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OH, gotcha.
Rest assured that the Christadelphs that I have studied with believe that you must be born again.
In fact, all the Delph's I've had contact with believe this fundamental.Hi not3,
Then they should correct their leaders or shake the dust from their feet.
PS they deny Satan as well.Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 05 2008,10:18) Hi not3,
Then they should correct their leaders or shake the dust from their feet.
PS they deny Satan as well.
Yes, denying Satan is a point where I do not agree with them. We studied with them when I was in the Abrahamic Faith congregation. I lean more towards the COGAF congregation but even they have some weird ideas (don't we all)?
Nick………….They the Christadelphians do not deny Satan (adversarial Spirit) THEY DENY HIM A SEPARATE “BEING” GOING AROUND JUMPING IN AND OUT OF PEOPLE AS YOU SUPPOSE HE DOES. Satan is a term for anyone who is against GOD'S WILL and Purpose. It is a generic term and can be anyone, as Jesus called PETER and JUDAS and The Pharisees he called the Childern of the DEVIL or SATAN, all of these are to be understood as a Metaphor for an adversary (SPIRIT) or INTELLECT toward GOD and His purposes and nothing more. Mystery religion has made the word Satan a metaphysical being that does not really exist. IMO
peace and love to you and yours…………………..gene
Gene,
Scripture tells us Satan exists. Therefor I believe what God states and not what you or the Christodelphians state.
You may choose to believe what you may but God will hold you accountable for your choices both evil and good.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 16 2010,06:29) G,
Your wierd theories carry no spiritual weight.
Nick……….What is weird, is your belief that there is a real Satan Being that goes around, Going in and out of People , now that is Weird. IMOpeace and love…………………..gene
Quote (kerwin @ May 16 2010,07:29) Gene, Scripture tells us Satan exists. Therefor I believe what God states and not what you or the Christodelphians state.
You may choose to believe what you may but God will hold you accountable for your choices both evil and good.
Scripture tells us that satan was crushed under the feet of the Roman Christians (Rom. 16:20).Satan is not operating in the world today but has been cast into the lake of fire.
thinker
Hi,
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Forum,The Christadelphians are great people, very sincere in what they believe and well studied in the scripture. I have had long dialogue with them on the BTDF site and learned quite a bit.
All in all the CA's treated me quite well on their site for 2 years, I was eventually placed on “moderation” by them because of my discussion of the Urantia Book….rather Insistently I must admit.
It is my opinion and the conclusion of others that have encountered the CA's that their doctrine is “pre-conceived” and forced into the Bible in a mind boggling fashion. While they read the scripture they unknowingly translate the meaning of the words into ideas that are not apparent to a common reading. They use “context” as a kind of flux to pound square pegs into round holes.
Some key things that I concluded from them:
* The “beast of the felid” was just a smart animal like a parrot, he was not a supernatural tempter
* That there is no heaven, men will be resurrected on earth.
* That man has no eternal soul.
* That Satan is synonymous with “adversary”
* That Lucifer was a fancy king
* That the Transfiguration was a “vision” and not real
* That Enoch and Elijah were hidden away by God and did not go to heaven
* That Jesus is fully man in heaven
* That there is no literal “spiritual birth”
* That “the world of God made flesh” meant that Jesus was just an idea in Gods mind long ago
* That “demons” were just some sort of sickness and not volitional fallen angelic beings of some sort.
Other CA beliefs:
http://www.thechristadelphians.org/
Doctrines to be Rejected
Reject 1. That the Bible is only partly the work of inspiration–or if wholly so, contains errors which inspiration has allowed.
Reject 2. That God is three persons.
Reject 3. That the Son of God was co-eternal with the Father.
Reject 4. That Christ was born with a 'free life.'
Reject 5. That Christ's nature was immaculate.
Reject 6. That the Holy Spirit is a person distinct from the Father.
Reject 7. That man has an immortal soul.
Reject 8. That man consciously exists in death.
Reject 9. That the wicked will suffer eternal torture in hell.
Reject 10. That the righteous will ascend to the kingdoms beyond the skies when they die.
Reject 11. That the devil is a supernatural being.
Reject 12. That the Kingdom of God is 'the church.'
Reject 13. That the Gospel is the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ merely.
Reject 14. That Christ will not come till the close of the thousand years.
Reject 15. That the tribunal of Christ, when he comes, is not for judgement of saints, but merely to divide among them different degrees of reward.
Reject 16. That the resurrection is confined to the faithful.
Reject 17. That the dead rise in an immortal state.
Reject 18. That the subject-nations of the thousand years are immortal.
Reject 19. That the Law of Moses is binding on believers of the Gospel.Reject 20. That the observance of Sunday is a matter of duty.
Reject 21. That baby sprinkling is a doctrine of Scripture.Reject 22. That 'heathens,' idiots, pagans, and very young children will be saved.
Reject 23. That man can be saved by morality or sincerity, without the Gospel.
Reject 24. That the Gospel alone will save, without obedience to Christ's commandments.
Reject 25. That a man cannot believe without possessing the Spirit of God.
Reject 26. That men are predestined to salvation unconditionally.
Reject 27. That there is no sin in the flesh.
Reject 28. That Joseph was the actual father of Jesus.
Reject 29. That the earth will be destroyed.
Reject 30. That baptism is not necessary to salvation.
Reject 31. That a knowledge of the Truth is not necessary to make baptism valid.
Reject 32. That some meats are to be refused on the score of uncleanness.
Reject 33. That the English are the ten tribes of Israel, whose prosperity is a fulfillment of the promises made concerning Ephraim.
Reject 34. That marriage with an unbeliever is lawful.
Reject 35. That we are at liberty to serve in the army, or as police constables* , take part in politics, or recover debts by legal coercion.
* “or as police constables” was added in 1917.all
I have been kiked out of the forum of the Christadelphians ,careful even Satan disguised himself as an angel of light (truth)
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 24 2012,22:47) Hi T,
For carnal men they do study matters deeply.
But it seems they can never grasp spiritual truth
Nwhat you say is true ,but it is a double edge sword ,
do you understand this
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