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Hi G,
Yes the demons or unclean spirits can enter and reside in humans and even animals as Jesus showed with the pigs on the hillside.Nick.,……….Good you do understand that, now lets go a little further, what are these Spirits doing in the MIND of a PERSON or Animal? they are controlling it< How? By inducing their mental "COGNATES" (intellects) in those PHYSICAL Beings minds rather a man or a swine And why do they even want to be (IN) those Bodies in the first Place?, is it not becasue they have NO BODY of their OWN, is that not why they SEEK ONE to INDWELL?
That is also true with the SPIRIT of GOD , for the Spirit “EARNESTLY” desires us”, Spirits are not “BEINGS” they are (IT”S), and come in all kinds and types. Remember when Jesus said “for this “TYPE” only come out with Prayer and fasting” Spirits are everywhere They are aspects or attributes of life and we can let them in by simply sowing to them by allowing ourselves to entertain their kind we then are opening up the door for them and other like them to enter our minds.
We are told to seek GODS Spirit and even ASK for (IT)and by that we recieve into ourselves MIND influencing POWER of GODS Spiirt His (INTELLECTS) they way he thinks will also influence our minds Just as the Spirits of uncleanness will also drive our minds if we open up to them. NONE of these are “BEINGS, but aspects of there kind of life KNOWLEDGE that we can allow in and (IT) will affect our MINDS.
So we are told to “LET” this mind be in you that was also (IN) Christ Jesus our LORD” and again if the “SPIRIT” of Him that raised Christ Jesus our Lord is (IN) you “IT” also will Quicken you MORTAL (DEAD) BODY Now did you notice what Will quicken our MORTAL BODIES “IT” WILL> not (HE) will or She will, but “IT” will> Those (ITS are type and kinds of LIFE)> IMO
peace and love to you and yours Nick………………………………………………………….gene
Hi GB,
Why do you abandon the path of scriptural truth and try to lead us into your morass of intellectual justifications?Hi GB,
Yes they lack bodies and want to indwell men.
They are intelligent and could converse with Jesus.
They induce disease and injury and general disruption.
They can deceive and draw us into evil sinful behaviours.We are born indwelled with lusts and obedience to them conceives sin[jas]
Yes man was designed to hold the ONE Holy Spirit of God.
Jesus Christ came to heal and set men from from such domination
If the Spirit is given control of our mind we can attain to the mind of ChristGene,
You miss the forest for seeing the trees. Satan stirs up some robbers to victimize a store owner. Does the existence of the robbers mean that there is no Satan.
A demon stirs up cancer to victimize a child. Does the existence of cancer mean there is no demon.
An intelligent evil spirit uses a man's own internal desires to tempt him to lie in the name of God. Does the existence of the man's internal desires mean there is no evil intelligent resident of the spiritual realms?
Nick……….Have i not said over and over GOD was (IN) Jesus and many times God in (ALL) and Through (ALL) so yes brother i certainly know GOD who (IS) SPIRIT is (IN) ALL Who have His Spirit (IN) them. You should know by now i do know that. But the question is the THEY thing , what are the THEY thing in your mind are the PERSON like a HE or SHE or are they an (IT) which make a big difference. My difference as i see it is that a SPIRIT is a KIND or TYPE and NOT a complete PERSON but an aspect of a PERSON which induces Cognate thoughts in BODIES. Rather it be the Spirits of GOD or spirits of clean or unclean things, these are aspects of intellects. “So a man thinks so he or she is”, that is the result of Spirits working in their minds, Therefore it say let this mind be in you that was (IN) Christ Jesus our lord. I hope you are following this Nick and Kerwin.
Peace and love to you both………………………………….gene
Gene,
Jesus as well as God live in those that believe via the holy spirit while those that believe live in both Jesus and God by the same spirit.
Satan, or one of his servants, does the same thing, except he dwells by an evil spirit, a spirit short of God's glory. Drive the unclean spirit out and you drive the demon out.
Satan or one of his demons will tempt you and knowing that grants you the ability to resist those external agents; so that they will go away.
Quote (kerwin @ April 28 2012,08:23) Gene, Jesus as well as God live in those that believe via the holy spirit while those that believe live in both Jesus and God by the same spirit.
Satan, or one of his servants, does the same thing, except he dwells by an evil spirit, a spirit short of God's glory. Drive the unclean spirit out and you drive the demon out.
Satan or one of his demons will tempt you and knowing that grants you the ability to resist those external agents; so that they will go away.
Kerwin………My point is that Satan is not a person with a kingdom of fellow persons called demons. The word Satan is “PERSONIFIED” just as Wisdom is personified as a she. And these are Spirits and are not persons even though they are “PERSONIFIED” as persons, Jesus even said GOD the FATHER, he spoke of in a Proverbial language or a “fictitious illustrations” , why do you think he said that to his disciples in the first place? I believe it was becasue they could only understand God the Father in a “Personification manner” they could not understand him in a SPIRIT context. God is (A) spirit He is a TYPE or KIND of SPIRIT and therefore can (INDWELL) his creation that WAY.“For the Spirit earnestly desires us” we are told, and again I stand at the door and knock. WE by “SEEKING GOD” are opening the DOOR of our HEARTS unto him , as it say I am found by those that diligently seek me all Spirit are found by those that seek them rather clean or unclean and when they come into our hearts they induce their life in us. Rather GOD or another type or kind of Spirit.
They all supply to our hearts and minds their influences , therefore Paul tells us to sow to the Spirit (of GOD) and you shall reap LIFE, sow to the Flesh and you shall reap death> WE attract into us the Spirits we desire and these Spirit (intellects) have alway existed outside of us all and can exist (IN) us all at any time.
