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Question: How does one know Him that is true and that they are in Him that is True? By being in (soaked in) His Son Jesus Christ.
John 1:18
Greek interlinear New Testament – “Θεὸν οὐδεὶς ἑώρακεν πώποτε; μονογενὴς Θεὸς, ὁ ὢν εἰς τὸν κόλπον τοῦ Πατρὸς, ἐκεῖνος ἐξηγήσατο”. English translation ”God no one has seen ever yet; [the] only begotten God, the [One] being in the bosom of the Father, He has made [Him] known”.
Amplified Bible: – “No one has seen God [His essence, His divine nature] at any time; the [One and] only begotten God [that is, the unique Son] who is in the intimate presence of the Father, He has explained Him [and interpreted and revealed the awesome wonder of the Father].” (Amplified).
Tree of Life Version – Messianic – “No one has ever seen God; but the one and only God, in the Father’s embrace, has made Him known.”
Pilgrim,
There is no such thing as a begotten god, best you study out of the “AKJV Bible”
πωποτε ο μονογενης υιος = the only begotten Son
(AKJV Bible) “No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son,
which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.” (John 1:18)John 1:18 (Textus Receptus)
θεον ουδεις εωρακεν πωποτε ο μονογενης υιος ο ων εις τον κολπον του πατρος εκεινος εξηγησατο____________
God bless
Ed JEdj,
I use the KJV. The quotes were simply to show there are various translations of the Greek. I don’t need to change the words of scripture. I take them at their plain meaning under the inspiration of the Spirit who reveals the truth concerning God and the WORD. Those who read for the “WORD” in the first verses of John as meaning “Mind or Plan” of God and not the WORD as a person need to change the text to fit their theological starting point, thus reading scripture through their theological “spectacles”.
Chapter 1 is all about introducing us to the WORD, who He was and is, how he became flesh and blood and dwelt (tabernacled) among men as the Son and who was preceded by “the voice of one crying in the wilderness, ‘Make straight the way of Adonai,’”, (which phrase itself would indicate the arrival of Adonai in Christ). John Baptist was commissioned to prepare the way and introduce Jesus Christ in two central facets of his earthly ministry, as the “Lamb Of God who takes away the sin of the world” and the “baptiser with the Holy Spirit”.
Verse 18 announces how that this Son was seated in the most intimate of relationships with God, confirming him to be what is stated in the first verses of the chapter, the WORD which was WITH God and IS God, who was in the beginning, the one by whom all things were made (verses 3,10), and has a strong link with Elohim in Genesis 1 who in the beginning created the heavens and the earth.
In speaking of the Son being in the bosom of the Father the verse describes the unity of nature, and essence, between the Father and Son; their distinct personality and relationship.
The Syriac version here renders it, “the only begotten, God which is in the bosom of the Father”; clearly showing, that he is the only begotten, as he is God.
I don’t need to change the words of scripture
Chapter 1 is all about introducing us to the WORD, who He was and isHi Pilgrim,
You are indeed changing the words of Scripture – there is no “HE” mentioned in John 1:1.
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God bless
Ed Jthe WORD which was WITH God and IS God, who was in the beginning, the one by whom all things were made (verses 3,10), and has a strong link with Elohim in Genesis 1 who in the beginning created the heavens and the earth.
……………….“The Word” is God’s HolySpirit!
“And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.” (Gen 1:2)
Pilgrim. …..GOD AND “HIS” WORD ARE ONE AND THE SAME “being” Just as you and your words are with you and are one and the same being, “you”.
You have bought into one of the biggest lies. EVER Fostered in Christanity.
Jesus is ‘NOT” God never was and never will be. You can’t produce a single scripture where Jesus ever said he was GOD, NOT ONE.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
Hi Edj,
I am a bit disappointed with your response. If you had read my post correctly you would have noticed I never said the word “He” was in John 1:1, But it was in chapter 1. LightenUp is correct.
In regard to God being Spirit, Jesus said “God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in Spirit and in truth.” (John 4:24).
This in no way changes the fact that the Word is God, or that the Word became flesh. SPIRIT is the essential nature of God, no matter by what name he is called, whether Jehovah, Elohim, Father, Son or Holy Spirit. God is outside time, space and matter. He is uncreated. He created all these things. Heaven is his throne and earth his footstool.
