9 BY “THE WORD” JESUS, AS A SPIRIT, HENCE
ENTIRELY SPIRITUAL!
DESPITE THE FACT THAT THEY WERE ALSO THROUGHOUT COMPRESSED SPIRIT EMBODIMENTS, CARRIERS OF THE ENDLESS SPIRITS EMANATED FROM THE FATHER, THE ORIGIN OF ALL SPIRITS, BOTH AD INTRA IN RELATION TO THE DEITY, AND AD EXTRA IN RELATION TO ALL CREATURES, IN THIS CASE, THE HEAVENLY HOSTS AS ANGELS AND SO ON.
Mike, THE VERY FIRST EARTH WAS ENTIRELY SPIRITUAL, CREATED BY THE FATHER,
JOHN 17:9…..for they are thine.
DESPITE PHYSICAL!
NOT TANGIBLE LIKE
THIS FIRST CURSED WORLD!
NOT INHABITED BY HUMANS LIKE US FOR THE FIRST-EVER TIME IN
MORTAL CURSED FLESH AND BLOOD!
NO NOVELS!
NOW JUST ONE MORE CONCEPT!
AT THE VERY END GOD ALSO WILL CREATE
FOR THE FIRST-EVER TIME!
A NEW HEAVEN AND A NEW EARTH!
SO IT WOULD ALSO BE BOTH
THE FIRST AND THE LAST!
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God CREATED the heavens and earth.
THE ABOVE IS A CLEAR REFERENCE BOTH TO THE HEAVENLY REALMS AND THE COSMOS,
BOTH TO THE SPIRITS AND THE PHYSICALS.
Hi Carmel,
Where do You see SPIRITS in Genesis 1?
Hi Mike,
I DIDN’T QUITE GET THAT!
READ AGAIN AND RESPECT THE SCRIPTURE NOT YOUR STUBBORNNESS:
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
NOW ANSWER AGAIN PLEASE:
DO YOU MEAN THAT
GOD THE FATHER, PERFECT,
DID NOT CREATE THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH IN Genesis 1:1
YES OR NO PLEASE!
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Hi Berean,
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God CREATED the heavens and earth.
THE ABOVE IS A CLEAR REFERENCE BOTH TO THE HEAVENLY REALMS AND THE COSMOS,
BOTH TO THE SPIRITS AND THE PHYSICALS.
You: Hi Carmel,
Where do You see SPIRITS in Genesis 1?
ME: Berean,
DON’T TELL ME THAT YOU CANNOT SEE THE WORD
“GOD”
GOD IS A SPIRIT, OR MORE PRECISE,
THE ENTIRE SPIRITS WITHIN GOD BEFORE CREATION!
BY WHICH THE ENTIRE CREATION IS MADE THROUGHOUT BY
THE FATHER’S SPIRITS, BOTH AD EXTRA IN RELATION TO CREATION OUTSIDE OF GOD, AND AD INTRA IN RELATION TO THE DEITY WITHIN GOD.
Psalm 104: 29……….. thou shalt take away their breath,(SPIRIT) and they shall fail, and shall return to their dust.
30Thou shalt send forth thy spirit, and they shall be CREATED: and thou shalt renew the face of the earth.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
A reminder when Dan the Cameraman debunked Mike’s argument about my photo of Mt Ruapehu supposedly proving the earth was flat. Enjoy!
It’s a long video. So this video jumps you straight to one of the knockout punches.
Listen to Mike’s excuses that allow him to ignore facts.we are men with God-given common sense.
Common sense would stop a person from believing that the earth was a pepperoni pizza and lizard shapeshifters were hiding that from us.
Hi Carmel
The Bible tells us that God is a Spirit (John 4:24) but also a PERSON (Hebrews 1:3)
God was present at the time of creation according to Genesis 1, as well as HIS SPIRIT “(And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters”)BUT THE BIBLE(GENESIS1) DOES NOT TALK ABOUT “SPIRITS”
NOR SPIRITS OF GOD
YOU SAY:
THE ENTIRE SPIRITS WITHIN GOD BEFORE CREATION!ME: WHERE HAVE YOU SEEN THIS IN THE BIBLE?
Berean……scripture says there are “Seven Spirit’s ” of God that are befor the throne of God and these spirits go forth into all the earth. “God”, in all and through all”. How? By his “Seven Spirits”. Jesus has all of God the Father’s Spirits “IN” him,
That is what was speaking to the seven churches in revelations, it was not The man Jesus speaking those words to the Churches, remembercwhat Jesus said, “whosoever that has ears to hear let him hear what the “SPIRIT” says unto the Churches”. God who is “Spirit” was speaking through The “man” Jesus’ mouth, “HIS”, (GOD’S) “OWN” words, to the churches and also to us. Get it.? Those were not Jesus’ words, Jesus spoke but, God the Fathers words.
WHEN Jesus spoke these words “destory this temple and in three days, “I” (God the Father] Shall raise “it” up, that was God the Father speaking directly through Jesus’ mouth , what “HE” (God), would do to Jesus’ body which “HE” considered a temple “HE” was living “IN”. Those words were not from Jesus , but were the words of God the Father speaking throygh the mouth of Jesus.
“Now if the Spirit of Him that raised Jesus from the Dead dwell “In” you , “HE” (God the Father) who raised Christ from the dead will “also” quicken (bring to life) your mortal (dead) body, by that same Spirit that raised Jesus’s body.
And again, “KNOW YOU NOT THAT YOUR BODY, “IS” THE “TEMPLE” OF, THE LIVING GOD?” . Exactly the same, as it is and was for Jesus christ, by the exact same anointing Spirit.
Peace and love to you and yours Berean………..gene.