So it behooves us to SOW to the right SPIRITS and let the right ones in and resist the wrong ones because these will control our thinking. Just as it says let this mind be (IN) you which was in Christ Jesus our lord and again if the spirit that was (N) Christ be (IN) you (IT) will also quicken you mortal body.
None of these spirit are beings they are what makes up LIFE and each is an aspect of very LIFE itself. IMO
peace and love to you and yours brother………………………..gene
Hi GB,
The Spirit of God is ONE.[1cor12. eph 4]
Satan exists, is powerful and and conversed with God in Job 1-2
Satan, the devil, the dragon, the serpent of old[rev12] will be cast into the fire[rev20]-how many witnesses do you need?Your speech is not of God on this matter.
Gene,
I believe you are aware that Jesus has a spirit which loves as God loves. God takes that spirit with his own Spirit and places it in a believer. This does not take away from either Jesus’ spirit or God’s but multiplies it instead.
A demon has a spirit, just like Jesus does; but it falls short of God’s glory. The demon uses that spirit to seek entrance; not physical, but spiritual; to a human being via both temptation and gains it if a person chooses to live by the evil spirit of the demon. That evil spirit is also the man’s as it is his guide. A person becomes demon owned when God hands them over to the spirit they choose to indulge in.
It is that demon that knows God and trembles out of the fear for it knows it is doomed. Like the spirit of Jesus the spirit of a demon can be in many people; which is why it is written:
2 Chronicles 18:21
King James Version (KJV)21And he said, I will go out, and be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And the Lord said, Thou shalt entice him, and thou shalt also prevail: go out, and do even so.
Believe you are tempted by an external forces and resist them; even as it is written:
James 4:7
King James Version (KJV)7Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
Kerwin………..The difference i see between us is that Demons in my view (ARE) Spirits, They are not “BEINGS” With SPIRITS in them. WE are LIVING SOULS , Beings that Spirits indwell, we are bodies With SPIRITS (IN) us. These Spirits give us cognate awareness. A single person can have many different Kind and types of Spirit (intellects) operating in him at one time driving his thoughts and hence his or her actions. Therefore we are told to “LET the SPIRIT that was (IN) Christ Jesus Be (IN) us”. And again for the Spirit of God EARNESTLY DESIRES US”, It is the exact same Spirit being mention there not a different one. Spirits can exist in everyone at the same time.
Kerwin scripture is full of Symbolism , Personifications, Parables, Proverbs (fictions illustrations) Many things can not be take “LITERALLY” that are written in scriptures. In fact becasue people do that is where so many different doctrines originate that we now have, Like Preexistences of Jesus, Trinity theologies, Souls still living after a person dies, and on and on it goes without end it seems, From one confusion to another. The language of Scripture is not always easy to understand and does take the “SPIRIT of TRUTH , to guide us into those Scripture truths we seek to understand.
Revelation by GOD the FATHER is a significant part of our learning , we will i believe alway be learning and growing in both GRACE (AND) KNOWLEDGE. No one has it all exactly perfect, except God The FATHER himself. IMO
My hope is we can all learn and grow together unto the unity of the FAITH , but we are also told that the greatest of the gifts is LOVE it is above all knowledge and has great favor with GOD and JESUS>
peace and love to you and yours brother…………………………………………………………gene
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 29 2012,06:47) Hi GB,
The Spirit of God is ONE.[1cor12. eph 4]
Satan exists, is powerful and and conversed with God in Job 1-2
Satan, the devil, the dragon, the serpent of old[rev12] will be cast into the fire[rev20]-how many witnesses do you need?Your speech is not of God on this matter.
Nick………..The Spirit”OF TRUTH” that give us COMFORT is ONE SPIRIT (Intellect) that is true, But there are SEVEN SPIRITS that composes (ONE) GOD. According to scriptures written in Revelation and others places also.peace and love to you and yours Nick…………………………gene
Hi GB,
The seven spirits[angels-heb1] are not ON the throne of God but IN FRONT OF IT.
Why do you prefer your ideas over scripture?Gene:
It is written:
James 2:19
King James Version (KJV)
19Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
A non-person personification does not believe and react by trembling.
Why do you believe this is written:
Ephesians 6:12
King James Version (KJV)12For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Kerwn………..Those ruler of darkness are men who are lead by evil Spirits working (IN) them , Just as all men and women have Spirits working (IN) them , it just depends on the type and kind that are (IN) them. Spirits form our intellects and they are what constitutes life it self. They give us cognate thoughts and are operating in all flesh they control Bodies of all KINDS and Types. Rather Fish, Fowl,Mammals and Man. Spirit never dies rather good or evil Spirits they never die. Both evil and Good Spirits are what life consists of.
Remember when Jesus Said The “WORD” i am telling you “ARE” Spirit (AND) LIFE. That is the description of what a spirit *IS). In fact it is what (ALL SPIRITS ARE)> they are all aspects of life becasue they each contribute to our cognate thoughts, and that is what our lives are. If you have a spirit of Jealousy in you (IT) produces that aspect of life n you, just as all spirits produce in every physical thing their particular LIFE they LIVE. Viewing Spirits wrong causes all kind of speculations in religion. It is the source of many false teachings in my IMO>
Kerwin if you concentrate on what Jesus said about Spirit being His WORDS and “ARE” LIFE. The key word there is (ARE LIFE) another words Spirits, (ARE) what Life (IS). This could make sense to you brother, It is not a difficult thing to understand and when you do many many scriptures will fall into place that you and others are struggling with Brother. It will remove the MYSTERY out of your understanding. IMO
peace and love to you and yours………………………………………gene
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