LU……tell us, how does, a Spirit “become” flesh? Explain that to us please. Jesus told us God was a Spirit, and he said he was not a Spirit, even after he was resurected from the Grave. So how do you reconcile that with saying Jesus is God who is Spirit?
Spirit can and does “indwell” flesh, but never “is” flesh, as far as I can see written in scriptures.
Please read 1 Co 12:6-10, then come back and tell us how Jesus a flesh and blood man, is any different then “every man”, who is given these things by the “same Spirit” , mentioned there. Please notice where it says “word of wisdom” and the “word” of knowledge “, so is the word , Jesus had any different then what we have been given of God. It say it comes from the SPIRIT, and Jesus said GOD IS A SPIRIT.
Now if Jesus a human being, a Son of man as he said over and over, was given the word by the “same” Spirit, as we are given it, how does that make Jesus any different then we are?
Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene
LU……NO SCRIPTURE SAY GOD the Father, IS A SON. Thats an OXYMORON, NO scripture say God is outside of time either, that I know of.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
Hi All,
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through him, and without him nothing was made that was made. 4 In him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.
1 John 1:1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; 2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;)
The WORD of eternal life that was WITH the Father from the beginning was manifested, they saw it with their eyes when they saw Jesus Christ had risen from the dead receiving the promised Holy Spirit and eternal life. The WORD is Spirit and life, and the Spirit is life because of righteousness. Upon rising from the dead God’s WORD of Psalm 2 was made true in the flesh, the son of David was begotten by God receiving the Holy Spirit as was promised, He received righteousness upon him given for all eternity.
Don’t forget that the son of David sits on an eternal throne ACCORDING TO THE FLESH.
Titus 1:1 Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God’s elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness; 2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began; 3 But hath in due times manifested his word through preaching, which is committed unto me according to the commandment of God our Saviour;
Isaiah 45:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, 10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: 11 Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it. 12 Hearken unto me, ye stouthearted, that are far from righteousness: 13 I bring near my righteousness; it shall not be far off, and my salvation shall not tarry: and I will place salvation in Zion for Israel my glory.
WITH our One True God from the beginning was HIS WORD of Eternal Life and HIS WORD of a man who would COME and execute God’s purpose for mankind.
That man was called to righteousness, receiving the Holy Spirit, the Spirit that is life because of righteousness. The Spirit was upon him, God was directing all his ways so that he would not fail.
He died but was not deserving of death because he had been without sin, he had learned obedience being made perfect when he went to the cross, so God could not hold him to the penalty of death.
The son of David was raised from the dead becoming an eternal Son of God, a first begotten from the dead of many, God’s promise to be ALL IN ALL.
Hi All,
John 1 is about the anointing of a man who then becomes a light unto all people. The Spirit in the anointed Jesus makes him a light. When we see the anointed Jesus we see the Spirit of YHVH working in him, we see YHVH ALL IN him, the Spirit of Wisdom, Understanding, Council and Might, Knowledge and Fear of YHVH ALL IN him.
A man is anointed and then SENT TO EXECUTE our ONE TRUE GOD’S purpose to bring forth eternal life, a Son of Man promised to come to save that which was lost. Such was YHVH’s WORD FROM THE BEGINNING. Without this WORD of a man and eternal life, NOTHING would have been made that was made, all things that YHVH says that He made ALONE, by HIMSELF, He did it for this reason. YHVH said that He did not make the earth in vain but for it to be inhabited.
YHVH made man in His own image, knowing from the beginning that He needed to be ALL IN man in order to bring forth life eternal, for the Spirit is life because of righteousness. Because Jesus paid the penalty washing away our sin we are promised access to that same Spirit, promised to be heirs of God, joint heirs with Christ.
Paul tells us that the prophets spoke afore God’s word concerning His Son, whose Genesis came from being the son of David and then he became God’s eternal Son according to the Spirit by his resurrection from the dead. He was raised receiving the promised Holy Spirit, he was raised fulfilling Psalm 2, having been on that day begotten by God, given the Spirit all in him for all eternity, a first begotten of the dead.
Hi All,
recall the previous posted verses I gave from John 1, 1 John 1, Titus 1 and Isaiah 45 and apply,
Isaiah 11:1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: 2 And the Spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him,
Isaiah 42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my Spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles….6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles; 7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house. 8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
“give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles; 7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.”, sound familiar??….JOHN 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
The LIGHT in John 1 is the anointed Jesus, not some pre-existing light, but the very LIGHT according to YHVH’s WORD.