Hi Berean,
YOU SAY: THE ENTIRE SPIRITS WITHIN GOD BEFORE CREATION!
ME: WHERE HAVE YOU SEEN THIS IN THE BIBLE?
I SAID GOD IS A SPIRIT, OR MORE PRECISE,
THE ENTIRE SPIRITS WITHIN GOD BEFORE CREATION! ALL IN HIM! ALL BY HIN, and ALL FOR HIM!
WHEN YOU LOOK AT GOD BEFORE CREATION, YOU SEE
THE ENTIRE CREATION ALL IN GOD, ALL SPIRITS!
NOW THE SUBSTANCE AND ESSENCE OF GOD IS SPIRIT! NOTHING ELSE!
DO YOU AGREE?
YES OR NO?
IRENAEUS [130-202] . . .TAUGHT THAT THE WHOLE OF CREATION FLOWS FROM THE VERY
“SUBSTANCE OF GOD”
NOW THE ENTIRE CREATION OF THE HEAVENLY REALMS, BEFORE EARTH WAS CREATED, WERE AND ARE ONLY SPIRIT BEINGS IN VARIOUS STATES!
THE SUBSTANCE OF GOD!
THEY DON’T HAVE FLESH!
DO YOU AGREE?
YES OR NO?
ONLY JESUS CHRIST HAS A BODY GLORIFIED BOTH SPIRIT AND FLESH IN ONE INSTANT IN HEAVEN!
John 17:10 And all my things (HUMAN) are thine, and thine ( SPIRIT) are mine;
and I (ONLY) am glorified in THEM.
BOTH SPIRIT AND FLESH
NOW I ALSO SAID: BY WHICH THE ENTIRE CREATION IS MADE THROUGHOUT BY
THE FATHER’S SPIRITS, THE SUBSTANCE OF GOD!
BOTH AD EXTRA IN RELATION TO CREATION OUTSIDE OF GOD, AND
AD INTRA IN RELATION TO THE DEITY WITHIN GOD.
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God CREATED the heavens and earth.
THE ABOVE IS A CLEAR REFERENCE BOTH TO THE HEAVENLY REALMS AND THE COSMOS,
BOTH TO THE SPIRITS AND THE PHYSICALS.
ANSWER: WHAT WAS ADAM’S SUBSTANCE BEFORE SIN?
SINCE HE WAS IN THE IMAGE AND LIKENESS OF GOD!
Read and reflect!
Leviticus 17:10If any man whosoever of the house of Israel, and of the strangers that sojourn among them, eat blood, I will set my face against his soul, and will cut him off from among his people: 11Because the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you, that you may make atonement with it upon the altar for your souls, and the blood may be for an expiation of the soul. 12Therefore I have said to the children of Israel: No soul of you, nor of the strangers that sojourn among you, shall eat blood. 13Any man whosoever of the children of Israel, and of the strangers that sojourn among you, if by hunting or fowling, he take a wild beast or a bird, which is lawful to eat, let him pour out its blood, and cover it with earth.
14For the life of all flesh is in the blood: therefore I said to the children of Israel: You shall not eat the blood of any flesh at all, because the life of the flesh is in the blood, and whosoever eateth it, shall be cut off
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
ME: TOHU VA BOHU…
You: “Empty” and “void” are not inherently evil or chaotic words.
If your gas tank is “empty and void” and you have a long way to go, that’s bad. If your gas tank is “empty and void” when your car catches fire, that’s good.
ME: IN WHICH VERSION ONE CAN FIND THE ABOVE Mike, PLEASE?
HOW COME YOU PRODUCED YOUR OWN CORRUPTED WORLDLY WISDOM AND NOT
SCRIPTURAL INSTEAD?
tired of searching by any chance?
THE ABOVE GAS TANK REASONING DEBUNKED ALL YOUR OWN ARGUMENTS IN RELATION TO
TOHU VA BOHU WITHIN SCRIPTURE!
ALWAYS NEGATIVE!
Mike, THERE’S NO DOUBT THAT YOU ARE EXHAUSTED, and you just started TALKING ridiculous things, only to quench your thirst, considering we are discussing scripture, so there is no more to be said about it.
You are trying to force a point that simply doesn’t exist in scripture.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Hi Carmel
You: I SAID GOD IS A SPIRIT, OR MORE PRECISE,
THE ENTIRE SPIRITS WITHIN GOD BEFORE CREATION! ALL IN HIM! ALL BY HIN, and ALL FOR HIM!
WHEN YOU LOOK AT GOD BEFORE CREATION, YOU SEE
THE ENTIRE CREATION ALL IN GOD, ALL SPIRITS!
NOW THE SUBSTANCE AND ESSENCE OF GOD IS SPIRIT! NOTHING ELSE!
DO YOU AGREE?
YES OR NO?
Me : NO
THIS IS NOT BIBLICAL….
THIS IS SPIRITUALISM….
NOBODY KNOW WHAT IS THE SUBSTANCE AND ESSENCE OF GOD.
ALL THE SPIRITS ARE NOT IN GOD BEFORE CREATION.
And it has nothing to do with Genesis 1 and 2
Carmel: YOU ARE A GENIUS WITH RESPECT TO YOUR CARNAL-MINDED REASONING!
Flat Earth belief doesn’t fit this description.
NOBODY KNOW WHAT IS THE SUBSTANCE AND ESSENCE OF GOD.
God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.”
Besides this, we have had earthly fathers who disciplined us and we respected them. Shall we not much more be subject to the Father of spirits and live?
BUT THE BIBLE(GENESIS1) DOES NOT TALK ABOUT “SPIRITS” NOR SPIRITS OF GOD
But there are seven spirits of God.
Revelation 5:6
And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
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