Isaiah 53:1 Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed? 2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. 3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. 4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. 5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. 11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. 12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
“He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows”, sound familiar??….JOHN 1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
He who CAME was the anointed Son of Man, and his own people rejected him. They did not believe he was the one of YHVH’s word to whom Moses spoke. They did not identify him as the man whom YHVH had promised He would raise up among his brethren for to be a prophet, where YHVH would put His WORD into this man’s mouth.
Many did not see him as John gave testimony, the one whom he saw receive the Spirit of God coming down like a dove, is he who is the Son of God. Many did not see him as Nathanael saw him, as the son of David of whom YHVH promised that He would be a Father to, who would be settled in God’s house and be given an eternal throne.
JOHN 1:49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.
Matthew 20:28 Even as the Son of man CAME not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.
John 17:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said,Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: 2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. 3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast SENT.
The ONLY TRUE GOD SENT, not just any Son of man into the world, but an ANOINTED Son of man into the world to save that which was lost. This anointed Son of man was the man whom was with God in God’s word from the beginning right alongside God’s word of eternal life that was likewise WITH God in His word from the beginning. A man who would one day come and execute God’s purpose for creating heaven and earth and man in the first place.
Jodi, I tell you, they just do not get it!, Their eyes have been darkened, by all the False teachings they have allowed into themselves over the years, they do not “love the truth”, therefore they suffer from a deluding spirit sent unto them from God, 2ths2, and do not even realize it.
Thank GOD the Father, there are a “few”, that do understand, A few, just a few, that have not participated in creating this , “false image” of our lord Jesus Christ, by turning a fellow human being into the “only” true God, himself. All “idolaters” , will have their part in the lake of fire, unless they repent.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene
Hi Gene,
No they certainly don’t do they, and their doctrines are just immersed in so much mystery.
Because God’s word connects to make perfect sense that is why I have faith in it that it is true.
They instead would like us to believe in doctrines that don’t add up with scripture, where their idea of faith is about believing unexplainable mysteries, so it seems.
Hi Edj,
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I am a bit disappointed with your response. If you had read my post correctly you would have noticed I never said the word “He” was in John 1:1, But it was in chapter 1. LightenUp is correct.
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In regard to God being Spirit, Jesus said “God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in Spirit and in truth.” (John 4:24).
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This in no way changes the fact that the Word is God, or that the Word became flesh. SPIRIT is the essential nature of God, no matter by what name he is called, whether Jehovah, Elohim, Father, Son or Holy Spirit. God is outside time, space and matter. He is uncreated. He created all these things. Heaven is his throne and earth his footstool.Hi Pilgrim
1) “Chapter 1 is all about introducing us to the WORD, who He was and is…” – Pilgrim
Sorry I must have misunderstood what you mean – As “The Word” is mentioned in John 1:1.
2) I’m glad you realize the HolySpirit (The Word) is God
3) “The Word” became flesh and dwelt among us at Jesus baptism with God’s HolySpirit
In the beginning the Word was with God, now the Word is with us as Jesus baptizes us with God’s HolySpirit
“the word of God (God’s HolySpirit) grew and multiplied” (Acts 12:24)
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God bless
Ed JGene,
You said this:
LU……NO SCRIPTURE SAY GOD the Father, IS A SON. Thats an OXYMORON, NO scripture say God is outside of time either, that I know of.
What post of mine are you referring to, I don’t believe that I said such a thing. Also, I don’t believe that I mentioned anything about the outside of time comment.
Hi all,
Gene’s lies for the sake of his corrupted CARNAL reasoning:
Gene said:
Jesus told us God was a Spirit, and
he said he was not a Spirit, even after he was resurrected from the Grave.
AS FAR AS I KNOW, There are no scriptures which says THAT JESUS SAID
HE IS NOT A SPIRIT, OR
HE IS A SPIRIT!
IN FACT, JESUS
ASSERTED AFTER HIS RESURRECTION,
THAT HE STILL HAD BOTH FLESH AND BONES, AND STILL
COMES FROM NOWHERE, AS HE SEEMS FIT.
Luke 24:and as they are speaking these things,
Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith to them, ‘Peace — to you;’
37and being amazed, and becoming affrighted, they were thinking themselves to see a spirit.
NOTICE THEY HAD TO CONCLUDE THAT JESUS WAS A SPIRIT SINCE THEY KNEW THAT HE WAS DEAD, AND HE STILL CAME FROM THIN AIR.
WHO HAD HEARD OF SUCH A
GLORIFIED BODY WITH A UNIQUE ATTRIBUTE THAT AT JESUS’ DISPOSITION, IN ONE INSTANT, IT COULD FUNCTION EITHER PHYSICALLY AND VISIBLY IN
FLESH OR INVISIBLE AS IN SPIRIT.
Luke 24:38And he said to them, ‘Why are ye troubled? and wherefore do reasonings come up in your hearts? 39see my hands and my feet, that I am he; handle me and see,
because A SPIRIT, (AN ORDINARY SPIRIT) hath not flesh and bones,
as ye see me having. ( WHILE STILL A SPIRIT)
IN THE ABOVE, JESUS CONFIRMS THAT HE POSSESSES A UNIQUE GLORIFIED BODY AT HIS DISPOSITION OF
BOTH SPIRIT AND FLESH. WHICH CONFIRMED WHAT HAPPENED ON HIS DEATH ON THE CROSS, AND IT WAS WELL PREDICTED BY JESUS INJohn13:31-32
Luke 24:40And having said this, he shewed to them the hands and the feet,
41and while they are not believing from the joy, and wondering, he said to them, (THEY STILL DIDN’T BELIEVE, THAT HE LOST NOTHING OF HIS FLESH DESPITE HE BECAME SPIRIT, DISSOLVED AND VANISHED AFTER A WHILE, THEN JESUS ASKED THEM)
‘Have ye anything here to eat?’ 42and they gave to him part of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb, 43and having taken, he did eat before them,
Gene: So how do you reconcile that with saying Jesus is God who is Spirit?
Spirit can and does “indwell” flesh, but never “is” flesh,
Gene forgot, that
JESUS ASSERTED THAT ALL POSSIBLE FOR GOD. a clear reference to
HIMSELF AFTER HIS GLORIFICATION:
THE FACT THAT
JESUS CHRIST IS
THE TRUE GODMAN ONE EARTH.
1John5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come. And he hath given us understanding that we may know the true God
and may be in his true Son.
This is the true God and life eternal.
AS HE WAS BEFORE THE WORLD WAS.
John6:61But Jesus, knowing in himself that his disciples murmured at this, said to them: Doth this scandalize you?
62 If then you shall see the Son of man ascend
up where he was before?
Gene: as far as I can see written in scriptures.
GENE STAGNATED IN HIS CARNAL MINDED REASONING CAN EITHER READ SCRIPTURE THROUGH AN OPTICAL ILLUSION OR ONLY INVENT SCRIPTURE.
POOR GENE!
I WONDER WHAT GENE COULD SEE REGARDING SPIRITS IN SCRIPTURES!
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Gene,
You said:
LU……tell us, how does, a Spirit “become” flesh? Explain that to us please. Jesus told us God was a Spirit, and he said he was not a Spirit, even after he was resurected from the Grave. So how do you reconcile that with saying Jesus is God who is Spirit?
Spirit can and does “indwell” flesh, but never “is” flesh, as far as I can see written in scriptures.
Please read 1 Co 12:6-10, then come back and tell us how Jesus a flesh and blood man, is any different then “every man”, who is given these things by the “same Spirit” , mentioned there. Please notice where it says “word of wisdom” and the “word” of knowledge “, so is the word , Jesus had any different then what we have been given of God. It say it comes from the SPIRIT, and Jesus said GOD IS A SPIRIT.
Now if Jesus a human being, a Son of man as he said over and over, was given the word by the “same” Spirit, as we are given it, how does that make Jesus any different then we are?
Do you mean how does the Son in spirit form become the Son in flesh form? If so, the Spirit of the Almighty God brought the Son and placed Him within the egg of Mary as I understand it. Jesus became flesh in body type at that moment and no longer in His heavenly form.
You ask how Jesus, a flesh and blood man, is any different than “every man,”…
The Son of God is the giver of gifts of the Spirit to man, apart from Jesus, man would not receive the gifts of the Spirit. That is a big difference. The Son had emptied Himself of whatever necessary in order to become an infant child, knowing nothing beyond what is common for a human baby to know. I liken it to amnesia…a person who knows everything who, because of amnesia, became a person who forgot everything. Little by little the Son grew in wisdom regaining what was forgotten when He voluntarily emptyied Himself in order to become flesh. That is how I understand it.
I hope that helps. LU
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